I bought a D700 off ebay some time in 2019ish before the youtube people made it inflate in price.I don't see a reason to upgrade, everything seems like diminishing returns. Don't need any more megapixels, autofocus is fast enough, build quality is great, body is a tank, color science is great, great lens ecosystem.What are honestly the advantages of upgrading? More muh megapixels? I don't see the point when this thing is perfect. Even the newest hottest most basedest 2024 shit is like 10% better at most, and thats in niche scenarios.
>gear bait thread>posts a camera from google imagesUse the camera you like the most>but if you- the- according to this- the codec dynamic range chart- cost value analysis-Use the camera you like the most
>>4304246> I don't see a reason to upgradeThen don’t, faggot./threadAll fields
>>4304246That's nice, why not show us some pics you took with it? I'll be nice, I promise.
>>4304246There hasn't been a meaningful improvement to image quality since ~2013. Really when buying a camera today you should be more concerned with ergonomics in a total sense. By that I mean button placement, grip, size, weight, EVF/OVF quality, tactile feel. There are some neat features in modern camera that I personally find very helpful, such as manual focus punch in and articulating screens. You also have lens selection, which is arguably more important than a specific camera body. So to answer your initial question. Yes, it is well within diminishing returns in pure image quality. But there are other considerations which may make it worth it to buy something newer.
>>4304246Only you can make the judgement of whether it's worth upgrading to a newer camera or not. Upgrading to even a D800 over a D700 gets you a lower base sensitivity, higher dynamic range, and better low light performance. I have both a D800 and a D3, which is basically a D700 with a bigger battery, extra card slot, and integrated vertical grip. I like the look of the D3 for portraits, and I still use it on occasion for this purpose, as I don't feel that it's necessary to capture a whole 36MP of detail all the time.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNIKON CORPORATIONCamera ModelNIKON D3Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 12.4 (Windows)Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaColor Filter Array Pattern778Focal Length (35mm Equiv)85 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2023:07:31 11:55:31Exposure Time1/640 secF-Numberf/1.8Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating800Lens Aperturef/1.8Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo FlashFocal Length85.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlLow Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknown
>>4304319I do, however primarily use the D800, because of the aforementioned reasons, and I like the extra detail most of the time.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNIKON CORPORATIONCamera ModelNIKON D800Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 12.4 (Windows)Maximum Lens Aperturef/1.7Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaColor Filter Array Pattern844Focal Length (35mm Equiv)85 mmImage-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2023:07:31 11:33:17Exposure Time1/40 secF-Numberf/1.8Exposure ProgramAperture PriorityISO Speed Rating1600Lens Aperturef/1.8Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternLight SourceUnknownFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length85.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandardGain ControlHigh Gain UpContrastNormalSaturationNormalSharpnessNormalSubject Distance RangeUnknown
Do boomers still only buy camera bodies that have dual memory card slots? That might be one factor as well
>>4304318>There hasn't been a meaningful improvement to image quality since ~2013Noisewise, yeahThrow in shadow recovery... it's not so clear cut. The Z6II has better shadow recovery than the D750, D800, D810, etc. The Z7II might be a little worse than the D850, a little.It alsp depends on what you tolerate lenswiseSure, if you buy top tier primes (on DSLRs these get fucking BIG) and professional telephoto zooms, things have changed very little. But mid tier primes and zooms have gotten much sharper and smaller on mirrorless, ala rangefinder lenses, especially since the image circle no longer needs to even look like a photo before corrections - see canon 10-20mm. And it's gotten a lot easier to get a 24-70 f2.8 that's as sharp as most primes were historically. I don't think shit like the sony 20-70 f4 or the sheer quality of nikon's kit zooms was doable on DSLRs, at least not at the same size and price point.
