>>4296944
I dunno, seems kinda gay.

>>4296944
I question pentax’s love of reflex when they really just tried and failed to sell mirrorless cameras, but their older SLRs like the k10d are good deals for destitute newbies. Better than buying a flimsy micro four thirds. Too bad anything newer or FF is hideously overpriced for being somewhat shit - due to youtubers, probably. Like that asian who fakes dynamic range tests.

>>4296944
they should go full retard and get into the digital range finder business. if they don't they're just dead

>>4296996
They’re going to go full retard and try and re-produce their old film cameras because they cant do whats right (make DSLRs with the sensor plane back where the film plane used to be and a whole fucking 35mm sensor for PDAF)
tech IS there but it would be expensive

why are you guys talking as if Pentax is a legitimate business. They're just a hobby division of Ricoh, funded by the GR3 sales

>>4296999
>DSLRs with the sensor plane back where the film plane used to be
It is there, retard. What was the last time you needed an adapter to use a 35mm lens on the same mount DSLR?

>>4297029
>being this dumb
DSLRs are oversized pieces of shit because the front of the mount and sensor plane are shifted forward in the chassis. A bunch of garbage electronics and screen junk are piled up behind the sensor. FIlm cameras were more compact because the only thing behind the film plane was a few mm of steel.

Let's not even get stared on the ergonomic horror of putting buttons on the side of the mirror box (that now protrudes 3x more than it should)

>>4296987
>the k10d are good deals for destitute newbies
Too bad any of the decent lenses aren't.

>>4297030
>using the back of the camera as your reference point for the focal plane
Full retard, it's the rest of the camera that is measured against the mount not the other way round.
You can't have the needed electronics without stuffing some behind the sensor. My EOS 30 and my EOS 100D (aka SL1) are roughly the same thickness from the mount. My full frame DLSR bodies are just slightly thicker, not relevant at all in real use.
/p/ is a board for spergs to sperg about non-issues, this is even more ridiculous than the K-1 II seething.

>>4297048
just put a m42 takumar on it bro

>>4297053
>You can't have the needed electronics without stuffing some behind the sensor
They could always cut a hole out of the main board and use a quad package for the imager.

>the K-1 II seething
What's that?

>>4297056
>They could always cut a hole out of the main board and use a quad package for the imager.
nonsense
>What's that?
The nipticking over supposed "flaws" the K-1 II has that aren't relevant to anyone but the people looking for a reason to say it's bad.

>>4297061
>nonsense
Why's that?

>>4297056
The k1ii’s a genuinely awful camera and kaf4 lenses are genuinely bad. Its really rare for FF gear to actually be shit but pentax pulled it off. Just but a 5d classic. Its actually a better camera.

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I love my KayPee like a child

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>>4297061
>supposed flaws
>reality is supposed

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>>4297120
>Just but a 5d classic. Its actually a better camera.
Spoken like someone who never used either in his entire life.
I'd rather use a D5100 than a 5D classic

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>>4297120
Bullshit but I believe it

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I'm looking for a DSLR to complement my Ricoh GR but wondering what a Pentax would give me over, say, a Canon 6D. I'm only looking to spend £450 for a camera and nifty 50.

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>>4297579
They are more or less the same. The upside of shooting Pentax is that you won't be associated with Canon shooters who are all tools

>>4297579
Gain IBIS, lose lens IS

You also lose access to competently designed and produced lenses made after 1975, competently programmed autofocus, good color science, and your heterosexuality. Just get a canon 6d(II). Pentax essentially went out of business for a reason.

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I tried if I could improve this picture with Raw Therapee

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>>4297584
I don't even know what I'm supposed to do with raw development software. Usually I either shoot JPEG or use in-camera raw development. For me raw seems like a massive waste of time

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>>4297586
>For me raw seems like a massive waste of time
Then don't do it? I personally like shooting raw, but nothing says you have too if you're not getting anything out of it

>>4297583
6Dii is out of my budget. OG 6D is plenty for me.

>>4297584
>>4297586
Raw makes sense if you use good software (capture one). If you use some fosstard shit it turns into build your own color science for each individual photo.

Raws are not photos, they are monochrome grids. They are only as good as the program that converts them.

>>4297583
>made after 1975
They had good designs into the 1990's

>>4297591
>1/180 X-Sync
><100% VF coverage
Why not get a 5D series camera?

