>honey please let me post you on 4chan they keep making fun of me for only posting foggy trees
wow that must have been an awkward conversation

tell your girlfriend i said "cringe"

>>4367661
that's my mom

>>4367666
Your mom has "facking cunt" tattooed on her neck in german?

>>4367666
>m43 shooter's mom is a tatted up whore
Another piece to the puzzle.

>>4367676
does she even know her son is using her to shill shitty cameras on 4chan

>>4367661
>>4367676
>>4367681
>BUT YOU CAN'T USE THAT CAMERA, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE ONE I USE!!!
>IM GOING CRAZY AHHHH HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
Why do you devote so much of your time to this cause lil bro?

>>4367684
Does your uh, mom know you made this thread eugene

stop bullying my mom

M43 gets its own thread because the ff and apsc general is called /rpt/

>>4367691
now that you mention it op only posts his snapshits in gear threads… while arguing about gear.

>>4367688
i hope she sees this thread

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>>4367692
>now that you mention it op only posts his snapshits in gear threads… while arguing about gear.
the most successful "look at my photos" thread

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>>4367696
>make fun of my photos of the same 3 things ad naseum because im an ngmi gearfag obsessed with sensor sizes and yootoob and cant leave the house because then i cant post about sensor sizes on 4chan

After some testing, I have gotten to the bottom of the "olympus has real 5 stop ibis, snoy/canon/nikon only has 2 stop!" despite CIPA rating everything on the same objective mechanical shake device.

And by testing I mean I did a 1/2s shot with my olympus and then did it again with my friends sony and didn't notice any difference.

These m43 users, and they are always m43 users who leave their proper cameras at home, simply shake more when loading their rice-fed noodle arms with an extra 200g.

>>4367706
rent free

>>4367716
>These m43 users, and they are always m43 users who leave their proper cameras at home, simply shake more when loading their rice-fed noodle arms with an extra 200g.
the average olympus user is 73 years old. that's why they shake more

>>4367717
He's right

Please travel further away from your apartment or at least do some street photography.

>>4367719
hes a kid. he doesnt have a kid, its his little brother or nephew. the pets are family animals. his cope out is “us germans arent allowed to drive frivolously” which is bs, tons of DE landscape fags go on weekened day trips to the alps and shit. hes a kid without access to his own car.

>>4367687
Weak

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>>4367716
>then did it again with my friends sony and didn't notice any difference.
Why do you lie? SNOY shooters dont have any friends.

>>4367751
>aimless seethe
>pic saved from a blogpost about their camera falling into the ocean
Man you are a child arent you

>>4367755
Im starting to think he is

He photographed his dads booze rack to look more adult once

Is there a weather sealed prime for mft?

>>4367716
Why are you friends with faggots?

>>4367871
all the olympus PRO primes are weather sealed

Anyone here have any photographs of farmland or ponies?

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>>4367876
Yeah, but only on film.

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>>4367874
panny has some nice ones too. for future reference, this tool is made for queries like this: https://www.dpreview.com/products/search/lenses#criterias=SpecsCoreParams%2CSpecsLensMount%2CSpecsSealing&paramSpecsCoreParamsLensType=PrimeWideangle%2CPrimeNormal%2CPrimeTelephoto&paramSpecsCoreParamsSubcriteria=LensMount%2CLensType%2CAdditionalFeatures&paramSpecsCoreParamsSearchType=Simple&paramSpecsLensMount=MicroFourThirds&paramSpecsSealing=Yes

>>4367900
actually it's incomplete, looking at it now. the om 20mm f/1.4 pro is missing as are the sealed sigma primes.

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>>4367876
Farmland

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>>4367900
didn't ask

>>4367904
Str8 dookie.

My mom found the thread and is very pissed. She made me sell my OM-5. I'm not allowed to own any m43 gear anymore and have to use Nikon full frame. You faggots did it - m43 is dead on this board now.

>>4367961
Could have been worse. You could have been stuck with a SNOY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmCB9myy0Og

>>4368371
lol the nature photos look terrible. literally phone tier when compared to full frame nikon or canon. are those faggots serious?

>>4368372
lets see your work then

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>>4368408
Literal digislug.

>>4368733
>nophoto
Opinion discarded

>>4368737
A sad individual, assuredly insecure, cannot take a baby.

You can just ask nicely and I'll post a photo, my sweet little suckling babe.

