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This is the Film General Thread, aka the /fgt/.
Please post film photos in this thread.
It's ok to ask about film gear in this thread.
>it's not gay to post in the /fgt/, unless you still mount your slides for projection

old thread >>>4372571

Thread Question:
>will there ever be a better 35mm landscape kit than a nikon fe and a bag full of zf.2 glass?
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>>4375751
I hate film so much you wouldn't beleive.
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>>4375751
I love film so much if you don't believe it I'll just impale myself with this guy >>4375764
behind the shed on a friday night until I squirt his manbatter out my eyeballs. That much.
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>>4375751
>5mm landscape kit than a nikon fe
Nikon FA. It really whips the llamas ass. And yeh that fucking Zeiss glass gets me sweaty. I mean god damn. GOD DAMN
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Snapshits in the yard with a new lense.
Points for guessing what it is.

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>>4375780
This shit is called Leucaena and it's almost impossible to kill. It sends down massive taproots and will happily re-sprout into a shrub and flower within a year of being hacked down to a bare stump and doused in glyphosate.
It's continuously covered in sap-suckers that shower you if you ever disturb it.
I hate it a lot.

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>>4375782
This on the other hand is capsicum, and it's very welcome in the garden.

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>>4375782
Sounds like something you deserve tbqhdesu. I feel despair over morning glory in my garden, but now I'm thankful it isn't your gay plant.
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>>4375783
I'm superior to Ed Weston in every way.

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>>4375788
Your peppers didn't make me cum. 0/10.
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i want to go get some film but it is still going up in price and i can NOT find expired locally anymore :(

>kodak gold 200 on zenit E with the jupiter 37A lens

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Posting the whole roll

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>Kentmere 100 on canon 40mm

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Missed focus on these 2. Dunno what happened.

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>>4375870
I was waiting for a runner to enter the frame but I pressed the shutter too early.

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>>4375873
Couldn't get the timing right on these.

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>>4375878
I just gave up on these last few frames and it was getting dark.

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Developed normally in D76

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>>4375885
Could have cropped out the curb here but that would require me to stand at the middle of the road.
>File too large

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aaaaaand last.

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the 3 frames omitted were blanks :/
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>>4375894
stop jizzing on your negatives
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>shot an entire roll of thoughtless snapshots
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>>4375899
Well I am at THAT age. Can't help it sadly :( I even got pyu on the scanner.
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>>4375900
I enjoyed shooting them :D
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>>4375846
sure go ahead, if sharpness is bourgeois concept, selection of images maybe is one too?
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>>4375903
Hyper based.
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>>4375900
Every photo is a snapshot, nophoto
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>>4375913
>the notphotog motto
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>>4375916
>Photo posted [ ]
>Childish response [x]
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>>4375913
>>4375917
>no photos attached to these posts
You don't get to claim other photos as anon, you need to include them with each post, notphotog.
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>>4375918
I'm not claiming any photos, but I'm also not bashing anyone's photos without the confidence to post my own. Continue to be a nophoto and be mad at others who enjoy the craft. Verification not required.

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>>4375918
>>4375917
Time for a photo battle. GO!
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Once moar, Lapland.

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Sleep well, nophotos.

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Does anyone with a Mamiya 7 know what happens if you run a roll through without one of the spools locked? From the unexposed side?
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>>4375860
How can you even tolerate the results from this scanner?
>green arrow: actual dust
>red arrow: actual image detail it decided to delete
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>>4375975
I tried out the software that came with it. I'm using vuescan now and making minor adjustments in GIMP.
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>>4375975
continuing my rant
>>4375871
No gradation in dense highlights, it just piles up everything in an ugly midtone around its limit then jumps to burnt-out.
I'm sure these are terrible looking negs, but still this only looks this way because the scanner has run out of puff.
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>>4375943
>nophotos

Better to be a nophoto than this.
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>>4375979
lmao u mad
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>>4375975
>>4375976
>>4375978
And for context, this is what an un-printably dense HP5 neg looks like when scanned with a camera.
Still looks like burnt toast, but it doesn't get that bronzing effect.
>fresh film
>fresh dev
>5 degrees too hot
>probably ran out of shutter speeds on that camera too

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>>4375982
At a river? I take better photos swinging my camera bro. Learn to compose.
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>>4375878
but like what even actually the fuck is going on here?
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>>4375988
probably a video billboard on a truck caught mid frame?
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>>4375985
>>4375982
PHOTO BATTLE!
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>>4375900
>shot an entire roll of thoughtless snapshots
>>4375985
>I take better photos swinging my camera bro.
You know sometimes it's ok just to head out with a handheld camera and the intention to finish a roll in one hit?
It keeps your eye in, and keeps you feeling confident operating the camera, and sometimes you get something nice.
>doesn't mean you have to post all of them
>doesn't give you the right to cry when people call them shitty

Also, I did post this image in the last thread, but I meant to add that I took it specifically for you /p/, and also blasted the whole roll in 24hrs

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>>4375988
Software issue. Thanks for pointing it out anon. I would have sold this shitty scanner to get a macro lens if not for that.

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>>4375989
You’re shockingly dumb.
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>>4375985
lol u REALLY mad
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>>4375992
>>doesn't mean you have to post all of them
>>doesn't give you the right to cry when people call them shitty
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>WTF NOOOO YOU CANT JUST USE FILM LIKE THAT A STARVING AFRICAN CHILD COULD HAVE TAKEN GREAT PHOTOS ON THAT!!
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>>4376015
I gotcha famm

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I think this thread so far is raising an interesting question.
Should you go out and take photos in bad light?
If it’s the only time you have that week you kind of have to but I think it’s better to work on your schedule so you can fit it in when the light is nice.
I think a lot of the photos so far would be nicer either golden hour or when the sun it out or around dusk etc.
During the day heavy cloud is just so flat.
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He has covered wars, you know

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>>4376061
2 MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT

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>>4376055
Nice light is just a crutch for talentless snapshitters and boomers.
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>>4376063
>>4376061
>an m43 user posting actual photography
>theyre also a darktable user
WHAT

The end times cometh
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>>4376085
weirder things must have happen, right?

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>banned from /sp/ because I said I would drink a shot of fixer if dubs

Fuck this site man
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babbys are hard to photograph

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I'm too drunk but I see some good pics here
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>>4376102
very wiggly subjects indeed
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>>4376119
>Shutter speed: 1/16000th
THERE'S STILL FUCKING MOTION BLUR!?
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>>4376095
Did you get dubs?
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First roll back. Pretty happy with how this looks all things considered. Wishing I had a film stock that had a bit more color for the buildings, but it was a portra 400 kinda day.
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>>4375780
Greetings

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>>4376173

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>>4375860
>>4375975
>automated dust removal without ICE
ICE not working for b&w aside, what's even the point?
it's going to get more wrong than right, especially if it's onboard the scanner and not using modern AI algos
on top of that the "healing" is just a masked blur
is this specifically the OpticFilm, or a Silverfast thing?
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>>4376229
silverfast software being too dated or just me being retarded

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>>4375873
>>4375874
you were trying to copy Bresson's cyclist photo but you don't realize his photo works not because of the cyclist, but because of the composition
>>4375865
even if this wasn't shaky as hell, what are you shooting? what is it about?
what is ANY of these about?
all of them seem hasty and thoughtless
it feels like none of them matter even to you, like if you enjoyed putting a camera on your face and pressing a button as an end in itself, as if the resulting photos were almost like a collateral of your button pressing experience
and this thoughtlessness seems to permeate every step of your "workflow", which seems to be pressing button on camera 36 times > sending roll to lab > getting jpgs from them > dumping them all on this thread

>>4375878
>>4375994
this is proof you didn't even glance at your photos before posting them all here
the first thing I noticed was the horrible central point the image
if not even you would take the time to look at your photos, why would we?
>>4375879
you didn't even notice there's something awfully wrong with these cables?

curating is a crucial part of photography
you didn't even look at your photos
you clearly didn't edit them either
you didn't compose any of them properly, none of them are particularly interesting, none of the subjects matter
it's a whole lot of nothing
good thing you had fun shooting, but it doesn't mean they're any good

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>>4376389
>all of that mental diarrhea
>post a photo of a corner building
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>>4376393
>can't argue any of the points made
>"hurr but but but building corner!"
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My first still life with the 8x10. Hopefully you can see that I attempted to make a thoughtful arrangement of the various elements even if this isn't your cup of tea.

