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I am way behind in planning and preparing. Been depressed for a long time. It’s storming and I wish I had my shit together. Grow on anons… grow on.From better times.
>>2862904this is the tomato i have decided to grow this year
>>2862907if it makes you feel any better i kept spraying my older seedlings and now they're wilting
>>2862909Just 1? I grow like 7 -8 kinds at least.Gotto have some diversity bruh
Bees knees.When I move them into the box I will try to take pictures of the process, maybe take a picture of the queen if she is not well hidden.
>>2862904https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iitVZM8Hpoo
>>2862960>all the appeal to authority in the commentsBoomers were a mistake
>>2862925I'm doing 15 kinds this year
>>2862925>>2862974i make tomato sauce out of my tomatoes. this year im growing roma, rio grande and early girl
>>2862974Supposing I'm too lazy to can tomatoes and mostly use them fresh and in stews, what would I even do with all of these?
>>2862977tomato souppasta sauceeat them with saltfresh tomato juice
>>2862982Sorry, I asked that completely wrong. What I mean is how do I decide which types and varieties I'd actually want? Currently I have some Cherokee purples, but only a couple plants as a test. Do I just grow the right tomatoes for my use case or is there some merit in growing some sweeter ones vs. more acidic ones for different things?
>>2862983last year i planted 24 better boy tomatoes and while they did great they all matured at the same time and i was kinda overwhelmed with tomatoes. so daysnto maturity is one metric. shape is another, taste, disease resistance and productivity are a couple more. determinant and indeterminate is another choice. just experiment with different varieties until you figure out a system. thats what i did
I know there are chili peppers enthusiasts here, and I think I remember someone mentioned piment de Bresse at some point. I got some seeds from my dad who lives there, but I am in Mediterranean climate so I'm concerned they won't do well in the summer. Should I try to put them in the shadow or will they be fine? I never planted pepper before, but I have to cover my tomatoes or they get burned by the sun
>>2863015peppers love the blazing sun, the less water you give them the hotter they are if u want a milder pepper give them more water. i would suggest sprouting them inside and let them grow a month before transplanting them outside
>>2863017This variety is from an area with a super humid climate, they never heard of blazing sun, that's why I'm wondering if it will work since it's basically the opposite here. I will just see what happens I guess, a friend also gave me some seeds of a super hot pepper that came from Colombia, they must be pretty old though so idk if they will sprout
I recently bought a place with a considerably sized back garden. Ive removed the pool and much of the paving with plans to expand the grass area. Theres a bore hooked up to the sprinkler system so water usage isnt an issue. Previous owners went hard on Balinese flora for some reason so im removing most of it for wood chip garden beds and native plants (Australia). The cooler shadier back of the garden I was going to reserve for fruit trees and vegetable planters. At some point ill put a pond in and probably convert one of the three (why) sheds into a chicken coop. Im still an amateur and only terraformed the front garden area so far. Any general advice for layout.
>>2862907I need to start some seeds but I just haven't bothered yet. At least it's not really warm here until May.
i just planted this. PNW coastal puget sound area. they'll come up in 45F and they like full sun. I've grown thousands of them, it's easily the most reliable and tasty form of protein i grow. and the first thing to go in the ground.
>>2863032what's your climate?
>>2862983i love Romas because they're versatile, they're great for anything. i use them mainly for making sauce. i also like Cherokee purple for a large slicing tomato. I've found a lot of the niche smaller varieties are mostly for novelty. everyone always buys a "yellow pear" tomatoe at first because it sounds cool while your standing at the nursery. they don't taste that great.
>>2863056It's funny you mention that because that's almost exactly what happened, except online. Sungolds popped up for me immediately and the earlier harvest seems great even if the taste qualities are exaggerated.
>>2863055Western Australia. Summers are brutally hot and dry 34-40 degrees with very high UV. Its Autumn now and its still 35 most days. Winters can bottom out to about 1 degree but are generally only get to around 15-18 during the day. The back of the garden is well shaded and the garden beds are completely full of ferns which ill keep around the fence line. I want to grow chilis, cucumbers and capsicums for pickling, tomatoes and herbs for cooking. Theres two large and productive naval orange trees and lemons and limes already that Ill keep and some green apple trees that are struggling a bit. Id like to put in some avocado trees. Main objective for this year is grass and opening up the garden beds for native flowing trees and attracting more birds to the garden. I was thinking of putting up shade cloth over the planter areas and expanding the buffalo grass to cover most of the open areas.
>>2863089>Theres two large and productive naval orange trees and lemons andyou should grow papaya, they will fruit their first year. also grow some mangos and figs
Have any of you ever setup a rain garden? Sounds like a neat idea
What's the space:food ratio for a hydroponic setup, how much can I get from one plant?
What are some "HECKING DO NOT PLANT!!!!" plants? Yeah I know the obvious like bamboo and knotweed, I mean useful or edible or pretty plants that grow quickly. I don't have the patience for shit like a japanese pine that grows 2 inches a year.I already have sunchokes but they've been kind of slow, probably because they're in thick clay. I'm going to move them this year to better soil. Gooseneck loosestrife is another "aggressive" I have that is barely growing.
>>2863132Houttuynia cordata
>>2863132I hear passion vines really take over
>>2863132the climbing plants I put along my front fence are doing so shit even though I am so nice to them.
>>2863132tree of heaven, empress tree (do not plant near house, will fuck up your foundation and your sewage/septic), chinese elm.
Trying for a third year to get my strawberries to come back. I haven't really looked at them yet (its still going to be too cold here in Ohio) but i found some everbearing plants at a hardware store that I'm starting to grow inside.Most of my garden is in raised beds, but the berries I have are going to be more on the ground (in larger metal raised beds)Has anyone had any luck growing them that way and coming back the next year after a harsh winter? Are there specific cultivars I should be growing instead?
>>2863181My advice is just skip the raised bed meme.
>>2863181They grow fine in the ground. Even if a few die they'll be replaced by clones the following season. I grow Albion, San Andreas, Seascape and Mara de Bois but I'm probably going to cull the Albion this yeart. 614
>>2863181i grew some from seed in a pot and it literally froze solid in the ice storm and theyre fine
>>2863181you could try alpine strawberries. they are much smaller than the domestic strawberries, but they tend to be able to survive harsher conditions.
>half of my order arrives from nursery>wait a week to see if the rest arrives>it doesn't>call them>they disabled the phones, too many calls>"we'll email you a tracking number when your order ships">i never got an email>"if your order is wrong or damaged you have to call us within 7 days"??????
>>2863207were you ordering something special?
>>2863209No, but it was a preorder so I've been waiting a while, and now they're out of stock.
>>2863214What a bunch of cunts.
any advice for separating two seedlings that came from one seed?pic rel, they're meyer's lemons I bought a little while ago, most of them sprouted into one seedling but this one is two for some reason.
>>2863218It's called polyembryony. The more vigorous of the two shoots is a clone of the mother plant
>>2863218My advice would have been pick them out very early while it's just a radical
>>2863220>>2863222is there any risk to repotting? Ive only done it with clumps around the roots, not clearing roots/separatingor since the taller one is likely the clone like you said, should I cut the smaller one? I dont want to since these two seem to be the most healthy of all of the seedlings that have sprouted so far
The broccoli seeds I collected from a flowering plant last year seem to sprout well. Here's hoping they grow as well as last year's plants.I've had some bad experiences with collected carrot and tomato seeds, yet I continue to be obsessed. At least the lettuce and herbs bring good seeds.
>>2863284ive had great luck saving seeds, they germinate much quicker. i havent tried tomato or broccoli yet but i save peppers, watermelon, winter squash, cantaloupe, black eyed peas and okra. i saved some seeds off some random onion seeds that popped up but cant remember what they are. i planted them and they all came up but we will see. i like to plant crossbred pepper seeds and sometimes they are awsome and sometimes they a produce few peppers or just die. might try to save tomato seeds this year.
>>2863286My Amish paste tomato seeds I saved from the year before last cross pollinated with a cherry tomato and made some trash grape tomato, so this year I bought pollen bags for my tomato’s to make sure that doesn’t happen. Brassicas will cross pollinate hard so if you’re saving seed from broccoli, cabbage, turnips, cauliflower, brussel sprouts at the time time they’ll get fucked. I’ll save the seed from my spring turnips this year and save the seed from my broccoli next year. When you save your tomato seeds you have to let them kind of ferment in a cup of water for a day or two to strip the slime layer off then you can dry them normally same for cucumbers
my pepper seeds are dead :(
What the fuck can I start planting in the UK around this time of year?
>>2863308cabbage, or any brassica. lettuce, onion carrot are all early crops. look at what people traditionally grew and ate in your country. here is a based documentary about how britain survived ww2 food shortages.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSxMUY_E07w&pp=ygUad2FydGltZSBraXRjaGVuIGFuZCBnYXJkZW4%3D
>>2862904bros i am having a little trouble with this years chili seedlings. it happened last year with some plants too. the germinate fine, then go into seedling stage and then are stuck there for months now. what am i doing wrong?temperature should be fine and i even use a grow lamp.
>>2863351Too wet?
>>2863351my peppers always kinda stall out also especially caribbean peppers. i plant mine in january to have them ready for spring
>>2863352that might be. i tend to do that. ill let them be for a while now>>2863364i started them on new years eve i think. some time in January.
>>2863368i have one of these "cripples" left from last year too btw which is just now full of peppers. so they do get there some day i just wonder why it happens.
>>2863368I'm not the most experienced but it seems like you have to water along with the root depth. It's OK to have the surface constantly moist when they're just emerging, but once there are actual roots you have to stop.
>>2863371that would explain why the ones in smaller pots do better. but i cant really replant them now. so i water em more i guess.
just thinned out my tomato seedlings, first time growing them from seed, and man they are stinky even as little babbies
>>2863383I like the smell of tomato terpenoids.
>>2862907With the double frosts here in Florida, all but my coffee plants died. You’ve still got some time left.
>>2863336really cool, thanks will give it a watch
I’ll be transplanting Turnips, red/yellow onions, broccoli, lettuce and arugula, And direct sowing peas and parsnips in 1-2 weeks under row covers. Garlics looking good.
redpill me on pawpaw
Would a pepper powder be good enough to stop the damn squirrels from eating my pecan seedlings?
>>2863501.22 is the most effective squirrel repelent
>>2863336https://youtu.be/OSxMUY_E07w?Fixed the AIDS tracking link fy
Can I just replant the stuff I get from the grocery store?Green onions are piss easy, but what about normal onions and garlic? I understand that things like carrots and celery are biennial.
>>2863529I had a white onion from the grocery store in one of the drawers in my fridge and forgot about it. Over a long time period, it started growing a stalk. So yeah, I think you could do that
>>2863529seeds are very cheap
>>2863530I read some stuff about different onion types and how it might not even make a bulb in my climate depending on the type.>>2863532I need to figure out how to start a bunch of seeds indoors.
>>2863533most vegetables just need moisture and heat and germinate very fast so you can just do them inside at room temp or outside with a lid or smth, some plants want like 80-90 degrees or sunlight or need to be chilled or need to be melted with acid but these are usually fruits or ornamentals, vegetables are very very easy as a rule
>>2863533>need to figure out how to start a bunch of seeds indoors.here is my ghetto setup. it works good though.
>>2863539Mine looks like this but I use a couple chairs instead of a bin.
>>2862904I'm about to go read the pastebin but I just got this and a few small pots, any comments or suggestions welcomed since it is my first time growing stuff.
>>2863544mint requires light to germinate, sow it on the surface and either don't cover it with dirt or sprinkle a tiny amount over top.carrots and turnips don't transplant very well so just direct sow them in the garden.lupine requires cold stratification, keep them in the fridge in a moist paper towel for at least 2-3 weeks. i think the butterfly flower also requires cold stratification but for a month or more.the passion flower are tropical and would benefit from a seed starting mat to keep them warm while they germinate.
>>2863546>the passion flower are tropicalThey have a pretty thick, pretty hard/brittle seed coat and may need to be scarified, in addition to needing 80+ degrees to germinate. They can take a seriously long time if you don't do anything to them.
>>2863546>>2863547I see, so put those in a ziploc bag in the fridge?Also yeah the turnips are going right on the soil, same with the carrots.Thanks for the help
>>2863549yeah, you can dilute a little hydrogen peroxide in a spray bottle with water and sprits it on the paper towel to keep it from getting mouldy if you want.
What's the oldest seed you've managed to grow?
For whatever reason, even though I sowed all my vegetable seeds at the same time, Cyclanthera pedata is miles ahead of everyone else and has 2 or 3 sets of leaves.
>>286355210 year old pepper/tomato seeds>>2863555i did a big dumb this year and started my hot peppers and tomatoes at the same time, now my tomatoes are like 3 inches and my peppers haven't even grown their true leaves yet.
>>2863468Get grafted varieties, wild fruit is hit and miss with mostly misses. Look into Peterson and KSU varieties. I'm planting 6 more this year
>>2863559Yeah same with mine. My peppers failed completely, but my Physalis are like... not even 1cm.
>>2863529>>2863530>>2863533Onions are also biennial plants. They rely on daylight hours to bulb up so if you had a long day onion in your short day climate it would never grow even it could grow the second year
>>286355210,000 year old date palm from King Ablakniha's tomb
its supposed to get down to 20f the next couple of nights, what are some ways i can protect my fruit trees, onions, garlic and cabbage?. i was going to put big 55gal trash bags over my fruit trees and cover the rest with tarps. i might put jars full of hot water around my trees also
>>2863626Shit, my blueberries are flowering. I don't want to lose them.
been moving one of my raised beds and when digging up the soil this little fella and a friend dug themselves out of the soil to glare at me
>>2863645He should be grateful you didn't eat him
Im still pulling up parsnips i overwintered
>>2859559>>2859361Thanks anon, I got 120 cm x 45 cm x 180 cm version and it's working quite wellWires are quite stiff and I got zero sag, also very useful for hanging lights
>>2863665i see this and i feel in my heart it's way too advanced for me but it's a fucking $10 metal shelf from amazon
>>2863665Damn, I have to finish my new setup already. The frame has been sitting in my room for a month, but I've been too dysfunctional to install the lights, lol. Picrel is my old setup (60 x 60 x 40 cm) that I'll move to an unheated garage, and use for seedlings that want less warmth.
>>2863670More like 70$ but mine is one of the largest variants with 5 shelvesIt's really simple to set up, get some lights, wire them into plugs, use some kind of highly sophisticated switching box like in picture and plug it into a power socket timer
>>2863756Also I strongly recommend this type of light where wires come out somewhere on top, not on side, takes significantly less space without a wire sticking out to one side, unless you want to daisy chain them I guess
>>2863822>Few tips:Don't start all seeds at the same time. Peppers will take much longer to germinate and grow than melons (~10 weeks versus ~4 weeks).Get the seedlings closer to the lights, either by lowering the fixture or raising the containers. They are leggy. Ideally, you want your seedlings to stand straight without support.Start slow-growing plants like peppers in small pots (or cell trays) and pot up as they grow. I think it's much easier to manage.Unless you have strong lights, use heat mats only for germination. Basically, you need an equilibrium of light and temperature. If you increase the temperature, but not the light, seedlings will try to find it by stretching towards the light source.
>>2863847Bitch, I spent like 15 minutes on the reply, and the post got deleted, lol.
>>2863214Demand they reimburse you or open a fraud claim against them if you used a credit card.
Any tips for growing wasabi, ginger, and mushrooms? I‘m looking to make use of an area on the side of the house that gets zero direct sunlight. Any other recommendations?
So you can use a battery to help grow a plant?
>>2863887Disappointing that it didn't grow some 18650s
Is it safe to plant outside yet?
>>2863964Depends on what you’re planting and your temperature lows for your area
>>2863964How are we supposed to know where you live and what you're planting?
>>2863965>>2863966East Coast US. We had a bad freeze the past few days but it's going back to the 50s at night after today. Surely that won't happen again in another week, right?
Fuck it we ball
>>2863964>>2863967Fuck, I'm in Georgia and my seeds just sprouted, I was getting hopeful.
>>2863967For summer plants, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, beans, squash, cucumbers, melons, that sort of stuff. Lows>55 Fahrenheit. If you’re growing peas, beats, brassicas, lettuce, cold hardy stuff youre already good to go
I don't even plant stuff until May here because we often still get snow in April.