>>4368742
>Still no photo
You dont even own a camera

>>4368742
*joke

I doubt you could take a baby either, but I meant joke haha.

>>4368744
Ask nicely and I can post a photo! :) Why are you acting so aggressive over a little hilarious joke? Is this just how all mft users act?

>>4368747
They are the only people who want a general for a *sensor size* and they are aggressive and delusional anti-ff shills on every platform so pretty much yeah. They’re almost as bad as the spastic that’s here 24/7 crying about sony.

>>4368747
Go head, lets see your photo, nophoto

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>>4368751
Okay! :D You could have said please, but I will oblige. Just a cute lil sunrise snappy I took at the chicken processing plant.

Will you apologize for being so mean and unduly aggressive? I own a handful of cameras, actually!

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>>4368751
Wait, wait! I actually printed and framed this one. Look! Do you like it? :D I made an even bigger print after having this one on my wall for a while!

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>>4368742
I had to physically restrain myslef from writing Fuji BTFO

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>>4368781
Why? That sounds like a silly thing to do.

>>4368788
To let anons figure out the joke by themselves
But m43 threads attract too much autism

>>4368789
But you shoot a Panasonic camera!

>>4368781
Nice fake exif, we can tell this is a sony a7ii with a donut hole lens by how soft it is and how dead and lfieless the colors are

Why do mft users that scream nophoto unprovoked never apologize when the nophoto actually posts cute and cool pics? I'm sad now. I thought he was going to like my pics.:(

>>4368750
m43 is a mount, retard

>>4368931
... Yes? Its both. The sensor is a 4:3 ratio, dumbass.

>>4368976
so is fuji's gfx sensor.

>>4368988
Nta, but he's right. That's what M43 is named after. Nobody says m43 and refers to a fuji

>>4368988
>>4369108
MICRO four thirds

Fuji GFX is large format. LF4/3

>>4369115
>large format

You must have graduated fro. clown school recently.

>>4369115
>>4368988
shit don't even qualify as medium format, its just fat full frame

>>4369123
*Big Beautiful Camera

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>>4369123
>>4369119
>full framers when their sensor is slightly bigger: aps-cope lmao. looks like phone. equivalence doesnt even matter irl lol mft fags be like f4 1/1000 iso 200 photo of a rock kekkerino.
>full framers when their sensor is slightly smaller: NO THATS NOT BIG ENOUGH ITS NOT BETTER ENOUGH SHUT UP STOP EVEN CONSIDERING IT LETS FORGET THIS EVEN EXISTS! THE GFX IS NOT BETTER BECAUSE OF EQUIVALENCE! EQUIVALENCE ISNT EVEN A STOP ITS 1.25X UR MAX APERTURE....
Oh damn, looks like the downsampling factor allows you to gain a full stop of noise perf regardless of equivalence while being essentially immune to aliasing with real world subjects.

A gfx100s is $2500 off ebay, a mid tier canikony FF is $2500 new, if you want the highest quality images which will you pick?

Obviously a gfx, and then get an mft for birdsnaps.

>>4369126
>A full stop
The GFX is more than a full stop cleaner in the studio test scene. Looks more like 2 stops cleaner. Also the exif says the canon was shot at f5.6 1/1250 and the gfx was shot at f5.6 1/2500, so it actually received less light.

>>4369126
I have no skin on your game nigga, I shoot 6x9 film and m43.

>>4369128
6x9 film has the same SNR as m43.

>>4369129
so what, its fun

>>4369129
>The ultimate gearfag statement

>>4369126
You make posts like a mentally ill person. I would recommend that you reflect on your behaviour. It is unsettling.

How come the mft general is so much worse than the fuji general?

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>>4369152
Mental illness is required for any creativity. It comes with long periods of depression, ranting, and avoiding the sun but eventually you will take some better than average photos and maybe write a cool riff.

>>4369160
This person >>4369126 is never EVER EVER producing a single pixel of an image that will even, on the off chance, be considered artistic or art.

>>4369165
I've gotten into 2 galleries in the past month, AND I'm a paranoid schizophrenic. You will never come close to my level of enlightenment.

>But you said something about gear! That's technology! You can't know about technology AND be creative, artists vs nerds is my favorite media trope!
Nice try, you glow in the dark bitch. Never stopped michelango from putting more emotion into an anatomical drawing than you've put into 2000 photos of blurry asian pedestrians.

