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raw CCD output

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At this point I got about 2 hours of VHS recordings from the last year. I've posted it to YT and even tried tiktok with zero exposure

>>4314071
That actually does look pretty good.
What's this one from?

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>>4314075
an 80s Panasonic camera, in low light it gets noisy, but in daylight it does well.

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>>4314078

>>4314064
just make a v/h/s ripoff and people will ate that shit up

>>4314087
I can do plenty of VHS recordings but I want to make some money off this. If I could sell sessions for $40 I could pay for all the equipment and batteries I bought in 2 sessions. I have two identical cameras so I can even go for the multi-angle artistc approachic

>>4314064
I'm a little confused here, what's going on?
I understand you are hacking old cameras and shooting to a secondary slave device rather than recording to VHS, but this looks decent.

Was interlacing shit done between the sensor readout and writing to VHS and did you bypass that for a real 60p global shutter 640x480 feed? or did you de-interlace this? or is this footage sped up?

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>>4314105
Thats true but thats not what I did for that video.

Like you said, I can do it that - do a direct video out from the camera to a capture card - which will give me a 29.97 fps 480i uncompressed file, which I then filter and deinterlace into 60fps progressive file (and then make mp4s or webms from it)

I can also the do the same thing BUT record to tape, and then feed a tape player video out to the capture card.. etc. Thats what's going on in that webm.

What you are seeing is a de-interlaced 60fps video, more closely to what "tape" video actually looked like. Tape CAN look good provided you have a decent quality tape/capture path. Throughout the 90s/00s however the only way to digitize tapes was to record them to DVDs at whatever shitty resolution the player gave you, locked in at 29fps interlaced footage.

>>4314064
what vhs camera has a 1/2" ccd? I would be interested in buying that

>>4314064
No.
LoFi > Looking unintentionally like shit. > Looking intentionally like actual shit from the anus.

>>4314118
Most cameras from the 80s I think. By the time VHS-C cameras came around they switched to 1/8" sensors

>>4314064
Broooooo. I got this big bitch and would love to not hassle with vhs tapes. I really like the look of the video it produces.

Can you recommend me a portable capture card, possibly with a screen? The ccd viewfinder is in b&w, so I can't confirm the white balance is properly set.

I have a vhs player + capture card + obs that I use to record my videos with, but a portable solution would be so much better.

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>>4314064
Oops. Forgot pic. Got this for 80 bucks at an auction. In the 90s these cameras were over 7k dollars new.

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>>4314164
Nice, you got an SVHS tape and an SVCR too? hell yeah

i tried using one of those Ninja portable HD screens but it doesnt accept the lowest resolution of the camera input

>>4314154
>>4314164
Oh I thought you meant like a camcorder. That makes more sense, but I'm not willing to take a shoulder mount camera with me places

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>>4314231
I do mean like a camcorder. These 80s panasonics have 1/2" CCD sensors which may actually be M43 sensor sized.
The smaller late 90s handheld ones are more portable but the sensor is smaller too

>>4314229
I have a svhs tape, but not player for it. If I realized I would have gotten one instead of my stinky normal vhs player.

My concern is that the video out is those older ports.

Oh yeah, the damn things weighs way too much. I can only shoulder it for like 10-15 mins at a time. You'd also look like a maniac filming at the post office with it.

>>4314236
you will need a special connector in order to get svideo direct output https://www.avsforum.com/threads/oddball-jvc-7-pin-y-c-to-standard-s-video.1442427/

>>4314071
>composite video
>raw
i hate to break it to you anon, but it is heavily processed, and not raw. for fucks sakes you even have a date overlay

>>4314277
Youre right, raw was the wrong word. What I shouldve said was that the image was a direct video output from the camera, as opposed to recording to a vhs tape then capturing the footage from the tape.
This removes the middleman step.

>>4314265
Fug.

Sovl.
HD video was a mistake

>>4314295
Early tube HD cameras are a marvel and have plenty of sovl. It's only when everything went CMOS that the soul was sucked out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW26YMe8iUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbBuBRY3iJ8

>>4314461
>1035i
>upscaled

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>>4314109

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Meant to take a picture

>>4314702
So good

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Comp cuz webm is a pain in the ass

These are really cool. It's disappointing no one wanted to hire you. How do you record directly to a capture card on these? I assume there is a cable for direct TV out, is someone making retrofit units to take SD cards that you plug in from the external out port?