>>4297621
They had sufficient, not good, optics

They’re not nikon/canon/minolta

>>4297636
Reminder that almost every great photo was taken before 1975

>>4297638
Spoken like a true dilettante afraid to have a wrong opinion
>i won’t like any of this music until 30 years later so i can know if its good or not also no one i respect made top 10 lists yet

>>4297641
No, it's spoken like someone who isn't a gearfag that thinks a better mtf chart has no correlation to photo quality

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Another experiment with Raw Therapee, this time my objective was to add some colourful punch without going overboard

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>>4297646
Result

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>>4297646
>>4297648
And after half an hour of tweaking I still prefer the camera JPEG

>>4297645
>is accused of being afraid to follow contemporary art because survivorship bias makes up 100% of his taste
>brings up a semi obscure technical term and seethes about expensive gear
Yep. Dilettante. You are mentally ill. I am better than you.

Seethe.

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Evening view over the lake

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>>4297584
>>4297586
needs highlight reconstruction, the sky reflection in the puddle is fucked
>I don't even know what I'm supposed to do with raw development software
less is more
enable chroma noise reduction, highlight reconstruction, sigmoid tonemapping
also just turn on all lens corrections unless it looks worse that way
then just play with exposure and ignore everything else
once you're comfortable doing that then try use the tone equalizer to massage the tonemapping curve (RT implements it in the HSV equalizer)
then after that you can play with color correction (again HSV equalizer in RT, separate module in DT)
>>4297646
>>4297648
if you don't mind, share the RAWs and I'll take a try at it, and tell you what settings I used

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>>4297579
Pentax is the only one of the Big 6™ that has top-tier dust and weather sealing at entry-level and above. Also great shock ratings and also the only brand that, again starting at entry-level, is rated for sub-freezing operation.

I'm /out/ and it's the only camera for me. Been in absolute pouring rain and way below freezing many times and never caused the slightest problem.

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>>4297765
That’s nikon, actually, but they have cameras and lenses below entry level in a market segment pentax allows all the used FA junk to fill.

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>>4297721
Thanks a lot for your tips Anon. They will be useful if I edit on my computer more often. Here are two raw files if you would like to take a look.

PICT1498.PEF
14 MB
https://litter.catbox.moe/j6e4zs.PEF

PICT1492.PEF
13.2 MB
https://litter.catbox.moe/8l4pvl.PEF

Pic unrelated, just enjoyed the contrast & dark mood of the foreground vs. bright clouds in the background. Managed a sharp 1/6s by holding the camera against a tree

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>>4297765
I remember your pictures Anon. They are very cool!

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>>4297947
>>4297946
>PEF
Learn to DNG mate

I’m going to get a k3 iii and become the best Pentax bird/nature/landscape photographer of all time. I already have an arsenal of vintage k mount lenses. I will also acquire the autofocus adapter. See you later nerds

>>4298428
Or should I get a k70 and spend the rest of the money on the 150-450 lens?

>>4298428
>pentax for bird photography
lol

>>4298493
This guy clearly needs a 3 thousand camera because he can’t track a subject on his own lol

>>4298573
Pentax cant even track with single point AF…
Unless you NEED it to be a bargain apsc dslr just buy a canon 5diii

>>4298583
Idk mane it can be that hard right? The k3iii has 100 points. It’s no mirrorless with like 6000 but it can still be done

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This one turned out so nice I even developed it at 6 MP

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Bracketing is a very useful feature, can't believe I never tried it before

>>4299066
What does this accomplish idk what bracketing is

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>>4299093
It snaps 3 or 5 pics with varying exposure, great for us JPEG snappers

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>>4299093
It takes a number of shots at -1 , 0 and +1 EV (or -2, +2, if you do 5 shots) You can then either combine them in post to get better DR or you can just pick whichever looks the best if you're not sure what you want your exposure to be.

I used to do it a lot when I first started, but then I realized it just took forever to cull and it was never really that helpful when I could just move my exposure by that much anyway with my raws.

>>4299093
Hdr hole. He'll be back in 2 years saying he Wasted his time.

>>4299093
Hdr hole. He'll be back in 2 years, saying how he Wasted his time. Or he needs to feed his growing family.

