>>4367597
i got the gr ii a few months ago and i'm really liking it desu. i think the only thing you might miss coming from a phone is any form of zoom, but you get over that pretty quickly.

>>4367597
It' the only camera that actually fits in a pocket without having a literal phone sized sensor yes

Ricoh really needs to update the sensor. The current one has the same low light performance as micro four thirds. They also need to add some rudimentary dust sealing.

>>4367597
I'm enjoying mine, but 28mm is a learning curve. Worth the challenge, in my opinion.

Decent little camera, nice signature tones, best version of it, Overpriced as balls.

Fuji X100VI might be an alternative, but, you know, fuji tones. Which are fuji undesirable crushed blacks and Fuji odd contrast. But you might be into that.

>>4367597
it's a meme. I had mine for 2 days and sent it back. the image quality is a joke - even for aps-c

>>4367604
a $1000+ camera like this should really be held to some fucking standards
>this is a product from 2010, when will it be improved or halved in priced
>NOO DUH PIXEL PEEP! U POOR?

$1000 is ridiculous. Just buy a really good cell phone. Am I really expected to believe this can take better pics than a 1in Sensor Xiaomi or Xperia? Or even a Galaxy S22+ Ultra or iPhone 15 Pro Max?

You can get a Sony ZV1 for $400 if you want a dedicated camera, and I have a hard time believing the photos out of it will be dramatically worse.

>>4367602
Might be stupid, but I already zoom by walking forward (when I can) with my phone.
>>4367604
Is dust really so bad? Can it be cleaned?
>>4367605
Could you please elaborate why 28 is so bad?
>>4367607
I had a X100V for an hour and didn't like it simply because of the size. It's very big, I expected it to be smaller. Didn't even fit it my small backpack that I had with me that day.
>>4367609
Everyone is praising the sharpness of the lens. Maybe there's a diffrence between 28 and the zoomier one that they sell?

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>>4367615
The dust is not bad until it is, and it costs $300 to have it cleaned

>>4367620
Can't it be DIYed?

>>4367620
ive owned one for 3 years and no dust problems. Yall should stop shoving these cameras up your ass or whatever it is that’s causing it.

>>4367614
>Am I really expected to believe this can take better pics than a 1in Sensor Xiaomi or Xperia? Or even a Galaxy S22+ Ultra or iPhone 15 Pro Max?
It will. It will dramatically outdo all of those unless you are viewing on such a tiny screen from so far away that you can't tell anything apart, not even AI and reality.

But it's still not a very good camera for $1000 fucking dollars.

>>4367621
It's a somewhat dangerous process to subject a $1000 camera to for a design flaw that was fixed on everyone elses products ages ago.
https://jamiecollinson.com/blog/disassembling-ricoh-gr-for-sensor-cleaning/

>>4367622
Its caused by pockets and actually going outside.

>>4367623
Would it outdo a Sony ZV1? You can pick one up used for $350-500 all day long and you get the advantages the GR3 would give you (telelens, tiny size) but a smaller sensor (1in vs APSC)

>>4367615
if you're already walking closer with a phone, you'll adjust easily. it usually catches the non-camera people off guard. so if you're already used to that i'd say it's all positives.

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>>4367627
1" is a phone size sensor, worse than mft

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>>4367630
is fuji even trying

>>4367623
>https://jamiecollinson.com/blog/disassembling-ricoh-gr-for-sensor-cleaning/
>I really hope that the future Ricoh GR III both exists and improves the dust sealing. If Ricoh continues their two year release cycle we’ll find out in 2017.
lmao

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>>4367623
>pockets
Just use a small case or a lense cap. That really is a lot of dust you collected there, but if taken a bit more care of the camera it shouldn't collect that much. Had a GRIII for about a year.
Interesting picture though.

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>>4367636
Only a year? Did it break?

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>>4367597
>>4367597
>Is this worth the money?
Definitly. Lense is ridicoulos sharp, powers up quickly, nice menue and good functions. When it's a bit darker the AF tends to pump, so if you shoot a lot of people in lowlight you may want to reconsider. Otherwise go for it. It's a fun camera, though I missed a viewfinder when I had it. The chinese seem to came up with some cheap alternative. Oh and fuck the HDF version that's garbage nobody needs. What the fuck where they thinking?