>>4304326>throw in shadow recoverythe 2012 D4 would like to have a word with you
>>4304328But then you have to use a D4
>>4304246>I bought a d700But did you use itShit bro do you even have oneLet's see your pictures or at least a picture of your camera[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeAppleCamera ModeliPhone SE (3rd generation)Camera Software17.3.1Sensing MethodOne-Chip Color AreaFocal Length (35mm Equiv)28 mmImage-Specific Properties:Image Width2667Image Height2000Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2024:04:14 14:10:57Exposure Time1/28 secF-Numberf/1.8Exposure ProgramNormal ProgramISO Speed Rating640Lens Aperturef/1.8Brightness-1.1 EVExposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length3.99 mmColor Space InformationUncalibratedImage Width4032Image Height3024Exposure ModeAutoWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandard
>>4304246But you can spend $3k and base your entire personality on a modern camera and pretend it makes you a good photographer without having to learn anything about photography at all. Success in photography is not about photos or popularity, it’s about having the camera with the highest specs.
>>4304357You sound bitter and delusional. No one said this. Did you maybe try and say your mft camera had more dynamic range than full frame and get pwned?
>>4304329What a lovely experience.DF exists if you just wanna have fun.
>>4304366Try bringing up how anything over 24mp is pointless and see how you go around here, or how mirrorless view finders have lag compared to optical. These things really trigger the modern mirrorless photography user who would have been better buying an old dslr but refuse to admit it.
>>4304246The D810e was the ultimate Nik. Big jump up in noise/img quarity, works with every lens evarrrr, F mount so affordabibble, 36 MEGA PICKSUHLS. I don't know why you'd bother with a 700. Get the 810 or sell it all and go full Z, like those fucking russians, just not totally like the retarded neighbor-murdering cuntbag motherfucking god damned russians. The good Z. Nigga you can get a fuckin used Z7 for like a thousand bones with 45 megasmurfs and just call it a day. ...then spend $6000 on like 2 good lenses. Yea they getcha on the glass. Protip: 14-30mm + 85mm Prime = cleanliness/godliness[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution150 dpiVertical Resolution150 dpiImage Width600Image Height676
>>4304369>over 24mp is pointlessIt depends on what you shoot and how you shoot it. Usually, this goes like>NO YOUR WANTS ARE WRONG STOP DOING THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES BETTER CAMERAS FUN'Cuz it's not about photography to you. Never has been.>EVF lagNever seen it unless shooting fucking hummingbirds or using the digital loupe.Now, can I see your camera?Notice I am not asking for your photos.I doubt you ever took any. And if you did, they probably suck.
>>4304372Didn't they change from a metal lens mount to a metal bayonet attached to plastic between the d800 and d810? Kek
>>4304318>>4304246Im using a D7000 right now, whats the next step to full frame? D600?
>>4304392Pentax K1ii
>>4304393The Pentax kr was my first DLSR from 2012-2014 when the shutterbox broke. I moved on to nikon since then and now I have 8 Nikon lens and only two Kmounts. both are manual focus old glass
>>4304392I'd get a D800 unless you're really budget-constrained. I'll never be getting rid of mine.
>>4304392D800e probably
>>4304400>>4304401whats a safe shuttercount for used 800s?
>>4304403Nikon only tested them to 200k. Some have gone further. Some "tried the weather sealing" and died at 100k.
I own both a D700 and a D800, I'll explain some things.The colors and overall image quality are almost the same, on the same lenses. The D800 does higher ISOs and has a lower base ISO as well as more megapickles.The biggest difference is AF. The D800 curbstomps it. I have underwater housings for both and the D700 will hunt underwater where as the D800 nails it first time every time. D800 does low light AF better. Compared to the rest of the Jewtoob hypebeast cams the D700 is still a good deal. I paid 200 for mine after Jewtoobers hyped them. It doesn't sensor-band like the 5Dinosaur in the shadows. And with the advent of Z mount the DSLRs are coming down, I have seen my D800 for 500 bucks.
>>43043193 cameras to take snapshits of your mom
>>4304415nta, but I think that's a really nice candid shot of his mom.