>>4369183
Post photo. If you do not everyone will know you are a liar and a fraud. No excuse will be accepted.

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>>4369190
>Hey you, dox yourself, give me your personal info, or i will make fun of you.
I will post at a later date unassociated with anything that might identify myself once I accumulate enough photos taken at least 100 miles the present location I did my "professional" street photography in.

>>4369191
Like clockwork. Beautifully done. Now continue wearing your mental illness like a badge of honor.

>>4369192
Paranoid schizophrenia is just reasonable suspicion and heightened pattern recognition. They only call it a disorder because you don't listen to what lawmakers and law enforcement say and distrust authority. It's worse for them than it is for you.

Sorry I didn't dox myself for! Now if you'll excuse me, I have some bugs to collect for my next project, bugs on sleeping hobos. You will never see it in a gallery because you don't go to them.

>>4369196
>more excuses
>lies online
>doesn't have a single photo to share
>Too stupid to realize they are stupid.

A powerful mft user indeed.

>>4369199
>Hey you, dox yourself, give me your personal info, or i will make fun of you.
Yes, you only ask when I've said something you think you can use to compromise my public image and keep me from speaking the truth. very un glowie like.

>>4369200
No one cares about your mental illness. Stop shoving it in everyone's face.

>>4369201
>Fool framers this btfo
The best camera for wildlife: G9II
The best camera for travel: OM-5
The best camera for serious photography: GFX100SII
4:3 complete and utter domination

inb4 some rattly, buggy 645 sized hasselblad with worse noise and blurrier lenses than an aps-c sony. Fuji really completely dominates the medium format market.

>>4369204
Please see
>>4369201

Fool framers don’t have arguments so they can only shame their opponents and beg them to leave.

Schizochad is right, and he won. Full frame just fucking sucks. Not good enough, not small enough.

>>4369201
>but when the mental illness is a full frame shill its ok
get it because only mentally ill people still use ff when the om1 and g9ii exist

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>>4369158
I honestly believe no one here owns a mft camera, it's just trolls trolling trolls (except me, but I don't post often as I am no good).

>>4369218
Post more to remind fool framers what they’re missing (sharp photos, going outside)

>>4369218
This

>>4369216
>>4369212
>>4369219
>not a single person mentions any other camera or sensor size
>mft spergs cannot help but only talk about superior sensor sizes
>Cope harder

>>4369221
>stop bullying my $2000 rock and leaf camera
why are you in the macro/micro four thirds thread if you shoot 35mm small format? shoo shoo

>>4369126
>>4369204
All correct. Small format shooters are free to leave if they don’t like hearing the truth about how “full frame” is oversized and underperforming.

>>4369224
you mean free to rock and leaf

>>4369222
I shoot mf and lf film mainly, and I will never stop bullying the mft cult members and their overpriced phone camera on wheels.

>>4369218
I don't, I'm a nikon fool framer, but these are my favorite threads.

>>4369224
>I can see my leaf 2% better at 12500 iso and 500% crop!

No one who produces anything of value cares in the slightest.

>>4369226
Portra 400 in 645 has less resolution and more noise than a gh6 at iso 400. Thats sad. No wonder you’re so insecure you think you need to so-called bully the so-called cult that has nicer cameras than you.

>>4369229
So full frame is pointless too? Or does it could be better end when sensors bigger than yours begin?

If a gfx is more than a stop cleaner than a 45mp fool frame at the same size, then at 25 or 20mp it would be basically noiseless. Full frame might as well be micro four thirds, so you might as well call it pixel peeping is le bad and buy an om-5.

>>4369230
>645
LOL. Clown school.

>>4369231
Who cares? I don't. Oh wait, mft cult members care too much. Wonder why that is.

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>>4369218
>I honestly believe no one here owns a mft camera
I do but people go ballistic when they see the EXIF, so I usually just post my Pentax or film photos.

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>>4369229
that explains why the worlds top photographers are all using stupidly expensive cameras. they dont produce anything of value unlike us based ff sony chads and our dog pics.

>>4369238
>darktable color science and noise reduction
>no diffuse fill flash, obvious shadow push
how to turn an amazing micro for thads into a micro fool turds

its not your exif its your skills, your exif says a little about your skills (the importance of choosing the right developer for the stock and subject did not go away with film) but it is principally your skills here

>>4369238
Which web 1.0 gif did you get this from?