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>>4367636
>bro its like so convenient, you can just whip it out
>after unzipping the case
how many more years until they at least improve the sensor so it doesn't look exactly like micro four thirds?

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>>4367638
>Definitly. Lense is ridicoulos sharp, powers up quickly, nice menue and good functions
only if it's your first camera. it's a shilled youtuber cam and it's shit

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>>4367643
>>4367638
Wow so this is the power of a $1000 camera

Looks like a $600 mft setup. ep5 and lumix 20mm f1.7, duh-done! better than any ricoh gr.

>>4367643
>>4367646
>2000 ISO on ASPI-E sensor
Yeah, no wonder it looks like shit.

Also,
>Exposure Program Aperture Priority
learn photography

>>4367650
If you shoot manual for anything but flash or extreme underexposure you're the one who hasn't actually learned photography. Av+Exp Comp is all you need. Control aperture and ISO, shutter speed can be seen and controlled indirectly.

The operator error was not lowering the ISO for paint cans that could be shot at 1/30.

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>>4367637
No, it did sell. Couldn't cope with the missing VF.

>>4367639
>*unzips*
You got a point, no idea about them years though. Just recently heard that Pentax/Ricoh trys to sell rather cheap gear. Maybe therefor also the half-arsed HDF version.

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>>4367652
I like the grain on the paint cans. It makes the photo film like and cinematic.

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>>4367646
check this stellar lens performance

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>>4367656
>Just recently heard that Pentax/Ricoh trys to sell rather cheap gear.
Japs, the joos of Asia

>>4367597
I got a pentax Q and GX100 that mogs that.

>>4367664
>GX100
doubt

>>4367667
I use it for monochrome only.

>>4367620
Did you put a piece of tape over the mic port?

>>4367615
28 isn't bad, it just sucks in more of your peripheral elements so you have to be careful with your composition.

>>4367597
>is it good
it's okay, af is non-functional like all pentax products and they try to sell it with "snap focus" feature which is, let's be real, a cope gimmick.
>alternative
at that size, no apsc camera comes close
>is it better than a phone
for most snap shit no. Don't get me wrong, there are advantages to its larger sensor, just not enough advantage for most snapshit. But you still can feel like you're doing photography with an actual camera than being a tourist normalfag with a phone I suppose.

>>4367614
I don't want a cell phone.

>>4367597
no.

unless it has a sensor aps-c or bigger.

>>4367597
The discontinued Canon M series (without the viewfinder) is right up your alley. Dead mount, but way more useful and less dust prone to the Ricoh.

>>4367632
>Better lens
>Better ergonomics and controls
>Better color science
Fuji won.

>>4367858
>Dead mount
lens design has only gone downhill, hope you're looking forward to another dull tamron superzoom

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>>4367868
We're talking about something pocketable though. I would not recommend the M series to anyone looking for a full kit, even if it does an okay job being an ILC camera. Slap that 22mm on it and you're only marginally bigger. Of course it's still bigger since the Ricoh is a compact zoom, but it's still a valid alternative

>>4367597
Where can you even buy this camera? Two years ago they were $800-900 brand new on eBay. Now they're like $1500 used.

>>4367604
Sony A7C with a pancake also fits in a pocket.

>>4367627
Why not a Sony a5100 instead? Smaller and has an APS-C sensor (but no IBIS)

>>4367882
What pancake?

>>4367863
A bunch of buzzwords nophotos use

>>4367910
>confused retarded reddit tourist again

>>4367878
M can do video too though, and many functions with magic lantern

>>4367912
If I was a Redditor I would worship Fuji

>>4367912
Is reddit in the room with us right now? Why are you so familiarized with something you greatly dislike? Negative obsessions are very unhealthy if you didn't know. :)

>>4367913
Wait, the Ricohksucker can't do video? God, why bother. Unironically go M43 for $500 with the 14-42 PZ lens.

>>4367979
Which one is pocketable?

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>>4367991
Yes it's bigger, but that's still pocketable. Doubly so if you're wiling to dismount the lens. Yes, those are comprimises; if someone wants literally the smallest camera with a decent sensor then sure go Ricoh, but I hear far too much shit about it to *not* offer alternatives.

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>>4368005
Id rather just get the Canon m200 + 22. Sure, the Oly has better controls, but the slow zoom and mft will give you pics worse than an iphone. The canon is a shrunken down Fuji x100.