>>2863982Third week of April is usually safe for me but I’ve had snow on May 8th… that fuken sucked.
i have created life in the desert. roughly 40 bags of compost manure later, and removing a ton of rocks by hand. i also checked the law and theres nothing saying i cant grow birdseed with some alfalfa. i even got some pumpkin sprouts going from where i smashed one a while ago. next season is when ill try growing some fun stuff. pioneer plants and whatnot
>>2863994my king the humble coneflower provides a great deal of small seeds for the finches
>>2863994Plant a Mesquite tree
>>2863982Holy fuck you actually post everywhere, don't you? You really love generals.
Added sweet potatoes to my collection, it's getting crowded here, I'm planning to utilize the entire space once I replant peppers and start watermelons
Poncirus trifoliata survived winter remarkably well, didn't even drop leaves despite -15 C frosts, really nice it's evergreen in my climate, I didn't expect something so closely related to citrus to be this cold hardy at all.
Is gardening going to be worth the cost this year when fertilizer cost end up soaring?
>>2864056There are a lot of hybrids with it with varying amounts of hardiness. Good dessert eating qualities are usually inversely proportional to hardiness, but crosses with kumquats can be continuously flowering and juicier if you want to use them green.
>>2864048???are you my assigned agent?
>>2864078gardening is a poor mans hobby, only consooooooomer retards make it expensive. all you really need is some dirt, seeds and water. if you need fertilizer use piss
>>2864078i was thinkin that too, but lowe's is still nearly the same price. 5lb bag of 10-10-10 is like $8 instead of like 6.50 a couple years ago. manure bags were like 1.89, now they're 2.59. i guess just be very selective and have a plan
>>2862904Behold my anona
>>2864130Cries in zone 7
>>2864131Pawpaws mein nigger
>>2864132Yup, already planted one. Although its supposed to be self fertile variety I'll probably add more in the future, but I'm short on space.
>>2863674>Damn, I have to finish my new setup already.And here it is. 60 x 60 x 160 cm. 5 levels. 450 W (18 x 25 W) of lights. It's so bright it doubles as room lighting, lol.
>Plant 4 strawberries 3 years ago>Have more strawberries than I could ever need nowI need to clean this up a bit but I have no idea what to do with them
>>2864140Neat, they also double as space heater once you run a lot of them, I'm currently running 250 watts of lights and the amount of heat they emit is noticeable
>>2864157They definitely need thinned. If you don't want to transplant them somewhere else in your yard just put em in a pot or trash bag by the street with a "free strawberry plants" sign
>>2862904>discord: https://discord.gg/TvN3Ed4Gehtranny discord
central florida, that hard freeze last month has really fucked up everything here. 25F, they said this was a 50-100 year cold snap, and it's depressing seeing everything I planted be so dead. anything green got killed, even the grass in everyone's lawns, and most non-native tropical/warmweather trees seem to have lost at minimum any branch thinner than an inch thickness. I have a few tree species that are showing signs of coming back out way down their branches, and few that I'm still nervously waiting on.as for palm trees, unless it was a native palm or a date palm, it's lost every frond and possibly completely died. there was so much stuff dead, you could smell it in the air for days after the cold snap anywhere you went. waste management has been running extra yard waste collection for weeks to try to keep up with the piles forming in everyone's lawns.some of my landscaping is growing back from the root at least, but its going to take years to get it back to where it was before this. shit sucks.
>>2864186i just copied the last thread, i'm not in the discord.>>2864078make your own (picrel)
>>2864078Theres so many easily available sources of fertilizer/Organic matter >Urine Mainly nitrogen >Animal bones Phosphorus, calcium >Wood ashes Potassium, trace minerals >Leaf mold Potassium >Animal manure NitrogenI have an equestrian center near me that has mountains of half composted horse manure for free. I shot a deer this year and turned its bones into bone meal, i collect my piss and charge charcoal and ashes from the fireplace with it, and or dilute and liquid fertilize with it, and I produce about 100 gallons worth of compost every year from garden waste, food scrap, yard waste. Thats enough to top dress all my vegetable beds.
>>2864200Just desserts for a climate change denying chud state that fights any pro environmental regulations
>>2864078I am looking really into bees so that I can get into dehydrated bee pollen and other stuff, but there are meliponines here so I don't have to deal with stings.
First time fig grower, planted this last year. I should prune all these suckers right, and can I take cuttings from these?
>>2864247Yes, cut them off, stick them into something well draining, keep it moist but not wet and put them in shade until they develop rootsI would leave one or two of them so I can replace this heavily leaning stem with it later though, leaves laying on or right over soil are susceptible to diseases and block airflow into centre
>>2864249Thanks for the reply, pruned them off, saved a few i liked. Cut under nodes and stuck them in a bag with moist peat moss for now
Will this grow light make the seeds sprout or am I fucking retarded?
I reburied my raised garlic bed in snow yesterday since it came uncovered during this week's melt, and there happened to be a big pile of snow next to it. I don't want the garlic thinking its time to wake up too soon.
>>2864281Is that towel even wet, looks dry
>>2864281any light should make a seed sprout, they really don't need full spectrum for sprouting.
>>2864281>>2864318Most seeds don't even need light to sprout, especially large seeds like those in the picture.
>>2864247All the red colored ones are dead I'm afraid. I would cut everything but the main branch off, then cut the main branch ~18 inches from the soil just above three outward facing buds
pollen
>>2864473this is a blue board, you can't talk about that here.
>>2862904I eyeballed some probably inorganic slow release fertilizer into my tomato starting pots should I be worried about it burning the seedlings and if so how or when should I remove the seeds
>>2864489you don't need to fertilize seeds or seedlings, wait till they get at least a few inches tall before you do that.
>>2864492Problem os I already incorporated it into the soil medium
>>2864475
currently germinating trinidad scorpions and carolina reapers on an old heating pad from the 90s but they havent done shit in three days. perhaps i am too retarded for this
>>2864540super hot peppers like that take several weeks if not a month+ to germinate, just keep it moist.
>trying to grow rare milkweed>packet said doesnt need stratification>still nothing after a week and half>now realizing maybe I put them too deep (an inch under) instead of surface sowingWell that was a waste of 10 bucks
>>2863887>bury a tomato slice with a dozen seeds>pierce center with battery>a single sprout shoots up in the center like it's the battery itself that growsThanks, I hate it.
I want to grow big tomatoes in my apartment, and recently picked up a deal on a grow lamp and tent. I have very little natural light in my apartment and I've never grown anything before. I'm also severely retarded. Could you please let me know if this plan sounds OK ? I really like really good tomatoes and I want to make them myself and enjoy them year round. >2x2x4 grow tent>full spectrum grow lamp, ~24" above seedlings>2x 7 gal fiber pot full of potting soil and perlite>trellis>fan on low>couple brandywine tomato seeds, bury them 1" deep in the center of each pot, keep them moist until they sprout>cull the weak seedlings after about 2 weeks>water only when dry>all-purpose fertilizer each week after 4 weeks >prune suckers, tie main stem to trellis>starting month 2, cal mag with every water, switch to bloom fertilizer, start hand-pollinating>month 3, water every day, start harvesting>start a new plant every 3 months, rotate themis this TOTALLY CRAZY???
>>2863887Holy fuck, call me Ted, because I hate AI
>managed to get an apple tree cutting to take root>currently only about 15cm/6" tall above the soil>this year it's putting out tiny flower budsShould I be removing these, or leaving it alone? I was wondering if taking them off would encourage it to focus more on growing instead.
>>2864663Sounds pretty good overall, will work well once you iron out the detailsalthough>full spectrum grow lamp, ~24" above seedlingsYou can put it much closer and run on lower power early on (f you can)>trellisI would advise tying them with flexible tomato string instead, it has a big advantage of being able to let down some of it to lower the main stem when it's about to reach the top, this can increase the useful life of it substantially >bury them 1" deep in the center of each potJust under the surface is fine too>prune suckersNot necessarily, if you feel like you have space for more stems leave one or two and let them grow, later when they are huge you can top off and use lower sucker as the new stem>cal mag with every water, switch to bloom fertilizerYou don't really need to, bloom fertilizer especially is just a marketing gimmick, as long as you pollinate them it'll have more flowers than it can feed >month 3, water every dayToo much water, it can cause them to crack and invite fungal diseases, watering a bit more is ok but this is just asking for trouble>start a new plant every 3 monthsYou can keep them alive for way longer than that if you manage suckers and new stems well, I have had 2 years old indoor tomato although that was slow growing type
>>2864247Winter hit that tree hard. What zone? What drainage on the pot?
>>2864132Is pawpaw neurotoxicity legit?>>2864133Plant 2.
>>2864499I'm hard
Spinach plants germinatedPlanted them outDisappeared Not eaten, no sign of snail trails, Disappeared
>>28648736-7. It was a harsh winter, I should’ve put them in the garage. The plants still alive and I cut it back like >>2864328said but it might just end up re growing from the root at this point. I have my main vegetable garden to worry about right now so I’ll just wait and see when and how it recovers
Are fruit trees worth it? Seems like a lot of time effort and money when the space could be given to something more productive.I'm still traumatized after buying a couple apple and pears and all them dying from some fungal shit.
>>2864874Yes but as far as I know you have to eat a ton of it for it to be a concern>>2864889God damn right they are, especially native stuff that doesn't really need spraying. If you want to try apples and pears again, look for more fireblight resistant varieties online. A lot of local nurseries might not have stuff that is preferable for your area. As far as productivity, look into fruit tree guilds
>>2864877>Disappeared >Not eaten, no sign of snail trails, Disappeared
>>2864891>Yes but as far as I know you have to eat a ton of it for it to be a concernYeah, but toxicity is toxicity and the way they're toxic is that it straight-up kills neurons. As much as I like the idea of native fruit, I don't like the idea of drooling and shitting myself. More than I already do, anyhow.
>>2864874Pretty sure the toxicity is linked to bitter compounds that the improved varieties select against anyway
>>2863529Potatoes from the store suck to grow. They're sorayed with an anti rooting hormone to get them to market, and thus they make stunted taters. However if you can be patient and grow those, you'll normal your yields back out.
Wage slaving has been especially shitty lately, but coming home and seeing my seeds sprout made me happy like work never could.Pic related are my maca seeds. Not sure if I can get them to harvest in Central Europe, but look at those things!
Last year all my veggies died and I gave up, this year I figured I'd try harder.
>>2865034What did they die of?
>>2863994>any port in a stormi made it through a week of 95Freedom temperatures and now we have tropical storm winds
>>286503931degree nights well past when we should have had frost kept coming. Squash bugs and cabbage moths got the rest.
Is no dig a meme? It sounds like you need to buy an huge amount of manure every year.
>>2865045>>2865041the duality of homegrown men
>>2862904gimme a good starting resource on gardening pl0xyes, i've checked the pastebin, it's a mess
>>2865069An incredibly vague question gets an incredibly vague response; youtube. What do you want to grow and where are you?
>>2865057Worse, it's a cult, it solves all of the gardening problems and if it doesn't live up to it's promises that means you are no digging wrong
>>2865089Yeah I started to feel that way, reading what redditors are writing about it (which is already a bad sign that they won't shut up about it)Even the relatively small 50sqm i'm cultivating calls for 2000 litres of compost every year depending on who you ask, it's not very believable that so many people are doing this as written.I guess I'll continue improving my soil as I am. Although, sowing rye/vetch over winter actually sounds pretty good.
>>2865089So you're saying it's a load of bullshit
>>2865057Yes/no? The practice of just letting the soil ecoystem sit undisturbed and adding material in from the top like happens in nature is definitely sound, and so is the idea of plant roots year round helping with cooling, water retention, etc. like you would get from mulch. The idea that it's absolutely superior is a meme the same as native plants. The correct takeaway is probably something like you shouldn't assume a bed is dead just because it hasn't been dug up or fertilized in a while, depending on whether there are the right plants there or at least some organic matter year round helping maintain it.It's very hard to accept that not digging is somehow beneficial if you have shitty soil that needs it real bad, but it stands to reason some of these lazy perennial/food forest plots somewhat cycle nutrients like they would in nature. Plants do piss out of their roots a cocktail of waste unique to them which is how they attract only certain bacteria to them, and a million generations of that dead bacteria does add organic matter, so there are useful concepts but it's retarded to think no-dig is a magic bullet.
>>2862907My goji berri plant survived the winter.Now it's growing nicely, time to repot it into a bigger one and put it outside when frost passes.
is anyone using dandelions for anything?im attempting some dandelion jelly and my pectin ratio isnt working as expected time for another batch.
>>2865102What are you supposed to do with goji berry? It's kind of gross. I have some growing in the corner somewhere
Any idea what this is? South florida. I have never seen it flower
>>2865120is that a ragweed
>>2865119>What are you supposed to do with goji berry?Dunno, I will figure that out once I get the berries.>I have some growing in the corner somewherehow and why?
>>2865057>you need to buy an huge amount of manure every year.Only for the first year, after that its the usual amount. Personally I haven't seen any noticeable improvement in plant yields or anything but covering the entire garden with cardboard did do a number of the local weed population, I haven't seen bindweed in years.
>>2865123I got it as a gift and tucked it away. I didn't like the taste much, but I don't have the heart to kill it. I am curious what you will do with the berries and will be looking for an update.
>>2865126Obviously I will try eating them raw.Then also sun dry them and see how that changes taste.Lastly I will try adding it to soups, supposedly it adds some kind of savory flavor or something.I don't much care for taste as long as it provides nutrients, as in some vitamins and health benefits. And supposedly it produces fruit well into cold times, so I could get some of that during a time where other things don't produce much of anything.Again it's more of an experiment.
>>2865120Ragweed
>>2865136I believe it's added to soup mainly for Chinese medicine (four humors) purposes. As I understand a lot of these other nightshades are more fruity/berry-like like black nightshade, litchi tomato, physalis, etc. but with a tomato taste mixed in and varying bitterness. Some of the more loved ones have improved varieties that take out as much off flavor as possible, but Goji berries are sold primarily on health claims and tradition so no one is scrambling to improve it. The temperate ones with significant improvements are generally Summer annuals and not widely grown, with the actual serious crops like lulos and tomate de arbol being restricted to the tropics.The closest thing to Goji berries that gets actual culinary use is probably European barberry, and that just stays on the branch all winter until picked. Viburnums like guelder-rose and nannyberry do this as well, although I have no idea where you'd get a nannyberry. Medlars are also grown for this timeframe but need to blet before they're any good to eat. IMO they all provide nutrients so selecting for taste is a luxury you have, especially at the individual variety level. I bought an Autumn olive for this same purpose, since I want to just eat it rather than process it.
>>2865121>>2865144Looks like I will destroy it
>>2865191artemisias actually look nice smell nice and are delicate to the touch, but yeah not my first choice for one
>>2865089It pales in comparison to the native plant cult
tips for growing potatoes from sprouts would not go unappreciated :)
>>2865222It's basically impossible to fuck up potatoes, just put them in the ground. Plant two weeks before your last frost date
>>2865223aye
>>2865159>Viburnums like guelder-rose and nannyberry do this as well>guelder-rose>The fruit is edible in small quantities, with a very bitter taste; it can be used to make jelly. It is however mildly toxic, and may cause vomiting or diarrhea if eaten in large amounts.[12] The ripe fruit is often ignored by birds and avoided by humans due to a foul smell emitted when crushed, described by some as "musty socks" or "urine and vomit".[13]why recommend this?
>>2865243Look it up under the name highbush cranberry and you'll see tons of people recommending it
>>2865259>>2865243Viburnum trilobum (American highbush cranberry) is actually palatable compared to the Guelder Rose
uh oh stinky
2 of my pepper plants getting big. Rest are a bit further behind but doing well, I had to start a second batch due to poor germination of the first ones. 11 varieties of petunias doing well. Geraniums way too big already. Starting tomatoes next week. 5 of my 12 lighting positions in use. Upper one is deliberately tilted due to difference in plant height and I didn't want to clear off one of he other 2 unused racks yet.
At least half of my yacóns rotted in storage overwinter, only one has any life signs
I built my wife a thing to smoke weed under.
what could be causing these holes in the leaves? is it getting too much sun or something? its a plum tree.
>>2865368Someone's eating your leaves
I don't know if I am overwatering or underwatering my basil, but some leaves are turning yellow. On the plus side, most of my other things seem to be going well
>>2865371Leaves near the bottom?