If you had any constructive feed back on composition, lighting, and general aesthetic that would be appreciated.

This image is just me sort of winging it as a first attempt to see what I get when I'm holding a print in my hand. Gotta start somewhere!

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>>4374962
>>4374978
the saga continues. I brought the bellows, 50mm lens, and tripod to the park over the weekend. ultimately the tripod was just dead weight, as all of the shots I took were handheld. I am quite happy with these shots as first attempts, though I already know a few places to improve (including getting a much faster to manipulate tripod if I can find one)

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>>4376500
this particular dragonfly was quite a wonderful subject, sitting patiently on several sunny rocks and leaves as I crawled up to it and got shots. I got quite a few looks and questions about both the camera and the whole... being a grown man with my ass in the air trying to photograph a bug

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bit of a newfag question but what lab do you guys use for development? Been really enjoying shooting on 35mm and testing out different labs across the US but wondering if you all have any recs?
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>>4376503

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>>4376505
this one was taken with a 100mm lens and the bellows. now that i've gotten used to the ungainliness a bit the setup is actually fairly usable. with the 100mm lens especially I only need to stop down about 1&1/3rd for the extended bellows and on a bright sunny day that means I can shoot at f/8-11 1/500 which helps both freeze motion and the camera's movement.

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>>4376506
the biggest issue really is target acquisition (making sure the lens is centered on the subject), and followed closely by focus finding (and threading the needle between in too close and too far). with the 100mm's higher potential dof and being designed for macro its a bit easier, but the 50mm on the bellows is extremely narrow even a higher apertures

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>>4376504
Any "lab" should complete a known process to established specifications.
Outside of having totally unacceptable quality control/hygiene/cost/lead time/location.
Paying some hipster trustfund baby a premium just because of the quality of their insta feed is retarded if a cheaper local alternative exists.
Another variable comes in though if you're the kind of retard that doesn't scan their own film. I that case you're probably better off just sticking to digital.
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>>4376494
this looks very nice in terms of execution
I think the chayote is overexposed in its brightest reflection spots, and looks a bit too bright overall
I love how black the background is, the whites are very bright and the greys are very pleasant
it's very nice how large format gives such detail on the wooden blocks, the ring lines are beautiful
aesthetically speaking, it looks like a very well done study
the farthermost wooden block (the one right behind the bottle) looks misplaced, it's too tall and it feels like it doesn't belong there
the blurred shadow cast upon it is distracting (and somehow annoys me, I can't quite explain)
I feel like it would be better it the block were still there but way lower, like 1cm lower than the wooden block to the right, framing the bottle, it would be great – and the chayote's tendrils would stand out more, just a very white and bright, delicate, organic shape over the solid black background
it would feel more balanced too
and there wouldn't be that little distracting shadow near the top of the left wood
even if you chose to keep the back plank there, it would be nice to have it just a tiny bit further just so you don't have that shadow
the physalises' veiny leaves are beautiful, and I like how they're placed, and how there's a closed one resembling a tiny pumpkin and one coming through the leaves
the cobwebs are very nice too
as a suggestion of something I'd have there as well, I'd say some mushrooms would be nice
their textures tend to be intricate and fluid, I think it would go along very well
that's it

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>>4376513
With the scanning are there any scanners you recommend, only recently got into film and been debating on pulling the trigger on a scanner? I have seen a lot of debate between film scanners and flatbeds around in my research.
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>>4376508
These are a good effort, but none of them are sharp photos.
You really should make a bigger effort to use the tripod and smaller apertures.
One of the biggest things you can do to make tripod use easier for macro, especially at high magnifications, is to use a mounting system that lets you slide the whole camera forward and back.
The right way to use bellows in the field is really to set the bellows length for your desired magnification, and focus by moving the camera in or out, and a macro rail or even a long arca swiss plate are handy for that.
When you have a flash power dialed in for that magnification as well (fixed flash to subject distance) you can work very quickly.
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>>4376514
>>4376494
>doghair & cidade de homos meet again
>they immediately proceed to gay intercourse
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>>4376524
Almost anything it's possible for you to buy will be an improvement over a lab scan in technical quality, and put control over colour and contrast back in your hands.
The gold standard for quality though is camera scanning using a good macro lense.
If that would be your ultimate goal then I'd advise you not to overcapitalise on an intermediate step, and either go straight for that kind of setup, or for the cheapest film toaster/shatbed with film holders readily available.
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>>4376503
dragonflies are some of the coolest animals
motherfucker looks like a military-grade insect from the 80's
this is peak animal design
and it's impossible to see them standing still, kudos for that as well
nice photo
>>4376537
this you? >>4376393
>complaining about pretty much the only person itt who gives feedback a bit more complex than "that's nice", "that's shit" or "kys"
to be fair, that's understandable coming from a nophoto
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>>4376514
Thank you very much for the thoughtful feedback! I missed some hanging cord in one of the corners of course, so I'm going to retake the picture and take into account some of your feedback. I agree about that blurry shadow now that I look at it. Next time I'll post a picture of a contact print to keep things somewhat interesting, and share how good my exposure actually was or not...

If you can believe it this image was taken at f64 using a 300mm lens, 22 sec exposure! If you pixel peep the full res tiff there is some softness due to diffraction, but it's not really noticeable at an 8x10 print size, and completely unnoticeable when scaled down to 3.5mb jpg.
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>>4376524
>>4376542
>will be an improvement over a lab scan in technical quality
labs have scanners ranging from hundreds to thousands of dollars, operated by technicians of questionable skill
that's why you get shitty (worse, inconsistently shitty) results
you're basically telling anon to do the same thing but with cheaper equipment and less experience, and to expect better results
not that I'm disagreeing that people should do their own scans, but your reasoning is bullshit
>The gold standard for quality though is camera scanning using a good macro lense
sure if you mean gold standard for being easiest to set up, generally the cheapest, and giving reasonably good results with little effort
if you mean for quality lmao no but at least it's miles better than a flatbed
>>4376524
don't get a flatbed unless you're shooting LF
even for the best film-oriented flatbeds out there the IQ is poor at best and only recommended for LF because the other dedicated scanner options for film that large start in the 10s of thousands USD
either scan with a camera, or buy a coolscan 5000 (assuming you only need 35mm)
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>>4376524
You can in theory at least (but it's a lot of work and easy to fuck up) get better technical image quality of scans with a DSLR/Mirrorless scanning rig. These can cost a lot if you don't have all the bits lying around already.

stuff like plustek outresolves flatbeds like the v600/v700/v800 for 35mm but it's slow.