>>4369239
Well, if you need fuck off big prints that's a whole different ball game than a 2% difference in year to year models or these manufactured pro-sumer console wars that the mft cult members fall for hook line and sinker.

>>4369243
Most pro photography isnt big prints

Its as schizo chad said, once you downscale your 100mp large format four thirds it is over a stop cleaner than full frame and has no aliasing. If you shrink an iso 6400 gfx LF shot and a iso 3200 35mm small format shot to a 3000x2400 print the gfx will have finer detail, no visible grain left after mild post, and no aliasing. It’s just a better camera than full frame. That’s why pros use them. Their shots look professional in any light, at any size, no excuses.

If better doesnt matter to you, why not shoot micro four thirds?

>>4369254
That is not what I am saying at all. Also I have a phone that takes pictures that look 2% worse than mft, but is 1000x more convenient to use.

>>4369238
Tbf your camera is getting pretty long in the tooth. You would really benefit from upgrading to a G9 which would really help control the noise.

That and/or fill flash would go a long ways to help control that noise.

>>4369256
A standard old gfx100 also outdoes every small format camera for image quality at every iso and final image size. It just looks cleaner and more detailed than all other cameras.

If noise and stuff doesnt matter to you, a 20mp om-5 or old em1 with a pair of cheap lenses like a 25mm f1.8 and 12-60 f3.5-5.6will take noticeably nicer photos than a phone and have things like 8 stop ibis, live nd, and better autofocus and burst rates. Once you put an even longer lens on it is totally over for every phone to be released in the next 20 years.

>>4369260
Okay, and 4x5 and 8x10 outdoes 100k digital camera setups.

Nothing I've seen in this thread is more than 5% better than my phone.

>>4369261
4x5 is definitely not outdoing a gfx unless you drum scan or buy a gfx just to take a photo of your photo, and stick to iso 100 slide film, tech pan, and ultrafine 12 speed black and white.

Maybe 8x10 could if you could focus it before the sun goes down, but blurry bug anon cant match up to a handheld focus stack from an om1. Mft > film.

>>4369263
Holy cope beyond cope. True cult member behavior. They got you good, boy.

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>>4369264
I can link you a test where an 80mp camera resolves as much detail as 4x5 portra 400 and equals even slow films because lolfilm had to stop down further and diffracted, with expensive high end scans

A gfx100 is better than most 4x5 and everything smaller including 35mm small format digital. So does it could be better end where your sensor begins, or are you going to write it off as pixel peeping and shoot micro four thirds?

>>4369267
Lmao at your post, no need. I simply do not care about your cope and non-mft shilling. I'm still laughing at your last post. I don't want to die of laughter, please.

>>4369261
You’re full of shit. A phone doesn’t come close to 5% of a G9, let alone a G9II.
A typical phone sensor is about 43mm^2.
A 1” sensor is about 116mm^2.
A mft sensor is 225mm^2.
APS-C is 370mm^2.
FF is 864mm^2.

You roughly double the area going up each format, roughly increasing the performance by about 1 stop. That’s way more than a 5% difference. On a technical level, the difference between a typical phone and a mft is about that between mft and a FF. If you have negligible difference between mft and a phone, then the difference between a phone and FF might not be negligible, but probably won’t be a significant difference.
And that’s frankly just not true. FF is way, way better than phones at taking pictures at a technical level. And mft splits that difference.

Maybe you’ve got a point if you compare a modern phone camera to a pre-2010 mft camera.

And on the aesthetic degree, at 1” you start getting meaningful control of bokeh and depth of field, and mft gives you all the tricks you need except super-shallow-dof, which is stupid for most people, because pictures where the eyes are in focus but the ears are blurred looks fucking terrible and people need to stop using FF at f/1.4 to take generic portraits.

Maybe someday AI bokeh will be nice, but it still looks like shit for anything other than selfies to post on social media.

>>4369269
Lol. The 4 or 5 mft pictures(another hilarious part of this general) posted in this thread look no more than 5% better than my phone. Maybe 6% better because I feel generous.

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>HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN
>I NEED TO BULLY YOU PEOPLE

>>4369267
Here you go bro, 80mp vs 4x5 velvia drum scan pixel peeped to the max, equivalent to a building sized enlargement. 100mp is doubtlessly even better, and you are definitely not drum scanning every sheet like a digital camera is producing its full resolution in a ready to use format. Most of your photos are probably lower res than mft and covered in dog hair. Just buy a g9ii and add dog hair in post lol.