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>>4368010
Exactly why my first suggestion (>>4367878
) was the M series. The more I see and talk about it the more pissed off I am Canon killed the mount off.

>>4367597
buy a sony rx100 new for the price of a used Ricoh

They're cheaper and the autofocus is way better, plus the later models have a EVF and higher focal length so you can even use them for birding or landscapes

>B-but the higher focal length limits aperture

Just shoot a slower shutter speed

>>4367891
muh sides

>>4368010
It’s better than a Fuji, no xtranny worms

>>4367597
Sigma fp or Lumix S9, plus the 26mm Lumix lens, or the Sigma 45mm. There is a compact zoom coming soon, too.
Full frame, just a bit more expensive and larger, still very compact. The fp has a very good sensor, the S9 is at least a modern sensor.
GR is not pocketable unless you’re wearing cargo shorts/pants, which I don’t. Better to put them into a small daily sling bag.
Interchangeable lenses so when you don’t value compactness you can use actually good lenses. And they’re both L mount so you can use your lenses with a Leica SL series or Lumix S5II or such.

Hard to justify getting a Ricoh GRIII when I already have an fp, but if I had the GRIII I would still need a more full fledged camera.

But if you insist, it’s still better than shooting raw.

>>4368148
>no shutter
Yeah just forget all forms of photography except for building corners, sleeping cats, and landscapes

rolling shutter distortion under 1/200 is very noticeable if someone just moves a little too fast. it looks very uncanny. there's a reason e shutter readout has been the priority as of late.

>>4368186
>Yeah just forget all forms of photography except for building corners, sleeping cats, and landscapes
aren't they the key pocketable camera genres? pocketable cameras just enable snapshits and prevent you from putting any effort into photography

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>>4367597
I got one last week and took it to the seaside. I love the portability but really miss having a viewfinder. The photos are good.
In my opinion, there is no alternative to this. X100 is not pocketable except for a big winter coat.

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>>4368254
No, the key genre is when you go meet someone / hang out / etc. and don't want to take your big camera because it's impractical or improper for some reason.

>>4369032
unless you're meeting them for a photo shoot you're just going to snapshitting. realising this will set you free. or do you carry a camera as a personality substitute?

>>4369041
Rocky leaf corner scape people do

Real niggas shoot skateboard tricks and goofy drunk people

>>4369072
What if I only take nudes of your mother?

>>4369092
You need a wider lens
>7.5mm fisheye rec'd

>>4367597
Just pocket your M6 bro

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For me it's the full frame version

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Need a little point and shoot for concerts.
Looking at a sony zv1, richo gr, and rx100s
Seeing what I can get a good deal on on ebay

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>>4370273
I have the Sony ZV1-II and it's a real fucking disapointment. My fold 6 has a better camera in every possible way and it gets trash talked at every opportunity on phone reviews.

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>>4370287
>falling for the snoy meme
There's your problem.

Please talk me out of buying the RICOH GR IIIx hdf

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>>4370348

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>>4370273
It's going to be dark as fuck to the point those will all struggle

You need a f1.8 at least, these are all 1inch sensors which will be even worse than crops in low light

t.rx100vii owner

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>>4370273
>P&S
>Low light
Yeah doesn't really work like that homie. Either get a phone with strong AI software bullshit and a 1" sensor, or hop up to the smallest APS-C camera with the fastest aperture lens you can be bothered carrying

>>4370348
Why would you need HDF?

>>4370475
Because it's only £100 more
>>4370417
That's comparative though isn't it, I'm not expecting miracles but having an apsc sensor, or something bigger than 1/1.31″, and the ability to up the iso to even only 800 and at a speed of 1/25 would be leagues better than >>4370273

>>4370348
I'd most likely just get the version with the built-in ND filter and slap a diffusion filter when I want one.

>>4370480
But you lose ND filter. So you need to calculate a loss for that too

>>4370480
Wait for GRIii monochrome

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>>4370583
Ok, Where do you carry the lens?

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>>4370637
Up his ass, can't you tell from the photo?

>>4370640
Fuji has good pancakes?

>>4370653
CV Ultrons are good (either 18mm or 27mm).

>>4370583
If its xtranny it automatically loses to micro four thirds of all things

>>4370940
How is that a pancake when it's thicker than the body