Flatbeds like v600/v700/v800 give relatively low resolution out of 35mm film compared to the alternatives but are quick and convenient and good enough for social media that will be seen on phone screens. Once you get up to medium and large format they are getting enough detail out to make reasonable sized prints.
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>>4376761
>but it's a lot of work and easy to fuck up
>tripod, extension rings, a led panel and 3d print the holders

its not rocket science m8
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can someone asspill me on rolleiflexes? been thinken about getting info medium format
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>>4376887
The 2.8 planar is a killer lens, the less "legendary" lenses are also great and they are very fun to use handheld/walking around because they're relatively compact and don't have a giant mirror that adds motion blur to all your pictures.
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>>4376887
this >>4376890
also the square format makes you think of composition in a very novel and particular way
square format can make portraits feel very balanced, landscapes be solid, street can be also very dynamic etc.
TLRs are also very discrete, despite feeling a bit big. But they're pretty much the same size as a regular 35mm SLR with a 50mm, and not putting it in front of your face makes them very unnoticeable

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>>4376897
>TLRs are also very discrete, despite feeling a bit big

And people tend to react more positive to them!

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>last week found a bellows + camera body + lens set for 25 dollars, in 99% working order (oh no the ttl light meter from 50 years ago doesn't work)
>today picked up a 28-210 zoom + macro vivitar for $25, looking through it appears blemishless and the only "issue" is a missing lenscap (and the heft of the damn thing)
you are picking up interesting and cheap stuff for your vintage systems on craigslist, right /fgt/?
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>>4376901
God I wish, everyone here has the attitude of "I know what I got" so fuck me, buying shit from ebay its actually cheaper
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>>4376900
>noice contrast
also many people don't even recognize them as cameras, or at least not at first glance, and operating them is the type of action that just blends in (unlike putting an old camera directly in front of your face)
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>Pretty sure I just scratched an entire roll because I went too hard with the squeegee
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>>4376915
The Film Developing Cook Book says never use a squeegee (or even your fingers to squeegee) but to use a finger on one side of the film to push the water off, then the other, to limit scratches
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>>4376905
good moment. the drummer, the mother and her child especially
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>>4376887
TLRs are awesome, but Rolleiflexes are pretty expensive for what you get. Unless you've got a ton of money laying around, I'd recommend a Yashicamat or Autocord. Most TLRs are pushing 60+ years old, so they'll probably need some TLC before they're ready to go.
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I just grabbed a Canon 1V for $750 shipped. With a roll of count 82, the HS and normal battery grips. I am excited.
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>>4377013
Based 1V bro. Awesome deal. What lenses do you have to use with it? It's a god tier camera.

My advice is to get a 10 pack of cheap film so you can use the 11fps! You'll burn through rolls incredibly fast with the snappy AF + fast auto winding.
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>>4377018
>My advice is to get a 10 pack of cheap film so you can use the 11fps!
I don't shoot anything that will need the FPS, but I'm tempted to go find something to try it once just to see it.

>What lenses do you have to use with it?
Nothing amazing. My 5d came with the Canon 28-105 . But I also have the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8, which I actually really like. I'm going to save up and grab a stabilized 24-105 next.
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>>4377025
Yeah, you gotta try it a few times. It's really cool, especially with the AI servo AF. I prefer the shutter sound without the grip, but they both sound pretty good. You can shoot much faster with the grip, and I like having the controls and shutter button on the grip when shooting vertical. Very convenient.

Digital-era L lenses look great when used with film. Awesomely sharp and the AF is just insanely fast.

I will suggest reading the manual over so you can understand all the features and customization you'll get.

Pic was with a 70-200 f2.8 ii and probably 50D with a bit of sharpening applied. Sorry it's so dirty.

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>friend of mine was moving abroad
>gave me some old film cameras and a couple rolls of film
>they were his girlfriend's uncle's
>friend said he only ever used one of them and it came out with double exposures on every frame
>they were all test photos of shit like computer screens and cigarrettes in ashtrays
>old computer screens and cigarrettes plastered over all of friend's vacation photos
>he warned me of this
>used one of those films once
>picrel is from one of the T-Max 400s
>some patterns from funguses or maybe electrostatic discharges [?]
>only used it for testing cameras and unimportant stuff
>some 3 or 4 rolls shot
>never had a problem other than the occasional fungus/electrostatic pattern
>used one on my new FM2 after having the shutter curtains completely fucked by the motordrive to test and see if everything was working fine
>stick T-Max 400 in it
>eager to use the FM2 again
>took some really lovely pictures of a type of tree that I love, it was completely loaded with flowers
>the day after, feel something weird when shooting
>mirror got stuck
>still covered by warranty, so it's back at the repair shop (at least I'm not paying)
>take roll out midway through, put it in other camera and finish it
>be today
>just developed it with Rodinal
>turns out it was a test roll from friend's uncle
>all black roll
>completely exposed to light
>only a small strip on the tip was clear, unexposed (from the part closest to the canister)
>the trees I like are not blooming anymore
i'm bummed :/

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how's the minolta scanners? specifically the 5400 elite II
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>>4377082
there is a minoltafag lurking here
on paper its a good scanner
>ice
>auto focus
>good resolution
>effective density range is acceptable
only thing it lacks is a way to do batch scans
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>>4376551
>>4376551

Not him but the Brazilian dude that can't develop Ektar or color correct is a self absorbed asshole. I remember he gave me some critique I didn't read and then sperged out when he saw I posted my photo elsewhere. He thought he mattered that much where I posted my photo elsewhere to get the feedback I wanted instead of his """""honest""""" critique when in reality I never even paid attention to what he said to begin with. I only noticed he said something after he reposted my photo thinking it was about him not giving me the validation I wanted when in reality I didn't even know about his shit take.
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>>4377224
>Not him but the Brazilian dude that can't develop Ektar or color correct is a self absorbed asshole
I'm him, faggot. I'm the Brazilian dude lmao
>I remember he gave me some critique I didn't read and then sperged out when he saw I posted my photo elsewhere.
never did that, the fuck you on about?
>I only noticed he said something after he reposted my photo thinking it was about him not giving me the validation I wanted when in reality I didn't even know about his shit take.
I've never posted anyone else's photo
so you're either lying with that vague ass story, or you're mistaking me for someone else
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>>4377236

Oh my bad, confused you with someone else then.

>>I'm him, faggot.

Yeah, I may have had the wrong person but you're still a faggot. L2Dev
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>>4377264
we're all faggots, just different flavors
here's some Ektar [?]
why do you say it's badly developed?
looks fine to me
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>>4376514
Good, it seems you learned since:
>>4377267
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>>4377270

at least it's better than his self portrait
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A couple chick pics I took a while ago.

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2/2

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>>4377415
>>4377414
>behold the power of the shatbed
Just scan on your 5d. Sigma makes a very sharp 70mm macro for EF.

Camera scanning processes frames 100x faster and way better looking. A flatbed can not even extract 1/4 of medium formats resolution at its finest detail setting, and on 35mm it's even worse.
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>>4377418
I'm not sure why these 4x5 scans downscaled so much when I exported them as jpegs from lightroom. I tried once to fix it but got lazy.