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>>4314785
I already took mine

>>4314805
>>4314810
>>4314829
what camera is this?

>>4315778
First two are off a FinePix S5800 and last one is Pentax Optio Z10

>>4315034
Nice

>>4314236
> Oh yeah, the damn things weighs way too much. I can only shoulder it for like 10-15 mins at a time. You'd also look like a maniac filming at the post office with it.

pussy

>>4316091
I gotta work up to it. It may be a combo of weight + uncomfortable shoulder pad.

You don't understand the temptation I have to do a 1st amendment audit with a huge 90s TV broadcast like camera.

>>4314064
Do you sell these on ebay or something? I'd be interested

>>4315813
Thank you.

I have one but the battery is junk and the tape drive keeps chewing up my tapes. Did you battery work or did you have to diy a battery for it

>>4314935
2nd this question I’m interested as well in learning more. Best of luck OP I think it looks cool as fuck

>>4316223
Do I sell the ones I fix up? Not currently. I'd like to make a video service using multiple vhs cameras as kind of a home-movies-vibe but with a little extras kick
>>4317139
They still make brand new batteries for my cameras, they're about $35 each and can last 1-1.5 hours

>>4317648
>>4314935
its a complex process that involves the video-out jack on the camera to a VCR and a TBC, which is then connected to a USB/AV adaptor into the computer, where it is captured raw, around 28 GBs per hour.
Then you filter and clean the video, then run it through a deinterlacer and eventually down to an x264/x265 codect to your final mp4 which can then be shared on social media,websites,youtube like i did here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQoCyteuDck

unfortunately YT's processing make the video look worse than the original

>>4317861
>28 GBs/hr
Anon of Quality, you can get YT to encode at better quality by rendering vid in high res container
Sticking it in 4k gives higher bitrate for *final* encodes

>>4317869
The issue is that these videos are captured at 720x480 and deinterlaced to 480p. If you know an upscaler that can go from 480 to 4K im all ears but i think it would look just as bad if not worse than the "HQ 480" mode that youtube has now

>>4317870
DaVinci Resolve has several upscale options. I believe setting your timeline to 4k (could always export at lower res, say 1080) is one way of doing it automatically.

If you play around with encoding several test vids at different resolutions/bitrates and upload them to youtube to compare you will see the benefits of increased bitrate.
Check out some youtube upload bitrate/resolution test vids, some pretty good quality is possible.

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>>4317877
Thanks man. I have that program actually but never use it, I'll see what it can do. if it can import 480p or even 720p video then thats a good start.

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>>4319556

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>>4321098

Bones from Team sesh approves this bread

>>4314064
You bet, Zoomers eat up "nostalgia" for breakfast anything that's on tape or looks like it.
>>4314099
you absolutely can, popular among bands, skaters, b-roll for music videos, "retro" subjects like vintage cars, vintage clothing models. Americana, summer sports, gen z could be called the "nostalgic generation" lots of Dough to rake in, frankly.
>>4314236
You got to work out to hold these cameras, overhead extension or something, i use a 25lb dumbbell and hold it for as long as i can. i end up holding camcorders for 2-3 hours at a time with breaks every 30 min.(filming bands). By the third set any camera is heavy.
>>4314935
video av cables(red yellow white) or s-video, even Firewire (if you have software on old OS) or a combination on how you do your audio to computer or analog converter.
>>4317139
Look in the tape deck if the rubber roller next to the other silver rollers if it is moving up and down or the rod its on is snapped that will cause tape bite.Canon camcorders seem to have this problem a lot so i hear. sometimes its just loose and needs to be pushed back on. be careful obviously.

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The CCD trend is so lame, and will eventually be saturated by cheap bandwaggoning by even lamer "artists", eventually leading people to realise it's another cheap capitalisation of nostalgia

The transience of the post-modern cultural graveyard is so depressing, kind of ironic since CCD looks inherently depressing

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OP, this is really cool! 90's nostalgia is hitting hard right now, so hopefully you can find some work with your investment. I really like this clip. >>4321098 It reminds me of going to air shows with my dad as a kid in the early 90's. He had a very expensive camcorder like yours and he loved recording events.