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>>4369273
Incredible post. I would call it an mft general classic.

I appreciate you for all the entertainment today.

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Just got my OM-5 today sisters, I'm blown away by how much better it is at capturing my dog than my fool frame and film cameras ever were, and it's the perfect size to hike with

never going back, EVER.

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>obsession: fed
>anus: anihilated

>>4369285
holy shit, its so sharp, and has basically no noise

micro four thirds is amazing

>>4369273
4 shot stitch from g9ii = 100mp camera
4x5 btfo!

>>4369270

>4369238
>4369218
>4368781
>4367696
>4368408
These photos would be impossible on a phone from depth of field and the resultant bokeh alone. AI bokeh might help but still looks like shit. There are some other tidbits in some of these that would make them not work on phones, too (e.g. close or far focusing distances that make a phone fall back to one sensor and, for other reasons as well, lose a lot of computational oomph).
>>4369266
Even this one, phones don't do that kind of detail especially at the higher ISO. They have to do computational photography to "fill in" the detail, and create a smudgy look with fine details like the dog's hair. It can still be a pleasing snap, and I'd say the aesthetic result would be similar to this one, but on a technical level it doesn't hold up.
>>4367904
This is the only mft photo I've seen here that'd be within 5% of a phone (actually, a phone would probably do better here due to computational photography and its effects on color and dynamic range) but that's possible only because of the large depth of field and low ISO.
>>4367696
You could probably take a similar photo on a phone that is aesthetically close, but would lack the depth of the bokeh.
>>4369238
You'd probably see less noise here and potentially more detail (but also more smudge) due to the magic of computational photography, but that's because it's a photo taken on a camera more than 10 years old. A G9 would assuredly perform a lot better here and take it back above phone's capabilities. But again, a phone isn't going to get that subject separation nor depth of field effect.

>>4369285
Doghair jr. You gave up on your MF shitbox that quick? You've only had it for a a couple weeks.

>>4369294
Okay, I will say 7.5% better. They're still in the same realm of IQ, so it doesn't really matter in the long run.

>>4369295
Yes, I am doghair jr, aka huskyfag, aka cinefag, and I finally took the whole 4/3 pill. That is my latest photo from this amazing new om-5, the best camera ever made. I can not recommend micro four thirds over film, snoy, and niggon enough! It absolute outresolves MF and even some LF film without getting hairs all over my photos. Micro four thirds is the best thing to happen to photography. Everyone should drop whatever they're gearfagging over right now and buy an om-5.

>>4369298
Yeah, no, you're just full of shit with no life other than shit on other people's choice of cameras on 4chan.

>>4369299
>>4369285
Holy shit huskyfag is finally on the right side of history?

Its only a matter of time before we convert doghair, canon shill, clive, and scanner autist

>>4369300
Stay mad, nerd.

>>4369301
Mft cult members are the most gullible people on the internet. No wonder they bought mft cameras! LOL!!!!

>>4369304
Coping so hard you have a g9ii in your amazon cart

>>4369311
In your wet dreams, maybe.

>>4369312
>admits that buying a g9ii is a sexually arousing activity
You’re repressed but you’ll come out as an MFthad eventually

>>4369318
>The mft cult member happily shifts reality to suit their any need.

No wonder they all have the eyesight of an 80 year old welder.

>>4369321
The reality where a 4 shot g9ii stitch is higher res than your doghair camera?

Imagine stitching 8 focus stacks and btfoing a big doghair box

>>4369322
LOL. He proves my point so beautifully. Thank you!

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>>4369285
Very based. For me, it's the Lumix G9II. This camera changed the way I look at photography and finally got me out of the large format gearfag hole. It's so liberating to go from tied to 2-3 tripods, to just walking around and shooting with a light and powerful camera, and getting the same level of quality.

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>>4369325
>>4369285
Such good tonality. Micro four thirds glass is something else.

>>4369325
Beautiful shot.

>>4369325
So this is the power of doghair when you give him a camera made this century

>>4369285
>>4369325
>m43 camera mogs the nophoto SNOY foolframer
Holy shit. Based.
How will snoys ever recover?

>>4369218
I own one and enjoy it but I only take garbage snapshots to use as references for other stuff (textures, lighting, etc) so have nothing ever worth posting because it's all, as the maymay goes, building corners and leaves.