>>2865374yes, top ones still look quite green, but from about the lower middle they have different levels of yellowing.
This year's gonna be my big gorilla gardening year, I have some willow clippings that I'm rooting in water, gonna yank some sticks off the serviceberries and crabapple in my area and plant then in the woods in our hiking trail when I finally get them to root.We have native serviceberry but their production is so ridiculously low it's not worth it, plus they grow naturally tall and spindly so there's no way to reach said berries without a ladder, but they have ones in our city planted that have massive production and are relatively short. Free trees, just yank some heel cuttings EZPZ.
>>2863132A lot of herbs, if they manage to escape the pot they'll take over. Mint is our primary weed and it just grows back whenever it's pulled up.
>>2863181I wouldn't skip the raised bed meme, everything eats strawberries. I'd be more focused on thinking of ways for them to not get eaten by infinite pests and bugs.Actually maybe raising the bed just makes the strawberries more visible, I don't know. Ours always get eaten when they're just starting to turn pink.
>>2865376Sounds like overwatering
>>2865390That's because you're not pulling it up. Mints, marjorams, monardas, etc. grow a thin whip-like rhizome underground which technically is a stem and has nodes, so it can root and form new plants freely. Even just a leftover piece of it can do this. They're a clonal colony plant like blackberries or bamboo. Stuff like sage and basil, despite being in the mint family, don't grow one and are much easier to control. Underground structures are determined at the species level so you can find some relatives that do it and some that don't.
>>2865395I figured, but sometimes it looks a bit dry compared to everything else.
>>2865397Is it in a pot? It's very easy to overwater in a pot, probably the #1 beginner mistake. Growth will also pretty much halt when you do this.
>>2865401it is in a pot, let me see if I can get a good pic of it. I am the one who posted a while ago about some seeds I got >>2863544And everything is growing fine (except the passion flower, I haven't planted those) Then I got a small potted strawberry and basil from the store, and the basil was doing well for a while but now it is doing that. I will lower the watering to see how it goes
>>2865402>basil from the store, and the basil was doing well for a while but now it is doing thatIt might be running low on nitrogen. So fertilize it. Or repot it, especially if you bought it in a supermarket, because those pots are super-crowded (you're meant to eat it, not grow it).
Zone 5a, what's the preferred way to start an in ground bed if I can't start one for two weeks? I switched to no till last year for my existing beds but let work and winter take over and haven't been out there since october. My plan is to dust off the rototiller and till in a lot of granular organic fertilizer, blood and bone, topped with compost then mulch. What can I add to kickstart the microbiome? Recommended first generation crops? I'm thinking bush squashes and bush beans, I have an extensive seed collection so recommend anything really.
>>2865432>>start an in ground bed>mfw raised garden bed fad tards will unironically refer to a veggie patch as an in ground bedYou are overthinking it, just till it, throw some compost in, optionally mulch and plant something you enjoy instead of thinking about a pile of soil as if it's your beloved relative that needs to be catered to at every step
>>2865433I have two raised beds in a large garden. Everyone I know calls their allotment/plot/patch/dirt/row a bed, and raised beds are so popular it seems necessary to specify. I'm just looking for suggestions for amending it and what might do well for the first generation. If it helps my native soil is relatively fertile but clay heavy not well draining. It's pretty silly to deny that cultivating your soil leads to healthier plants. I get that the redditors like it, but even farmers practice minimal soil disturbance. It obviously works.
>>2865362it pleases me, your censoring of unnecessary information pleases me.
>>2865435Yeah my yard was all clay backfill. I dug out rows, mixed in composted manure, and added some fertilizer and softener. Left it covered in mulch over the Winter to stew. The ground still seems pretty soft and the tomatoes and cucumbers took to it in only a couple of days. Normally I'm inundated with invasive youngias but they seem to have been replaced with almost exclusively lambsquarters.
>>2865432>>2865435Heres how I start a no till bed. First tarp off your area to under kill grass/weeds. Rototil compost/amendments in. Top dress with more compost and plant a cover crop mix of peas, oats, vetch. Chop and tarp kill the cover crop then plant the following season. You can skip the cover crop and plant right away that year, but the round of cover crops really sets the soil up. As for no till bed maintenance, broadfork to de compact, a pitchfork also works (just lifting the soil up a bit) top dress with amendments and compost, and work that into the top 1-2 inches with a hard rake or tilther, then plant. If you don’t have compaction issues you can skip the broadfork. As for kickstarting micro biome; aerated compost tea. All my beds are 30 inches wide as per the Elliot Coleman system. Which is compatible for tilthers, rototillers, rakes, seeders, row covers. If you want to get autistic about microbiology, soak transplants with aerated compost tea to get them on the roots then plant. I don’t waste my time with it, I just broadfork, ammend with fertilizer/compost then plant. I started no till 5 years ago and my beds are 100x better then when I rototilled everything. Theres a lot of videos on YouTube about how no till market gardeners make/flip beds, just copy them.
>>2865462What a simple process with no frills and most importantly not several rounds of tilling
>>2865482Agreed. Broadfork, fertilize/put compost down, rake, plant. Doesnt get simpler. I also count 1 round of tilling just to initially establish the bed.
I feel like I need to make thousands of tiny land mines and set them out for the voles.
>>2865462I just broadfork -> cardboard -> compost. I built a little 1x2m frame to stop the compost from eroding away before it settles that I just moved around but thats probably not necessary. Also I only put the amendments (bloodfish and bone or homemade bonemeal) into the compost layer. I have very successfully grown tomatoes just in the bare ground before though so depending on where you live you might have to do more to improve the base layer.
Giga-pruned my indoor grapefruit, basically cut back to where there were no leaves besides those sparse ones on the base.This thing really keeps taking off, it's the second time I've cut it back this winter and we're not even at the point where I can put it outside, so I just cut it way way back, hopefully it's good until next year.I'm ordering a calamansi now, which I'll get some graft cuttings from to use on my grapefruits so they'll actually produce something indoors. Maybe leave one original grapefruit branch just to see if it ever does anything.
>>2865391Mine did pretty well last year. 2 years ago we had squirrels and a groundhog having a feeding frenzy since the legs broke and it was still "raised' but essentially at eating height for them.The squirrels still get some but last year i didn't see the groundhog as often. I'm planning on redo-ing the area but with some netting around them this time to prevent anyone snacking on them.
>>2865435You the guy making mater’ threads on /pol/?
>>2865527>calamansiWhat's the point of this, as opposed to a kumquat or Japanese citrus or some poncirus hybrid you can just plant outside?
>>2865704I can't just plant any citrus outside in my area.
>>2865705Which is why he gave you several cold hardy citrus varieties comparable to calamansi
>>2865736>Cold hardy citrus varieties"Cold hardy" does not mean they can be grown everywhere, or that they grow the same way in pots (which many people have to grow citrus from)
>>2864130Finale anona
>>2865738What is your typical Winter minimum if you don't mind me asking? And to be clear I was asking more for like... the culinary purpose of Calamansi, since the others are more familiar to me. I keep seeing it around advertised as a genius foreign solution for cold hardiness but it's less hardy than a lot of traditional good varieties, so I was curious what the actual pros are as opposed to it just being a new product for buyfags to consoom.
>>2865744Basically it's similar to a lime with a little sweetness, locals where it grows basically use it like limes but you don't have to peel them and the flavor is good enough you can just eat them without cooking with them.>Winter minimumnew york
>>2865789I see. Yeah that's probably out of range, but it's closer than you might think. Yuzu can handle the single digits and poncirus can do in excess of -10, and cold hardy types are generally hybrids of one or the other. You have a kumquat cross, which are also a bit hardier. A lot of meme hybrids can do down to around 10. You could probably grow a Flying Dragon or Poncirus Plus, but those are 100% poncirus (i.e. bad).
>>2864876Uh yeah the female flower opening really got me going
>>2865191>>2865210Yeah, let it flower (if you aren't allergic) and cut it off before it goes to seed
>>2865789I know your pain, I wish I was able to grow citrus in ground here but only trifoliata survives winters
>>2865509cardboard? can you explain how and what for?
>>2865821Cardboard smothers and kills the grass and weeds and is easily composts.Best luck I’ve had was tossing some boxes down and covering them with leaves in the fall. Rake the leaves off in the spring and you’re good to go and the cardboard is gone.
>>2865821its a meme that is detrimental in the first year. i guess its supposed to kill the grass so they dont have to work their soil. google chaz garden to see what i mean
>>2865826Okay.
>>2865827
I need to build watering intuition for a plant I'm taking care of.It's a small-sized avocado tree planted in half-a-barrel as a pot. Soil seems to drain well, while still retaining some moisture.My guess is that even if the surface seems dry, the bottom of it could still be quite wet due to the size of the container So, how often would you say I should water it? As in big soak until it drains down the bottom.
>>2865844Just pick it up, you'll memorize wet and dry weight pretty fast
>>2865845Container too big to lift
Grass is very important.
>>2865849Is it? What does it do?
I love staring at my lil brosThere's a runt in the back with "tricotyledony".
Thoughts on gorilla gardening?I don't mean for moral reasons for anything, it's just that there's no cheap land near me.Our local cliff people throw trash off sold for 5k so buying land is sort of out of the question unless a great deal comes up, I don't think the city would like it if I spent 10k to buy a city plot and started just planting berry bushes right in their prime real estate instead of building a house.
>>2865861I think a gorilla would be a terrible gardener. We used a cousin of the gorilla to pick cotton for a while but that turned out disastrously.
>>2865863That settles it, I'm buying a city plot and using it solely to farm.
>>2865844>>2865848Cheap analog moisture meters sort of work as long as you understand it's limitationsIt measures conductivity so it's heavily affected not just by moisture but also fertilizer, dissolved salts increase conductivity so when you have fertilizer poor soil it can go from 4 wet to 2 dry but fertilize it heavily and it'll be going something like 10 wet to 5 dry, it's kind of nice tho because it gives rough estimate of soil fertility once you understand how it behaves in given soilSoil type also matters, clay has high conductivity for example so given the same moisture and salts it'll read significantly higher than potting soilAlso don't just leave it in soil for weeks, a few hours or a day is fine but when it sits in soil less noble slowly electrodes and you'll have to clean it with vinegar or citric acid later to make it work again
Up potted the petunias today which doubled the number of trays. Down to 4 open spots on my grow rack. Started my tomatoes this week.
I only just now realized how bad the drought is. I was over here trying not to overwater but everything kept getting shiny and wilted.
>>2865861Don't do it on state or federal land. I saw some guy right now in the guerilla community is getting into shit because he planted some berries in a national park.
>>2865844My first avocado tree died 5 years ago from heat stress and being water logged. I didn't know I had to drill holes into my barrel planter, I thought it was loose enough for water to naturally drain. I got a new one this year since I have money again and it's doing good.Get a spray bottle and only fill it with distilled water. Mist the leaves several times a day. If the leaves start drooping on a hot day, mist it more. If more misting doesn't help it's time to water.Younger trees can easily get heat stressed because they have less foliage to shade the soil and pot, and watering even more kills it even faster. Besides a moisture meter get a long digital thermometer and check soil temps. Avocados do well between 60-85 F. I had mine in full sun and the soil was already around 95F, so I moved it to partial shade only morning sunlight and double potted it using a grow bag and mulch for insulation and evaporative cooling.
>>2865956Lel, noted. There are all the local "garbage cliffs" in the good old days people threw trash off, and certain fruits really don't pull up any soil contaminants, so I have plenty of options.But actually I just submitted a lowball offer for a plot of land that's been on the market for a while, 8k for a 10k, and I'm hoping it goes through because it would solve some of this (city queers might still come after me for gardening, but it's right next to the park so I would hope not)
my tomatoes are in these little pots and are about as big as pic rel, just getting their actual leaves after their firstroots are starting to come out out of the pot at the bottom, should i transfer them to a bigger pot already despite them being like 5cm and barely having those secondary leaves or should i wait?
>>2865972I might let them go a bit bigger if the roots weren't coming out, but shouldn't be a problem to pot up
>>2865980alright, i think ill give them 1-2 days
Now I just need to wait. Mostly for the chance of late frost to pass and for it to fucking rain. Didn’t really rain (or snow) where I’m at at all this winter. It’s all a fuckin dust bowl.
>>2865999Rhubarb doesn’t see to mind, for now. Guess it’s rhubarb cake and rhubarb marmalade time soon. I’ve got some gardening book, that says rhubarb wine is the best fruit wine you can make but fucker doesn’t elaborate any further. Anyone got some good recipes for rhubarb wine?
>>2865962If you have the means you can cap off the contaminated soil with a layer of fill and then dump a bunch of woodchips to allow it to decompose into topsoil. Or just do raised beds
Fuck, my water system is leaking about 2 liters per hour somewhere before any valve, I knew I should have divided my mains it into sections, now I need to either excavate and seal off sections of it or blindly search entire system until I find it.I'll start by inspecting screw in connection points for 3/4 hose, those are most likely to leak imo, maybe I'll get lucky
>>2866001Alcohol is made from sugar so you need to add lots of sugar, hence why it's normally only from sugary juices like apple and grape. The process is basically to infuse the flavors out of it and ferment the resulting liquid. It's a lot like gardening in that the process is extremely straightforward and doesn't need to be explained, but simultaneously there is a lot of technical nuance to it and people are too lazy to explain.https://lovelygreens.com/rhubarb-wine-recipe/This is like the most bog standard recipe I could find with all the steps explained and the usual additives people like to do. They leave the rhubarb in sugar for a day to draw all of the water out of it, and this one boils it a bit to get all the flavor out.https://practicalselfreliance.com/rhubarb-wine/This one doesn't boil it but lets it keep going for several days and then rinses with more water. With actual fruits this cooking can change the taste a lot, but I'm not sure about rhubarb. And then they add a typical champagne yeast because that's what they all do.
>>2866001I seriously doubt pure rhubarb wine would be good, I would mix in something like bananas, apricots, peaches or apples in at least 1:1 ratio
>>2866001>that says rhubarb wine is the best fruit wine you can makeI think the author is full of shit but I'm ready to be proven wrong
>>2864238True
>>2866014> It's a lot like gardening in that the process is extremely straightforward and doesn't need to be explained, but simultaneously there is a lot of technical nuance to it I know. I’m familiar with the usual suspects (I grew up with apple orchards and thus apple wine/cider and I’m familiar with turning all kinds of stone fruits into Schnaps), but rhubarb doesn’t really fit into the usual >turn into juice>ferment>walaScheme. I guess I’ll give some randomRecipe a try, but I figured it’s worth a shot to ask around if that really is a common Anglo thing (the book I got it from is British) but I wouldn’t be surprised if >>2866016 is correct. Guess I’ll try and report back.
This year I'm growing a new type of squash in my garden. But it has a long growth time. Hope things work out.
A bird took a shit in one of my pepper sprouts and now it's dying. Also I suspect the same bird killed one of my pepper sprouts by pulling it.
Black tomatoes and black cherry tomatoes this year. I had six cherry tomato plants last year. Literally had pounds of cherry tomatoes.
Lemon cucumbers are great but the beetles love them too.
>>2865863LMFAO
>>2866020and what would that be
>>2866026Some weird orange one with a green inside.
>>2866036does it have a name?
I tried some seed starting mix and it ended up worse than plain potting soil and got really moldy. I don't think I'll be doing that again.
>>2866039Ayote Green apparently.
>>2866041I just use garden soil from a bag.
>>2866002Yeah that's certainly a plan, not my land but a bag of mulch is cheap and would be an easy way to whip up a berry patch.
>>2866018If I had to guess it's more of a flavoring thing, one of my cousins does a carrot wine and basically they're full of shit, rhubarb is just a flavoring and isn't really the primary thing you're fermenting, you still probably have to use grape juice for the best results.
got a light and a heater. I don't plan to actually use it any time soon. just testing the waters
>>2866055Fuck all that technology. I put my seeds in dirt and make them wet.
>>2866041I've had good luck with turface.
>>2866055whatcha growin? shrooms?
I kind of missed the optimal window to get started on my seeds this year (a lot going on), but I finally got around to it. Here's to a good season lads.
>>2862983Check the local extension office for publications on what has been polled to grow well.Failing that, check with the extension agent.
>>2863181Berries are tender in many ways.Do not plant berries in the same place for more than a couple years, because they are susceptible to so many vectors of fuckery.
