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MTF chart.

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>>4362336
>Some guy said the lens had excellent sharpness in the middle of the frame.
It's trash

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>>4362336
>F/4.5

>>4362403
how retarded lol

>>4362403
Shinji is dancing to the autofocus motor sound
>bzzt bzzt bzzzzzt bzzt
>bzzt bzzt bzzt clickclick bzztbzzt bzzzt
>bzzzzzz bzzzz bzzzt bzzt
>click click bzzt bzzt bzzzzzzzzzz*snap*
>*misses focus*

>>4362451
Why? Most of my pictures are taken at wide apertures anyway.

This lens unfortunately can't be stopped down to f8 or f11 though. It's a constant f4.5. But I'm sure it'll be good.

>>4362472
>This lens unfortunately can't be stopped down to f8 or f11 though.
Wait, seriously? OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>4362472
Tell me you're joking. I was actually kind of excited for this lens.

>>4362473
>>4362474
Nah at least that's what I've been reading.

Still, it's only 60 grams. Basically a bodycap. This will make my A7C pocketable.

Would I rather have the 28mm f2.8 from Canon? You bet. But you take what you can get as a Sony shooter.

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>>4362336
>>4362472
>>4362475
>f/4.5
>fixed aperture
>no manual focus ring
>FE pancake options is either this or that kpop toy lens
Sonysissies... not like this...

>>4362479
And? Its a pancake, a literal toy. It is physically impossible for it to have any decent features like REAL weather sealing, an aperture ring, an af/mf switch, and a custom button and still be a pancake. Shit, if you ask nikon it can't even have filter threads and still be a pancake.

>>4362501
uh anon, thats clive

because he's entering his 20s as a virgin, he's obsessed with sony not putting effort into toy lenses that actual photographers never touch like pancakes and 28-300s

>>4362501
>>4362502
samefag schizo

>>4362513
Nope not a samefag. Why are you so mad about sony not putting effort into toy lenses?

>>4362502
>actual photographers don't use 28-300mm lense
False

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>>4362336
what's wrong with 28 f 4.5 as as a compact street lens?

>>4362614
The Canon pancake mogs it. Fixed f/4.5 vs f/2.8-f/22. AF only vs AF/MF + AF/MF switch + focus ring.

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>>4362336
Grabbed it, it'll be perfect for skiing. My A7C will fit in my pocket rather than having to deal with my backpack every time I want to take a pic, and at 62€, I won't care if I fuck up and crash myself in some tree. The 8 aperture blade for kino sunstars sealed the deal.

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>>4362617
may we see samples you took with your rf 28 2.8 stm ?

>>4362502
>actual photographers never touch like pancakes and 28-300s
Wrong

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>>4362617
and it it's 200$ more expensive, and it looks like liquid shit.
canonjeets can't understand beauty

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>>4362625
Ken rockwell is not an actual photographer but it's wrong about pancakes - granted, actual photographers only touch leica and fuji pancakes, not canonikons that have no reason to exist because the cameras are huge and ugly

>fixed f/4.5
lmfao into the trash it goes

>>4362676
>The ONLY FF brand with a real pancake (canon) has the largest bodies
>The brand with the smallest bodies only has one near-pancake (samyang af 35mm f2.8) that is the same length as nikons pancake with the hood that is unironically required
It's so sad

Why are canon, nikon and sony unable to engineer something fuji, olympus, and panasonic had no problem with - a small camera with a genuinely small lens?

>>4362674
>image quality? What? No I only care what the lens itself looks like
The mind of a fujislug on full display.

>>4362620
what if it's really bright outside? are you bring an ND filter and hold it in front of the lens? you can't stop down with this paperweight piece of plastic crap

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>Full frame beat olympussy at the toy lens game
>2x the aperture
>already beat most of the m. zuiko pro primes by releasing mini G lenses that are cheaper, lighter, smaller, sharper, and faster
Now they just need fully functional f3.5 pancakes, some loooong f5.6 or f7 macros, and f8-11 telezooms and and mft is kill

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>>4362700
looks do matter and what image quality you are expecting from a 28mm 2.8? same shit as iPhone snap, and look how indian ulgy is this combo, canshits have 0 style

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>>4362679
Panasonic has a pancake now though.