I'm way too lazy to stitch 4x5 from a FF scan and 22mp 5dm3 only produces results that are marginally better than my shitbed with 35mm...

They're pretty sharp in full res, and I posted more for content. These were fairly challenging shots to take using flashes and I think these 2 are pretty cool.
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>taking photos of chickens its challenging
l m a o
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>>4377424
4x5 on a tripod, near macro magnification, full strobe set up with umbrellas, cramped brooder, hot as hell, tiny, skittish, constantly moving subject.

Sounds like you don't know chickens or large format, boy.
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>>4377424
I don't have a picture of my setup, but imagine 2 strobes on stands with umbrellas and a monorail camera crammed into that far right corner. The tripod was set with the camera about 1 foot or less from the ground.

If you have something like a 1V with AF and a macro lens and a flash on the hotshoe it isn't difficult to take chick pics, but going in with the big boy gear was definitely challenging.

I would love to see the images someone else captures in such a setting.

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>>4377433
>>4377440
No I am not terminally retarded, you are just like those dumb niggers installing linux from scratch.

Just because its difficult doesn't make it valuable.
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>>4377449
Brother, if you want anyone to believe you I would suggest coming up with a better analogy.
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There's a very cool and rare camera on ebay right now.

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>>4377611
doesn't look very pocketable, won't buy
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>>4377612
That depends entirely on the size of your pockets.
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>>4377611
why would I buy that when I can pick up a camera with some CHARACTER for a grand less
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>>4377654
Consider lifting weights if you cannot pick up the most soulful 4x5 gowlanflex.
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>>4377659
shut the fuck up fat fuck
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>>4377668
>lanklet doesnt realize I'm bulking.

LMAO.
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I feel called out film sisters
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What's more hipster (gay), shooting 120 or 135?
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>>4377701
Shooting large format
See
>>4377415
>>4377414
And then see the soul of 120 and 135:
>>4377267
>>4376905
>>4376900
>>4376897
>>4376503
>>4375940
>>4375894
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>>4377701
Film type, subject, and camera dictate that not format.
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>>4377702
Probably whatever this seethelord shoots actually. Lmao.
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Good old decaying hometown.

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>>4377738
I enjoy them for their stark, desolate and moody feels/colors. Composition is pretty good as well.

A fun idea/suggestion for next time would be to look for contrasting themes to add additional complexity or greater meaning to your images.

Favorites are
>>4377742
>>4377744
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>>4377744
This reminds me of walking back to my car during myni
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I found the colors of Kodak Gold 200 to be weirdly inconsistent, does it have something to do with how much you overexpose?
I often get the typical warm colors but sometimes it looks pretty neutral and I do prefer that over the warm look.
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how loud is the self timer on the bessa-l? thinking of using it together with the 15mm as a peeper camera
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It's WHAT week now?
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>>4377748
Thanks. I'm a rock and leaf guy so doing something like this is a rare occasion. I like how the old city center of my hometown has plenty of these places that are pretty much the same as in the 90's, just worn out and declined over the decades of downtown slowly dying in the death grip of gigantic automarket malls by the highways. The main promenade is still alive and well but go immediately outside of it and you're in a museum.

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A nice red Lada for a good finish.

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>>4377969
I love these shitboxes like you wouldn't believe it
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>>4377969
retard here, are you shooting from a tripod or offhand and what setup are you using?
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>>4377982
Shot these with the 1.2/50 MD and 2.8/28 MD, handheld. Film is Ultramax that I rated at 1000, however normal developing which worked fine. I was originally going to push dev, but it would have just been a waste.

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What the FUCK do I do if I want an (ideally natively) interchangeable film+digital setup based on my current gear? I have sold a lot of stuff off and am mostly down to basics right now.
Bodies:
>Nikon F3
>Canon 5D4
Lenses:
>Nikkor 50/1.8 Pancake (pic rel)
>Canon 24-105/4L
>Voigtlander 40/2
That's it. I haven't dug myself into this corner on purpose (combination of hand me downs and not thinking about compatibility). I want to expand with a couple more Voigtlanders (a tele and a wide) because they're cool and work for my style, and ideally use them on both film and digital.
Got an F->EF adapter with focus confirmation chip specified for 5D4 hoping it would be at least a temporary solution. Tried mounting the 50/1.8 on my Canon. Focus confirmation didn't work and the ring was way too fucking tight (well-sealed for sure, but not practical).
Do I get a modern Nikon DSLR, and slap a prism focusing screen in it (or use LV focus peaking assuming D780)? Or any Z body with FTZ adapter? Seems janky though EVF has better options for MF. But shooting exclusively F glass on Z mount feels sad.
Or do I abandon the F3 entirely and get an EOS SLR? Hardly as much neat and compact glass but I could use the zoom and the 40/2 I already have.
Or give it all up and shoot Pentax?!
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after gotten used to split-image focusing aids in SLRs I really hate using mirrorless cameras, I wish they would have focusing aids that mimic split image focusing through a ground glass
hate focus peek
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>>4378006
lmao just take pictures and don't worry about it bro
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>>4378019
snapshitter hands typed this post
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>>4378019
Yes, but I need to expand my glass options beyond the single niftyfifty I've been shooting with for a decade and I want said glass to be versatile if I'm gonna shell out the cash. Instead of maintaining parallel systems, I want to about squeeze as much value and utility as I can out of a smaller set.

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>>4377984
what sort of corrections did you have to do after scanning?
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>>4378006
Just get a D800 and keep the F3. Or swap the F3 for an F80, F100, F5 or F6, to get something with modern functionality. Hell, F65 and F75 are also fully compatible with modern F-glass. Even with VR.
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Look at this baddie. 8x20 format is insane. Just imagine the landscapes and weird full body portraits, and 1:1 shots of your cat or small dog you could take with this thing.

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>>4378089
25 sheets of 8x20 hp5 is 500 dollars lol. Worth it for those 1:1 shots of your cat.
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>>4378027
Not much, just healing a few dust specks, the lab did a good job this time. Other than that slight tweaking of contrast, downscale + sharpen and that's about it. Nophoto because phoneposting.
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>>4378089
is there any real difference between large formats?
what's the real gain from shooting 8"x20" instead of any other large format aside from aspect ratio and pixel peeping faggotry?
there's no visible difference between a 4"x5" and and 8"x10" in terms of resolution unless you're enlarging it at an absurd size and there's no way you faggots are printing 3m wide shit
it's also prohibitively expensive, there's basically only HP5 to use, it's probably very cumbersome to develop and scan, not to mention how fucking gigantic the camera itself is, so what's the point?
is it just a flex?
p.s.: i googled 8"x20" photography and found just one guy who shoots the most boomer tier shit I've ever seen
also the aspect ratio is ugly as shit
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>>4378245
Large format film is shot exclusively for the visual effect of the various tilt and shift movements and the reduction of the visual appearance of grain (they call it "tonality"). Its basically a creative/artistic pursuit, not a technical one.

Stop reading here if you value your sanity.