>>4369354
Also these threads are big fucking piles of extra-autistic trolls trolling trolls right from the get-go with OP's "*sisters" and brandfagging and self-referencing buzzwords so there's not much of a reason to open them other than watching the sewage flow.

>>4369355
You don't like swimming in raw sewage? Must not be a based mft user.

>>4369356
I only have the 40-150 plastiGOD and a decentered 17mm so I don't have enough weather sealing for sewage diving. :(

>>4369355
>nophoto
opinion discarded

>>4369358
SAD! but understandable. Maybe one day.

>>4369325
Is that Serbia?

>>4369366
West coast of America during the rainy season. We were helping a friend that didn't have anywhere else to keep their herd of goat/sheep.

>fool framers falseflagging as m4turds falseflagging as fool framers troll /m43/ into saying full frame photos look amazing
>the originals were shot at low ISOs and high megapixel counts inaccessible to any micro four thirds camera
ahahahahahahaha

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tried to do a comparison of my phone 48mp vs aps-cope 24mp but the aspect ratio is different (phone more squary) so the fov was larger for the phone so, there was an unfair advantage for the cam

>>4369563
its already been done, phone loses even to a 5d classic except at zooming in on oversharpened blobby details

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>>4369531

>>4369571
yeah but mine is entry level 1.6x aps, 5d is fool frame

>>4369587
Even APS-C from a decade ago mogs any current flagship phone. Yes even the Ching Chong ones with 1" sensors

Considering getting an E-M1X just to be annoying now that they are cheap enough.

>>4369847
You will only annoy yourself and entertain one person samefagging hate and praise for the lulz

>>4369847
Do it

I'm looking for a compact and affordable (max 1000€ including one or two lenses) mft camera.

Should I consider the Olympus Pen F?
Or maybe the GX80? Bummer though that it has no exposure compensation dial.
Or maybe the E-M5 II or the OM-D E-M10 Mark III?

I'd be thankful for any advice. I want to use it for daily photography, common snapshiting, architecture, nothing fancy really

>>4369989
Lumix G100. Very compact, yet still comfy. Same sensor as the G9 so image quality is pretty great. Detractors will bitch about no IBIS but OIS is common on m43 lenses.

Most of the bad reviews are judging it as a pro vlogging camera, when it’s really meant as a casual hybrid / entry level vlogging. When you look at it as a newbs first camera or a daily carry for someone that otherwise has pro kit, it fares a lot better.

>>4369992
>Detractors will bitch about no IBIS but OIS is common on m43 lenses.
Only on the Panasonic lenses, which makes sense since until somewhat recently the split was always Olympus IBIS bodies but nothing in the lenses (other than a handful of slow and very expensive pro lenses), Panasonic had IS on basically everything higher than the most basic kit lens but nothing in the body. Panny got the better deal since dual IS is more common/possible with recent bodies thanks to all the existing lenses with IS.

>>4369989
Go as new as possible, 20MP sensor if you can, 16 if you're really hurting, I have no idea what the Euro market is like. The Pen-F is basically a fashion piece and yeah it looks neat but that would blow your entire budget on the body alone, and the internals can be found much easier and cheaper in other bodies like the M5 Mark III or (mostly) M10 Mark IV. The older Olympus bodies have truckloads of customization for all your autismal settings-storage but if you're just doing daily stuff with the occasional weird scenario there's no need to go back that far and give up the newer and better sensor. Can't personally speak for the Lumix line unfortunately, having no experience with them, but the 8-whatevers- GX8, GX85, G85- all seem to get pretty good reviews. As for lenses, if you budget it right you might be able to go with a semi-new body and one standard zoom, the Olympus 12-whatever Pro and equivalent Panasonic lenses are all great and a good deal when bought used; any zoom with the Leica name attached is an overpriced gimmick.

>>4369997
Pana has dual IS even in their most basic kit lens
The 12-32

>>4369998
Shit, yeah, that's a good point, I forgot about that little thing and the site I'd checked for reference is outdated and doesn't have it listed; the basic Panny 14-42 kit lens has IS too, or at least the newer version of the chunky one does, the one that says HD on the side. There are too many lenses in this segment and I always forget which one is which.

Still waffling between buying a Lumix 20mm and Olympus 25mm f1. 8 lens. Slow focus isn't a deal breaker and I tend to shoot my 14-42 kit lens closer to 20mm than 25mm but my camera is an Olympus body without PDAF. Is either prime better enough than the kit lens to warrant burning $200?