>>4304415As opposed to what blurry hobos?
>>4304415Since when do a D3 and a D800 make three cameras?
>>4304410>d700 for 200Was the guy selling it for crack or had like 230k shutter count?
>>4304668That's cheap, but not much below market rate. I see them on MPB in decent condition for $250.
>>4304668Why wouldn't a first generation budget full frame body be $200 now?
>>4304736eceleb price inflation
>>4304670250 euros or pounds? That's like 450us or 500cnd.
>>4304793USD, hence the "$". :P
>>4304736Why can't we buy a d750 for peanuts? We can buy other expensive tech toys from 2014, like the iphone 6 plus, 2014 macbook pro 15" retina, etc in the $100-$200 range.And yet ebay boomers continue thinking it's sane to pay $1500 for a d750 and a soft as shit slightly decentered zoom lens from 2008. This is like paying a grand for a Camera sellers, and most camera buyers, are actual retards who have mistaken plastic japanese consumer electronics with multiple recalls out for luxury watches.
>>4304847>This is like paying a grand for aWhat the fuck I typed paying a grand for a . I didn't type nothing there, i typed " "
So these are overflated prices? The one in the middle has a shutter count of 300,000
>>4304847you can instantly find a d750 on ebay for $600 nobody is paying $1500 for one
>>4304855>$600ripoff. $200 less than a used z6 or less beat up d780, wow.should be $350 tops for a decent one.
>>4304854Yeah that's kind of fucked. I paid $380 USD for my D800. Don't bother with the D800E. You get nothing extra except aliasing artifacts in some images whereas the D800 has none.
everything is fucked then
>>4304874Hit the guy under that with a $350 offer unless it's fucked
>>4304875>doesnt list the shutter countwhy the fuck are people so dumb they cant do the one thing that will help their camera sell?no way he will take 350 for it when he can clearly see other cameras selling for more than that
>>4304372>just not totally like the retarded neighbor-murdering cuntbag motherfucking god damned russiansDon't tell me what not to do.
>>4304877Because it's probably 200k kekBuying anything good and old off ebay is impossible. It's all doubled in price because of forum and youtube comment sections flocking there. You have to watch craigslist/fb market, and be ready to negotiate.
>>4304885its even worse locally..
>>4304847Because photographic purchases, for most people, are personal luxury items unnecessary to their profitable work.There is no "need" to upgrade their equipment or even own it to begin with.Digital cameras also have a much longer lifespan than other electronics.A 1990's DSLR with still produce the same photos that it always did, just on a slightly more inconvenient storage device.Meanwhile, any non 4G/5G capable cellular phone has been rendered useless in North America and pre-Core laptops struggle with most multimedia applications.
>>4304877>why the fuck are people so dumb they cant do the one thing that will help their camera sell?It's not their business.They'll probably sell 2 DSLRs in their entire life, at most.>no way he will take 350 for it when he can clearly seeYou called the guy dumb and now you're talking up his retail prowess? Make up your mind.
>>4304886>implying local sellers will EVER sell for asking priceLol. Not unless it's already a bargain - or stolen gear/estate sale fodder and a bargain.You could probably buy the d810 for $600. The D800+lens+grip+4 batteries for $550 is a fair price - remember if you bought it body only on ebay you'd pay another $50-60 in shipping and tax. If you sold the grip and lens you'd get $200 off = $350 D800.
>>4304886what lenses are in that $1000 package? it might be $1000 worth of lenses
>>4304896The grip one is good but its 2.5 hrs from me to get it. The $1000 one is in green bay, over 3.5 hours from me. any savings Id have would be negated by the cost to drive there and backonly close one is this with 15K clicks
>>4304736Because people are willing to pay more than that, and that's what sets the monetary value of things.>>4304847>Camera sellers, and most camera buyersIf the buyers are willing to pay that much then the sellers seem anything but stupid for asking it. You're just salty as fuck because the end result is that you can't afford the toy you want.