Some idiot will start rattling off megapixels, but listen, LF cameras are too imprecise to achieve those megapixels.

the lenses are not up to the task of enlarging the whole 4x5, 8x10 etc frame so any given 35x24 slice would be enlarged as much as 35mm film would. they are just worse than the lenses used for smaller formats.
the lenses also diffract at the same aperture as they would on 35mm. LF shooters say shit like "no diffraction until f64" but that means relative to their enlargement factors. if you enlarged it to the same degree as 35mm you would see diffraction really kick in around f11 all the same - unusably thin DOF on large format.
the film is not perfectly flat so thin DOF is a fun way to have random OOF spots.
and the cameras are mostly rattly, wobbly things.

these fags had a big argument lately because some gearfag was testing his film cameras vs his 80mp phase one and his 4x5in large format camera actually only did as well as his 6x7cm medium format mamiya, which pissed off both a very angry digital camera fanboy, and a very dumb large format film fanboy because the results confused them. and then the large format film fanboy rediscovered an aperture test he did... and saw diffraction at f11 and quite a soft lens at f5.6, meaning the gearfags LF resolution tests at f22+ were definitely not showing the films resolution, paring the results down to:
6x7 with the most expensive, most rigid medium format rangefinder with the best lenses can approximately equal 80mp digital, if you don't value shadow DR or shadow/deep midtone resolution because film just resolves a VOID where digital sees sharp detail, which is why we stopped using fucking film
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>>4378248
>film be like: large format is 400mp! (zone VI and above) (monorail cameras with vacuum backs and $20,000 prime lenses only)
kek
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>>4378248
>6x7 with the most expensive, most rigid medium format rangefinder with the best lenses can approximately equal 80mp digital, if you don't value shadow DR or shadow/deep midtone resolution because film just resolves a VOID where digital sees sharp detail, which is why we stopped using fucking film
just expose for the shadows, bro

but yeah, this really made me think about if shooting film is worth it if in the end you get them scanned and load them into lightroom anyway, like you would your RAW files

for me it's the tactile feel and not being able to shoot 100 photos of the same subject at slightly different angles and settings, limitations help creativity

I was thinking how 135 doesn't give me enough detail but going mf would be much more cumbersome for sure and only gays pixel peep anyway
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>>4378257
>just expose for the shadows bro
Film does not have infinite highlight DR bro. It has 12-14 stops depending on stock just like digital.

With most lenses and most cameras, most scenes, and most photographers, MF film does a worse job than a nikon d850. Most lenses for MF are not that great. Most cameras have a lot of mirror slap vibration or imprecise focusing and film flatness issues. And if you do everything right on a tripod with mirrors locked and premium lenses painstakingly focused, you'd still need to scan your MF film on very high end, expensive kit (like a fuji GFX100 and a $4000 hasselblad macro lens) to actually get the absurd megapixel numbers once in a blue moon assuming your subject was lit well enough for film to even record the detail it "could".

Just shoot 135, scan with any dslr with 20mp-ish, and print small.
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>>4378262
why are you posting AI trash, I want to puke
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>>4378262
get the fuck out with this disgusting slop
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>>4378245
Greater tonality, contact prints, and the look, duh. Have you ever seen a contact print in person, or just a shitty scan of one?

Heal yourself from the resolution trap chart fag. Every camera, film, lens, format is merely a way to achieve a look or successfully capture an image. If that is the look you want then it is the right choice.

>limited film choice
You can barely tell the difference between films and developers when contact printing large format. There is such a subtle difference between fp4 and delta 100 you just about cannot tell them apart.

Who cares about inconvenience when you're going for ultimate image quality? If that's the look you're going for don't let anything stop you from it. An 8x20 would be an invaluable tool for fine art processes that rely on contact printing as well. You may just want to consider a point and shoot digital camera with your attitude.

>>4378248
Top half is reasonable, bottom half is just mental illness cope from someone who has never worked the format, so your opinion is rightfully discarded.
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delta 400 pushed to 800. also coocked in atomal. massive dev chart's timings were incorrect

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>>4378272
Ducks are cool and fun to photograph. I like them as well.

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>>4378274
pretty nice, would be even better if the nose was in the middle of the frame so the left side would be empty
just my 2 cents
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>>4378262
god i wish women were real
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has anyone tried printing digital photos on film (fotospeed digital contact film)?
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>>4378248
Thanks for the lengthy response
I didn't know about those tests and shit but it seems almost obvious to me that medium format is more than enough in terms of resolution
Arguing about resolution between MF and LF to me is just fucking pointless, it's like arguing whether a Buggati or a Lamborghini would be the fastest to go to work
Either will be more than enough
We don't print fucking building sized photos
I'd like to shoot LF one day because of the tilt shift, the big ass negatives (or positives, LF positives are crazy), not because of resolution
Also must be cool shooting wet plates
So in the end 8"x20" really is a faggot format

>>4378267
>You may just want to consider a point and shoot digital camera with your attitude.
congrats on being as deep as a saucer in your text comprehension skills
not really worth it to waste my time answering you considering you completely missed everything I was saying, sorry
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>>4378329
Just so you know that guy is wrong about almost everything he said. He doesn't even realize that you don't need sheet film to use camera movements...

There is a big jump in quality between an 8x10 contact print and a 4x5 enlargement for a variety of reasons, and one of the main ones is removing the enlarger from the equation. You may not see grain on either, but the 8x10 print will have noticeably finer tonality.

8x20 is for contact printing aka the finest form of printing possible.
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>>4378329
And let me just add that the panoramic sheet film format smaller than 8x20 is 4x10, which may be a little bit small for contact printing compared to 8x20. 8x20 is kind of massive. A good panorama would look fantastic as a print that size.
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>>4378333
okay but back to my question:
what is the point of 8"x20"?
>muh contact print
i'm talking about being pragmatic
fuck resolution, at this point it doesn't make a difference
medium format is more than enough if you're not pixel peeping or enlarging it to a ridiculous size like a fucking wall
>the 8x10 print will have noticeably finer tonality.
is this the reason?
how noticeable is it among big ass large formats? will you have noticeable finer tonality with a 8x20 in comparison to 8x10?
>8x20 is for contact printing aka the finest form of printing possible
I appreciate the craft, but we all know this is pure gearfaggotry when we're comparing different sizes of large format
I'd also like to point out that
>the aspect ratio is fucking shit
>there's very probably a very narrow variety of lenses to pick from
>probably not as good as 8x10 lenses since they're way more common and there's more variety and optics knowledge and fine tuning
>I don't know if it's the boomer's fault and lack of taste but it looks like there's lots of distortion on the edges, a bit like a fisheye although more subtle
>only film available is HP5
>can't shoot color, can't shoot chrome, can't shoot anything that isn't HP5
I like HP5 but I wouldn't want a comically big HP5 machine
>everything related to processing it must be a hassle
>probably can't enlarge it anyway since you won't have an enlarger that'll fit it
at this point just go full autism like that @hao.bill on instagram and make a window sized wetplate, at least it's cool
8"x20" is clearly for divorced dads who are not allowed to see their kids and have lots of disposable income and tiny dicks
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>>4378335
>8x20 lenses
Many, many 8x10 lenses will have more than enough projection to shoot 8x20, promise.

>8x10 vs 8x20
You're missing the point completely. I doubt many people are enlarging 8x20. You choose a ULF format so you can make contact prints. You don't choose 8x20 over 8x10 because it is simply bigger. It is for the aspect ratio and contact print size. There's an insane difference between 6x7 and 8x10 even when scanned. Get real.