>>4370055
I used it on gx7 (no pdaf or dfd) and that is quite slow, because it sometimes hunts through the entire focus range. IQ wise it's great and the 40mm fl is definitely a lot more versitile. You probably won't be shooting action with either, so I don't know how much that matters.

>>4370055
In my experience, lumix lenses are almost always optically superior to olympus lenses especially if they're marked MIJ.

Which sucks because olympus makes the best cheap bodies (too many lumix prices are aps-c/ff tier due to video geeks and leica associations, making micro four thirds pointless), with mount flange screws that break any lumix lens sealing.

>>4369989
With that budget and no concern for wildlife videography, you should pretend micro four thirds does not exist, select an aps-c mirrorless based on your personal preferences, and if you overshoot by 1-200 simply do some extra work to raise funds.

>>4369992
The only realistic markets for me are germany and austria, where the G100 is rare and goes for inbetween 400 and 600€.

>>4369997
The gx9 is also available in used and good condition. Read about the GX8***s too. They all seem decent and sell for inbetween 400 and 800€ with a lense or two.
Tending towards Lumix, but I appreciate the insight.

>>4370067
I got the 600D, but it seems as the lenses I got for it wont work with mirrorless.
Shouldnt there still be some other advantages on the m43 side compared to APS-C?

>>4370100
>Shouldnt there still be some other advantages on the m43 side compared to APS-C?
You can get a tighter FOV for less money and a quarter pound less at the cost of a lot of aperture and noise, you get exactly one gimmick (IBIS) more often for less money, and sometimes videofags get to edit their low quality youtube clips slightly more aggressively

>You can get an R7 for $940 in the US
lumixsisters... bye

>>4370104
This has been my argument for a long time; you can get an R7 and 100-500 for far less than an OM-1 and 150-400 or 150-600. There are trade offs only in the sense that Olympus/Panasonic do sell small lenses in all the other focal lengths, whereas the R7 lacks for good wide/normal zooms and primes.

>>4370104
>oversized body with all features cut to upsell you on more expensive body
>canon lens hell: either you get inexpensive but absolutely horrible shit meme lenses with f9 max apperture or you pay thousands of dorrars for red ring L lenses
yeah, canon is worse than even snoy

>>4370104
>>4370175
>muh canonikon garbage

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>>4369989
you have a few options, anon.

fashionable but old and overpriced: pen-f
ugly, somewhat overpriced and old: gx9
actually good but larger than the others: gx8
new, fair price, absurdly good feature set: om-5
old, good price, still good features: em5 mkIII

I would suggest you take a look the the OM-5 (or em5.3). the IBIS is ungodly good, it has PDAF and has quiet a nice feature set you would have to pay for with your ass virginity on full frame systems like canon

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>>4370175
M43 's value proposition is literally everywhere you're not told to look by M43 fanboys. The e-m1 2 and 3 have great gimmick sets, the e-m5 ii and e-p5 are very cheap and fit nicely in a womans purse with a pancake

But when you insist on weather sealing your lens selection is cut down by 2/3 and gets a lot more expensive and a lot bigger.
And when you pursue the higher end bodies, either you're doing video and buying panasonic, or you're engaging in a form of masochism

>>4370176
The R7 doesn't have features cut. That's the really nice thing about it. Its a professional camera, but APS-C - kind of like the nikon z8!

>>4370182
>muh snappy baseplate garbage and paying extra for a brand name that doesn't even have heritage or soul
Olympus m43 died with the e-p5, e-m1iii and e-m5ii.
Also you're the guy who broke his z6 and couldn't afford to fix it

>>4370067
aps-c is a joke. digital aps-c was only invented because manufacturers wanted to sell DSLRs to consoomers really bad but no consoomer could afford the price of a full frame sensor. so they took the cheap APS-C sensors and started peddling the shit to boomers.

APS-C has no place today. it's outperformed by m43 when it comes to crop sensors. and aps-c gear is not lighter or smaller than full frame. only full retards chose aps-c today.

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>>4370184
anon, the baseplate issue does't apply to you because you're morbidly obese and would never go hiking.
but even if you did it's ultra faggy to carry your camera on a PD camera clip. only the worst consoomer cattle do it and it looks comical.
it's another non-issue internet forum nophotos tend to ejaculate about.