>>4304891dumb people can see $ and think "i see price-i want price" its why you have boomers who have the no lowballers mentality. they see a number and want it like everyone else.
>>4304904>2.5hrsWhats that, $50 in gas?Make the drive, sell the grip and lens (you already have lenses) for the ~$200 off. Or pay the convenience fee and offer $500 for the 15k click one and be glad you didn't have to pay $50 in extra fees.
>>4304885>Buying anything good and old off ebay is impossibleThere are still some good prices to be had.
>>4304898>Everything you need to get out and start taking professional photos. Includes the camera body, three lenses, battery grip, spare batteries, speed light, cleaning accessories, and carrying bag. >Lenses: >Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 wide angle FX>Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8 non-vc, FX>Nikon 35mm f/1.8 DX (crop sensor)>The camera and lenses alone are worth over $1000, so you’re basically getting everything else for free. Pickup east GB near Red Smith.not bad. 7 hours round trip at 430 miles would be about $80 in gas
>>4304922The lenses are worth maybe $800 together. the tamron 24-70 is ok, but not great.worth it
>>4304927he conveniently left out the shuttercount on the body. ill send him a message and see, if all goes well ill snag it this weekend
>>4304927>the tamron 24-70 is ok, but not greatIt also doesn't work right with the FTZ, which is (partly) why the used prices on these fell a lot in recent years.For DSLR definitely a great bang for the buck right now.
>>4304904God, Nikon vertical grips are ugly.
>>4304905>Because people are willing to pay more than thatIt depends on the model.I see 5D Mark II's going for about $200.
>>4304906Plenty of boomers have bills to pay too.I've bought a lot of camera stuff by offering two-thirds or less of what the list price was.
>>4305016Probably because canon DSLRs are junk with mft-tier sensors. Like the 5dsr, 50mp? Yes. Don't bother going over ISO 100.
>>4305018The 5D Mk II sensor is certainly not as good as the ones Sony and Nikon were putting out at that time, but it blows the fuck out of anything in MFT.
>>4304837They're old used up rags of cameras that's why ... if you're gonna get a dslr in todays world at least get one that will continue to have some life left in it.
>>4304869meh. the z6 is only 2 years younger than d750, has same image quality, and is only an improvement for having from ibis and 4k video - things not everyone cares about. it SHOULD be worth only $200 more.as for d780, where do you see those for less than $1200
>>4305201The Z6 has much better image quality (better DR), and can use superior Z mount lenses that btfo all F mount harder than EF mount btfo'd F mount. Why do you think canon was the #1 brand when nikon had better sensors? Lenses. The average F mount lens is worse than its EF counterpart.
can someone tell my why everyone is dumping mirror box cameras for Z mount? it just because because its more portable and smaller?
>>4305225[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop 25.6 (Windows)Image-Specific Properties:Image Width841Image Height595Number of Bits Per Component8, 8, 8Pixel CompositionRGBImage OrientationTop, Left-HandHorizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2024:04:17 07:54:31Color Space InformationUncalibratedImage Width1682Image Height1190
>>4305225The prime lenses are the best in the industry. Their only reasonable competition is sony’s 1.4 GM primes… vs cheaper f1.8 S lines. The professional 1.2s, telephoto primes, and named lenses (noct, plena) are just better than everyone elses. The zoom lenses range between the best, to slightly different from canon. All canon has over nikon right now is a huge soft 24-105 f2.8 and a 28-70 f2. Not even mentioning the MFT tier scam lenses that vary to f8. Nikon also has the best long zoom, the 180-600. It’s the same speed as snoys but sharper with a wider range.
>>4305232Sony cant be reasonable competition because then you have to use a sony>etz adapterOh right
>>4304885>>4304914Nevermind, the lens is busted.