>pixel peeping
Tonality is not really noticed by pixel peeping. It is a finer look to the print overall. It is tied to resolution in a way, but it is different than simple resolution.

It's absolutely a niche format even compared to 8x10, but you just sound childish seething about a freaking film size. Grow up.

>processing
Tray processing is not really a hassle unless you're impatient or dislike being in the dark. You just need big trays and more developer.

>film selection
I will concede on this one point. Film selection is sorely lacking. If I was using an 8x20 camera I would mainly be using it for wetplates, and making negatives for plat/palladium printing in all likelyhood. I don't think I would miss color film in that size, but that's just me. It would also be a bear to contact print 8x20 ra4 prints.
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Compare these if you wish. You may understand things a little better. Try and look at them on something other than a phone screen if you can.


MF shots
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>>4376897
Pic attached is also MF

8x10 shot
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>>4378341
>Many, many 8x10 lenses will have more than enough projection to shoot 8x20, promise
fair enough

>It is for the aspect ratio and contact print size. There's an insane difference between 6x7 and 8x10 even when scanned. Get real.
yeah of course there is, and contact prints look fantastic
of course there's a difference, I'm not ignoring that
hence why i'm comparing LF to LF
so in the end the only reason is because of the contact print in a certain aspect ratio, isn't it?
not being sarcastic or anything, I truly don't see any other reason than that

>Tonality is not really noticed by pixel peeping. It is a finer look to the print overall
there's a great difference between MF and LF in terms of tonality indeed, like in the examples given here >>4378343
but again: I'm comparing LF to LF
there's no sensible difference in tonality between 8x10 and 8x20
not even when comparing 4x5 and 8x20 if we're talking solely about tonality

>It's absolutely a niche format even compared to 8x10, but you just sound childish seething about a freaking film size. Grow up.
so then again it's all about contact printing and aspect ratio
which is a choice
it's a choice made by small pp divorced dads tho
think of the whole logistics and costs of using that shit
I concede it must be cool having an 20" long contact print IF the shot is fucking amazing
I still hate the 8x20 aspect ratio though


>Tray processing is not really a hassle
yeah tray processing will be the same, I expressed myself poorly
I was thinking more of how to digitize it
I figure LF scanning is always a pain in the ass, and the bigger it is, the more cumbersome it becomes

>If I was using an 8x20 camera I would mainly be using it for wetplates, and making negatives for plat/palladium printing in all likelyhood
yeah me too, but if I'm going full autistic I'd rather have a retarded camera like the guy I mentioned from instagram

so in the end the whole thing is about having a big ass contact print
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>>4378355
4x5 and 8x10 have noticeable differences in tonality, but not usually grain when 4x5 is enlarged to 8x10. Keep in mind it is 4x bigger. Isn't that close to 35mm vs 6x6?

And yes it is literally all about the contact print when you get bigger than 8x10. Contact printing is so incredibly high resolution that you choose larger formats to preserve that and not have to put your negative through extra glass. It's a different thought process/paradigm entirely when it comes to making prints.

The other kind of person who would use 8x20 is a real artist making beautiful prints no matter how inconvenient. It don't need to be much deeper than that.
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>>4378355
OH. Almost forgot to mention that contact printing let's you use silver chloride emulsion paper + amidol developer, which produces the most beautiful silver gelatin prints in existence. That's the other reason you should contact print large format. The paper itself has far deeper blacks, and is much finer grained than normal enlarger paper. It's about 8x slower than normal paper, which is why you can't use it for enlargement. 10-30 min exposures under an enlarger light.
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>>4378362
ok then
as with everything I have absolutely no problem with a medium (albeit still thinking 8x20 aspect ratio is horrendous lol)
didn't know about the whole amidol shit, that's cool
I think mediums are made to be used and to get the most out of them
large format has its place, and it comes with the whole process (carrying a large ass camera, taking the time to set everything up etc. etc. etc.)
>The other kind of person who would use 8x20 is a real artist making beautiful prints no matter how inconvenient
sure, i totally agree
I just still don't think the regular person buying that monster out of ebay for fun and their hobby would get the most out of it
probably just shoot baby chicks
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>>4378262
lol AI has clearly never ridden a horse
lmao even
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ok it's my turn to be a faggot
spending a week in Chile
won't ask if that's enough though because it's certainly more than I'll shoot
I just like not having to worry about running out of film
also considering bringing a Yashica D as a not fucking huge medium format alternative
unfortunately my FM2 is still in the repair shop because the old man got sick and couldn't work for a couple days, so I'm bringing the Pentax
he's fine now though (:
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>>4378364
Yep. All of Edward westons prints were produced with silver chloride emulsion paper + amidol.

Those baby chicks are only in 4x5. FIRSTLY it's a meaningful picture because it's from my first batch of chickens I hatched, and SECONDLY I think they're nice images that have something more to them than just a picture of some chicks, but I am biased. The way they're all staring at the camera and such. It's got a vibe, and it's not a terrible picture of some birds. Took me a couple hours setting everything up and taking the pictures. THIRDLY I decided I would challenge myself by taking those pictures and I did it.

Part of what I love about large format is the time consuming process and all the little things you have to get right. That still life of those vegetables took me around 3 hours to set up and photograph. It's fun. I much prefer taking one picture a day than taking 36 snapshots or half decent pictures with a 35mm camera.

Not many people who buy panorama format cameras in any film size make the most out of them. I think it's one of the most difficult formats to utilize well. Starting with a 6x17 back for a view camera would be a good start and if you LOVE pano shots you could move up to 4x10 or 8x20 eventually. Read reviews about the tx1 or xpan and they usually end by saying it doesn't get much use.
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>>4378367
You should bring your gx680 instead.
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>>4378370
unfortunately I don't have one ):
the RB67 is my dream camera though, and I like the 6x7 proportion
I'm bringing 2 6x7 backs and one 6x4.5
I'm really considering bringing the Yashica though
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>>4378371
Oh, I thought you were someone different. That's awesome you found your dream camera. :D

I think I found mine in the 8x10 sinar P.
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>>4378373
thanks man, hope you're enjoying it
I always wanted the RB since 2015 when I started shooting
got mine at the end of last year
fucking love it
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>>4378275
yep. that's true. pic rel svema400
>>4378286
it would be, but taking photos of 8 months old babies is really difficult. especially with the incredibly slow and loud Sigma90mm2.8macro.

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Is flying with film a big pain in the ass or nah? I've seen a few videos that say taking iso 100 film minimizes the fog if you have to put it through the xray, but I only really shoot 400 or highter. Should I just bring a digital camera if I have to fly? Has anyone had first hand experience with flying with film?
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>>4378421
X-ray affects the film but effect is not very notisable. 400iso is okay if you are going to flash it 2 times, but if you will have multiple flies during your trip it will be better to take digital.
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>>4378396
I travelled for over 2 months and my film went thru multiple scanners on airports and train stations. CT scanners are the ones that do affect your film and I don't know how many times it was scanned by those. I did get a hand check before I left the US but didn't really bother after that.

Not counting the train stations, I think my film got scanned in in like 8 airports and some of those had 2 check points.