>>4314280
ew why did you admit that asshole was right in any way
You didn't say RAW video
You said "raw video" as in video directly off the camera and unedited
You had it right, that other guy is an autistic wrong faggot

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>>4314064
I have a VHS camera, but instead of getting the raw CCD output I record to VHS and then capture it through a VCR capture card.

What's your setup to capture directly from the camcorder CCD to digital file? You keep a laptop or something in your backpack?

>I've been trying to market myself to zoomers who want the VHS effect but nobody is biting .
They don't know what VHS looks like. They think old CCD footage just looks like their snap/insta filters- They still want HQ Video and using a free garbage filter is easier than actually putting the effort in, but I'm with you.

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>>4327249
The camera. Repair was as simple as new belts and a replacement battery, but unfortunately the lens is fogged up a bit, the coating is starting to come off. I wish I knew how to fix that but I might hunt for a new VHS camcorder on craigslist or something.

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>>4327249
Your right about the "VHS filter" app. Ive seen it and i'll admit its CLOSE but not all the way there, but for zoomers its exactly what they want and its instant. They dont want to wait for me with a giant camera and tape and take 3-5 days to get them back theirvideo that they have to then send to their phones anyway

>>4327249
My camera has an adaptor that lets me send A/V out from a proprietary jack on the camera itself. If im in the field I'll have a laptop wth a USB capture device to get the video ripped right the computer.
Did you 3D a battery adaptor? whats going on there.

>>4327254
You'd have better luck if you provided CCD recording in addition to other recording, like all the stuff a traditional studio did (Wedding photos, social media management, etc) Without offering all that, solely offering "VHS style recording" is going to be a stretch when filters do it instantly and free.

The camera came with a lead battery that was (obviously) dead. What I did was take the case for that battery and cut it open, remove and toss the old cells, then I 3d printed a small bracket that accepts a harbor freight 12v drill battery (Most of these cameras will run off 12v input from a cigarette lighter), and soldered it into the original connectors of the OG battery housing. this way, I have a factory fit removable battery, and a replacement that is cheap and rechargeable- I throw 3 or 4 of them in my bag and I'm good to go, and they cost like 15 bucks. I can record a 2 hour tape on 3 batteries, they are much more energy dense than the OG Lead ones.

The battery: https://www.harborfreight.com/12v-lithium-ion-battery-with-charger-57763.html

I'm sure if you didn't want to go through the effort of building a 3d printed shitty bracket and all that effort you could just solder wires from a pigtail end 12v barrel jack directly to the HF battery and plug it into the power slot of the camera (Usually is covered by the battery so you can't have it plugged in and on battery at the same time.)

I can post more pictures if you want. If you wanted to make money, I might suggest repairing old CCD cameras this way.

Also, you can't use a USB to 12v barrel adapter cable and a portable power bank- When the record head starts it pulls too many amps and shuts off. Drill batteries do not have this problem.

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>>4327259
I dont know if normies even know what CCD is. how can I market myself other than saying "ill record your event on VHS for the authentic look"?

Damn thats genius man. I just bought a new battery off ebay but it was $35 and lasts about 80 minutes on a good day.
12V 2 Amp-hours
I like your idea better because you can get store-available batteries instead of having to seek them out elsewhere.

From what I've seen with the GE cameras I buy (i have 3 of them now) its usually the exact same problem of the gears seizing up when the tape is being loaded in. Its not an easy fix since the problem gears are linked to the whole transport.
If i were a brave man I'd venture into other brands but I know GE stuff (aside from that) works and I have extra peripherals here.

>>4327267
Yeah I think you'd only really get people interested if they were already looking to make a "Vintage" video for a specific reason (Larger youtube channel, etc) but it's just so easy using a shitty filter.

I lot lucky because my camera takes the battery externally- I know a lot of old VHS camcorders are based on a style where the battery slots in- that would have been way harder to do since obviously the drill battery won't fit. It looks like yours is the kind that slots in based on the pic of the battery. I know a lot of panasonics do this.

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How did he beat the system? He got 82K views in a month with only 400 followers, and I've been putting up VHS videos for months that barely scrape 100 views. Did the algorithm just decide on him instead of me?