>>4304885>>4304914>>4305340https://files.catbox.moe/agixi3.mp4RIP
>>4305222>Why do you think canon was the #1 brand when nikon had better sensors?because Canon lenses had internal autofocus motors when Nikon was still fucking around with screwdrive, and Nikon never recovered
>>4305353This, also electronic aperture but I'm not sure it's an advantage at all
>>4304246It matters more if your camera is just a hobby (dedicated outings) or also a lifestyle thing (take camera to places just because). In the latter case upgrading to a newer mirrorless does help. the back screens are a lot better and they're faster to shoot. not FPS fast shooting (but that too). the VF is optional, the lens is stopped down for the view and there's a focus magnifier that makes manual a lot faster, the auto-autofocus is magic and exposure preview means you don't have to spot meter in difficult scenes. these dont matter as much if its just your hobby to go on photowalks, a DSLR can manage even with sports/wildlife. a DSLR might even better if you're night shooting, since there's no low light EVF lag/noise.
>>4305349Top kek
>>4305353fuck internal autofocus motors all my homies hate internal autofocus motorsscrewdrive niggas will live forever!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>4308066Preach, brother. Internal AF is a scam by Big Lens to screw with the used market and make us buy new.
>>4305349Is that lens not a tilt model?
>>4308079pro bodies cost less than pro lenses so why wouldnt they be the expendable partespecially used gear, why rely on a lens that might chew up its contacts when you can have a sturdy as shit screw drive and swap bodies when they inevitably die
This Asian girl is selling a D810 with 85k shutter and lens grip and batteries for $800, should I offer her 700?
>>4308855>asian girl>willing to meet up agree to whatever price and meetupthen tire kick price down
>>4308856What are you saying, Asians are pushovers on price?
>>4308859Yes also crack some jokes and have sex with her
>>4308890She has a Korean boyfriend according to her profile buddy
>>4308895So?[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeCanonCamera ModelCanon EOS 80DCamera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Camera Raw 11.0 (Macintosh)Maximum Lens Aperturef/2.8Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution72 dpiVertical Resolution72 dpiImage Created2018:10:10 12:38:27Exposure Time1/200 secF-Numberf/11.0Exposure ProgramManualISO Speed Rating100Lens Aperturef/11.0Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length100.00 mmColor Space InformationsRGBRenderingNormalExposure ModeManualWhite BalanceAutoScene Capture TypeStandard
>>4308855$600 IMO. That lens is dogshit by the way.
>>4308908Unfortunate. I don’t have an FX lens in that range currently. I can body-only d810s for $650-700, but I thought the lens and extra batteries and grip was a nice bonus. I’m not sure if I will even use the grip
>>4308912I would consider the lens worth $0 in the deal.
>>4308912You can sell the lens for $150 or $200 easyIt is worth money and the batteries would probably be $100 ($80 for nikon $20 for 2x third party) if you had to buy them yourself
>>4304246No, it's actually everything better than a d610 is diminishing returns. D750 if you INSIST on shooting from 2 feet off the ground.All you can do past that is double your megapixels or buy into a premium lens mount where the gear costs double for 50% more resolution. Worth it? Absolutely, but this site is plagued with as many broke bitches who lost their money in crypto scams as it is with rich bitches.
>>4304246everything after the F2 is diminishing returns
>>4308895He can clean up after you get done.
Dated DSLR bros, I'm seeing a bunch of d200, d70 etc videos coming up on youtube lately. They were always there, but it's accelerating.The end is near. Grab your old nikons while you can. The normies are waking up. Next thing you know we'll run out of af-d 24mms, 12-24 f4s, and dx 35 f1.8s.
>>4308982Whew I’m safe for another day[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Image-Specific Properties:Image OrientationTop, Left-HandColor Space InformationUncalibratedImage Width1084Image Height1280
>>43089822 d200 videos and a d500 video in the past week ITS OVERTHE STREET PHOTOGRAPHERS FOUND OUT NOBODY CARES IF THEY USE A DSLR
>>4308982nonono please no I was just thinking about picking up a bunch of DX lenses. At least I have a D40 already.