This is 800T

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>>4378431
Thanks, that is helpful. Especially the example photo, I cannot tell there is anything unusual about it. That makes me feel more confident. Especially because it's such a high contrast scene, I would expect it to highlight any fog, and it looks fine to me.
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>>4378431
aha so the x rays and ct scans did absolutely nothing to this 800 asa film
that confirms my experience travelling with one roll of proimage 100 throung like 12 countries and their ct and xray scanners (even put the camera and film in the checkin luggage on my way back)
ive wondered if my film was too low asa to be affected but now i know even 800 is just fine through the airport
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>>4378431
you have nothing to compare with to say this wasn't affected
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>>4378433
here is the video with comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRlReCTzDV8&ab_channel=LinaBessonova
you can skip her being an attention whore and go directly to 21st minute
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>>4378433
Here's another

>>4378439
I never said the scans didn't affect it. I watched that vid when I returned from my trip and felt dread. Got one roll sent to the lab just to see how bad it was before I bought my own chemistry to develop the rest of the rolls myself and I was ok with the results.

If you're going to shoot panoramics with sheet or 120 I'd be a lot more concerned. If you're just going to be a snapshitter, only using 35mm, you'll be fine

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>>4375751
Will you descent?
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>>4378556
make it 800 and I'll consider it
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>>4378523
nice tones
>>4378525
this is neat
>>4378556
yes, I know it's a trap but it would be way too funny if something happens to me down there
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has anyone done anything with the film photograhpy project 35mm film stocks? i picked up fpp mummy and thinking about shooting street today. i only ever used kentmere 1/400 or delta 400 with a red filter.

also is there any 4x5 shooters here? is the winsta 45 sd a good field camera? i have a crown graphic and a toyo 45e mono but ill be retarded to bring the monorail out hiking. graphic has little movements but idk if itll be good enough for landscape. any ideas?
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>>4378577
Linhof super technika clone.

Should be fine movement wise for most landscapes. Don't expect to use the rangefinder unless you have cammed lenses, or get a set of cams for the lenses you have.
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>>4378527
this reminded me of an amazing comic book called the sandbox (a caixa de areia), by Lourenço Mutarelli
it's about a guy whose toys from back when he was a kid start appearing in his cat's sandbox
when he was a kid he used to bury the toys in his backyard, and then decades later they resurface in the cat's litterbox
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>>4378577
I've shot their Svema rolls. Do those count?
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>>4378586
Dont call that Astrum shit "Svema". After talking to Svema's ex chief technologist I sincerely hate Astrum
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Whats a good focal length to get about 2-3 feet of focus on longer subjects? Shot on the prime 50mm f1.8 lens on a Miranda auto sensorex which has since been retired cuz the mirror refuses to lock-up on half the shots. Moved onto a Nikon F2 and I'm trying to get more into product photography for my business. Any budget manual focus f-mount lens recommendations?
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>>4378603
why tho
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>>4378611
just stop your lens down, bro
wide angle gets you more in focus but you'd have to move close and you'll get more distortion usually
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>>4378367
help me decide, /p/
last chance
do I bring this bad boy along or not?

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figured I'd go b&w given all the fall colors

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not a big fan of the tones on delta 100 in rodinal, had to adjust it a lot in post. Next time I'll stick with FP4 or tmax.

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>>4378611
Get a bellows attachment for your camera so you can use tilt/shift movements. There's no free lunch with DoF.
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>>4378676
It's flat. Try a 1+25 concentration next time, or pull the film a stop.
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>>4378678
Push it a stop, sorry.
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>>4378674
nice simmetry
doesn't speak much to me personally, but it's very well done
>>4378677
how would bellows contribute to a wider depth of field? wouldn't it have the opposite effect?
and why buy an accessory when they can just use a smaller aperture?
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>>4378695
You would use swing to move the focal plane so it follows the length of the gun rather than being parallel to the film plane. It is at a fairly extreme angle, so you probably need to move the camera a bit as well.

A smaller aperture may not provide enough DoF and diffraction may soften the image too much. The other option is to use a wider angle lens and crop, but again you sacrifice sharpness/resolution to do that. Usually with product photography you want the sharpest image possible, right?
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>>4378700
didn't know it was possible to have tilt shift behave this way
actually I've never thought of it this way, but makes sense
must be cool
I'm thinking of getting a large format camera in a near future
haven't started looking into it yet, but the bellow movement is what itches me

anyway, do you guys recommendations on what to look for in a LF camera?
I'm thinking 4x5
what more than just the camera do I gotta worry about?
aside from a sturdy tripod, of course
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>>4378706
have any* recommendations
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>>4378706
Rear standard movement will usually produce Perspective shift. Front standard manipulates focal plane.

If you're doing studio type work or macro work a monorail is going to be what you want. Sinar f2 is a fantastic and inexpensive beginner option. It's light enough you could sort of bring it hiking if you wanted as well. Monorail are very simple cameras, so just about any brand in your price range is good, BUT sinar has the best accessory ecosystem out of any camera ever, so I always recommend them. The F2 can be had for around 300 dollars.

Field camera is much more compact, but less movements, so it is ideal for hiking and landscapes, decent for macro. Portraits don't need much movements so a field camera is a good option if that's your focus. People love the allure and beauty of a wooden view camera, so you may get more out of your subject than with an ugly cube like the sinar f2.

Linhof makes the best metal field cameras, but they are heavy and somewhat expensive. Deardorf is very pricey, but a beautiful camera. Chamonix is like deardorff. Wista fields are decent, and more affordable but lack the rigidity for more precise work.

Alsooooo you can buy a mount that let's you use your digital camera instead of film if you wanted to practice. A fair warning about doing so is that basically all LF lenses used on digital will produce softer than normal images because they don't channel the light properly for digital and are not designed to be as sharp as 35mm lenses. Here is a test shot using a modern top of the line rodenstock non-digital LF lens. Basically uncropped.

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>>4378706
Aside from the camera you may want to consider a geared tripod head, a spot meter, film developing kit specific for sheet film, and the lenses of course.

65mm-90mm is good for landscapes
150mm is your 50mm equivalent
200-300mm is good for portraits

Rodenstock,schneider,nikon, and others makes excellent lenses that can be had for fairly cheap.

One thing to note about LF lenses is that some have larger projections than others. Larger projections means that you can use much bigger movements, BUT be warned that pushing your image too far from center will make it a lot softer depending on your lens.
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>>4378706
Another funny digital shot. This was taken using a 1040mm ULF lens. There's some camera shake, but it's pretty soft regardless. I was like 60+ feet away from this turkey, and it's uncropped.

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>>4378710
wow thanks a lot for the infos
I almost exclusively shoot outdoors, I like bringing my cameras with me everyday
I don't think "everyday" is feasible with LF, but I think I'll probably use it a lot outdoors (travelling, bringing it along on leisure days around the city, throwing it in the bag and biking around etc.)
I found a couple monorail ones near me for a decent price
There's a Plaubel that seems fine and already comes with a Schneider lens
Also a Toyo, and a Linhof (but this one without a lens and still more expensive than the others)
Do all monorail cameras have back movement?
Also I don't shoot digital so no worries about that part, but thank you

>>4378712
>Aside from the camera you may want to consider a geared tripod head
will do
>a spot meter
already have it
>film developing kit specific for sheet film
anything else other than trays, clips and clamps?
>and the lenses of course.
sure lol
are LF lenses more expensive than average? like what would be "fairly cheap? just so I know if I'm getting ripped off
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>>4378723
Lenses are sort of a mixed bag in terms of pricing. Don't go too crazy yet. You don't need any APO, wide, XL type lenses to start off with.