The question is, would you rather have a fixed f8 aperture or a fixed f4.5?

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>>4362784
>looks matter
>camera brands
Spoken like a notphotog.

Photographers aren't seen with their cameras. No one cares about them. The camera is not part of their identity. No one notices if you do your job right. You either look professional, or no one sees you at all.

And then you have posers, who are not photographers and are mostly just obsessed with looking like a retro chic magazine cover thot with a faux-retro camera. For those people, I recommend olympus. Swiftie tested, swiftie approved.

>>4362790
fuji not only stylish, it can take really really really good photos too.
>nophoto
projecting much?

>>4362472
>fixed aperture
I knew that $99 price tag was too good to be true.

>>4362472
Snoy shooters just can't catch a break lmaooo

>>4362803
It's not stylish and doesn't take good photos fixed that four you work on you're grammer ok?

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he cute

>>4362823
>you're grammer
>four you
good morning saar

>>4362336
So the 50 have all been claimed and I saw they sold like 4 of the bundle pack with the 20/40 earlier... but now all the perks have been removed??

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>>4362336
>Your transaction has been refunded
Sonybros cucked AGAIN

>>4362336
Cute toy lens
If it's so cheap I might get it as a replacement for my bodycap for the novelty

>>4362336
I can't seem to be able to buy it? the perks are missing

>>4362790
E-M1ii?

>>4364171
Its been pulled. It was "accidentally" listed early. Everyone got refunded. It will go live on the 29th September.

>>4364179
Ok good then I can order it again without giving a tip to Indiegogo.

>>4362336
70 bucks AF lens? WTF? I mean I hate chinese but 70 bucks is 70... oh no no no, fuck chinks anyway. Won't take it even for free.

>>4364668
What?

>>4362790
This is strangely true. Ive assisted for about a half a dozen photographers and at some point I’ve asked them what model of camera do you shoot with? The response every time is an “umm i’d have to look, it’s some kind of Canon/Nikon…something.” They know every damn thing about their lenses intimately and exactly how they’re going to use them, but they don’t give a fuck anout the body or the brand or model or its tech specs at all. They have 1, a business to run, & 2 a shot book to get through before they lose the location, and 3, about half the time they need to get it all done, then on to editing & doing it all over again the next day.

>>4364700
(at some point in the interview, not after I’ve been on the job for 3 dsys lol

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>>4362336
>The Viltrox AF 28mm f/4.5 VCM is an interesting interpretation of the pancake lens theme. Performance-wise, it's not great on a high-resolution sensor.
>It's over

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>>4365588
Looks like fujifilm rendering

>>4365588
Sonyalpha.blog said the sharpness is "excellent". Philip Reeves also said it's good.

The main issue seems to be flare resistance.

>>4362788
>The question is, would you rather have a fixed f8 aperture or a fixed f4.5?
>would you rather have shit or shit
Neither. Just make it f/2.8 like every other competent manufacturer.

>>4365793
It's expensive to build machines for new housings, compact lenses especially

>>4365812
Damn, if only Sony wasn't a small startup company that never makes new lenses

I just saw a youtube video of a dude adding a cheap mobile phone "anamorphic" thing to it and the results were incredibly terrible.

>>4365854
They're too lazy to design one themselves, despite both Minolta and Zeiss already having well-established pancake formulas

>>4365887
Terrible how?

The reality is that you cannot see a difference between a sharp and a soft lens, unless you zoom in past 100%.

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God I love having a real camera made for and by photographers.

>better focal length
>wider aperture
>smaller
It's designated as an APS-C lens, but it has full frame coverage. I shoot it on my K1 with no issues.

DSLRizzlers, we stay winning.

>>4365979
>it’s a pancake
>just ignore that the camera it goes on is inherently mirrorbox chunky, chud, that doesn’t matter! Still a pancake!
Anon please

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>>4366009
Doesn't matter, still a pancake.

This lens is really sharp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbzimUlO9P4

>>4366105
>lens sharpness
I don't care.

>>4366009
dslr are superior anyway

>>4362336
Imagine taking that outside, you'd be the laughing stock of everybody. Just use your phone if you can't handle real lens

>>4366118
Imagine being this worried about what other people think.