>>2866085There is no optimum.
>>2866041Try out Al's gritty mix or his 5-1-1 mix.
>>2866090Maybe not, but I'm like a month late for some seeds. Anyhow, I'll still grow them. Here's to hoping it's a good year in terms of climate and especially the slow growing ones (like aji charapita) get to fruit.
>>2866092I get what you mean, now, so I can rephrase.Grow something. The ground cannot stay fallow or you will lose both discipline/habits and nutrition in the soil.If you miss a window and something fails, sew in a cover crop. Keep the ecosystem alive or you'll be losing soil structure.There's always the container cope, too.
I think I'm going to plant english ivy next to my ugly North wall, surely it can't be as bad as they say?
>>2866098Plant some mint and raspberries too. You won’t be sorry.
>>2866109bamboo is also very nice
>>2866125Fun story: the colony of Jamestown is basically just an archeological site. Colonial Jamestown is just a recreation, however, you can stop at the rebuilt glasshouse which is just yards from the original foundation and forge. One of the earliest examples of the Colombian exchange was bringing bamboo to Virginia as a fast growing resource. It completely went nuts and 400 years later it’s still growing along the banks of the James River.Plant some Kudzu.
Has anyone here grown Catha edulis or had any luck with procuring seeds? I’ve been trying and it seems like it used to be really easy to find on eBay but now it’s impossible to find anywhere
>>2863118I wanna do one of these, is it just dig out a part of the yard and get the right water-loving plants? I'm in Zone 6.
>>2863118Mosquito condos
>>2866125FUCK bamboo
>>2862904Glad I found this thread again. I thought it was in /an/ for some reason.
This is a potato beanIt makes an edible tater like tubervinesfixes nitrogenand makes edible beans>The plant's natural range is from southern Canada (including Ontario, Quebec, and New Brunswick) down through Florida and west as far as the border of Colorado.
>>2866162>native>edibleChecks both my boxes. Are they really aggressive like sunchokes?
>>2866154Honestly if you just aren't OCD about it and don't mind it taking a little time it's easy to kill.- Cut it all off- Wait for a growth period when the shoots turn into a stem- Just when the first leaves start appearing, repeat step 1Do that for 2-3 cycles and the bamboo dies. Trying to get all the rhizomes out of the ground is a pain in the ass and half the time you missed one or two so it just spreads again.
>>2866163it doesn't seem to be from what I'm reading as they're usually pollinated by leaf cutter bees >from the family Megachilidaeand they like it moist, so they're probably in the shade in moist valleys
>>2866162Interesting, never heard of it, what's the catch?
>when you need to rebuild an entire section of your garden to be a wall of razorblades as a clear "FUCK OFF" to bad neighbors
Planted kohlrabi early this year, I used to always plant it in May but I read it can survive light frost down to -3 C so I'm trying early planting this year, going to cover it with cloth if there is frost forecast just in caseAlso giving weed fabric another chance this year, I have a lot of it laying around and weeding was really annoying last year, especially under cucumber netting
The greenhouse is coming along nicely.
>>2866217Looks nicewhat's that in the back? kale?
>>2866217Why are the walls so FILTHY?
>>2866216Can I ask, how far do you set those netted frames into the ground to keep them sturdy?
>>2866219Kohlrabi. I grew kale in the greenhouse over the winter, but it went straight to flower once it warmed up. What you see is lamb's lettuce, oak leaf lettuce, butterhead lettuce, kohlrabi, more butterhead lettuce, and radishes. And St. John's wort that I'm starting in that pot.>>2866220That's a whitewash residue from last year.
>>2866221I use those 46x46mm anchors driven into soil, they go 45~50cm into soil depending on manufacturer, more than enough for plant netting but I wouldn't attach anything heavy without setting them in concrete
>>286627545mm square 180 cm tall wood post go into anchors secured by 4 screws, I always paint them with good outdoor paint to increase lifespan
>>2866276I see thanks. It gets pretty windy here at times and I'm not able to use concrete so I'll probably be best off sticking with an a-frame style design. They come up pretty rigid with some tension wires. Will grab some of those anchors, sounds nice to keep the wood out the ground
This is Haskap / Honey BerryIt is extremely cold hardyfixes nitrogenand can easily stool propagate through stem rooting or runners>Haskap berries (Lonicera caerulea), or honeyberries, are extremely cold-hardy plants that thrive in USDA Hardiness Zones 2 through 7, with some varieties surviving in Zone 1. They are best suited to northern climates but can grow in warmer zones (up to 8a) if given, partial shade and consistent moisture during hot summers. >>2866198probably doesn't make beans easy because lack of pollinators that bother with it, it does supposedly have good cultivars, but again, same problem
>>2866298>fixes nitrogenIt does not>runnersThey do not produce runners
>>2866162I just got and planted 4 tubers from a local hobbyist, somewhat pricy but I like trying new stuff
I built 5 40 gallon raised beds/planters after learning about soil temps and double potting.Black nursery pots in full sun were making soil 25F over ambient temp. So I spray painted them white. Still 20F over ambient. I double potted them with grow bags and mulch. Still 10F over ambient.My planters are now only getting soil 5-7F over ambient in full sun, which is partly due to the amount of compost I mixed into the soil to fill up the planters. Since the planter is sitting on pavers and lava rock and leaves air gaps at the bottom, it takes advantage of the stack effect in the Summer. Hot air rises out the top and pulls in cooler air in through the bottom like your attic air flow should work. In the winter I can drop in 1.5" foamboard insulation.
>>2866347>all of thatAnd what are you going to grow in them?
>>2866348I have them along my patio and added trellises to them so I can grow star jasmine to add afternoon shade and cover up the smell of dog shit from my neighbor's yard. Since the star jasmine will be growing along the trellis, it won't be shading the planter as much so I need to maximize temp control.They're prototypes to planters I'm going to build for my Meyer Lemon, Navel Orange, Glenn Mango, and Haas Avocado trees when they get too big to move under my patio. They can't be put in the ground because Houston soil is too clay heavy. When I do put them in the ground I've devised a way to create a microclimate to keep them warm during Freezes in pic related. I can make a solar water heater out of PVC or coiled copper tubes painted black connected to a barrel or tub. Through the thermosiphon effect the water will flow back and forth on it's own. If correctly sized it could keep a small area relatively warm and humid, without having to make a greenhouse.
>>2866163>>native>>edible>Checks both my boxes.Holy reddit>>2866198The reason they aren't common is because each tuber takes two seasons to develop and they have very small yields. It's not the next super crop that will revolutionize agriculture with ebin indigenous knowledge
>>2866349Oh that's nice, don't even have to put a heater in it.
>>2866315thank you for correcting me, i was going off of memory which is apparently shit>runners>Mounding: As new shoots emerge, mound a mixture of soil, compost, or mulch around the base of the stems, covering them halfway to encourage rooting on the nodes.>Growth Habit: Runners elongate (extend via stems) to cover ground, often sending out whips before developing density. Mounding plants grow in tight, compact forms, building density at the base rather than spreading outwards.I'm learing things, thanks for pointing out my stupid againbut yeah the stems will form roots from which you can propagate them>>2866372>The very first potatoes, cultivated in the Andean highlands thousands of years ago, were tiny, often no larger than a thumbnail, pea, or small cherry. These early, wild-type tubers were much smaller than modern varieties, which were slowly cultivated over millennia to become larger. all great things begin with selection
>>2866372Yeah bro growing things that I can eat that are already perfectly adapted to my area is reddit. Piss off nigger
The wacky quest to try and find land in my area to grow things on>Plot available for 10k>Owner is in canada and doesn't respond to anything (maybe if I offered him the FULL amount he would, but it's been on the market over 500 days and I'm not doing that)>Plot not available, just an old lot a convenience store burned down at>Was bought up for a too-high price by some guy who owns a gym halfway across the town who's fighting zoning guys to build another gym there and has been trying for years>Previously was owned by a dead guy so I had to follow the red herrings to find out who really owned it now>Plot owned by some guy who left to florida>Nobody has seen him for a decade>Plot owned by some guy who got it at a tax foreclosure auction>Massive slope, completely shaded by trees, neighbors throw garbage over cliff, nobody has built ANYTHING on that entire side of the road because of the slope>Still 5k>After that 5k I'd have to call in a treecutting company to cut the trees, and they haven't given me a quote yetI just want to spend thousands on garbage unbuildable land, why do they make it so hard?>>2866097>Container copeOur soil is so bad for this and I hate having to buy potting soil mixes but might start. The heavy clay just smothers everything and compresses instantly in a container.
some snack peppers (back row, bigger plants) and 7 pot primo superhots (front row) that I started back around mid-February and finished hardening off. >>2866162I got 3 of these tubers a couple of weeks ago and it's been so hard to resist digging them up every couple of days to see how they're growing. supposedly they're grown from the LSU cultivar, but it looks like that project was discontinued so long ago that I wonder if it really matters.I'm considering getting a couple of tubers with foliage from a local native nursery that I have a "membership" with (just a yearly dono that makes it cheaper, per plant), since the current tubers are from a suspicious rando on Etsy, but I know they're already growing fine. I'm just so hype cause these things look tasty and the plants look very nice
>>2866216I don’t know your zone, but in 6-7 I always transplant cold/spring crops out in late March under AG-30 row covers. Half circle supports with welded wire to make a row cover tunnel, like how market gardeners do.
>>2863132If it fits your climate, fragaria virginiana might be worth looking into. I've only seen flowers and no berries from mine since I planted it late last year, but it's easy to dig up runners and transplant them for spreading. You can also just guide them and clip, then let it grow in place.Maybe common garden types are just as easy, but I've never tried them and assume the native type enjoys the weather + requires less water. It's also easy to control the spread, since you can just compost runners, when compared to other shit like raspberries (cuz rhizomes) that are an absolute bitch to get rid of in my experience
>>2866388Do you have a thousand years to spare? Daddy why do we have to grow these plants after you die or we're not going in the will?>>2866404Reddit is obsessing over native plants and acting like they're the second coming of christ. I'm not saying don't grow them, just lower your expectations. It's a novelty plant, not actually that useful and it's certainly not going to feed you.
>>2866404Native is hard to precisely define since it's probably "native" to some niche microclimate from some faraway region you're not even in. You still have to take into account how it grows, what care it needs, and how productive it is. Even if you ignore those qualities now for a little dopamine hit, you're going to fall out of love later. I have a good mix of traditional crops, some native plants, and some obscure imports, and I think there's good stuff everywhere, but for eating purposes I cannot fathom why you would go hardline native. Right now I'm in shock at how fast my imported achocha is growing (about 5 feet tall and starting to flower WTF), how it's just ignoring the record-breaking Spring heat wave, and it's supposedly going to produce continuously in high amounts all year. I mean this is just nuts.Why would I look for a "technically edible" native cucumbers when something like this is out there? Why would I even humor native NA nightshades when I could grow tomatoes, eggplants, muricatums, physalis, etc.? There's a great argument to be made for something like maypops that have a considerable survival advantage, but then should Europeans not import and breed them as well when the advantages also apply over there? For ornamental trees and wildflowers and maybe some herbs I totally get it, the aesthetic and culinary qualities of some native plants are really good and relatively unexplored, but you can't seriously expect me to intentionally choose bad performers for my vegetable garden.Humans somewhat make their environment so plants with clearly superior qualities should be selected by us, shouldn't they? If it was a pressing survival issue or of financial importance, this native stuff would be dropped right away.
>>2866465yeah the whole business about "native" can become self defeating. i mean at this point, native just refers to a similar climate. southwest america's "native" plants are all from like greece, australia, iraq.and damn if it isnt impressive to see someone in phoenix growing a japanese maple
Just for fun, it would be neat to grow and eat camas some time.
where can i read up on planting and caring for plum trees?
>>2866490Just throw the pits outside they grow by themselves
>>2866497thats certainly been true for one of the plum trees in my garden, but i have another tree--tastiest fruits ive ever had--where the pits just never seemed to take. that tree is dying now and all my attempts at transplanting branches failed. i finally managed to get a handful of seeds to sprout doing the "overwinter in a fridge" thing and now im just scared to death of losing these little fellas. i just re-potted a couple ( including this one >>2865368 ) and was wondering if i need to do anything besides watering and adding nutrients every so often.
>>2866418I'm glad they're out there, I looked for awhile and didn't see anything easy to obtain or verify.almost everyone was sold out or discontinued.>>2866465>high altitude sub alpine bipolar extremesThe native raspberries produce,the 4 different strains I've tried, just dieTomatos outside? lol, no.Only in the greenhouseBrassica's? Same thing, and even then, it's just sad.I'm experimenting because I'm fucked and sharing what I'm coming across, not much else.If I had a nice climate for growing I wouldn't be fucked.
>>2866499>tree is dying now and all my attempts at transplanting branches failedtry t-budding it during mid summer (bud from your dying tree on a healthy new plum)alternative, try to graft bark alone (bark with living green cambium underneath), in theory it should heal, and in theory if next year you cut above it, new branch will start growing from this part of old tree bark, in theory it should be branch with dna of grafted barkif you understand what i mean
>>2866512thanks for the tip, anon. unfortunately im very much a beginner at all of this but i'll try both of those if i can. never heard of bark grafting before. sounds wild.
>>2866499Have you tried air-layering?
>>2866521no, though now that im reading about it, i think i might try that first. it seems a bit more beginner friendly. and it sounds like its about the right time of year to try it as well. cheers anon.
>>2865098>The idea that it's absolutely superior is a meme the same as native plants.What the fuck, how are native plants a meme?
>>2866524It's become more of a political ideology than anything based in reality. Native plants aren't better just because they're native. There are plenty of native plants that are pretty worthless ecologically speaking while there are exotics that provide benefits in the environments they've invaded. It's like no dig. Lazy faggots think they can plant natives and because they're "adapted to the local environment" they can sit back and do nothing and harvest brownie points for saving the ecosystem in their 1/4 acre plot in the middle of the suburbs. Or larping about poisoning lawns or whatever and then you find out they don't even own land.
>>2866527I see. That makes sense.
comfy start of weekend>dropped off car for brakes>car repair place only a mile down the road, took a stroll back home>no immediate other chores>weed>damn good weather except a bit too windy>just watering the backyard and watching the birds>steak defrostingso heres an update on growing bird seed and alfalfa. i know ive got a few sunflowers and some sort of millet. ive got a few mini corn plants too. anyone know what the flower thing is to the right of the sprinkler?
>>2866527was just gonna say the main personal benefit to native plants, especially flowers and native berry plants, is that theyre nearly indestructible and still pretty. 4 bucks a pot, perennial, reseed forever afterwards, and barely needs water so perfect for lazy fucks like me so i can dedicate my time to tending my veg instead of wasting my growshelf space, buying mid annual plugs from the garden store, or dividing whatever dumb ass meme bulbs every year. my neigbors bees also love those things, along with my nasturtiums and thunbergia. suck my ballz kikesalso>the retards itt that somehow actually know what's trendy on redditlmao @ your lives
>>2866532I suck at IDing but maybe some kind of brassica? rapeseed? some FB posts on google say that's in some bird seed mixes
>>2866524Because the native label is often extremely generous, it doesn't provide any actual advantages in the garden, and the disadvantages to invasives are unclear. People tend to use the term invasive to mean whatever negative thing they want, so it makes the opposite seem vaguely superior in any way people want to portray. It doesn't really measure anything at all.
>>2866537>>the retards itt that somehow actually know what's trendy on reddit>lmao @ your livesThe native plant movement has been metastasizing for several years now. It's been coopted by leftists into their decolonization movement and now they're infiltrating local goverments. You can't avoid them at this point.There are bills being proposed right now in some counties that will essentially establish a plant gestapo that can fine you if you are growing something on your property that they deem "invasive".>inb4 HURR THATS A GOOD THING!
>>2866544this is crazy cope for how often you browse redditYou have to go back.
Mangoes
>>2866557Animes!
You know what? I can kinda understand the japs with their cherry blossom autism! It’s just a fantastic feeling to stand under a tree in full bloom and listening to the buzzing of hundreds of not thousands of bees and bumblebees.
>>2866012I found the main leak but there must be one more, I'm down to losing 0.4 liter per hour now
>>2866421I could do something like that on my other field, how sturdy is it under strong wind though?
>>2866580I like the nips too… a proud ethnocentric people with some decent ideas on gardening… I just wish they weren’t all inbred mongrels.
