Color grading is a totally different beast. For me color photography died with film. All of the contemporary photographers that I like shoot b&w

>>4357474
>What should be your goal when post processing/color grading?
To convey your artistic intent. Fiddling with histograms and mindlessly sharpening is the PP continuation of snapshitting
>>4357475
>For me color photography died with film.
Skill issue

>>4357503
>Skill issue
I agree

How I should learn color grading? I have seen a lot of photography so I can sniff good color at basic level but I have no idea how to do it in color grading.

>>4357474
wow, after looks like an eye cancer diagnosis

>>4357474
Essentially just not looking fake. HDR is about as fake as you can get, and that pic is the perfect example of fake since real life doesn't have perfect exposure.

>>4357474
move sliders and numbers until you think it looks good. save, close, re-open, and repeat
color grading is basically magic bullshit

>>4357556
Real life wouldn't be as overblown on the right but would also not be as dark on the left. Our eyes are pretty decent at making use of the smallest amount of light available.

>>4357556
The psychotic need to represent reality murdered photography as an art form.

Photographic truth is a lie.

>>4357576
Based

Realist photographers are the biggest manipulators because they present their lies as absolute truth

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>>4357576
>The psychotic need to represent reality murdered photography as an art form.
yeah, extremely edited photos and hyperreal shit is so much nicer

>>4357576
>>4357577
I never said super realistic or anything of the sort is the end all be all, only that super fake is shitty. Settle down.

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>>4357579
>yeah, extremely edited photos and hyperreal shit is so much nicer
This, but unironically.

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>>4357586
Pictorialist chads won

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>>4357579
You don't seem to be aware of what exactly ansel adams and his merry band of marxists killed and what was in the coffin winogrand nailed shut while laughing like a madman

We went from "photography is the evolution of painting and a new way for artists to express their creativity" to "all you do is stand in the right spot and press the button". It just so happens that the "photographic truth" side is convenient for government propaganda... a coincidence, unironically.

>>4357591
>"all you do is stand in the right spot and press the button".
What's wrong with this view?

>>4357609
It was a view for a big world made of small worlds, where most people never saw anything because it was all too far away, when cameras were the equivalent of thousands of dollars and film was more expensive adjusted for the economy than it is today. When every frame was precious and most people dare not waste them. When having the technical skill to take sharp, in focus shots everywhere was considered the sign of a practiced and wealthy man, or a newspaper employee. Someone like garry winogrand, grabbing a constant feed of reality, was new to most people. Paintings and drawings were what they were already used to.

It must have felt like being the first caveman to walk around with a torch, but now we have matches, and we're more impressed by someone starting a fire from scratch.

>>4357611
>>4357611
Eh, I love Pictorialism but I have nothing against "position and timing" view. If someone can show me something new then I have nothing to complain. Even pictorialists can fall into self parody, see boomers trying emulate the late 1800s landscape photography which is meaningless in 21st century. If I have to look for those aesthetics then why I would look at boomer shit rather than great pictorialists?

For me Eugene Atget nicely balanced the aesthetics of Pictorialism with heavy emphasis on position and time(in case of down town Paris). Way ahead of his time.

>>4357611
>>4357620
Also composition balance is in skill in itself. People might have seen those places but to balance a photo according to your style is a different beast

>>4357611
>over production and mass consumption leads to a decline in aesthetics and values
Yeah I'm sure winogrand managed to do this for all of photography by himself. Retard

Colorblind people should just do SOOC.

>>4357648
(((winogrand)))
it's a kike doing kike shit and you retard goys fall for it. street photography is kike photography. the white man's game is landscapes

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Why do boomers love HDR so much.

>>4357677
Because film struggled with representing the full color spectrum, so they were fed and bred on the concept that
>more color = more better
To people who have no artistic intuition, it's easier to follow a dumb doctrine than to make something nice.

>>4357677
To show off how much they spent on camera gear.

>>4357679
HDR predates digital. The original form was GND wanking.

>>4357474
imagine taking a landscape photo without any subject and literally no composition

>>4357809
>HDR predates digital
And?

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>>4357474
Photography is art. There’s no rule saying the photo straight out of your camera is the only valid result.

Generally, I would correct the exposure and white balance to make the image more neutral at first, then you can add your own twist, be it very minimal to retain the natural look or transform it completely with a certain colour palette and/or intricate masking.

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>>4357550
Unironically practice. I was in your shoes 2 years ago.
Best way is to look at pics you think are nice, try taking similar pics, look up how to get certain styles(moody greens, warm images/orange&teal etc), import your RAW files and try to replicate it.
Masking is your friend. It may seem highly complicated at first, but once you practice alot you will become a master in no time.

>>4357579
>select person
>face
>texture: -100
>clarity: -100

>>4357474
Whatever the fuck you want/can achieve

>>4357586
Any advice on how to shoot like this on 35mm film ?
>push film to orbit level
>scan & decrease clarity
>sepia tones
?!?

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>>4357579

>>4357591
>photography is the evolution of painting
lmfao
>stand in the right spot and press the button
always is, always has been

>>4357991
>hurr durr photography should be MY way!
Shoot a self portrait but with a gun you fucking faggot

>>4357809
high dynamic range has nothing to do with blown out contrasts.
It's just a feature that came out before real photo editing features were a thing
as you know from today.
Back in the days when you went +10 brightness the photo became useless.
and the so called HDR gave boomers the magic feeling of achieving great results.

>>4357474
Right looks like a video game

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>>4357474
saturation

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>>4357474
Well, for starters it should look a lot more like the before image.
Everything in the after is very wrong and very ugly.

