>>4356047

Nikon makes the most reliable cameras.

>>4356047
Nikon makes great cameras today as long as you don'y need Sony level AI mollusk eye AF

>>4356047
They're reliable and if you are still in the F mount world, you're laughing right now for used lenses.

>>4356072
redpill mein F mount

>>4356073
Cheap... I'm seeing 200 - 400mm f2.8s on boomerbook for like 2500 leaf bucks.

F-mount lenses are amazing value, but I'm eyeing the Z 85mm1.8 S

>>4356074
Any F mount reccs for general photography?

>>4356078
35mm f/2.8 AI

>>4356078
It's tough.... there's hundreds of F mount lenses. 105mm prime is pretty good, 70 - 200 f2.8 is pretty good for just versatility.

>>4356075
do it, great lens.
>>4356078
50 1.8 AF-D, 35 2.0 AF-D, 85 1.4 AF-D
17-35 f/2.8 AF-S, though you can get the even better 14-24 AF-S now for a song.
The 80-200 AF-D or AF-S are awesome, any but the first gen 70-200s are great too.
The 28 1.4 AF-S is still expensive but just an unbelievable lens.
The 135 DC is really cool, great portrait lens.

>>4356075
Thats my #1 lens, on the camera by default. Favorite lens ever.

>>4356083
>>4356084
>>4356085
Thanks

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>>4356085
>The 28 1.4 AF-S is still expensive but just an unbelievable lens.
>2000$

>>4356054
>>4356072

"Reliable" is the go-to claim for dipshits who buy underperforming products. Even "soul" is less of an ethereal concept. It's not going to last longer just because it has less features. Besides, these things are built like plastic toys. It's the exact same retards who get conned into buying a Toyota despite them being more expensive and worse than all of their competitors. All the dealer has to do is drop the word "reliable" into the conversation and the sucker is hooked.

>>4356106
Nikon DSLRs actually were more reliable than the competition. Some of them. Not all of them. They made a lot of shitty plastic mount models even on FF and the Z bodies and lenses are absolute junk.

>>4356107
>Source: trust me bro

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>>4356047
*snap*
*sipp*
all the camera you'll ever need

>>4356111
Yes, trust me
Also "the competition" is sony DSLRs and every canon that isn't a 1d or 5d being plastic shit (pentax doesn't count, they should learn to make the more photo taking related parts of a camera now that they perfected the outer shell)

Do you expect a peer reviewed study on camera reliability? kek

>>4356107
Consoomer-grade bodies and glass suck for all brands. The S-line lenses are great.

>>4356078

50mm f/2 Ai.

>>4356106
I don't think you understand what reliable means.

If we go by the car analogy GM used to make very reliable cars because of part swapping for the most part.

Nikon DSLRs the models they still make are their peak technology for F mount, and with the hundreds of options. Since you can't realistically part swap like parts from a d500 to d7500, you have the huge array of lenses, and used market to tap into for actual part swapping from a broken model to your camera that is the same model but needs a donor part.

>>4356106
>>4356186
car analogies are the nigger of analogies just like food analogies

>>4356194
>4channer don't be racist challenge level IMPOSSIBLE

>>4356194
Because you don't understand how analogies work and clearly pigeon holed yourself in understanding something else beyond cameras.

>>4356194
ecce exempli gratia

>>4356196
Who cares it's still a stupid fucking analogy cameras are a fucking load more reliable than cars.

Nikon spent 40 years mogging Canon without bragging.
Canon spend 2 years ahead and their fanboys are doing wheelies XD

>>4356075
I concur with the other anons. Every time I shoot with it, be it photos or videos, the results are consistently great.

>>4356206
Relatively speaking in todays world, cars are more reliable.

>>4356047
Nikon makes the best quality cameras in their segment. Better than Canon, Snoy, or Panasonic.

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>>4356236
No they aint, old cars just weren't cared for because they were cheaper to purchase.

>>4356241
Dude in todays world if you follow the manual for maintenance every car from a kia to porche will last you 250,000km easy. And most of that is just changing fluids.

The main issue is that someone will buy an expensive camera and baby it, place it in comfy padded bags and think of it as an investment, while a car is just another usual daily utility expense and will run it to its limits. Modern cars if taken care of will last a long time. And considering the beating they take, they're wonders in engineering.

>>4356243
Yeah and an old piece of shit like mine will do the same just like it already has been since '73.

>>4356246
Until parts run dry, and coolant eats your block.

Nikons F mount camera aren't in any danger of lenses running dry, they're still in production. Same wirh bodies.

I don't know why being contrarian to nikon DSLRs as reliable is pushed so hard around here. They've been making F mount lenese and bodies for over 60 years.