>>2866580>It’s just a fantastic feeling to stand under a tree in full bloom and listening to the buzzing of hundreds of not thousands of bees and bumblebees.I literally achieved the same thing with apple trees. Small white and pink petals everywhere, bees doing their thing... the only downside is it starts maybe two weeks later, but you can get actually good tasting apples from it(the ones in supermarket are kinda trash)
>>2866593i would love to live in area with many peach orchards, apple trees are fine too, 20 minutes from me is european largest apple orchard (with some pears and cherries), it looks cool, they are lucky to live there and see it everyday, peach orchards must be beautiful to seethis winter raped peach trees and they were not blossoming
>>2866580I love this time of the year
>>2866593oh, you’re absolutely right. But it just occurred to me when under that cherry tree (which is considerably larger than my apple trees). Maybe the jap obsession has to do with the fact that cherry in bloom has virtually no leaves yet, making it 100% white, whereas apples already have some leaves when in bloom.
Got a plant with progressive leaf die-off.Could be root stress by over watering, could be salt sensitivity, could be a mineral deficiency or a bug of some kind.What do I triage first?
I hate these fuckers with every fiber of my being
>>2866608>cherry in bloom has virtually no leaves yet, making it 100% whitePrecisely why I like American Dogwood over Kousa
>>2866610
>>2866610They're why I gave up on citrus
>>2866001I’ve got some gardening book, that says rhubarb wine is the best fruit wine you can makerubarb is full of oxilates.Why would you want to eat that shit?
>>2866686>muh oxalatesso are greens like spinach and chard, beets, a bunch of nuts, pepper, 60% of common starches, etc. who cares unless you're a geriatric prone to kidney stones? what are you gonna do, eat lettuce all your life, you fucking faggot?
>>2866001I recommend "First Steps In Winemaking" by C.J.J Berry if you don't feel like sifting through piles of AI bullshit and 10 pages of preamble
>>2866001I've never actually tried these so can't say if they're any good or not, but if it helps, The Complete Guide to Self Sufficiency by John Seymour has a winemaking section that includes rhubarb wine amongst others:https://archive.org/details/TheCompleteBookOfSelfSufficiency_726/page/n191/mode/2up>Rhubarb wine>15 lbs (6.8kg) rhubarb>2 1/2 lbs (1.1kg) sugar>1 gallon (4.5 litres) water>yeast>Chop up the rhubarb, pour boiling water over it, and mash. Don't boil it any further. Leave it to soak until the next day, strain off your liquor and press the "fruit" to get as much out as you can. Stir in the sugar and bung in the yeast. Leave it to ferment, then rack it and bottle it.whether that seems legit or not is something I'll leave to anyone ITT with actual brewing experience
>>2866644Fuck you Stirnermite, I'm going to channel my German side of the family and go final solution on your entire species.
>>2864877did you at least germinate/grow them outdoors then plant them out?if you sprouted indoors, let them develop indoors, then planted them out immediately, I'm sorry. I start all my seeds indoors every year and if I even half-ass hardening off, then there's a 30% chance they disintegrate. same thing if I go from balcony to veg garden too fast, just less severe
>>2865462>>2865509why do people cope and pretend that broadforking isn't tilling/digging just for the sake of labeling shit "no dig"?t. someone who has always only broadforked before I even knew what this meme was because I have an allotment and I'm not buying a rototiller for 40 sq m and storing it in an apartment with a similar area
>>2866740You only do it once.
>>2866740Because you're not totally turning the soil over and destroying the mycorrhizal network, just loosening compaction and aerating it
Broadforking is a young man’s game. My shoulders can’t do that shit anymore.
I have never once tilled the earth, I just dig holes and put things in them.
>you should till your soil>my soil
>>2866740Because it's not tilth and doesn't disrupt the soil structure, you turboretard.
>>2866748When your soil quality improves over the years from not rotoraping the soil you can eventually stop broad forking altogether even with heavy clay soils
grass is dead and dormant and it's only hit 90 a few times. it made a valiant effort. i got a good amount of vegetative mulch out of it though, so next season should be easier than bare soil
>>2866817>grass is deadBrutal.
>>2866715>The Complete Guide to Self Sufficiency by John SeymourHeh. that's the guy I got the>the best fruit winestatement from, but apparently, the German translation is an incomplete Version.Guess I'll try that and report back at some point.>>2866709what's >the usual nutrients and a >Campden tablet? The usual nutrient yeast needs is sugar, and that's already in the recipe. I only got experience with apple and pear wine, and there you don't add any "nutrients". You might wanna add sulfur if you're finished to preserve it.
>>2866844>Campden tabletStandard winemaking equipment here in bongland at least, I believe it's just sulphur tablets in small doses.>the usual nutrientsThe book has a recipe on pg 32, or you can buy pre-mixed yeast nutrient. It's said to get a better and more consistent ferment, but personally I never bothered. Maybe if you're brewing at a larger scale it's a good idea.
>>2866527>>2866544Heh, I just saw some of this on a video about grass, that at the same time said growing (heavily selected) tomatoes is based even though you don't live in Peru.
Is there any reason I shouldn't grow spring ephemerals in my vegetable garden? It's empty until late May and I'm not growing potatos or other root crops.
>>2866844>the usual nutrientsNot sure about wine making, but we use yeast extract in our lab when growing yeast or E. coli. It's essentially everything the average cell needs to grow, from minerals to macronutrients. Apparently, you can buy that stuff for cooking over in burgerland, I haven't found any where I live.
>>2866762>Wait for some solid rain to come through and soften it up>Get out thereIt's that easy, I've tilled worse.>>2862904Dad always hated currants and shit-talked them, just bought 5 plants. I can't wait to gorilla plant these literally anywhere that's poorly mowed, I'm basically gonna make 100 of them and then use those 100 to take 10,000 cuttings and just plant them everywhere on my walks.>Why?Some of them will grow in full shade and they allegedly propagate extremely easy, so it doesn't have to be my land. The local parks are gonna be currant-bombed (like with plants, this is not a threat). I might even do it in front of the DMV.
>>2866891Some man just wanna see the world fruit I guess.
Why do no-till chads just stay winning 24/7?
>>286690080/20 theory. Minimal effort produces more results.
My bare root gooseberry went in a month ago and hasn't put out any leaves yet. Anyone got experience with these, know when to call it quits?It did say it's better to do at the start of dormancy but it was cheap so figured I'd give it a go.
>>2866920I planted mine in Winter and they do take a while to wake up, and even then the leaves stay small for a while. All of my transplants are struggling this year though because it hasn't rained in like 2 months.
>>2866922I see, cheers anon. The soil hasn't properly warmed yet here so might just be being impatient.Hope you have some good luck with your transplants.
>>2866922>it hasn't rained in like 2 months.Same here. Not a lot of snow in winter either. It's April and I'm watering my garden daily. That's not how it's supposed to be like (and not only because I can't install my new irrigation system since the shop i wanted to buy it from seems to have blacklisted me for no reason at all. I really need a new system, if shit continues like this, I need a water saving system instead of the huge sprinkler I had laying around).
>>2866920>When to call it quitsWhen it visibly starts rotting, just don't let it dry out and kill it for no reason. Cool weather can really slow things down.
Anyone ever do black raspberries from cuttings? What's the success rate gonna look like if I just take the cuttings now when they're just breaking dormancy, better to wait a month for fresh growth?>Go out>Cut up like 20 bushes make 100 cuttings>Put them in a big clear plastic tub with dirtMy aunt wants some and they don't grow in her area, but I don't want to dig up 100 plants. Better to just take cuttings I figure, and boom easy several hundred plants. You'd think it would be easy to find information on this stuff but chatgpt is the only source without hours-long youtube videos of people who never actually post their results.
>get my loganberry starts in the ground>transplant shock reeee>look up how to grow tobacco instead>environment too dry, not enough curing spaceREEEEE
>>2866978i suggest layeringreplant them in a different spot, close to each other, cut it to the ground because you need many fresh shoots from roots, you can already pick the ones with many promising shoots, let them grow till early august and then layer them with soil (pic) at this point you can count how many plants you will have IF THEY ROOTaugust is also the time to experiment with rooting cuttings, let bottom part root by upper method, and excessive part cut and try root it with some rooting hormone (you want intensive method with multiple cutting from one stem, you need rooting hormone) usually they show one plant per one stemso we mixing 2 methods, we are greedy, multiplying plants by 5the way you replant them will affect how much soil you will use for layering, i have no idea if you can do this in one row, or with multiple rows, and what gap between rows, it is on youno, i have no experience with it
>>2866705>you fucking faggot?imagine this being your reaction when somebody points out you are eating oxelate bombsbaffling.
>>2866978I haven't had much success trying to root cuttings. They do tip root incredibly easily, which is how they spread in the wild. Find a nice primocane, tip it so it produces multiple shoots, wait a few weeks and shove all those tips in the dirt
>>2866994>>2867001I just did a 5 mile walk in the city going in abandoned areas that I never did before and found a massive crop of them so I'm just gonna dig some of those up.Thank you lockport for not taking care of city lots, I'm now going to take these free bushes + gorilla plant new ones.
I got impatient and planted right after a severe cold snap in March. It was growing so fast in its little peat pot I figured it was time. It's already grown about 7 feet and started branching out, and flowered and there's fruit on it. Bros it's the middle of April... this is retarded.
Turns out these new just-plant-as-is pots I got on clearance don’t like my mini greenhouse. Guess I’ll repot them this afternoon so that I don’t mold up my place, now that it’s time to remove the “glass”, since stuff got too tall.
>>2867073I’m stupid. Apparently, the spores already got my brain.
>>2867073>>2867074Yeah any kind of indoor planting a lot of what you're supposed to do is just reduce the amount of possible rot - heavier on inorganics and stuff that doesn't compact. Rotting pots will 100% be a problem.
>>2867074gotta make sure theres some air flowing, dont keep them in plastic where the humidity will be high all the timemaybe get a fan in your greenhouse too, good for the stems anyway
Does anyone here have the slightest idea what’s going on with my pak choi tatsoi cinese cabbage (or whatever) cotyledons? At first, they get soft and weak, and after a few days they turn into what you can see in the pic. This happened to the entire batch right after I repotted them into a larger container, and now the same problem is affecting the newer plants. I don’t want them to become barren dwarfs like the previous ones
Gentlemen, it is with great pleasure I come here to announce, my michurinska green appear to survived winter. If I don't fuck it up I could taste my first very own fig.
>>2867110They're supposed to drop off after the true leaves appear>>2867123Start giving it regular applications of balanced fertilizer and wait for those double bumps to appear
>>2866891>currantsI tried gooseberries a few years back and they died on me even though everything should have been fine. Maybe I should try again.On a similar topic autumn olive berries taste really good and are literally everywhere you look
>>2867131>Autumn olive berriesThe ones near me never got ripe enough, they were always sort of bitter and icky and dried out your mouth.They were OK at some point but probably needed another couple weeks, but I just gave up checking on them.
>>2867133They get ripe around september. Each tree also has slightly different berries in color, size, bitterness, stringiness, etc. I like them raw but it's defintely an acquired taste. I boiled them with sugar and made a good syrup.
Goumi berry in full bloom
>>2867135I bought some kind of improved variety so it should be one of the "good" ones in theory.
>>2867138I can't say anything about the cultivars. I just walk around local parks and try the berries from each bush. The best ones were the size of blueberries and the worst were these tiny pink bitter ones.
Anybody use AI to plan a garden? How did it go?
>>2867154I use it sometimes to get infodumps and stats, compare varieties and get suggestions for my climate, etc. but I make all the decisions. If you give it too much freedom to create a layout and choose what crops to grow, it's going to spit out something retarded. If you explain in great detail some unknown you want it to find for you or you have a specific question like germination method for some seed or checking if you're doing something correctly, that can get actual answers. It helps to specify how you want the answer formatted as well since the typical article format will only list like 3 things, but if you demand a long list or a table it will more readily spit out 10+.Overall I would say it makes good suggestions if you stipulate exactly what you want. Prompting is a skill in itself and having the foresight to tell it NOT to mention some things you already know or including details it's going to ask like what county you live in, you can speed things up considerably. If it focuses on something you didn't want it to, you can always just state what it did wrong and it will try again.
>>2867137I managed to get one to germinate,dang online guys don't cold stratify their stuff at all before shipping.
learning how to graft avocado scion to rootstock, wish me luck
I really need more plants so I have more to do why they're sprouting and growing.
>>2867154LLM are probability guessers for word order. At best it is a search engine that summarizes multiple results.For the garden you grow the plants you like to eat and then you organize it by planting and harvest timing. You should already have snow peas fruiting.Personally I like snow peas, sugar snap peas, lettuce, raddish, beet, tomato, squash, basil and perilla.
>>2867154I use it quite often, for example to get an idea how certain crops are usually grown, like at what soil temperature do professional farmers plant something, when they fertilize and so on for referenceAlso to calculate throughput and pressure drop in my water system when I add new sections to see if I can sustain this many emitters at onceAnd it was quite useful to convert lumens into umol and DLI for my growing space, I would need to do math myself without AIYou do need to constantly look for mistakes and double check though, it can sometimes decide to use completely wrong value somewhere in the equation out of nowhereBut I wouldn't use it for something like general advice, like "how to start a garden", you'll get a lot of retardation from reddit that sounds good on the surface if you do that
Harvested asparagus today, I let it get a bit too big, still delicious when fried with butter
>>2867200Damn I passed up starting some asparagus this year but could've put them in the strawberry patch.
>>2867201Not sure how well that works if you let one of the shoots live.
>>2867201>>2867202This is from last year, summerI have read about planting them together years ago on some forum and it works pretty well for me Asparagus grows tall but isn't super dense while strawberries are basically ground cover, there is some shading but I get decent amount of strawberries out of it, I really like everbearing type but it might be better with june bearing since they get shaded more and more later on as asparagus growsI have also read they don't interfere with each other too much since strawberries have shallow roots while asparagus roots deeply but I don't know if it's trueWhat I recommend is not going too wide with this, no more than one row of asparagus (maybe two it you really want to push it) since you need to reliably reach into middle without trampling on strawberries or breaking asparagus to harvest both of them
>>2867154interesting question. i was talkin with a guy in his early 60s about backyard landscaping and whatnot. we chat about life without drinking. he showed me a couple photos of designs that some ai image generator made. he said he took photos of his patio, then told ai to add like bougainvillea espalier and mini cypress potted plants, etc...it came out decent. looked reasonably well sized and proportioned. landscaping estimators 'boutta be outta business
Thoughts on nursery pots vs fabric grow bags?Thoughts on spray painting nursery pots to a lighter (nonblack) color?
>>2867264>nursery potsRetain a lot of heat, easier for transplanting.>grow bagsGood drainage, difficult for transplanting.>spraypainting anything containing your plantsOh shit what the fuck don't do that Spend $50 on a old whiskey/wine half-barrel instead.
>>2867264>>2867287Speaking of pots:I’ve got a huge ass driveway that I don’t need but I don’t currently have the budget or time to rip it out and turn it into garden, so I wanna use it to put some large planters there, using the heat of the asphalt as a benefit for stuff like peppers and tomatoes. Problem is: huge planters are expensive and plastic anyways, so they’re gonna be fucked by UV within a few years. But those huge buckets for mixing concrete or cement you get at the construction aisle at the big box stores are cheap and seems like they’re the same plastic. However they smell much worse than black pots. How much shit will leach from them, compared to “proper” planters? While they smell “better” they also don’t appear to have any certification or something that they’re clean.