>>4329675
Probably, that or he bought an ad

>>4329675
Nobody likes incels lmao

>>4314064
Zoomies want the experience, not the service.
They've grown up all their lives blasted with snoy tech bullshit that promises to change the world but doesn't make a fucking difference in how they feel that night
Then they see old tech from the 90s and early 2000s that barely works but gives them an opportunity to do dumb shit with friends and an aesthetic to match without marketing BS like over 9000 megapixels

These products had marketing originally too, but
1) the improvements those marketings promised actually significantly changed the capabilities of technology. Going from 5mp to 10mp to 16mp is huge. But after 20mp you start hitting diminishing returns hard, and past 24mp you don't get a meaningfully better image unless you're cropping heavily AND printing, rather than just sharing primarily through social media. And
2) the marketing is culturally disconnected. It's an artifact to them. To them it's not much different than a millennial or gen x being entertained by the differences in foreign tv, or how millennials appropriated hippie culture in their late teens and early 20s.

Not to mention, I think the purpose of products in the 90s and early 2000s were quite a bit different. Real consumer products existed back then.

So yeah, zoomies are looking for CCD cameras, a lot of them have looked into and discovered the subtle differences in the resulting image. But they don't want to fucking pay for that shit. The point isn't the resulting image, it's about the experience getting there.

>>4331385
Damn I should just quit now then

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>>4331385
I enjoy the thought of zoomers buying up all the CCD cameras
They get to learn on older gear without all the nanny assists and massive dynamic range of modern cameras which in turn will make them better photographers in the long run

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>>4331789
How did you get a nice picture from the D70? I tried that and it just came out flat

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>>4331790
Just install Nikon Capture in a VM and make a custom curve :^D
https://archive.org/details/NikonCaptureVersion4.2.1NSA2005

Or just mess with the curves in your raw editor of choice lol

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>>4331790
Also your pic looks nice? Wouldn't call it flat at all, probably just the lighting

>>4314064
Zoomer here
>I've been trying to market myself to zoomers who want the VHS effect but nobody is biting .
How about you stop trying to milk us with the least available effort and just go out there and make some art with your shit?

>>4332251
I have taken over 30 hours of VHS video since last summer dont worry

I'd say keep at it. Maybe the market will take off and if it won't you at least had some fun filming stuff and did not waste money on buying NFT's or something.

>>4314702
man, this is nice. What capture card are you using?

I have a hi8 camcorder that I would like to do this with. I'd just use tapes and digitize them later but unlike audio cassettes they don't make them anymore.

I also have a mini DVD camcorder that I want to try to get working again but it's not as cool as a tape camcorder, even if I don't end up using the tape.

>>4314935
>These are really cool. It's disappointing no one wanted to hire you
It's all about networking and marketing, I would assume. OP probably isn't enough of a vapid social media addict to make it in that milieu

>>4317139
you can get new batteries. video tape decks can be a bit of a nightmare to work on, hopefully it's just sticky rollers or something but I wouldn't mess with it unless you know VCR repair

>>4321098
>>4323977
Holy shit. this is so cool.

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>>4327214
>CCD looks inherently depressing

>>4331385
>Zoomies want the experience, not the service.
This would make sense. OP, if you're doing the taping yourself and then giving them a finished video, to them it's almost functionally the same as just using software to make it kind of look that way. Actually using it yourself is different entirely. I think you'd be better off:
>continue making your videos and offering the service anyway
>keep posting them
>use your knowledge to find and fix these cameras
>shill them and sell them to people

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>>4333270
the big reason for me offering the service is that the workflow is complex and will turn off zoomers from even bothering with it:
even if i gave one a camera and a blank tape they will still need: a vcr, a tv to watch it on (or an HDMI adaptor), or a USB capture card, capture software, deinterlacer software, video editing software. And you do allll of that and youre left with a MP4 file that still has to get copied to your iphone and then uploaded to social media

I mean i COULD rent out my cameras, let them shoot, and then digitize their stuff for them, at least then they can feel like they "did their own video", but I dont feel comfortable leaving my equipment unsupervised.

>>4333299
The same zoomers who would find that workflow too much are the same ones, I would assume, who, if they wanted that sort of video, would just slap a free shitty "filter" on it and call it a day. The ones who would enjoy that workflow would just do it themselves, I think.

There are probably ones who would enjoy the workflow if it were simplified and already set up for them. Cut out the tape middleman. They aren't making VHS tapes anymore anyway, so let's leave them to people who really want to work with tape. You could refurbish cameras by giving them a good cleaning and stuff, even ones with a broken tape transport (which also seems to be the main failure point). You can do the difficult work of setting it up with a capture card and stuff, and then you can see if there are people willing to buy your converted straight-to-digital-storage VHS camcorder. Then all they have to do is know how to work the camera and maybe plug the capture device into their computer or something.