>>4356243
Modern cars are shit. Value-engineered to death specifically to support a supply chain model. All tye “engineeeering’ you aspie morons dont understand and think of as magic is 30 years old already. There is nothing a car does today that couldnt have been designed and built with the same software, materials &processes and controls in 1995. I wouldnt give you nary one single squirt of piss for any of these design-by-committee fugly ass hunks of shit. The only innovation in automotive engineering since then has been how to produce the shit cheaper to boost shareholder profits in earnings calls, bc like every fucking american business its not about producing product, its about being a race horse that attracts the gamblers in the owner class to place their cash bets on your particular get rich quick scheme. Its all bullshit, 120 fucking car models are just 1993 dodge neons with different body styling, everything sucks, everybody is up to their tits in garbage and deserves it. Everything is no-value commodified trash.

>>4356251
>blah blah blah.

Follow the fucking manual and don't be poor. All major problems are worked out within the factory and power train warranty. After that it's just maintenance.
Cars aren't a joke, take care of them, respectively. And modern cars are far superior to some shitty 1998 Mercedes or Volvo.

>>4356250
all nikon dslr gear is out of production. has been for a few years.

the parts well is deep but won't last forever, and a lot of the more desired models are problematic. then again, it'll last longer than anything with IBIS.

>>4356250
Until parts run dry and your brass gears get worn out.

It's a good analogy, get over it.

>>4356250
>He doesn't know
There are people today blowing engines weekly, they're called racing teams, so you can actually get a new block. Better than the old one ever was. it just costs... a bit, so you better actually generate the stress it was meant to tolerate.
https://lamspeedracing.com/products/bullet-race-engineering-4g63-64-billet-block

This is like a group of hobbyists turned pro manufacturing leica shutter units that go up to 1/8000 and can be re fit into most M bodies with minor modifications. Cameras don't enjoy this kind of "fix it up better" culture, it's a more consumerist hobby. If you want a better camera to pay your daddy, cameras inc.

>>4356266
This exists to a certain degree in old cams too. The current Leica M9 sensor repairs for example.

>>4356269
There are repairs and filter removals

Not many people are doing the camera version of beefing up ancient mitsubishis like "improved 500cm body - 3 more stops of shutter speed, TTL flash metering, aperture priority auto exposure all with WLVF". Its just not happening. Camera people prefer to just buy the newer one.

>>4356257
>And modern cars are far superior to some shitty 1998 Mercedes or Volvo.

Even though both companies products left a little to be desired by then, their vintage models were of superior quality compared to the cars made today.

>>4356260

The Nikon F2 has steel gears.

>>4356274
everything gets worn out eventually, you're not being smart

>>4356275

4chan comedy hour!

>>4356277
isn't that all the time? :A)

like me d850
simple as
and I'm too far deep to change lens ecosystems.
I can just use an FTZ mount as I slowly get some Z lenses for my Z5 as well.

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what is the LS1 of cameras?

>>4356305
D800

>>4356305
Used to be the 5d ii. Not perfect has flaws but punched well above its weight and everyone used them for everything for a while. I remember it was big news when they shot a whole episode of the TV show house with only a 5d ii. Not sure what the modern equivalent would be, mirrorless all seem kind of ass from every brand in someway or another.

>>4356315
A7IV

>>4356084
>105mm prime is pretty good
Holy shit I had no idea they made that, I thought the 85mm was their stupidest portrait lens
Now I want it, it must be the size of a bucket

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>>4356380
rofl

>>4356393
The eye sees all

>>4356106
>my camera breaking faster means its better!
mind broken consoomers

The F5 is pretty cool

>>4356258
>all nikon dslr gear is out of production. has been for a few years.

This is a myth. They're still making brand new d850s, 780s, and 7500s, and a range of lenses. People are still buying them.

>D80
>D200

Will I be happy with either or these 2 bodies?

>>4356461
D40.

>>4356461
>>4356477
Agree on the D40. Avoid DX.

>>4356047
The D850 is not good

a 35mm camera has no justification to be larger than a hasselblad 501c. design better cameras.

>>4356085
>>4356104
What's the use case for a 28 1.4? Is it for street photography or just known for being wicked sharp? Is a 28 prime too niche for landscape?

>>4356496
this, I am tired of boomers pretending that their blobs were anything but mistakes

>>4356506
But its so ERGONOMIC with a bazooka sized lens!

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>>4356496
>>4356506
>>4356508


Luv' me pistol grip
Luv' me mirror
Luv' me heft

'Ate mirrorless
'Ate glorified video cams
(not racist just don' like em)

simple as

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>>4356483

The D40 is DX.wmmkp

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>>4356510

>>4356510

Real men use professional D series cameras!

>>4356514
Oops. Still, avoid DX.

>>4356510
A guy looking exactly like pic related for me into Nikon. No regrets.

>>4356510
Based

>>4356510
Doesn't the z8 and 9 weigh more than the d6 and d850?

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>>4356515
>old style body with new logo
HEEEEEYYL NAAWWWW

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>>4356526
RUH ROH SHAGGY YOU UNDERMINED THE WHOLE ARGUMENT FOR MIRRORLESS WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO NOW?