>>2867264I've been enjoying fabric grow bags way more than I thought. I don't have any issue with having to water often and I'm wondering if it's cause I got tan ones since they might heat up and evaporate less. I'm a brainlet and shitposted my way through chemistry though so idk. they look way nicer than the black ones even if they get some water stains. we'll see if this feeling lasts through summer though>>2867292Are you talking about the 5 gal buckets? I'm not one to care about plastic leaching but I've heard the bigger issue is these potentially only lasting 1 or 2 seasons in really sunny areas which would piss me off considering I'd also have to drill holes and shit. Imo I wouldn't use buckets unless you get them for free or really cheap because they literally cost the same as a decent plastic pot that's actually made to be left in shit weather for a few years (or a growbag). Also the issue if you get them for free then becomes the fact that you don't know what shit someone put in that unless you got it from a restaurant or something. I've heard different fast food chains sometimes sell pickle buckets for slightly cheaper than home depot buckets if you still want to go that route.If a 5 gal nursery pot is actually more expensive than 2-5 bucks ea., you should check actual nurseries or nursery supply stores online. If you live in an urban-adjacent area, I recommend sites like freecycle where people give out free shit cause they're always posting pots like that where I live
>>2867264>fabric grow bagsThey dry out like crazy in my climate compared to plastic pots, would not recommend anywhere below 45 degrees North >Thoughts on spray painting nursery pots to a lighter (nonblack) color?You can buy white pots if you look hard enough for them but good idea regardless if you have high heat
>>2867292>How much shit will leach from them, compared to “proper” planters?You shouldn't be using any container that was previously used to hold chemicals or was treated by chemicals.Some plants like sunflowers, lettuce, mustard, tobacco etc take up heavy metals in their flesh when they grow. If you're not using all-natural growing pots and fertilizer, that crap can find its way into your body. This is the reason why wine and whiskey half-barrels are kino. They're made from untreated natural wood. No chance of copper preservatives, chromium or alkaline getting into your food. Just because something is made with wood doesn't mean its safe either. If you build a planter made out of deck lumber then that shit has been stained and treated to prevent it from rotting. Always buy all-natural for organic gardening.
>>2867287>>2867313I may have to consider investing in some grow bags then. I'm mostly talking indoor plants and I live down in Florida so it's normally hot all the time. I'm worried about heat retention yeah. I'll repot and try to save some of my current ailing plants (from generic pots with poor/no drainage) and then maybe get some bags afterward for a more permanent home.
>>2867264you know how those of us with green houses usually white wash em with a lime and diatomaceous earth wash, you probably could do the same to the black pots if they have enough texture, that should help with the heat absorption without doing something toxicmight work good if you add elmers glue to.just a thought I had
>>2867337>>2867376he could also just grab one in a different color. these are tan vivosun ones and I love them. there's probably other brands with light colors tooif you want to use these indoors with mature plants, be mindful not to overwater (with respect to how deeply your plants' roots reach). the bottom of the bag can retain more water than you'd thinkyou'll also probably need a saucer indoors because water leaks from the bottom/sides. I recommend something that also elevates the bag and drains into a lower tray just cause I don't like a ton of gunk build up under my bags, but to each their own. you can buy fancy perforated trays meant for growbags, use a pot elevator, or just arrange some small bricks/flat stones in one, leaving some gaps. I don't recommend a ton of tiny rocks though cause it's a pain in the ass to clean if gunk ever builds up on those. one of these bags is raised by 4 standard bricks, arranged in a square, so my balcony doesn't turn green. my actual indoor bag that I use for cat grass has one of the fancy perforated trays, mainly for aesthetics and because it's good at catching dirt/grass bits
>>2867401got pics of inside bag+tray?
>>2867404Here's a few pics of the fancy tray. I use it for 5 lb growbags indoors and some of my outdoor bags. It has a "self watering" feature, but I don't really fill it indoors with anything other than whatever excess run-off there is. For the outdoor bags, it seems like it sorta works as long as your plant has deep enough roots and it's kinda nice to collect rain water. I make sure to keep a mosquito dunk in the outdoor ones, though.Bottom left is what I use to elevate my bigger outdoor bags because similar trays for 10 gal are buttfuck expensive. I figure you can probably find smaller bricks and arrange them similarly, inside a tray, to catch the water. Garden/makeshift saucers are relatively cheap
>>2867411oh thats huge. pretty neat idea with the wick though. thanks anon.cute cat!
>>2867401This presents another question I must ask: What can I do to convince my cat to NOT fuck with my indoor plants?
>>2867412>>2867411Thanks! correction: the indoor bags are actually 3 gallon. the trays are meant for 5 gallon growbags>>2867413I also have a grow shelf for my seedlings and I can't keep them out of the lowest shelf kek. it definitely got a little bit better with cat grass, but pretty much all i could do was block them off. next season, I'm hoping to rebuild my growshelf and add some sort of plastic enclosure on the front. This year, I gave up and just make sure that they can't reach any poisonous plants. Anecdotally, they stopped trying to pull them out after we started doing cat grass, unless it was something like catmintFor us, most of the issue now is just knocking shit over to get into the light. If your shelves/plant areas allow for it, I've had great success with putting double-sided masking tape down on the edges of counters and certain shelves. they step on it, feel that it's sticky, then fuck off. I figure that them eating the tiny bit of adhesive residue off their paw is better than getting into my knife block. some people do similar with foil, but my cats would probably eat it. The shitty part is having to replace it every few weeks depending on how dusty it gets, cause they'll eventually realize that it's not sticky anymore lol
>>2867110>>2867126>They're supposed to drop off after the true leaves appearIt spreads to them as well once cotyledons are done
>>2867425>>2867110The cotyledons on most of my seedlings usually don't start falling naturally until 2-4 pairs, depending on the plant. I've even had huge plants from other gardeners that still have them on. It's hard to tell what could be going on just from these pics without context, but for me, squishy leaves, leaf drop, and small darkish/brownish discoloration on the edges is usually a sign of waterlogged soil. It's pretty easy to do without realizing, especially if they're in big containers or if you're bottom watering packs of different plants on the same schedule, despite them having different watering needs.are these indoor seedlings with a growlight or outdoors, what's the potting mix, and have you fertilized them yet? Also, does the leaf drop happen after repotting or just consistently throughout the seedlings' development?
>>2867432Waterlogged roots sound like a possible cause, since the soil consists largely of peat. Without adding sand, it would have poor drainage and tend to form clumps. However, the leaf drop is inconsistent, even though my watering schedule was the opposite. The best-developed plants still have their baby leaves, and I did my best to make sure the soil wasn't compacted or too soggy. I planted the seeds in two containers - a plug tray and a regular long pot. The ones I transplanted into fresh soil are affected by this in almost every case, while the others are more unpredictable. I used watered down worms' shit as a fertilizer, but it was after cotyledons' problem, as I suspected they might have deficiencies of some kind, so it could not be the case about too much minerals hurting the stem or something
Well /hgm/sisters, I have a plot in the community garden now (we're in rural retardville so it's actually a big plot), but it's only annuals, why are annuals so cringe?No caneberries, weak strawberry harvest - I have to do this scheme where I heel them in at home then move then there with proper spacing in the spring - no berry bushes like honeyberries, no currants, what actually is good as an annual?I don't mean good like good, I mean good like WOW I would spend a ton of money on that if I couldn't grow it good?
>>2867467>what actually is good as an annual?There's no universal answer to that because of three reasons: Location (What grows good where you live), Preference (what you like and don't like) and Alternatives (What local stores offer at what prices).Personally I'm of the opinion that your primary concern is "wow I'm saving so much money" you're doing it wrong, but if that is your primary reason, look for money crops. Probably saving most if you grow shit like wasabi or something. Maybe tobacco (check local laws, but usually legal for personal use) if you're a smoker that can be worth it.If you however aren't mentally challenged and are asking what is fun/good to grow:- Beans. High yield, grow fast, can be used in various dishes, fun. I'm growing Blauhilde beans for example, always fun.- Peppers. Chili peppers aren't cheap and most of the interesting varieties you can't buy. They have high yield and are pretty easy to grow. Grow some aji charapita, sugar rush, whatever you feel like.- Tomato. Not because they are expensive, but because the ones at the store suck ass. You get good yield and they taste 10x better.- Herbs. Herbs at the store cost much and you sometimes only get them dried, e.g. with barely any aroma. A small herb plot can do wonders. Prioritize shit you'll actually use. Examples: Mint, lemongrass, basil, thyme, rosemary, sage, laurel, parsley, maybe cilantro if location permits. The harder to get locally, the more worthwhile to grow at home.- On that note, basil grows like a weed but tastes amazing and you can use excess easily for pesto etc.- Anything that's more exotic but grows here as well. Physalis for example are great.- If you want mass then squash and pumpkin.- Chard is also an easy plant to get a lot of, I just personally don't like the taste too muchAnd set aside a small section for experiments, where you can grow stuff you wouldn't usually grow. E.g. I'm growing Basella alba to try it out this year.
>>2867467Happy to see another community gardener! figure out your grow zone and frost estimate dates. there's very simple youtube vids about it if you're not familiar. Ask others what grows best locally and make some friends. Basic stuff is great. Beans and radishes were my favorite when I first started in my plot. if you're new to annual veg gardening, it's really about the dopamine from success and productive plants, rather than growing expensive stuff.When you're planted up, I'd look into frost-resistant stuff, so you can decide whether to plant for fall or cover crop. Local extensions or universities will usually have good planting calendars.But also, PLANT ASPARAGUS. I love it and I really wish I had planted it earlier. if you're saying they don't allow berry bushes, then that's weird desu. if you're saying you just don't have them atm, I'd really consider a small bush next season. I just planted low-bush blueberries and it's a fun time>>2867494Agree, especially with grow what you're gonna actually eat and have an experiment section. desu I think the real money saving is starting your own plants, especially for community gardeners. Investing research and time into a decent grow shelf/similar setup saves me more money than literally anything.To the OP: I don't recommend getting a big grow setup immediately cause you'll have a lot on your plate, but it'd be great to look into halfway through the season while you're deciding what to plant for fall/winter (if anything).Herbs are big value, but imo you get too much for 1 person really fast. There's also an extra barrier of commuting to your plot for it. I'd keep a few smaller plants of your most used ones. give them as gifts to get extra mileage and consider a drying setup/dehydrator later on.
>>2867500forgot my pic, this is my plot earlier today. Some random stuff got mowed down a few inches by what looks like a deer, which is another downside to community gardening because you generally can't trap or have big structures to keep stuff out. Too many row covers can be really inconvenient without the storage space, too. It's a great time though, and I really enjoy being able to walk through in the summer and see everyone's plots.
>>2867467What if you grew stuff like currants but in a pot put in the ground, that way you could dig it out at the end of the season?
>>2867500>desu I think the real money saving is starting your own plants, especially for community gardenersYeah, definitely learn to keep seeds from year to year and start your own plants. Buying seeds is already not the cheapest usually, buying young plants gets expensive quick (depending on local pricing). Also keeping seeds of your plants is easy and fun.>Herbs are big value, but imo you get too much for 1 person really fast.Fair point, but with plants like basil you can just make pesto with the excess, similarly with lemongrass you can make a nice homemade curry paste etc. Usually there's ways to use them up. If necessary you can bind rosemary and lavender into bundles and put them in wardrobes for a nicer smell or shit.>There's also an extra barrier of commuting to your plot for it.Ah good point. I'm a city dweller so our community plots are reachable by bike quickly, it's not much further than the closest store. But OP did mention it being rural so you're probably right. In that case I'd recommend to just grow herbs in a small pot on a window or something, so you have them for cooking. Also combats the "too much for a person" issue.>>2867501That's a cute little plot anon, I'm jealous. I'm limited to a city balcony so having that much space is a dream.>Picrel, my seed collection across the last 5 years. It's not much, but for a small balcony it's plenty.
>>2867505 that's a really nice seed storage system! I do pic related with some extra unlabeled kraft paper envelopes for seed saving. I'm stealing this idea for smaller amounts and tiny seeds tho, especially cause I'm tending to plant onesies and twosies of lots of different, slow-growing plants lately.I actually completely forgot about saving seed lol, but yeah, it's relatively easy to google. Things like basil, beans, marigolds and nasturtiums are all really easy to save seed from, so that's an extra place you'd be saving money with those. Some seeds have a decent germination rate for like 6+ years.I definitely agree it's still worth growing bushes of whatever herbs you like in the garden, container or not desu. It's motivating to consistently have something to harvest at the plot when you have to make small, menial trips. It really only slightly "loses" some value cause of the inconvenience. I have lazy days where I absolutely dread having to go out only to do maintenance harvesting on vigorous shit like greens and basil, then having to wash the shit, but it's worth it every time.I got some chives in the plot and some ginger in a growbag to the side, then I'm hoping to make a planter or two for some of the dead space near my compost tumbler and growing some thyme, rosemary and oregano. I'm super hyped for that
>>2867513>that's a really nice seed storage systemThanks. If you look for "diamond" or "bead organizer" you can get them for really cheap, each box is about the size of a tictac box if you have that where you live. Not ideal for bigger seeds like beans, but plenty for tomato etc. I bought 3 overall, 2 as gifts for people who saw my system and liked it. You can get them on ali for ~10 bucks which is nice, there's also versions with bigger containers.>Things like basil, beans, marigolds and nasturtiums are all really easy to save seed fromAlso chili, tomato and co. Bit more complicated are ones where you have to decide between ideal harvesting time and letting one sacrificial plant go to seed (e.g. bok choi), but even that's not too hard. >Some seeds have a decent germination rate for like 6+ years.I've had good germination rates with 5 year old seeds if you just avoid moisture (mold) and light (UV).>I definitely agree it's still worth growing bushes of whatever herbs you like in the garden, container or not desuPro-tip if you're a cheapskate for those is you can buy them at the supermarket, then just thin them out and plant. Basil at the store is much cheaper than at the nursery. Even works with cut herbs, I got some thai basil at the asian supermarket and put half in a vase to grow roots, then planted those.>I got some chives in the plot and some ginger in a growbag to the side, then I'm hoping to make a planter or two for some of the dead space near my compost tumbler and growing some thyme, rosemary and oregano. I'm super hyped for thatGood luck with it anon, sounds fun. Having lazy days is normal, I upgraded my pots to SIPs to minimize need for watering and that's despite it being literally on a balcony with a door that accesses my bedroom. If I can be too lazy for that, then you have an excuse to be too lazy for your plot kek.
>>2867515>Even works with cut herbsI knew you could propagate lavender, but never thought to do it with other herbs, duh. We're lucky enough to have a little community-wide herb plot, but I wanted my own small reserve since I had the extra space and wood. I'll definitely be trying to propagate some cuttings from there and will ask some of my neighbors for some too
>>2867517>and will ask some of my neighbors for some tooSomething something Ben Franklin effect, always a good move.Plus sharing and trading seeds and seedlings is fun and you get to find cool shit that way that actually grows where you live, sounds comfy, good luck with that.
>>2867500>If you're saying they don't allow berry bushesIt seems like they plow the whole thing every year. I'll have to ask about putting in some perennial stuff, but nearly every fruit is a perennial.This one is more of a big community field garden than raised beds, and they must just go through with a tractor or something and till it all.
>>2867519Melons and nightshades. Pepino melon, physalis, wonderberry, litchi tomato, black nightshade, etc. I would say you want some kind of ground cherry or personal sized watermelon.
>>2867467Do strawberries or alpine strawberries (everbearings are better imo), plant now, collect crowns and any runners in autumn for next year planting somewhere elseUnless you want to start from a seed, then you are limited and I would do something fast growing like zucchini or cucumbers
>>2867530Yeah that was more or less my plan, I'm doing alpine strawberries. They fruit and establish faster than normal ones plus handle cold temperatures better, so they'll hopefully overwinter them better when I heel them in back at my house for the winter. It'll give me a few more weeks than first-year everbearing strawberries plus hopefully handle the moving better.
>>2867519that's kinda weird and sucks ass, but I assume the benefit is not needing a lot of oversight for gardeners' upkeep of their own plot. Might be what works best for a rural area that might have a hard time finding volunteer leadership otherwise. All the community gardens around here are ran by the county and just leave upkeep to the renter of the plot. For lots of areas, it's still early enough that you can still plant almost any annual veg right now and get a decent harvest. good luck and hopefully you find a solution that lets you grow something nice. asparagus is definitely out the window though>>2867518thanks! sharing doodads, seeds and plants has unexpectedly become my favorite part of gardening. we have a dedicated seed and plant sharing area, so there's always something fun throughout the season. It's a nice way to get rid of my own extra plants without feeling bad about composting them
>>2867536Yeah the rules don't exclusively ban any kind of plant at all, the only limit is basically what you can manage to grow within the growing season of a single year, since they till it. Very hands-off for them.A lot of commie gardens also don't allow a lot of cane berries or anything like that though so it's not abnormal that I can't grow them. I might ask mid-season how many plots they have filled, with too many empty plots they might actually let me use a back one for perennials but I'll have to see.The whole thing is a huge field with literally thirty plots so I'm guessing about 10 or 20 might get filled and most people won't come back, but who knows. Even in the countryside most people didn't really have a garden they upkept so they probably wouldn't sign up year after year to do community gardens, or at least not on back plots far away from the entrance and water.