Since you're already playing with the cameras try setting one up in a way that you could sell it as a standalone thing to someone and see if you actually get any buyers and go from there.

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>>4333352
I thought about that actually. They make these tiny capture screens for HD cameras that you can mount and its basically a screen with an HDD attached to it so you can live capture any video being fed into it.

The VHS cameras I have allow for direct composite video and audio out, HOWEVER these HD screens cannot capture the native resolution of the camcorder which I believe is 320x240interlaced. I tried using one of those video game upscalers (retrotink) which can take a 240i signal and upscale it to 480i. still no luck. This would be the ultimate portable method otherwise

The other option which is more cumbersome is taking a laptop with you and just running the camcorder video right into the USB capture card to the laptop. I've done this with success, however now you will have to go around with a camera and laptop tied into each other while youre shooting which can be awkward in public.
When youre doing it at home (ie tripod, or just shooing with some friend for fun) its a great solution. just have a 6-12' usb cable so you can move around the room and leave the laptop (hell or a desktop at that point) and just shoot until youre done.

You're still left with a massive AVI file that will need to be deinterlaced and shrunken down to a portable size, but hey, you dont need a Tape or a VCR anymore.

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>>4333355
>HD screens cannot capture the native resolution
as in they fuck it up a bit, or they just won't accept the signal? If it's the former then some zooms will still buy it. I don't know if you'd be willing to sell it like that though, you seem like a guy who gives a shit and wouldn't want to build a half-assed thing like that.

>retrotink
>still no luck
why not? What happened?

I've used a composite capture card with a laptop at home. I made some home videos on christmas with a hi8 camera. But people shit on me when I mentioned it somewhere because apparently whatever capture card I was using wasn't good enough. It was a device like in link related (https://www.ebay.com/itm/355703224269), as you can see it's really cheap. I'm sure the people who flamed me were sort of right, but for me the results were adequate. Pic related is a screenshot from a video I took.

Also, I guess it's cheap because the capture card maybe doesn't have to do the heavy lifting, your computer hardware runs software. So maybe that's partially why it's far cheaper as a USB capture card compared to something that is a DVR all by itself complete with a screen.

I wonder if you could swap the laptop for something like a raspberry pi.

>>4333359
That capture USB looks fine to me, I use a hauppauge Live-2 that I got about 10 years ago. It captures at 720x480, when is fed into a program called amarectv. I tried using virtual dub for actual capturing but I couldnt figure it out. I then use a codec called Lagarithmic (LAGS) which is more-or-less a raw capture codec, so 1 hour video is around 26GB. I then run it through editing software to reduce the size etc, etc.

>they just won't accept the signal
This, the HD screen (atomos ninja v is what i was using) just didnt detect any input signal. I think it MAY have been because the upscaler could not make a 480p signal but thats speculation. i dont have any other line doublers to check that theory and they are expensive at it is

What you posted looks fine to me. compared to what i posted here >>4314071 it definitely has a Hi8 feel.

I do have an rpi. its a 3B+, not sure if the processor could handle it, even then i'd need an OS that could run the capture software. and some kind of tiny portable screen so you could see what youre doing.

>>4333369
I think your pi should be fine, a lot of this software seems like XP era stuff so if it could run on an older laptop then potentially similar software can work on a pi running linux. I'm not certain though. It could be worth a try,

bumpin
has anyone here used a DVD handycam before? How does the sensor output direct from the camera compare to hi8 cameras?

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>>4314064
Spoopy.

>>4333352
>>4333299
I don't think most zoomers have the patience, I record on tape and convert the tape to digital via an analog to digital converter, from there i pass the recording off by cloud storage with link in email or unlisted YouTube for them to use a YouTube downloader to rip it. biggest gripe I have is re-recording because you have to replay the video in live time to convert it, and pray the tape or cam doesn't crap out. main selling point is, "you could use and app or editor but the effects are authentic and irreplaceable" . Most zoombies can't sit still for 2 hours watching a tape record let alone 7 seconds.I don't sell my tapes (to hard to find) Its a labor of love that's why I do it.

bumpin

>>4314071
That's very Jeanne Dielman

>>4337931
how so?