> Become a Nikon boomer
> Become an Olympus fanboy
> Commit sudoku

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>>4356530
The forbidden /p/ath: Buy a sony/fuji, leave /p/, take photos

the neckbeards seethe at them because they will set you free

>>4356532
trvth
>micro four thirds: disappointed by noise
>ricoh gr: disappointed by dust and novf
>dslr: too fat and ugly to travel with (inb4 fat and ugly trucker says "perfect")
>canon rf: almost dslr sized, fat and ugly, and even more expensive
>nikon z: bazooka lenses or flimsy plastic shit
>panasonic: holy shit how does a mirrorless camera get that big?
>leica: too expensive
>yessss stay here on /p/ and be angry about gear
>sony/fuji mirrorless: OH SHIT HES LEAVING THE HOUSE NOOOOO! DEPLOY ZE FUD!

>>4356530
Are you retarded?

The whole dslrs are giant bricks is a myth.

>>4356534
What the argument again
>DSLR's arent giant bricks because they're derived from film SLRs that were also giant bricks

>>4356532
honestly the best course of action

>>4356534
theres this thing where you are a funny silly little guy that makes up silly little phrases that aren't necessarily meant to be taken at face value

its called a joke

>>4356535
There wasn't argument. There was a fact pointed out and of course the retards just gotta slide in their lulz because apparently everything in todays world is a joke.

>>4356544
Apparently there is because you think DSLRs are suddenly not giant bricks if some shitty boomer company manages to make a FF mirrorless with APS-C dynamic range almost as large as a 1d

how do we ban old people from cameras?

>>4356533
EVEN THOUGH sonys are for ultra normies and fujis are for art hoe maximus and nostalgia rapists
canon WON and fortunately for you they have the m50

>>4356546
Honestly I'd rather hang out with ultra normies and art hoes than tryhards.

>>4356546
>Canon WON because their $8000 pro journalist blob is 5fps faster than the last one and their $3000 f1.1 lens has a 5% flatter MTF tranny curve
Ok, but, who the fuck would take that out of the house if they weren't being paid to do so, and also paid to watch a football game from the sidelines

Canons have their purpose and that purpose is being a glorified sportsball ticket

>>4356545
>how do we ban old people from cameras?

That would be draconian and foolish.

>>4356550
Look at how long it took for them to add selfie screens bruh.

>>4356551

Selfies are for self-absorbed idiots!

>>4356545
The fact was about weight, not dimensions.

Then again, sorry the beanie weenie fags have small limp wrists and hands and complain about a bigger camera?

>>4356552
Ok boomer

>>4356553
>I am very strong for carrying 5lb and a camera the size of a childs head
It's not about weight it's about looking like a dork

>>4356556

I being a real man carry a D2x without issue, and I am NOT a boomer!

>>4356557
We can all carry it without physical issue but you look like a pedo bruh, fr. No cap.

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>the camera to end all camera wars
Fuji+Nikon combo solved cameras long ago

>>4356560

Real men could care less what other people think of them!

>>4356561
more like the worst of the canonikon garbage plus the faggotry of fuji on top

>>4356548
their other purpose is beautifully natural photos without blur or kafkaesque and autistic colors (nikon)

>>4356562
Nta but this is wisdom. I crazy how long it took me to understand this

>>4356563
You don't the lick of super ccd?

>>4356562
>Bing bing wahoo, im a real man thats why i dont care
>i wear my fursuit and d2x with pride
>*whips out 3ds* now, if you'll excuse me, gentlemen!

>>4356565
>this is wisdom.

You and the people who so superficially judge others wouldn't know wisdom if it bit you in the ass!

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>>4356561
Will I cope if I get the d200 over this? the s5 pro is 2-3x as much as Nikon. I really want the fuji but I see a lot in poor condition.

What about the s3? I have some legacy Nikkor lenses, but the s3 is not supposed meter/focus confirm with older MF lenses.

>>4356564
>beautifully natural photos without blur or weird colors
Sorry you seem to be an ESL

That's called "film" not "canon"

>>4356570
Bro I judge people way less these days. I don't how you got this idea. But men don't give a shit about how other perceive them is a deep lesson.

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>>4356572
sorry saar this is the canon i thought of, i did not know canon switched to making nikons

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>>4356571
Get the D200 or the S5.
The S3 (and by extent the S2 which I own) is based on the Nikon F80 and the APS-C crop in that finder drives me nuts because its SO small.

If you wanna have a daily, D200 or S5. I've owned the S5 too and its infinitely more modern feeling.

>>4356571
ask fe2fucker, he's an avid consoomer of ccd cams

>>4356571
>Will I cope if I get the d200 over this?

These older cameras require a great amount of skill (intellegence) to get the best results from them.

I would recommend the D300/700 series instead, with the best quality primes.

>>4356577
>These older cameras require a great amount of skill (intellegence)
Redpill me on those skills

>>4356576
Way ahead of ya.

>>4356578
>Redpill me on those skills

If you have to ask, stick with what I suggested.

>>4356573
I don't know where redditors get this idea that men don't care and wear their pikachu jammies and d850 with battery grip outside. being a man means acting like you don't care (low neuroticism) but still caring (self care).

From the beginning of history men have only given a shit about how other people perceive them. All the power, the glory, the women, it's to rule, to be respected, to command. Can't even like the flat titty big ass bitch you really prefer because if your wife has bigger tits other men automatically see you as better than them.