>>2867536>It's a nice way to get rid of my own extra plants without feeling bad about composting themI usually end up with a lot of excess from seeds that germinated better than expected, so I make some origami pots and give them away/put them on the street for pedestrians to take some.Feels good and quickly makes you liked.
>>2867540That's crazy, waitlists for most commie gardens here are 5-10 years. we're blessed with a very nice water system and a great layout, though. I really wish my community garden banned cane berries tbqh because everyone in my little sector is still pulling rhizomes to this day. The person who originally planted it is long gone, and I think someone kept part of the bush after they gave up trying to get rid of it. it's our own silly little shared trauma
any tips to fix a very compacted land plot without heavy machinery? Should i wait for heavy rains, and then poke holes into the earth with a pitchfork the day after expecting it to become softer?Also what should i do to make it fertile again? should i put a layer of compost then mulch over it?
>>2867545look into buying a broadfork if you're gonna be planting in it. Imo it's cheaper in the long run cause a decent one lasts years while all my friends have shit mini rototillers that have parts eating shit every couple years. Other than that, you can probably just dig and loosen every foot or so with a shovel, but obviously tedious realistic for a huge space.>Also what should i do to make it fertile again?while you're breaking it up, you can add compost/leaf mold/whatever to make it a bit lighter and give it nutrients. then you can plant some really easy-to-grow stuff that also helps the soil health, like beans, which you can pull then lightly till back in afterwards, or pull+cover with newspaper to let it decompose. Alternatively (or afterwards, if your beans die early), you can do the same thing with a cover crop. I like something with vetch mixed in because it's pretty, cheap, and the roots aren't too deep. a cover mix with a turnip/radish or other stuff that's good for fixing shallow compaction might be nice too
My fuji apple seedling that I planted last year from a seed I sprouted survived the winter. I just gave it a fertilizer stake and hoping it grows like crazy this summer and gets those roots nice and deep. We didnt get any snow over the winter and hardly any rain so far this spring so it's gonna be rough.
>>2867545>fix a very compacted land plot without heavy machinery? How heavy are we speaking, rototillers can get pretty small and they are not expensive to rent, I wouldn't buy because you likely want to do this only once >Also what should i do to make it fertile again?Till it and don't let it get compact again by having plants in, mulch on, don't walk or move anything heavy on it too much and do occasional broad forking You want plants with a strong root system, like fava beans, they do well in heavy soilYou can add organic matter like compost into it while tilling but it'll get expensive very fastAnd don't worry about destroying your soil by tilling, while good soil can be damaged by heavy tilling you simply don't have any good soil, you just turn shitty compacted soil into shitty less compacted soil
>>2867547>>2867559Thanks both of you, yeah i think i will do exactly what you suggest. Also another of my issues is the watering. Is there some way i can use to prevent regular watering? its not out of laziness or something like that, but because i don't have the infrastructure to automatically water those areas (countryside energy grid sucks ass here), also even if i could install drip irrigation stuff, i own 6 big dogs that will just destroy that stuff in no time.pic related is a shitty map of my land plot. I basically want to turn the dry ass area into a green ass area. The blue pipe is an underground water pipe that goes from the water pump next to the reservoir, to sprinklers (blue x).>Why dont you just extend the pipe to the dry ass area and install more sprinklers.The energy grid sucks ass, im quite sure that my grid cant sustain a bigger water pump.
>>2867560This is my idea so far. To build a 1.5m dirt wall, so i can distribute water using gravity from a 2nd reservoir over a 1.5m structure (made of concrete, i guess?).
>>2867560Mulch keeps moisture in but it's hard to apply thin enough to not smother grass so it's not a good option here If you don't want drip but you are too flow limited for sprinklers your only option is to divide your garden into many zones that run separately each with flow low enough for your pump and storageThat will require at least one valve per zone you would need to install, you have several options for that>Professional grade, install irrigation valve, run wires along pipes to central controller where you set everything up, really convenient and reliable >Manual jank, manual twist timers you would need to manually operate every time like pic related, I use a few of those they work for infrequent stuff, wouldn't recommend for this >Battery irrigation controller valve, all in one unit, branch a pipe into one of those, run to sprinklers and program it to water at set intervals, I recommend adding a master valve before them all so you can turn entire water supply off instead of walking up to each of them and turning it off for a few days if it rains
>>2867560>Eucalyptus tree wall
>>2867563Thanks, anon. I will evaluate. Worst case maybe i can replace the whole watering system pipeline to a lower caliber.>>2867564Meh, its not that bad. Its just a 1 tree thick row of eucalyptus trees. Surely i can cultivate nothing behind my house, but doesn't matters, the back of my house is still cute and smells nice.And about fires... well yeah, eucalyptus are quite flammable, so i have to make sure to trim them down and prevent the leaves from accumulating (i have a briquette machine that works wonders on all that eucalyptus bark and leaves).
>>2867565>eucalyptus treesMy grandmas house had themthey get fucking HUGE
>>2867574>they get fucking HUGEthey do, and they also do grow extremely fast. They are not as bad as locust tho. At least you can keep eucalyptus from spreading, black locust on the other hand are absurdly invasive.
>>2867576do honey locust for the beans
It's still too cold outside reeeeee
>>2867576You can at least get some cute eucalyptus like citriodora or olida
Currants and honeyberries in the ground.I see online that it'll take 3 years for the first honeyberry but maybe I'll get some first year currants to try, some of the plants were already mega-rooted when they arrived.It's easy to find currants for like 10 bucks online, it's a wonder people don't grow these just because of the price.
Saw that some of the strawberry plants I abandoned because of a bindweed infestation were still alive, I dug them up and put them in a comfy pot. Im so sorry strawburry plants.
>>2867648>currantsMy bareroot gooseberries went like this: first year new branches grew from the original cutting and were weak and barely hovering off the ground. No flowers. Second year still no flowers but lots of new stronger canes grew straight up from the crown. The structure is shaping up to be able to actually support fruit, but I think this year's growth needs to age a couple years first. I'm not sure how much of this process you could actually skip by planting a more mature bush, but I think blackcurrants will fruit on younger branches than redcurrants and gooseberries. Maybe you skip one year of establishing the roots, and blackcurrants take off a year of maturing.
>>2867659Yeah I'm just going off what I heard and maybe being a little optimistic, but I saw some guy saying his black currants put out a heavy crop on only the second year, making me think first year was possible, the plant came with a couple sticks already.It's a big maybe for the red because it should take longer, but I'm just hoping for a couple berries maybe just to know what these varieties taste like. The roots really were huge for three of them, almost had to dig the kind of hole you dig for a tree.
Daily reminder for the new folks to honeyberry/haskap.They are not self pollinating and they don't cross pollinate across the same strain.You have to parallel plant another strain.
>>2867665I boughted 6. I would have got 7 but I just got whatever the guy had in stock>Boreal beautyIncel beauty
>>2867666witnessed, I got 5 healthy ones right now, 1 prbly ded. I got aurora, borealis, indigo gem, and tundra
I really only care about eating as many delicious tomatoes for as long as I can, I do two Early Girls, four pink brandywines, and a couple of cherokee purples (the best tomato) they just don't do well in my hot arid climate. Broccoli is done long before the tomato plants take over everything.
>>2867668Early girls produce early and don't stop until the first frost, the most productive tomato plant I have ever planted, so it's always in my garden.
>>2867667I got Aurora, Boreal Beauty, Boreal Blizzard, Indigo Gem, Indigo Treat, and Tundra.They all looked really healthy except the treat, but I just put them in the ground. I'm hoping to wait a year, mound their roots, and then have like 10 of each.
>>2867670>>2867667I'm just googling this stuff around but someone really needs to start objectively rating their fruit bushes, yeah yeah I KNOW it's subjective but if enough people would make subjective lists we'd find something out.Currently reading a 13 year old thread on an obscure gardening forum for more information on how different varieties taste, but they're not really saying much. I wish 4chud wasn't dead so we could have big gardening generals with plants ranked the same way other infographs and pastebins used to be made.
>>2867671From what I understand the flavor among most of them ranges from raspberry to blueberry to pomegranate to a whole list of fruits that I like, there are bitter varieties but those aren't grown in the americas usually, all the things listed here are sweet varieties from my understanding. also>Honeyberries ... are exceptionally high in antioxidant compounds, particularly anthocyanins, often surpassing blueberries in nutritional density. These berries are a rich source of polyphenols, vitamin C, and potassium, offering anti-inflammatory, neuroprotective, and cardio-protective health benefits.there's that to
>no, I've never tried them>yes, I'm dedicated to growing them
>>2867672I'm just saying we need like some kind of at least personal preferrence rating list.I just bought all the guy had but in the future I might get more from some other source with new options, and it would be cool to have something that didn't say>Yeah it's more of a cool grapey>It's like a sweet tangerine lemon>Oh this one's a little zingy with a caramello twistLike if people just wrote what ones they liked in order and then did the same with production from said bushes it would be so much simpler.This is a problem with all fruit varieties though, the only YOU NEED TO BUY THIS one I've seen is Tahis black currant, from multiple convincing testimonials.Well a couple years and my bushes will be fruiting and I'll be able to make a ranking of 6 of them at least. Maybe by then I'll have 6 more varieties and I'll have a ranking of 12 of them 2 years after.
>>2867674Would it be rude of us to request that you share your findings?I'm going to try and do similar.>turns out to be so good you deny having any honeyberries at all
>>2867675That's the plan but unless they fruit this year (odds low) it's gonna be at least a year from now.
>>2867676I went with them because of cold hardiness to be honest>search: high calorie fruit in very cold climates>Honeyberries: The most cold-hardy, tolerating temperatures down to (-40F)then my brain said yesI'm also going for sea buckthorn for similar reasons, mainly barren and shit soil placement though
>>2867674People haven't tried the same stuff and don't understand the terminology the same way. You have to stop and explain what you mean when you make the comparisons, like it has the literal aroma of something vs. it has similar tartness or muskiness to something. The way people explained blackcurrant to me was complete nonsense even after I tried them.
>>2867677I needed unusual fruits, my cousin is a professional fruit farmer so I had to get memeshit like honeyberries and currants to not overlap his stuff.So basically I'm just going for rare varieties, dessert fruits that don't do well in store, ect.>>2867678None of that is even needed is the thing, same thing in the wine world, I don't need to know your moscatto has hints of honeysuckle, do you like it better than this one or not? OK, put that on a list.And some people do just list their favorite wines so you'd think that would happen at some point with fruit cultivars. I have 20 different kinds of raspberry hybrids to choose from so to know which is the best I just have to plant them all. (I won't be doing raspberries for a while they're one of the fruits my cousin farms)
>>2867679The thing is many fruits objectively do have similar flavor components like the common red berry flavor compounds, resiny guava or citrus aromas, perfumey compounds like lavender or rose, and most interesting the orange pumpkiny compounds you get in persimmon. It's pretty pronounced in, for example, cactus fruits which have massive flavor differences depending on color. You could go to great lengths to explain new fruits to people in these terms but people rarely do. It's when people are discussing the minute differences between varieties that descriptions get really subjective and untrustworthy.
First time planting. Made one of those buried log garden mounds last fall and a lasagna garden bed behind it. Terrain is mostly slopped so probably mostly gonna do log mounds and raised beds. Doing three sisters, corn growing right now, planted some pumpkin seeds that I found sprouted in my compost and bottom is my chicago hardy fig tree. Messed up my compost because I threw turf in dug up in there so theres a lot of thick grass roots sproting I have to keep ripping up now. Other than that so far so good.
>>2867563Speaking of irrigation:I’m quite happy with the 4.6mm Gardena drip system but their sprinklers are kinda meh. The radius is too small, plus, you can’t put too many of em in a branch and they don’t really distribute water that much. It’s kinda 5 jets, eroding soil. I think they have one or two other options for small sprinklers, probably gonna try those.
>>2867665That’s good to know!They’re rather rare where I’m at and I knew about the non-self pollination but the nursery I got it from said they sell quite a few so there should be some bees passing by but the fruits I got where few, tiny and not exactly tasty. Granted, it was its first year, but looking at it, year two won’t be much better, I’d guess. Also, maybe the location is too hot and sunny for it?How do I figure out which cultivar I have? So I can get it a better bro, maybe in the shade or something.
>>2867693> Also, maybe the location is too hot and sunny for it?The blueberry next to it definitely isn’t happy. Also, I guess the soil isn’t acidic enough for it. I gave it some fertilizer specifically for it and I turned my Christmas tree into mulch to give it some forest feel, but it’s just not looking to good.
>>2867694What however does look good is the currant branches I buried. I have some huge, nice currant bushes (marmalade for the whole year! Fuck yeah!) but the previous owner planted them right in the middle of the main vegetable garden and they are making life kinda difficult in there. So the plan is to “move” them elsewhere, but irl take me a few years until that’ll happen.
>>2867648>I see online that it'll take 3 years for the first honeyberryThat's bullshit, my honeyberries I grew from cuttings are fruiting 3 years after I put a few tiny sticks into soil and pretty much every plant I bought, even small ones did fruit in second year at the latest>currants for like 10 bucks online, it's a wonder people don't grow these just because of the price.Actually don't some states have laws that forbid growing currants and gooseberries for some reason which is why people don't grow them>>2867674>>2867675I have a massive collection of cultivars:Boreal beast, Blue treasure, Boreal beauty, Boreal Blizzard, Giant's heart, Blue Treasure, Strawberry Sensation, Blue Banana, Borealis, Tundra, Zielona, Jugana, Wojtek, Czelabinka, Indigo, Aurora, Czarna, Leningradskij Welikan, Anneke, DuetTotal 20 cultivars and like 40 bushes I will write down my ratings this year when they fruitNot all will probably fruit as some are new and I'm currently experimenting with shade planting and they do seem to tolerate shade very well for a fruiting bush
>>2867693Do you only have one plant?It's not gonna fruit well on it's own, you need to plant more if you want it to set decent amount of fruit>maybe the location is too hot and sunny for it?That's quite possible, honeyberries start struggling in zone 7 and higher generally speaking I have some of mine in very sunny spot and they struggle in hot summers, dropping leaves early compared to other bushes but they fruit before heat really comes in so it's not that big of a deal>How do I figure out which cultivar I have?You can't if you don't have any others to compare flowering time, fruit might have some clues, blue banana and giant's heart for example are pretty distinctive but many cultivars are really similar in shape and size>>2867694Did you put acidic soil or a lot of sulfur when you planted it?
I strongly recommend goumi berryVigorous nitrogen fixer, grows fast even on poor soilsFruit is tasty raw, has a large pit in the middle Flowers like crazy >>2867137 and sets a ton of fruitsCompletely self fertile
>>2867698> Do you only have one plant?Yeah, only one. As said, there should be some in the neighborhood, but either, it’s not enough or the wrong ones (I suppose that nursery always has the same cultivar, they’re not very common/know here) so I’m gunna plant another one from another source, hoping it’s a fitting partner. >You can't if you don't have any others to compare flowering time, fruit might have some clues, blue banana and giant's heart for example are pretty distinctive but many cultivars are really similar in shape and sizeGuess I’ll ask the nursery I got it from and/or here when they fruit and/or pick some weird, rare cultivar. >Did you put acidic soil or a lot of sulfur when you planted it?I put in some bagged soils for blueberries and rhododendrons but of course that’s just it’s direct root zone, the rest is my native soil and I don’t see any blueberries in the forderst here (mostlyCalcareous rocks) so I’m guessing they don’t really like the soil.
Asparagus snack for today
my chia seedlings all got wrecked by the sun :(
>>2867653That's like seeing an abused pet get a second loving family. Heartwarming.
>>2867704Is there a big difference between homegrown asparagus and bought asparagus the same way there's a big difference for tomato and other berries?Maybe it's because I'm german, but I feel like asparagus is the one vegetable that has relatively speaking short logistical routes. I can ask the guy I bought the asparagus where the field is where it was harvested and it'll be a short drive away usually, often within the same village/city.
>>2867674lol I also fell for the Tahsis hype. Hopefully it's as good as they say. I planted two of each color
>>2867708Yes there is. Sweet corn, snap peas, carrots, and asparagus all notorious for this. I think there's a difference in general, like I hear it about broccoli, celery, beans, etc. but it's mainly that first group that people always say.