>>4362336
>Right now, the first 50 people can get it for just $69 on indiegogo. The price later will be $99.
nice try, shill bot. you'll have to go back to normal social media, shlomo

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>>4366105
>This lens is really sharp

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>>4362790
Women just buy cameras based on how vintage they look, which is why there's shit like the Nikon Z FC that is just a Z50 in a retro body.

>>4362336
Looks like its back up. They didnt add anymore $69 option, so all sold out. But they added 1000x $89 option. 82 already claimed, Im guessing this wont last long.

>>4366292
My bad, they also had 150x $84 which were already all gone.

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Just when you thought you've seen the last of Clive
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-28mm-4-5-af-pancake/

>>4366562
Based

>>4366292
Faggots. I had to pay $89 now whereas before I only paid $69 (which was refunded).

>>4366570
You didnt get a seperate email from Viltrox with a unique link to get it for $69? I did. They said they would for everyone that initial bought it 2 weeks ago.

With how successful this lens seems to be, I hope they make one thats larger with a manual focus ring and adjustable aperature maybe even with an aperature ring. If they made it no more than 2x the length and around 150-230 I'd buy that too.

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>>4366715
Snoy skill issue.

>>4366568
Based on what, Clive?

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Seems like Clive is so desperate for attention he's photoshopping fake lenses to troll. How pathetic.

>>4366787
>only proper Sony pancake lens is imaginary
ohnonononono

>>4366797
Clive, how meaningless is your life?

>>4366798
The most basic psychoanalysis of this frantic spamming troll we picked up and his 90001 snoy hate posts is:

Clive absolutely fucking hates every camera body that is not the a7cii or a7cr. Clive is horribly disappointed with the state of FF mirrorless. He hates every FF nikon, canon, and panasonic body available for a multitude of reasons that actually sound pretty reasonable because mirrorless is plagued with excessive size, autofocus tech regressions, and really bad battery life... except for SNOY!

Therefore, our local snoy hater feels he has no choice but to buy a snoy. But snoy has no pancakes so the cameras are hard on his tiny hapa hands and dont fit in the baggy hoodie his boyfriend bought for him. So he is so, so, very mad at snoy.

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>>4366798
>Clive, how meaningless is your life?
>said anon defending a multi billion dollar company 24/7 for free on a mongolian basket weaving forum

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>>4367033
We're not so much defending the company as we're just wondering why you want to shit up /p/ non stop over this one company when all of the other companies are equally shitty in their own special ways.

The shittiness you hyper-focus on isn't even very relevant. I could give you 10 ACTUAL problems with sony off the top of my head, ones that actually affect photography, that sony has refused to fix for years despite industry professionals writing letters, and I'm not even particularly biased against sony. All of them are more important than sony not releasing a garbage lens that makes every design compromise possible to hit a marketing department mandated millimeter figure.

How about 3?

STAR EATER IS STILL NON OPTIONAL
SHADING CORRECTION STILL CAUSES BANDING IN RAWS
KEEPS CALLING COMPLETELY NON WEATHER SEALED LENSES "DUST AND MOISTURE RESISTANT"

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>>4367033
Clive/Tren/Gordon/your dozen other aliases, we don't need to defend your shitty photoshop. Literally the dumbest mouthbreathers on the internet (SAR commentors) already called you out on it.

>>4367037
uuuh pretty sure that is an olympus

>>4367072
An olympus with major cope inducing build quality issues that om system kept instead of fixing with a $5 part lol!

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>>4367070
>WTFF IS THAT A HECKIN DOWNVOTE???? DID SOMEONE JUST DISAGREE?? THIS. IS. NOT. OKAAY!

>>4367254
Thanks for the self-portrait, Clive.

>>4366787
Where does it say Clive? What's his trip? Ive literally never seen him post on /p/

>>4367273
Upvoted!

Edit: Thanks for the Gold kind stranger!

>>4367330
No trip just a lot of autistic samefagging

>>4367406
How do you know it's from the same person then? The only autistic samefagging I see is this one anon that keeps mentioning Clive in every thread.

/qa/ won

>>4367037
>>4367070
>we