Fashion and the arts are male inventions from which women were once barred.

if you want to coast through life, be yourself, and never be judged as long as you aren't aggressively disgusting and evil, it's called being a 12 year old girl because your value doesn't need to be proven. Life as a man is a bit harder than that. A man has to prove he's worthwhile.

And it's enjoyable to live like that.

>>4356579
Kek

You are here so can you recommend me a cheap tele for s5 for general photography

>>4356565
>>4356573
>this is wisdom
no it isn't. that's just a generic muttoid cliché for narcissistic bitches and degenerates that walk out in greasy sweatpants to feel better about themselves
you are and will always be in relation to other people and care about their thoughts. why do you come here so often? because you're lonely in real life and you(r brain) would literally rot and die without relation to other people. you're subconsciously DESPERATE to be social
you're definitely still caring, just differently, about different things, from different people
without caring, you would be nothing

something to think about

>>4356581
That's deep. But imma do whatever I want at least in photography.

>>4356583
>because you're lonely in real life and you(r brain) would literally rot and die without relation to other people.
Real shit.

Without 4chan I actually started losing my mind.

But "do thou wilt" in sense that analysing every single interaction with other people. "I am what I am". Most people who actually accomplished shit followed this mantra.

>>4356582
Define cheap.

The mk2 80-200 2.8 can be had for $200 or even less if you're lucky and its an amazing lens, it's my current event lens.

The 70-210 4-5.6D (you want the D version) can be had for like $60-100 BUT I've never had my hands on it so I cant speak much for it.

The Sigma 100-300 4.5-6.7 is like $30 and its honestly a very capable lens especially for the price, you just wanna have a lot of light or have a steady hand.

Do I go for the Nikon D700, Nikon D3400, or the Canon 5D classic. I cant decide.

>>4356588
Olympus E-M1 II

>>4356588
Im biased.

D700 because so many cheap lenses plus backwards compatibility.
5D has nicer colours tho.

>>4356587
Thanks man

Cheap like 20 to 30 dollars. Is there any zoom lens who's focal length start in 20s?

>The mk2 80-200 2.8 can be had for $200 or even less if you're lucky and its an amazing lens, it's my current event lens.
Isn't 70-200 too much for apsc?

>>4356575
thanks anon.
>>4356577
I am actually debating between the d200/s5 and the d700.

I mainly shoot with sony a7iii so this would be my second body to experiment with.

>>4356591
>5D has nicer colours tho.

Well, it has a particularly good 40mm available for it, but it is also an ergonomic nightmare compared to the Nikon (but cheaper).

>>4356595

I would stick with the D700.

>>4356592
Oh maybe it is, I rocked the mk1 80-200 on my S5 back in the day tho so idk its a matter how much reach you want.

Perhaps the 28-80 3.3-5.6G In that case since it gives you a comfy 42-120mm range. Haven't used it myself however but I've got the non-G version and it praktically lives on my S2.

>>4356556
I didn't know using pro grade cameras was a fashion show.

>>4356586
yeah, but the obvious problem is that 4chan and online interaction in general is an insufficient substitute. it never quite scratches that itch. that's why it's so easy to spend an ungodly amount of time here in lack of alternatives, and thus slowly leads you down a negative spiral
but because you need it to function in the first place, and the complete waste of time resulting from the insatiable craving for real interaction debilitates you from accomplishing anything meaningful in real life

pretty tragic

>>4356591
>>4356596
Thanks guys. I was leaning towards the Canon 5D but I might go with the D700 now. I have a Nikon F with some vintage glass that would be cool to try out on the D700 as well.

>>4356598
>Perhaps the 28-80 3.3-5.6G
That's kino. I'll look into it.

>Oh maybe it is, I rocked the mk1 80-200 on my S5 back in the day
I was trying to ask how do you manage event with such tight focal length

>>4356604
Oh that's just you. I'm here because everyone at the university is braindead. The only interesting people on campus are the physics students who talk about everything but physics (the ones who talk about physics are trying to get you to help with their homework) and the guy who teaches mesozoic paleontology but is actually more into spelunking and invertebrates.

Trust me when I say, if you think 4chan affects you in this way, what you'd most likely do otherwise (friday night magic, LAN parties and other gamer shit, furries, and anime cons) is not much better. At least here you can clearly see that you'd benefit from leaving.

>>4356607
Oh no I use my D700 for events. I no longer own the S5.

>>4356604
I don't know man. Real world is terrible. I know how to integrate into it but I don't want to. They leave you at your worst. It's futile to have have expectations from world.

4chan is retarded but it's comfy.

>>4356609
Totally agree with your post.
But anon don't get pigeoned holed into University campus. That's the most boring and barren place filled with midwits.

>>4356611
Is the d700 noticeably better than the s5? I would assume so if youre using for events. I am guessing iso, etc play into it's capabilities.