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>>4370183
>professional
>aps-c
>canon
lol

>>4370183
>Its a professional camera, but APS-C - kind of like the nikon z8!
The z8 isn't aps-c though

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>>4370187
>anon, the baseplate issue does't apply to you because you're morbidly obese and would never go hiking.
no it doesn't apply to me because i didn't spend an extra $600 on an om5

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>>4370228
might swap this for an a7c desu i ended up repeating most of these shots with a 5lb bronica+tripod anyways

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>>4370229
Is this really the power of 6 stop IBIS?

>>4370229
Or does f/11 aperture on mft actually mean f/124 and you get extreme diffraction softening? There's almost no fine detail resolved in those pictures.

>>4370234
>>4370235
m43 is shit, am i rite?

>>4370238
If you just stitched 4 shots together you could have outresolved 8x10 film, chudsky. Definitely a skill issue.

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>>4370235
>>4370234
>implying it would resolve fine detail anyways

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Z7II cant compete with glorious m43 equivalence

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>>4370241
the dog looks afraid. put away the shitty olympiss camera bro. it frightens him

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>>4370245
It's too sharp for her!

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>shooting below f8 on m43 when not using flash or long exposure
why tho

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>>4370248
Amazingly the quality is the exact same

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>>4370241
I like that some of my 35mm film shots get kinda close to the resolution of this micro camera.

My own litmus test is if the eyes/nose have that wet/glistening look to them the lens is sharp/picture is in focus.

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>>4370254
35mm film is significantly higher resolution than this micro camera.

>>4370247
edit the moire out of you’re snapshits

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>>4370257
Me after realizing a p&s 35mm camera that fits in my pocket outresolves my newly purchased mft camera.

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>>4370266
Sensor size wins again

are we really editing exifs again

>>4370276
Huskychad exif editing skill level: over 9000
Shepgod fake grain and dust adding skills: infinity

The joke of m43 is everyone in the thread actually regrets buying an m43 except for 2 poor eastern euros who see it as the nicest camera 1 months pay can buy

>>4370289
(They are the same person)

>>4370291
>nophoto
opinion discarded

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mucho autismo

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>>4370310
mucho bad photo

>>4370228
>everyone calling this super soft
>can count the pebbles and and twigs

>>4370291
i don't regret my om-5 it's perfect for my skill level (beginner). i also use darktable

>>4370359
>>4370343
>nophoto
opinion discarded

>>4370365
You can only call trips nophotos, sweaty.

>>4370378
Why tho? These fellas haven't posted photo!

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>>4370365
here is my photo made using the om-5 and darktable today. as you can see this is the work of a beginner, barely more than a snapshit. in my defense, i had a bad day on the mountain and had to turn around early as i was feeling lightheaded and sick to my stomach

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>>4370382
Damn. Is base iso 200 for your camera? Your settings are funny.

>>4370365
>>4370379
>Confused reddit tourist still lost
Retard

>>4370385
The sorrows of using an olympus

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>>4370397
Oh, it is base iso... wtf? A 25mm lens' optimal aperture is probably around f4-f8 so that is really the best he could have gotten in a single shot. There's even weird color artifacting in certain parts of the image. Look. The content/subject is not bad at all, but I would probably cry if I got this printed any bigger than 4x5. Landscapes need to be printed big.

>>4370392
Is the reddit in the room with us right now? You sound reddit obsessed. May want to stop going there for a little while, bbgirl.

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>>4370403
Lolympus!

>>4370382
based image, anon. that's what the OM5 is for: to take it with you on your adventure and document it. to hone your skills.

and later when you are a skilled landscape photographer you can come back with a medium format and take a high res/high detail image.

nowhere in that equation is fool frame to be found. it's just heavy with little improved image quality vs your OM-5.

>>4370403
>Landscapes need to be printed big.
i only print 4x6s from a shitty toy printer for photo albums and postcards for family/friends so i'm happy with it. like i said i'm an amateur/beginner and small prints are fine

>>4370385
>show a stunning vista
>OMG ISO 200 FUNNY SETTINGS I USE BETTER SETTINGS WHEN SITTING IN MY DADS BASEMENT SHOOTING ANIME FIGURINES
this board is a demoralization psyop. a crab bucket of mentally ill shut-ins

>>4370433
Delusional german fag pls shut up, even 35mm film like fuji 200 outresolves m43 by 380mp and has 5 more stops of dynamic range