>>4359777
photo realism is for people without souls

>>4357874
This ain't it chief, I can see right where you added the graduated filter

>>4357591
Ansel Adams edited his photos a lot. He wrote whole books on it.
What he didn't do was tasteless gimmicks like blurring the fuck out of everything and sloppily pasting fairies in. Most pictorialism looks like absolute shit.

shoot sober
edit drunk

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I just hit Active D-Lighting a notch up in NX Studio if I don't like how it looks, then play with the exposure comp 0.10 at a time finally slightly bumping up or down the RGB curve.

I'm a fucking moron though but my aim is to make the colors pop a little more or eliminate any bad dark spots that obscure details I want the viewer to see

>>4357474
>Open gimp
>Use shadows-highlights tool
>Change sliders until the photo looks more accurate to the reality of what I saw with my eyes
>Nothing else
Accuracy for me.

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Here's an example. These pics were mostly taken with a snapshitter I never gave back from a job I had 5 years ago (Kodak Easyshare M550). I went to Europe last year and wasn't happy with these pics so never bothered, but once I got into Photography I learned I could edit my photos and make them look acceptable enough I'm willing to share them with friends and family. In this case I opened the .jpeg in NX Studio and went:

Brightness: +9
Contrast: +30
Saturation: +15
Highlight Protection: +20
Shadow Protection: +26
D-Lighting HS: +15

And bumped the RGB curve just a tad. Also did a mild straightening. This is the before.

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>>4360376
I'm the OP of this post btw >>4360136

And to be fair this pic isnt too bad, but there's others where you cant make details out or the lens flare is ridiculous.

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>>4360376
Another one. This one I bumped the RGB Curve down cause it was overexposed and the lens flare was too much

Brightness: -2
Contrast: +4
Saturation: +10
Highlight Protection: +25
Shadow Protection: +40
D-Lighting HS: +17

The last 3 really get me the most out of my pics

This is Buckingham Palace IIRC

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>>4360379
And the after. The before is straight off the memory card on a fairly entry level camera from 2010 that was dropped often

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>>4360381
Isn't editing digishit pics sort of missing the point of digishits?

>>4360387
no, its using what you have instead of consooming
>i need to buy a new camera for the jpeg converter and raw noise levels! -consoomer gearfags
>capture one to topaz my lumix gf1 and canon powershot everything now -smart people

>>4360428
I mean there's definitely some sharpness and AF differences, but I was doing it to fuck around. My camera phone at the time took better photos (OnePlus 7), but I also fell for the sovl meme and realized photography is more difficult than just point and shoot. Most of the pics I took inside the coliseum and museums I went to all fucking suck and honestly aren't worth keeping either. Hell even a lot of the landscape/street photos are out of focus

My Nikon Z50 mogs FUCK out of this as it should, but it made me appreciate point and shoots for the simplicity and ease of carry. It's hard to carry this thing nearly as easily as any of the options I mention below, 2x with the 50-250 lens on it. I'm keeping a eye out for a cheap high end point and shoot, probably a $3-400 Sony ZV1, RX100 III, or a Ricoh GR. Maybe a Lumix GX85 and stock lens. There IS value in something between a APSC/FF ILC and a camera phone, especially if your camera phone fucking sucks at photos or you want a telelens for any actual focal length

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>>4360379
>>4360381
whipped this up in a couple of minutes

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my favorite kind of compositional image are those early 20th century LF architecture shots. Usually nothing more than a tilt-lens shot of a brand new building but with enough detail to see lettings in the windows and a person's face on the street corner. I've tried to create my own versions but streetscapes are too busy and cluttered now for it to really work
This was in Winona MN, a rare time where there was almost no cars out

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>>4360039
>tasteless gimmicks
>sharpness is not gimmick
oh my mkultra sweet summer child

>>4365292
if sharp lenses and high res sensors were free you wouldn’t be seething like this

>>4365309
shut up soulless gearfag bitch. it's great that zoomers are shitting on sharpness

>>4365314
your anger = proof i am right

you little commie. life is a class war to you. soulless. your most well thought out morals pertain to the virtues of spending money. you are a drone, a slave to a slip of paper. do you also refuse to listen to music played with instruments that go over the holy budget? shield your eyes from paintings made with too fine a brush that was $10 more than it “should” have been? so soulless. so programmed by the economists. your entire life is just pricetags. i feel sorry for you.

>>4365315
that wretched f/64 group is only remembered by boomers. and will die with boomers. sharpness=real photoz almost killed photography. no space for imagination or personal aesthetic strokes. pictorialists were sensitive young men with rich inner lives and beautiful souls. they created and envisioned different worlds where straight photography nasty boomer shoved their nasty totalitarian of sharpness down everyone's throat.

no doubt that the era of straight photography was a dark age.

>>4365317
thats a lot of seethe for having a skill issue

Fun pictorialism fact: it was just the gayer continuation of a doomed trend in painting that everyone already hated

If you cant arrange art in front of a camera thats on you. No one is forcing you to be ansel adams. Its just that most of your photographs look like mistakes and technology failures instead of intentional blur.

>>4365322
>>4365325
literally no one other than demented boomer vaguely remember those totalitarian freaks of sharpness

>>4365331
Your nonsensical seethe has turned you into an esl third worlder

>>4365337
you're a mkultra victim, worry about yourself

>>4357474
Photography is art, so your goal should be whatever you want.

>>4359759
And donations for his growing family.

>>4357576
okay guys, give me your best example of an artistic photo, from a grading perspective. and maybe your favorite from a 'natural' look perspective.