>>4356609
>I'm here because everyone at the university is braindead.
indeed, "in lack of alternatives". this is basically what got me here in the first place
and for the aforementioned reasons, i just do not have the time, motivation or energy to study and work myself up to a higher 'class' and put in the effort to find the right circles of people i would get more along with. seems like tons of effort, and obviously harder with age
>what you'd most likely do otherwise (friday night magic, LAN parties and other gamer shit, furries, and anime cons) is not much better
right, the memes about going to retarded social activities for retards being a retarded idea has always seemed given to me. solving muh loneliness epidemic for failed midwit normies like myself isn't so simple. the situation is pretty dreadful
>>4356620
i've had a taste of a better life and decent friends in my early life and i know it's out there and possible, that's why it's frustrating
only 1/10 posts on this site is worth anything if that, and the quality of the people is in continuous decline. most boards have the attention span of a fucking goldfish and don't pay attention unless you riddle it with clickbait engineered for 4cheddit. so i've resorted to following some generals and mostly doing bad faith trolling these days. i'm not entirely sure i'm being serious now either. actually, i've lost myself and don't exactly know what i truly am or i believe. welp!

>>4356626
Yeah its a straight upgrade.
Also, the S5 with its superccd actually doesn't have wildly unique colours which many attribute to CCD's. If anything it has really good dynamic range and very modern colours considering its age.
Just a heads-up.

>>4356633
thanks

>>4356630
>so i've resorted to following some generals and mostly doing bad faith trolling these days. i'm not entirely sure i'm being serious now either. actually, i've lost myself and don't exactly know what i truly am or i believe. welp!
Ouch

>>4356206
>cameras are a fucking load more reliable than cars
I can use my car in the rain. Can you say the same of your Snoy?

>>4356658
You can't say the same of any camera unless it is legitimately waterproof, or you're looking forward to a button or dial becoming inoperable just in time for your upgrade. All "weather sealing" does is slow, not prevent, the intrusion of water and dust.

>>4356078
24-120mm f4 if you're a beginner. It's a great all-rounder and the only one I bother bringing on travels.

>>4357456
Shame, it's too expensive

>>4356588
D700, obviously. How is this even a question.
D800 is a much better option though. It sells for about 400 USD now and then.

>>4357457
The 28-300mm f3.5-5.6 is a dirt cheap option, with some distortion and noticeable softness over 200mm.

>>4356578
It means you need to be good with not over and under-exposing and making sure you have enough light to the ISO at 400 or lower.
CCD sensors have less dynamic range, are noisier than 35mm film is grainy at the same ISO, and blow out highlights so that you can't even fix by raw editing way more than later CMOS censors.
in other words all of the "endearingly" shit qualities of CCD censors that people associate with digicams (see the digishit thread), mitigated only by the fact that the APS-C sensor is several times bigger than any digicam.
You can get good pics with a CCD DSLR if you accept the limitations. Millions of people bought them when they were the only thing you could get. But there's a reason they switched to CMOS.

>>4356605
>Nikon F with some vintage glass that would be cool to try out on the D700 as well.
make sure they are AI or AI-converted
https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm#dslr

>>4357507
this is where I landed with CCD DSLRs. While they can take some great pics in great lighting, when it's not there, they look bad and dated. And then you're stuck with a huge DSLR that you can only use in controlled environments. I think nostalgia plays a big part in people wanting to use them. But tech has moved on.

Charging $250 for an FTZ II is some serious jew shit from Nikon.
I should just suck it up and buy it, but it makes me mad.

>>4356047
>Nikon isn't terrible
>Posts image if the best DSLR ever made
What did (you) mean by this?

>>4356397
>my camera is the best because of brand propagranda and heresay, and not even in a measurable way
Are the consoomers in the room with us right now, Anon?

>>4356085
200 f2 ED IF

I can afford either a
>d700 or
>d610

I shoot portraits and landscapes. Will I really notice the difference of 24megs vs 12 megs on the d700?

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>>4357946
IDGAF about the megapixels but the D610 sensor is vastly superior

>>4356106
>"Reliable" is the go-to claim for dipshits who buy underperforming products.
reliability of a product directly reflects the physical quality the product overall and materials used to make/create the product.
im fliping houses and doing real estate small jobs and do photography on the side. the amount of normie egotistic snobs and stuck up retards who live in their own bubbles that i know, have met or am friends with, is more than i can count... they all jerk off to premium products; premium brand clothes, premium brand cars, premium brand tech, they even fucking buy the most expensive foods, fruits and drinks because in their brain its like; expensive = good... and also expensive = status... which is only true if you're retarded. if you have an IQ even a point above 95, you will look for reliability before all else.

thats why i drive a toyota and a lexus. bought a then brand new Yaris back in 2002. now, 22 years later; 0 problems, 0 mechanics visits, only change oil, filters, tires, coolant and windshield wipers. in 22 years that i had the car, nothing and i mean nothing ever failed and/or had to be fixed. in 2011 i bought a used LS430... same story. 0 problems, 0 mechanics visits, only change oil, filters, tires, coolant and wipers and the car just goes and goes and goes...

same with my cameras; its why i use only nikon for decades now and not once have i had a problem. also nikon makes some of the best glass on the market, they were always head to head with leica and zeiss so i dont have to be sceptical in that department either when buying new nikon glass. its just quality and reliability of it... never failed me physically, never had any software issues, never had a nikon camera brick my SD card... in short, just overall 0 problems with nikon. (cant say the same for my brand new a1 or r5 that i had for less than 5 months each before major issues...)

thats also why i only shop in stores that source their clothing materials from jp, tur, sk etc...