>>2867713Thanks for the response. I haven't grown most of these, but I have grown carrots, and the flavor difference was quite noticeable with those. I just assumed that was because carrots have long logistics lines, so they can be stored for ages before you get them. With asparagus, it's usually within the week from harvest to pot (conservatively).
>>2867677>I'm also going for sea buckthorn for similar reasons, mainly barren and shit soil placement thoughNot sure where you are but if you're in the USA they're kind of a hassle. Expensive, need both male and female varities, and grows slowly. I would just get goumi or some oher Elaeagnus. They're in the same family and have pretty much the same nutritional benefits as sea buckthorn.
>>2867704I really ought to try growing some asparagus. I have a bunch of hostas and they just go nuts with zero effort here.
Big rhubarb for baking>>2867708There is a difference when they are freshly cut, that fresh softness they have does go away but it's not as big of a difference as some would claim as long as long as they aren't old>>2867735It's really easy, plant and forget, takes a long time to establish though, you'll only get anything 3 years out and they'll be really thin, another year or two before you get any decent thick ones I get
>>2867738>There is a difference when they are freshly cut, that fresh softness they have does go away but it's not as big of a difference as some would claim as long as long as they aren't oldI'll guess it's like the difference between supermarket asparagus and farmer's asparagus then. The supermarket one is sometimes not the freshest so it can get a bit limp (and eventually leathery, though that's rare). Farmer's asparagus is firmer and stays firmer for longer, my guess is due to shorter storage times.
>>2867589It started snowing for a few minutes
>>2867589tomatoes soon for me
>>2867747I put mine outside in the day and bring them inside at night, in Wyoming you are gambling planting before memorial day.
I know this may not be the place to ask this but i dont know where else should i ask. Is it possible to successfully plant oyster mushrooms in the wild? I would like to get it to colonize a lot of sterilized bale first, then just throw it into a humid bale lot. Will it work? or will it fail miserably by being out competed? (even if I'm planning to let it colonize 1 meter square of sterilized bale first).
>>2867754I've seen oyster mushrooms planted outside so they must be a little more competitive than others. The problems with them is a lot of the colorful strains available are tropical and won't last past the first year and they prefer to fruit from the sides or on some kind of solid wood, so you might need to place some pieces inside to direct them. Even if you succeed a lot of species will go through straw like a bag of potato chips so you might want to try hardwood chips instead. If I recall, namekos are also viable done this way but they only fruit in cool weather at the end of the season.
>>2867699>I strongly recommend goumi berrywhat variety? do I just get seeds of amazon or something? local places don't sell em.
>>2867764Online nurseries will deliver them. Best to do it in late Winter when they can give you one that's dormant.
>>2867716I am in high altitude colorado and they're doing fine so far
>>2867764>what variety?I have "Sweet Scarlet" and "SSP", it wasn't easy to buy them, I had to get on a waiting listAnyhow, "Sweet Scarlet" tastes better so I would recommend that although I heard there are better new cultivars, really hard to get tho>do I just get seeds of amazon or something?Seeds are the last resort imo, you'll get plant that is genetically different from parent plant and might not have the same large, tasty fruitsIt'll also take at least a year to get it to planting size, likely more>local places don't sell em.Try online, if you want something rare it'll always have to be online sellerYou can plant year round but only if you water it regularly if it's dry while it establishes itself, better wait for Autumn planting season although you could order it now and move it into a larger pot so you have larger plant when it comes time to plant
>>2867764afaik there are only three widespread cultivars, Red Gem, Sweet Scarlet and Tillamook/Carmine. The last will have the largest fruit
>>2867768I bought some imported seaberry compote and it mostly tasted like that oily funk and not much of the fruity orange flavor people claim. When you get some fruit let us know how it tastes ripe with a modern variety. I was interested in it for a while but supposedly it will die right away if any branches are shaded and my yard is not great for that.
>>2867768That' the type of climate they're adapted for. They're from arid eurasia. I was talking from my eastern US pov. Here there's no point of planting them in our wet humid climate when their close relative will do so much better.
>>2867782Fruit is great both fresh and processed, it tastes like acid candy and can be used as lemon substitute
>>2867788So are the new varieties finally in a good state? Which one do you have?
>>2867791I harvest from wild sea buckthorns, the ones I planted are still too young to fruitI think whatever you had was bad quality or old although I love sour candy so I might be overrating it
>>2867782>>2867786Our sunlight is very intense, mostly because of the altitude but our neighboring states don't help with that either.
>>2867754I was looking into this and basically you feed them sterilized substrate of some kind, then no special environment needed. Once they're colonized it stops being sterilized anyway. If you could scale this up to some massive system in the wild using whole bales it would be neat.They are the ones that outcompete everything else when your substrate is properly colonized, formerly dry hay isn't gonna have anything that can compete with a jar of properly colonized mycelium.
>>2867858I did some research, you can sterilize bale and cardboard in cold water with a solution between calcium hydroxide, get the PH to 13 Then submerge the bale and cardboard into the mix overnight, rinse and the PH should lower during the rinse stage. Then, you can just use that as substrate (depending on the mushroom resistance).The water ph should become lower and lower as time passes, and at some point, you can just use it to stabilize the PH of some acidic soil.I will try that method to make a huge 1 meter square block of mycelium, wish me luck.
>>2867866after that, i will just move the block to a shadow area under a cherry tree so it never gets direct sun. After that, it should just be a game of feeding it and keeping it moist like a pet.
>>2867866Ah, i will also prepare the area where my fungi friend will live by burying wet trunks and making a bed out of wood chips. It should be enough for it to survive and adapt.
Current set up>tobacco(rusticas, Prilep)>heirloom cannabis(kwik nepalis, sudanese, erpurtxfriesland, pati morada, friends f7 project, moliotiko)>torreya nucifera>rhaponticum carthamoides>asparagus>smilax rotundifolia>pawpaw>ginseng>sage>horehound>pistachio>nettles>salmonberry>epimedium>chichory/endives>arugula/mustard/kale>cold hardy perennial chili pepper>thyme>oyster leaf>opium (galania, giganthemum, black swan, hungarian, indian black)
Bros, I looked up the city code and it says that my lawn can legally be 12 inches high.Yes I can literally have a foot tall lawn.Do I go the schizo route and replace the entire thing with alpine strawberries sneakily? They're like a foot tall.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YltD3f-1w8The only video I can find of an alpine strawberry "farm"
OK native plant schizos are just completely intolerable on any gardening forum now.No, I'm not interested in growing this one rare mountain grass that grows in these specific conditions, I want to grow food. I don't actually care that grassius tweedleshitum would be benefited from my actions. Like 99% of the suburbs and my town are already non-native and I honestly do not care about decreasing that to 98%, I want to grow things that benefit me.
>>2867947https://m.youtube.com/shorts/NHa0bMNd1LI
>mfw I fucked up by planting a shit ton of bareroot trees and cuttings too late in the seasonIt would take me over an hour everyday if I had to go water all of them. How do I cope? Pray for rain like a tribal african or accept that the majority are going to die?
>>2867952You cope by watering them for over an hour every day so that one day you won't have to anymore
>>2867952Mulchcope + heavy water
>>2867952Buy a cheap battery irrigation timer, screw it into your water outlet (might need one of those cheap multiple hose connectors) and run 16mm irrigation lines under trees with smooth lines from tree to tree on surface since it'll be removed later anyways, you can reuse lines later for something else.Or hand water all summer, the choice is yours
>>2867952You shouldn't be watering your trees every day. A deep watering every few days-week is better than shallowly watering ever day
>>2867988If they're new you should depending on how old they are, especially on those hot windy days.
>>2867947Native plant fags dont actually understand how the ecosystem works. The ecosystem is built upon worms, slugs, grasshoppers, beetles, etc that are generalists and can eat anything.The horrid truth is that all those hyperspecific gall wasps and bees and butterflies can go extinct and literally nothing will happen. That's why the ecosystem still hasn't collapsed and never will. Monarchs can all go extinct tommorow and nothing changes.Of course I get that "I grow flowers to help the wholesome chungus butterflies!" sounds better than "I have a bunch of rotting logs in my yard for bugs mice and snakes to live in". I just wish they weren't such fucking rabid freaks who turned it into an ideology. Especially because they're inflitrating local municpilates and establishing plant gestapos around the country.
propane weed torch my beloved
>>2867947>No, I'm not interested in growing this one rare mountain grassThen don't, no one is forcing you. You do what you want on your property, I do what I want on mine>99% of the suburbs and my town are already non-nativeAnd because of that, when I walk into my local woods I get to see escaped burning bushes, japanese barberry that increases the tick population, garlic mustard that pushes out the native ramps, etc. When I go to the forest I want to see what my ancestors saw, not the same gay invasive newbuild bullshit they put at every house. Have you ever seen an American chestnut? Thank non-native shit>>2868018>they're inflitrating local municpilates and establishing plant gestapos around the country>literally describes HOAs, something that already exists
>>2868045>Have you ever seen an American chestnut? Thank non-native shitYou're never really going to stop shit like that without completely collapsing international commerce first.>literally describes HOAs, something that already existsThose are bullshit too.
>I'll expand my veggie garden a bit, it's just 8 square meters to till, surely I'll be done in one afternoon
>>2868068We got another one, rock buriers
>>2868068kek, I thought mine was bad but at least what I dig out is mostly flat and broken up.Time to build a cairn.
>>2868068My two favorite things in this world are throwing car batteries in the ocean and burying rocks in anon's yard
>>2868045And there it is>I wantNature doesn't give a fuck what you want. Nature does whatever works best for it. What you want is a perfect fantasy where everything is native and lives in harmony but that never existed and never will.Only 10,000 years ago half of north america was covered under a mile of ice. All the plants and animals we have here didn't just magically show up, they all had to migrate from somewhere else. This is a process that is still going on today, not just with exotic species but also natives expanding their range as the climate changes.>>literally describes HOAs, something that already existsNo, they make it pretty clear their intention is to make this county-wide or even statewide. I'm pretty sure there's a county near DC that recently put this into place.Of course it's just another way for the government to extort money from citizens>hey granny, your heirloom roses are actually a hybrid of non-native multiflora roses. That means we're going to fine you $200 everyday until you remove them
My tomato flowers have fallen off and are now tiny tomatoes
>>2868068that's nothing, I've had to pull out rocks at least three times that size, from over 3 feet deep.Quite literally lifting big rocks out of holes.I don't need a gym anymore with gardening.It's why muscle bound chad is a fitting image when posting gardening memes.
It's finally spring in the colorado rockies
I got a new mower and string trimmer this week, I am extremely excited to use them tomorrow.
>>2868081>anti-nativefags being insufferable again when the last time natives were mentioned ITT was like 3+ weeks ago, in aprilis nature in the room with us right now anon
Did 2.5 meters this evening, I was hoping to plant here this weekend but it's obvious it's not going to happen now
I talked with my mother and it's from the foundation of the house my great great grandfather built over 110 years ago, it was demolished 30 years before I was even bornIt's all stones and some sort of lime mortar, surpassingly I found a lot of worms in there so I don't think it contains any harmful additive
>>2867699These look really neat. came across a listing for the sweet scarlet kind while looking at a local shop's site cause I'm trying to plant some sort of ribes for jams/salads. might go this route instead, hopefully they come back in stock this fall
I got aphids today. they ripped my scotch bonnet apart... fuckers.
>2 degrees c tomorrow nightMost of the shit i've planted out is cold hardy but im worried about the tomatoes. Got them fleeced up but they might get stunted anyway.>>2868068rip, worst I get is the odd brick here and there. Got a whole collection of them now
>>2865740Bountiful mangoes
>>2866349I already have to move my Mango and Avocado trees indoors. They're getting leaf scorch when it gets over 85F with morning and some noon sun.>>2868068>>2868161>>2868162I've been fixing my backyard's grading and I've discovered one of the previous owners buried a shit ton of pavers that's why the grading was fucked up in the first place. Residential properties need a minimum percentage of permeable uncovered grass, gravel, and/or soil to absorb rainwater. They just dumped 3 inches of topsoil over the pavers as a cheap and quick way to pass inspection before they sold the house.This week I fixed the grading on the side of my house right at the property line where it's causing shit tons of water to build up on my patio. Previous owner placed a line of 3-6 inch stones on the property line at random intervals, which they also buried with topsoil. The tip of my shovel got dull quick, which makes cutting the sod and digging up heavy clay soil even harder.
Whomst baking
>>2867754probably? wine caps will happily live in a garden bed, oysters might want a log or something as well to fruit off of
Finally got some stuff in the ground this week. I planted an entire pack of 1000 pelleted carrots seeds. Put some radishes in the front raised beds. Planted peas and potatoes today. The garlic was up earlier in the week. Got a nice long scratch pulling straw away from the rose bushes. Was pleased to see the big leaf hydrangeas managed to survive a zone 3 winter. I didn't realize they were intended to be a potted annual here.
>>2868252>I planted an entire pack of 1000 pelleted carrots seeds. Put some radishes in the front raised beds.What varieties?
Anyone here growing citrus in zone 7b? I'm in norther Virginia and just bought a Thomasville citrangequat tree. I'll put it in the ground soon. I really hope it can withstand the winter with some help.
>>2868088Such a good feeling. For me it got soured by the fact that only two fruits emerged, but they were picture-perfect, and right as I was about to pick them, literally the next day, I discovered some furry cunt fucking stole them. Fucker.
>transplanted my goji berry bush into a bigger pot and left it outside>bought some dried goji berries and ate them to know what the fuck I am even growing>tastes like really mellow rasins, or rather that is the texture, the taste is more like a mellow figeh, not bad I guess, now the question is how much of this is safe to eat, as I would certainly replace rasins which are far too sweet for me with this instead.
>>2868321I hear bush tomatoes (as in Australia) make pretty banger raisins
>>2868261For radishes Scarlet Globe which I picked somewhat randomly. Carrots I went with Bolero which is a nantes type hybrid. The past few years I was planting Neptune an imperator hybrid. Bolero was the only pelleted seed I could get locally. I'd grown nantes for quite a few years. The only reason I switched to imperators was that they tolerated neglected thinning well due to their length. Now that I'm using pelleted seed I can get proper spacing to begin with.The downside of imperators is that they'd grow completely through my top soil and embed their root in dense clay making them difficult to pull individually. I'd just use a pitch fork to loosen a clump of them at a time.
>>2868325>For radishes Scarlet Globe which I picked somewhat randomly. Ever planted French Breakfast? When I do plant radishes, those are the kind I like.
planning on growing some green beans again this year. Never seems like i get a ton but i think its a combo of planting too many seeds + animals eating them.What kind of green beans do you guys like? I was thinking a species that climbs might work better for my setup.
>That time of the year when you're just waiting for things to happenMan... the serviceberries at the local parks and stuff are just starting to turn into fruits after blooming, still have a while to wait on those. All my perennials are now establishing for their first year (new house) so waiting on those.
>>2868207I picked up some Hydrangeas because they can bloom spring, summer, and fall. I have never seen any homes around with them. They started drooping when temps went above 85F, oh that's why. Does everything just shit itself over 85F? Are the nativefags right all along?Also bought creeping thyme seeds from Amazon a few months ago. They were actually petunia seeds. I looked at multiple other brands. Every pic posted under the reviews are petunias and average score 4/5. Wtf. I just wanted something that would like nice growing between big ass stones and drooping out of large wooden planter.
>>2868421>Are the nativefags right all along?
>>2868421A lot of plants aren't meant to be out in the open without protection taking direct Sun. Also yes photosynthesis shits itself over 85F.
>>2868513I have them under a magnolia with near full shade. I just checked with a temp gun and it's the second coolest spot in my yard. My patio is weirdly the hottest.
How do you guys stop animals and bugs from just raping everything?
>>2868220We're on page 10 and it seems like we're actually maxing out posts or something, when phoneposting brave does weird shit I have never seen before, so I guess it's fair to do a new thread, even when this one might stick around for a few more days?I'll do one later, when I'm at my PC
>>2868201I currently have 9.5 kilos on me rnThat's like 19lbs
>>2868548Largest variant in my collectionThese weight 250grams each roughly
>>2868549And here's the final picRed squares are low fiber kinds
>>2868550I'm so fucking jelly>>2868543Netting or fleece
New >>2868554
>>2866644lol, 10/10