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It was a low contrast scene

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>>4299339
K-7 allows 0.5 EV to 2 EV bracketing. Or 1/3 EV to 2 EV if you set the camera to use 1/3 EV exposure step size. I use 1/2 EV

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There's also extended bracketing

>>4299341
What i meant with this (>>4299405) is that it was a low contrast scene. There was no need for pseudo HDR trickery

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>>4297946
alright, played with these earlier this week but didn't have time to post anything
disclaimer I use darktable, RT terminology/modules will be different
this is a comparison of >>4297646 on the top left, >>4297648 on the top right, my basic typical edit on the bottom left, and a more involved edit to push sky saturation on the bottom right
I typically go for a pretty minimal edit myself, with just technical and tone curve adjustments, just my taste
that's what I did on the bottom left, first applied my current standard profile then tweaked a little
current profile:
>sigmoid tonemapping
>as-shot white balance (I always use daylight in-camera WB aka neutral, even under tungsten)
>in-camera exposure adjust compensation
>highlight reconstruction
>hot pixel correction
after that I added lens correction (all three distortion+vignetting+latCA because landscape), and pulled down the sky exposure with the tone equalizer
then to tweak it closer to what appears your taste, I adjusted chroma +9% shadow saturation -30% highlight saturation +38%
on the bottom right, I started with my basic profile + lens correction again
then I added three separate tone equalizers with masks:
>mid-tone pull-up, gradient mask on snow
>mid-high-tone pull-down, gradient mask on sky
>mid-low-tone pull-up, bezier mask on buildings & left foreground vegetation
then I cranked up the global saturation +88%, multi-part mask: gradient on sky and beziers on the bigger puddles to match

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>>4299446
forgot to mention I also bumped the exposure +2EV on the first edit +1EV on the second
I feel more comfortable pulling highlights rather than pushing shadows in the tone equalizer, but that's just preference again

anyways second photo
you didn't post "unedited", so top middle is what the RAW looks like when I import it into darktable (I turned off all the default defaults so I start all photos with as much a clean slate as possible)
bottom left is your edit, bottom right is mine
once again default profile applied, +2EV, and all lens corrections
again pulling down the highlights (sky) by -0.93EV ~ -1.55EV depending on the part of the curve
finally shadow saturation -43%, highlight saturation +61%

>>4298085
explain the difference first

>>4299066
personally haven't found much use for exposure bracketing, like >>4299339 said I get enough DR from the raws it doesn't really help
I can see some situations where it might be useful even then, so I'm glad I have access to it if needed

>>4299066
>bracketing aperture not SS
Wut.

>>4299468
Why would you braket SS? For HDR? Braketing aperture is for picking your favorite dof without having to squint and zoom around your screen in the field and maybe lose the shot.

>>4299471
>does not into hyperfocal distance
>brackets aperture changing brightness, claims dof concerns
>pentax user
i see, i see. many such cases.

>>4299468
>>4299471
My bad. I usually use the hyper program and K-7 seems to bracket with aperture at least in that mode & lighting situation. Had the aperture been fixed at f/11 the bracketed shutter speeds would have been 1/60, 1/30, 1/15, 1/8, 1/4.

>>4299446
>>4299448
Much appreciated Anon

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Sv mode seems to bracket with fixed aperture

>>4296987
Well yea. That is the niche that they found themselves in. It's too late to get into mirrorless and I don't think pentax had enough resources to compete with the other guys when it was still viable to produce a brand new mirrorless system, so now they are stuck.

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Some bright colourzz

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i might snag a second hand k70 as my first dslr. i heard about the solenoid issues but seems like a good purchase otherwise. i like the option of using vintage lenses
the k5 also looks like a good option. any other models i should consider?

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>>4303492
Single-digit models should be safer with regards to solenoid failures

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Just last week it was snowy as shyt

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Gave the astrotracer function in my K3iii a go on Monday, worked pretty well, just wish I had a wider lens than 24mm for it

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Daymn son

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>>4304129

>>4304129
>>4304130
Back when Pentax was still a real company and not some printer company’s side hobby

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I still don't quite understand how the dynamic range expansion werks. It just sets the minimum ISO to 200 instead of 100. So does it work only at base ISO? If I set the ISO to 800 will I get expanded dynamic range?

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>>4304972
Its just underexposing to protect highlights and pushing shadows and midtones with a different luma curve that roughly corresponds to 1 iso stop worth of gain.

i just got a k70 as my first dslr and my goodness there are so many settings.
are there any guides of what some good defaults are?

>>4305202
I wouldn't take these recommendations as facts, but it probably gives you some of the more important settings to consider.
https://www.pentaxforums.com/reviews/pentax-k-70-review/recommended-settings.html

>>4305207
that's good thanks, I have to give the manual a good read

>>4304974
That makes sense. In >>4304972 f/8 became f/11, but at the same time ISO is increased to 200. Why is this? Doesn't this keep the "effective" exposure at 0 EV?