>>4357946
Do you crop away 50% of the image on a regular basis or print wall sized photos?

If not, no you wont really miss that resolution.

>>4358018
>the amount of normie egotistic snobs and stuck up retards who live in their own bubbles
this sentence alone sums up about 95% of /p/ users and visitors

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>>4356047

nikon models ar not that great

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>>4356571

times have moved on, if you want cdd gamma get d200, if you want minimum noice, get one of latter fullframe cmos nikon, if you are within commercial editing software get z-mount

>>4358018

yaris rear brake load balancer be rusted onto no load position, zero issues ever unless

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my fellow nikkors...what's your U1 and U2 settings

>>4357946
>>4358020
I'm not one to hammer on the megapickles, but 12 is very, VERY small.

>>4357946
The D700 is absolutely goated; everyone who ever used one loves it.
The D610 is a slow shitty trashcam, and one of the best reasons to buy a 6D or 5Dii instead.
>however
newer will be better for technical image quality; in terms of resolution and iso performance, double is still double. CF cards are a meme now.
https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/d600/vs-d700.htm

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>>4357946
Well I just pulled the trigger on the d700. What should I think of it?

>>4358026
if your engine uses soft lines for shit that could easily be hard lines, your car is shit. eg toyota.

>>4358018
Retard.... you didn't even read the post. Your product is not reliable because one out of the the 10 million they made hasn't has a problem yet. My point was that reliability is the go-to claim as it's totally unprovable and based entirely on hearsay and anecdotes. When your product is shit, hearsay and anecdotes are all you have. Your immediate reaction is still to try and shun people who buy products based on provable evidence.
>if you have an IQ even a point above 95, you will look for reliability before all else.
"If you're smart like me you won't look at any samples or specs or reviews you should just look at anecdotes posted on forums"
This has to be bait.

>>4358486
Outdated and underwhelming
Buyer's remorse
Hey maybe it will make you a better photographer as you will not be able to rely on modern dynamic range / iso performance and instead will have to make the most of what you got (lol)

>>4358486
>12MP
That's actually not acceptable.
At least it won't matter how shit your glass is on that.

>>4358504
>you will be a better photographer because you'll have to put your camera down for anything but sunrise and sunset, dynamic range is le crutch, time to buy GND filters
meanwhile negative film chads
>shoot at high noon
>looks great

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>>4358222

VGA picture is picture too

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>>4358486
enjoy getting BTFOd by smartphone cameras

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>>4358504
>>4358513
>>4358532
Now Im having doubts, but it's too late to cancel.

>>4358534
You could have had a D800 for like 300 bucks, you know

>>4358538
I got scared out of the chassis failure fud that everyone was saying. The 810 was too high a jump from the 800 for me.

>>4358486
Best colours in its class and with a battery grip FPS boost I've shot motorsports with great success.

>>4358557
Thanks, that's what swayed me. I loved the coloring of all the pictures I looked at on flickr.

>>4358486
Wasn't there an issue with oil getting on the mirror or some shit?

>>4358565
that was the d600

What is a good bbay's first prime under ~$150ish for < 50mm focal length?

>>4358486
That was my Dads favorite. ...before the Z7 and all the new bigass glass.

>>4358956
For full frame f-mount just get a 50mm 1.8 AF-D, your first prime should be a 50, the 50 1.8 is *always* the most bang for your buck of primes.
If you insist on something wider, the 24, 28, 35 are slightly more expensive but not much.
Consider the manual focus (AI and AI-s) versions since wide angle lenses also have wide zones in focus so living without AF is pretty easy. AI will be cheaper than AI-s, as they are a couple of years older but they are almost identical.
The only primes to specifically *avoid* is the manual focus 50mm f/1.4 and the 28mm f/2.8 AF (*not* AF-D, just AF) as both are famously soft as shit.
But just get the 50 AF-D.

>>4359039
>just get a 50mm 1.8 AF-D
thanks I actually pulled the trigger on this one for under $100

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What is the most aesthetically pleasing mirrorless camera and why is it the Nikon Z f?

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>>4356047
KYS

>>4359074
>tranny coping and seething

>>4359054
It's a very nice camera.

>>4359075
Did I hurt your 10 yr old feels?

still have my d810
shit is cash for a decade

havent looked at any other camera since

>>4359054
>fake SLR hump
>doesn't even have popup flash inside
so close to perfection

>>4359082
>meanwhile the average Sony "photographer" upgrades to a new $4k model every year
kek

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>>4359090
>sony NOT mentioned whatsoever
>Clive seethes
kek

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>>4359098
It's pretty funny how hype culture works when companies have to announce that they are developing a new camera. No, they can't just announce the camera is released anymore, they have to announce that they are developing one first.

