any dslr in that price bracket from the late 2000's
any compact from the early 2010's in that price bracket

>>4343332
what's bad about new cameras?

>>4343333
you cant buy one for 200-250€ and get better quality than the latest iPhone thats whats bad

>>4343329
check the used market, raise the budget to 400 and get something better

A used Ricoh GR1 should be easily found for that price. IMO the form factor doesn't get any more normie than that.

>>4343329
>camera for normalfags
>better than iPhone
An Android of some kind maybe

eastern block film cameras will still leave you with enough money for a dozen filmrolls

>>4343766
Electronic autofocus SLRs will leave you with money for two dozen filmrolls

864 photos, if one exposure = one photo, get it right in camera, is enough for a year

>>4343769
>864 photos, if one exposure = one photo, get it right in camera, is enough for a year

lmfao no

Oh hey the xe4. Id recognize that non-descript rectangle anywhere.
I paid something like $600 for mine, but that was before they became desirable.

Its certainly better than my iPhone, even for video.

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>>4343879
based xe4 enjoyer
i miss mine sometimes. besides competing with the x100s, i think the xe line suffered from lack of pancake lenses that were small enough to suit its size. natively there was the 27, the 18, and that's pretty much it

>>4343329
>Is there a nice camera for normies around 200-250€ that's better than a 700€ device?
define nice, normie, and better

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>>4343329
an xe1 with this lens is pretty good i have this setup and its good thanks for posting

>>4343879
I wish I could get my hands on the stuff they're snorting at Fuji HQ. I've been eyeballing the X-E range of cameras for years now and when X-E4 was released I figured I could wait a little and buy one on a deal/second hand.

Instead I blinked twice, they were already taken out of production and became some sought after legacy model. How do you even explain it?

>>4343963
Hypebeast culture is fuji’s way forward into better funding gfx development before phones+AI surpass APS-C (goyim will not care that the photos are not real)

>>4343972
apsc getting 'surpassed' is irrelevant because fuji does not compete on an image quality axis. until phones develop an antique character and gain pleasantly tactile mechanical control points, fuji will continue to beat them
>>4343963
fuji's revenue is instax. the digital camera division is the passion project

i got myself a lumix lx15 and its alright. photos dont really look better than from my phone, but it lets me take photos i otherwise couldnt (tiltable flash, f/1.4 on 1 inch sensor, flippy screen, many picture and control settings). shooting raw reveals strong fisheye distortion and wider angle, so the camera is technically capable of more than advertised.
for me the point was getting a camera experience that replaces my phone

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>>4343329
I like my gf Olympus pen 8. don't listen to dlsr fags they are huge cameras not made for normies. normies like small and fashionable cameras and will never use anything else than full auto controls.

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>>4344082
True that Fuji X/GFX is only 35-40% of Fuji's total imaging, but that remaining 60% of Instax sales alone does more in revenue than all of Nikon's imaging division

>>4348535
and yet they still can not develop good autofocus, consistently good build quality, or keep their production in japan, or keep their film business running.

>>4343972
>fuji’s way forward into better funding gfx development
lol no, Fuji is first and foremost the instax company now. That’s their bread and butter, gfx is a silly side project.

>>4348538
This assumes that they actually are some kind of unique corporation that cares about unprofitable things, instead of just stacking paper from things that sell well (hint: they aren’t)

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>>4343329
This.

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I got the XE4 second hand before it was discontinued for 500 ish with a 27mm and have shot some paid work on it. It was supposed to be a B cam but as it was always on me it became a A-.

Wouldn't rely on auto focus for video but for stills it's good enough. It's also small enough that it got me back into shooting Street which I'm eternally thankful for.

>>4343329
A Sigma DP2/s/x can be had for around $200-300.
But you're gonna have to get good. This camera amplifies photography skill -- if you're good, you can take very, very nice photos. If you're not good, your photos will turn out absolute shit.
You GOTTA think about light unless it's full sun. If it's darker than typical overcast, you're going to be running up against issues with noise, so you gotta get creative. You're not going to recover shadows, so the exposure you get is what you get.
It's clunky to use, slow firmware, laggy. It takes seconds to process each photo and has a small cache. AF, while accurate, is slow as to be borderline unusable. You're shooting at ISO 100, or 200 in B&W. It supports up to 1600 but don't even try. The battery gives you about as many exposures as a roll of film. It requires proprietary software (not necessarily Sigma's fault, Sigma tried helping Adobe and others implement their RAW format, but no one cared).
I have never used a camera with more limitations.
But when photos turn out well, they turn out very well. Super sharp, will convince non-believers of "3d pop." Color science is among the best, and even if we're just using RAWs, Foveon colors are a step above. No other camera seems to get greens as vivid yet natural looking as cameras with Foveon sensors.

Highly recommended.

>>4348625
Too much writing. If it was really good you could have sold me on it in a couple sentences.

>>4343329
Sony rx100m7

>But it's not $150!!

Neither is the iPhone 15pro, but it's still cheaper than an iPhone

>>4348630
Tell us when verizon offers crazy financing deals on the product their buddies at apple are actively trying to kill

>>4348634
No. I will not.

>>4343333
They don't make cameras for $250.
Even stuff like Canon SX740 HS is $500 and has like 5 months wait time (maybe).

>>4343329
No. Normies don't benefit from real cameras anyway, except if they need to zoom in.

>>4343329
>normies
Normies, by definition, do not care about learning how to take photos, therefore dedicated cameras are totally wasted on them.

>>4348669
>Normies don't use actual cameras
>Therefore the only people using real cameras are autistic
Woah, Winograd was a retard confirmed