>>4359098
Looks like he knows what he is talking about.

>>4356506
>I am tired of boomers pretending that their blobs were anything but mistakes
I would imagine this also applies to the poster's parents

>>4359101
The thing about $8000 cameras is that most people don't buy lots of them, they make a carefully considered choice to buy one and use it for a long time.
In that case if your current offering is looking a little dated next to the competition, it makes sense to send a market signal that soon it won't be, and a customer who may prefer your brand but who needs to be buying a current product may decide to wait for it rather than buying a sony.

>be me
>be old
>had to train to be a photographer in ye olde days with film and negative
>built a darkroom in my house
>built a studio in my house
>retired
>studio is now filled with shit
>darkroom is never opened
>Modern cameras do everything for you, no waiting for the perfect moment, no patience needed for light levels or humidity levels, no hours sitting in the darkroom with toxic chemicals and a headache while you pray you didn't fuck it up
>Just click and take 1000 images with milisecond intervels and ta-da you got the perfect shot you wanted
>didn't or something annoys you? click, remove, ta-da perfect shot
You fucks have no fucking idea how good shit is nowadays. Also Nikon make good cameras and have for decades, the fact Canon pulled their head out their ass and got decent in the last 5 does not mean Nikon is shit, it just means you got a lot more choice now (which is never bad thing). Not that it matters, before the photographer was the defining part of a good picture, now any 23 year old pixie willow flower girl can take a picture of a lightning struck tree in a field, remove the other trees with a button press and put a sad black and white filter on it, upload it to insta with some milquetoast 'Life is so fragile, love every day and everybody!' comment and get billions of likes.

Fuck you. Want to make better photos? Go and train. Don't care and happy with tech doing it? Carry on.

>>4359378
>no hours sitting in the darkroom with toxic chemicals and a headache while you pray you didn't fuck it up
skill issues, bitch ass nigga

>>4359383
Not really. I'm saying you fucks have it really easy unless you're a hipster who wants to do it 'the old fashioned way' and bought a Nikon F2 (1979) and brags about it. A camera is only going to get you so far and a camera is only going to have the tech to help you so far. So this autism over cameras really doesn't matter because regardless of the lens size, the megapixel amount or all that shit doesn't really matter if you can't even do basic photography shit.

Buy a camera that feels good to hold and does the job. Bells, whistles, bigger number. Irrelevant. You should get a nice feel camera and wear that the fuck out and learn how to actually do basic composition first. Then, when you've done that, go up to meme cameras like Nikon 9 Z's.

>>4359389
>Ooh great Sensai so much wise
>speakeru words of much truthness
>we all learn from old master
>right way he teaches us

Post your rant on Instagram. Who are you trying to educate? This is nothing new

>>4359378
If you were old enough for all that when it was relevant, you're probably as old as my dad, bc that's what he did too (and with an F2), and I'm 48yo now. The world switched to digital when I was in my 20s, I wasn't going to build a darkroom and figure all that shit out. desu in my teens most people were already just having most rolls developed at 1hr developing kiosks & Walgreens when there wasn't enough business to support the kiosks anymore, because Walgreens was good enough 99% of the time. That's how long it's been since anyone HAD to learn all the tools of the darkroom to make images.

But those tools didn't go away. Today you and I have the luxury of choosing those tools, with far more and more complex tools to learn besides. Or you can choose to have digital machine learning do all the work for you just as you could allow a point and shoot and kiosk to do it for you before. This is a unique time where these technologies are all available. Film cameras are still still within the lifespan of their electronic components. But the old wax paper capacitors in all those classic cameras are already starting to fail and will continue until the last century of camera innovation and craftsmanship become paperweights on shelves. But now is the time where we can make images using emulsion and chemistry, software and sensors, oil, acrylic, watercolors, graphite, charcoal or chalk. All tools are equally available to the image-maker and all tools exist to aid the user in producing work with specific characteristics.

I suppose when all the electronic cameras die, my dads old F2 and Sunny16 will still work.

>>4359409
not him but greetings fellow oldfag (49)
i stopped shooting film in the late 00's but didn't start acquiring digital cameras until about 2015.
i'd been canon back in film days but switched to nikon when I went digital.
both cameras were picked not by me but by my wives (of which I've had 2). my first wife had a canon film rebel since like 1990, which I stole, and my 2nd wife had a nikon d80 since 2006, which I also stole.
love how the dslr threads collect us old guys.

>>4359406
except he's right and your gearfagging is just techtard autism not different than /v/ consolewars shitposting

go out and take photos, most gearfags take shit photos that a good photographer will mog the fuck out of using a iphone 12 pro

>>4359374
Top of the line cameras have much cheaper options that perform thr basics just as good, but don't have the added features you're paying for.

Why would I need a z9 when in not a professional photographer? It's that simple of a question that decides from buying a z9 and a z8.

>>4356078
27-300mm

Is it worth it to save up for the d810 over the d800e? I really want a high megapixel camera. The only thing keeping me from the d800e is the chassis breaking stuff and louder mirror slap on the d800e.

Anyone with a d800e been completely satisfied with it?

>>4359634
If you want high mp, why not mirrorless?

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>>4356047
I wish they wouldn't have cancelled the Nikon DL. I would have carried it everywhere if they ever released it. Such a bad decision in hindsight, now that zoomers and youtubers have made compact cameras trendy and the demand skyrocketed. Hell, the Canon G7x cannot even be found in stock anymore (for MSRP).

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>>4359699
>Clive trying to shill a non existent camera
LOL now thats gold. How pathetic and desperate are you? Buy a REAL compact camera like the Sony RX100 VII with a proper zoom lens that isn't imaginary.

>>4359692
I have a mirrorless (a few actually since I kept my old ones). I started with them 10 years ago, but am just now getting into DSLRs. I like the way Nikon DSLRs render.

>>4359699
Z30 is pretty great if you're looking at small cameras aimed at "creators".

>>4359702
I'm starting to think Clive is right

>>4359699
The Nikon Diaper Lover

>>4359765
Thats why nikon is fighting canon for sales and not getting steamrolled by fuji and sony? Thats why nikon didnt close all of their service centers? Thats why nikon has normal ff dynamic range on their top 3 models?
>at least they have a pancake
>BZZT BZZT

>>4359770
Again I'm starting to think he's right because you people are insufferable and autistic, actually you're worse than him. I guarantee there's crossover between the Snoy autismos and /r/SonyAlpha or /r/Photography from how autistic they get

>>4359634
Not really. The D810's only real advantage is the minor improvement of the minimum ISO cap.
Considering the D800 is potentially 100cs of dollars cheaper, just go for that. It's excellent.

>>4356047
Their new 50mm 1.4 looks dope.

>>4359778
cool thanks. I will prob do that then.

>>4359775
>people on the autism argument website btfo me bawwwww

>>4359789
>autist on autism website argues

go out and take pictures should be this boards go out and touch grass

>>4359792
It already is and a disgusting amount of ppl here aren't.
Honestly pitiful.

>>4359787
Can't go wrong with a D800. I still use mine and love it.
Do watch out for high shitter counts though. The D800 is rated for 200.000 shutter actions, and you will probably be able to shoot hundreds of thousands of shots more, but it is the one thing that might frop the value of a second hand camera.
Anything under 100k is great. Anything above should sell at a slightly lower price point.

Why isn't the D750 cheaper than it is?
Nothing against it but it seems like it should be cheaper than the D800.

>>4359775
What are the photography discussions on reddit like? Surely they are better than on /p/ where the schizos and their meltdowns would be silenced because they actually have mods?

>>4358534
>>4358486
got my d700 (under 7k shutter counts). It's my first Nikon. Took some quick pics/portraits with a 85mm AI-S I had after learning how to navigate the menus.

Holy shit, the rendering and coloring absolutely mogs my a7iii. I can't believe how this old camera produces such nice pictures. I think I am going to go down the Nikon rabbit hole now.

>>4360235
Now imagine how much superior d610 pictures are. Guess you can start a Nikon collection now

>>4360241
>sn0y sensor
They aren't.

>ftw got an FTZ adapter
Ok. The Z5 looks really good with some of my better glass.

>>4359855
Yeah, it diesn't make sense.
The only reason is that D750 is newer than D800.

>>4359855
you should be comparing d750's to d810's, which seem priced more appropriately
there's a reason the d800 was discontinued after only 2 years
a d750 over a d800 gets you
>wifi, better battery life, tilting screen with higher res, lighter weight
>better lowlight af, more fps, better dynamic range
a d750 is probably a better option for most, the d800 is only better for resolution, build,1/8000 mech shutter, and maybe color

Snagged a d3 with 27k shutter releases for $225. How'd I do?

>>4356496
Dumbest thing I've read on 4chan in a decade. The camera's too big for you? You are the problem.

>>4360795
>24MP
>AA filter
I mean what did you upgrade from because a Z5 in 2024 is kind of a meme
not a bad secondary cam though

>>4361328
All 24MP full frame nikons have AA filter, at that pixel density its better to have it than not.

All of you are fools. Your niggons get mogged by a g9ii.

>>4361328
travel cam. my main thing is a d850 but it is admittedly BULKY and annoying to travel with.
Dunno if I was ready to drop $2k for an Z7 and keep that 46mp.

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>>4361504
>no mirror
>paying more for less hardware

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>>4361125
>the d800 is only better for resolution, build,1/8000 mech shutter, and maybe color
>only

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Low light performance isn't THAT bad...

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>>4364306
Then dont? Keep it as a B cam.

>>4358025
what even is this pic? no subject, message, composition or anything else that's interesting.

>>4358159
All AF points and exp. comp. +1 for birds, but I rarely use it.

>>4364306
convert it to shoot IR

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>>4364757
>>4364883
I've realized that I don't actually want the D800. That I've only got it because >big 36MP picture.
High ISO performance is night and day but there's a charm to the shitty night shots out of the D200.

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