Super angulons are a great inexpensive starting lens. The inexpensive schneiders/rodenstocks are usually like 120-300+ depending on quality/ focal length and the shutter they come with.

You can do tray dev or get the mod54 thing for a paterson tank. It does 6 sheets using 1L or 1.5L of developer I forget.

Yeah, it would be safe to assume all monorail cameras have back movement.

If they're local you should mess around with a couple in person to see how they feel. The plaubel seems like a fine camera. You'll need film holders if it doesn't come with them also.

This Pic was taken with the old version 65mm super angulon. The old ones have a silver casing and the newer ones are all black. Nice look to them.

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>>4378732
Yep, there's a traditional gallery downtown which is mostly just camera-related stores
When I get closer to buying one I'll certainly ask the shops to mess with them before I make a decision
Thanks for all the info, I'll do my proper research as well but this is a very good starting point and helped me greatly
I'm thinking of maaybe buying one in the next 3 to 6 months or so, so there's a lot of time to see which camera would suit me better
Thanks again, man
in 2025 /fgt/ will very probably have another LF shooter>>4378732
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>>4378733
>in 2025 /fgt/ will very probably have another LF shooter
I just hope that he doesn't take the same endless test shoots of dead shit
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are questions about polaroid cameras welcome here or would it belong in a different thread? Basically I am trying to calculate the angle of view for my instax 300 wide and it seems all the formulas and explanations I find online are specifically for DSLR cameras. Or am I a dumbass and just overthinking choice of words intended strictly for SEO?
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>>4378733
You'll know more about what you want in a view camera after you use your first view camera for a while.

Happy to help! Looking forward to seeing your pics if I am still around. Lol.

This is was taken with a 12mm equivalent lens.

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>>4378735
Ask chatgpt.
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>>4375943
LAPONIA
DOMVS MEA. . .
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>>4378736
great photo. Would like to have this print in my leaving room.
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>>4378745
Ty! The best compliment for a photograph.
Hilariously, it was actually a test shot for the extremely wide lens I had just gotten. I should have my 4x5 capable darkroom built in a few months so a print may be available if I exposed the film good enough for printing.

47mm is absurdly wide for 4x5... Enjoy a much shittier test shot that shows off the wideness, and what a lens that doesn't cover 4x5 looks like better. Wide LF lenses look really good because of the very low distortion. It just packs a ton of picture into a frame...

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>>4378735
it's just middle school trigonometry
soh cah toa motherfucker
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>>4378706
>didn't know it was possible to have tilt shift behave this way
it is, after all, the primary reason to have tilt/swing on a camera at all
don't tell me you thought an entire category of cameras (and lenses for SLR) was designed just for taking gimmick photos that make scenes look miniature
>>4378710
>>4378723
>Rear standard movement will usually produce Perspective shift. Front standard manipulates focal plane.
that's an interesting way to think about it, any particular advantage to that theory?
technically shift produces shift, tilt/swing changes focal plane, regardless of which standard you change
using the approach you mention may lead to less fucking about idk, but also not all cameras with movements have all or even any movements on the rear
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>>4378838
Yeah, both can alter the focal plane, but the rear standard changes perspective more than the front. It's a little more complicated than that, but it's basically how it works. It hurts my brain a little to think why there's a difference, but there is.

Generally the idea for focal plane manipulation is

1. Widest aperture, focus on closest thing you want in focus
2. Tilt or swing lens until farthest thing you want to be in focus is in focus
3. Refocus on nearest thing if needed, recompose, add more movement if needed
4. Stop down and fiddle around with it a bit more
5. wa la. You may have everything you want in focus!
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>>4378857
that's sweet
reminds me of commie blocks (home)
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>>4378733
i have a toyo omega 45e and a graflex crown graphic. the toyo is a monorail view camera while the graflex is an old press news camera. both are good for their respective roles - monorail for movements but steady subjects while graflex for no movements but fast pace subjects. (like street photography)

i want to get a view camera soon, as its lighter than a monorail and i can hike more comfortable.

like >>4378732 said i would also get stearmans press sp45 tank. it develops 4 sheets in 500mL of film. great for saving money on dev and also home developemnt is easy. never had great times with the mod54 thing.
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>>4378913
i tend to move it around 10 times before i think its satisfactory. or i just say fuck it and do it at f64 and worry about diffraction later
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>>4379036
Yes. A lot of fiddling is almost always required. Part of the fun.

I've been waiting to photograph well defined clouds for months and finally they were in the sky today. 2 simple, but hopefully nice shots of some sheep,goats,cows,and trees.

Using all the movements I could I was able to get something like 15 feet to infinity in focus at f32 with a 300mm lens. I was too lazy to attach my geared tripod head. Would have made things a lot easier.

Even when focusing at infinity/long distances there is a very fine level of focus to dial it in correctly. I hate that I learned the clear glass trick because I have to carry 2 8x10 backs with me or my autism will not be satisfied.

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>>4378736
>>4378745
>great photo. Would like to have this print in my leaving room.
>leaving room
>>4378747
>the best compliment
I think he may be mocking you, but even if he's not I consider compliments from ESL posters to be subtle burns anyway.
That lense seems to be fringing like a mofo even in b&w, it must be a horror show in colour.
Surely the Mamiya RB 50mm has just as much coverage and an aperture you can actually focus with for a fraction of the price?
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>>4379123
>Leaving room
>I've built a 50sqft cube shaped room with a framed 16x20 print saying "Fuck Off and Leave" on all four walls
>This room is conveniently located on the second story of my house and can only be unlocked from the outside
>Has a chute on one side that lets you escape but you land in my garbage
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Goddam. Have to vent somewhere. This fuckin thing doesn't seem to work. Gonna blame the battery pack. Opened it up and resoldered a loose cable but I imagine that it's not worth my time trying to investigate.

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>>4375751
Is it okay to ask for anons to share film emulation Lightroom presets? I’m a film shooter starting to play with my vintage lenses on a mirrorless camera but still want the film vibe.
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>>4379164
You should be boiled alive in a slurry of bitumen and cat piss.
>gb2reddit
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>>4379179
pls no bully anon
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>>4376494
Very nice lighting, tonality and detail, technically it's very good. Maybe, just maybe dial exposure down by like 1/10th EV to tame whatever that fruit next to the lefttmost block is. Its most exposed area also seems very slightly out of focus, but you probably can't step the aperture down by much more at the same time.
Personally I would give it just a touch of usm/sharpen/presence to make it more crisp, but that's just me.
Composition-wise something feels off desu, it looks more like a "behind the scenes" shot, where the actual photo should be from a slightly different angle. Something something balance, something something negative space.
I think if you panned slightly to the left and down, and either pulled away or got even closer, it would be improved. There's this big black hole in top right corner, almost a quarter of the frame, and nothing to anchor the composition on the left. The vines/tendrils exciting the frame on the left also add even more to the feeling that we're not seeing everything that we were supposed to see.
Just my 2c, it's still more thought-through and better executed shot than 90% of what you see in this thread. Keep it up!
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How accurate are light meter apps? I assume it depends more on the phone and not so much on the app itself?
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>>4379184
Thanks for the write up! It is super helpful, especially with a new genre.
I was out of DoF, so couldn't really bring it much closer. Next shot I'll see how it feels from a bit further away.

Balancing everything nicely is quite tricky with so many elements. All the freedom you have when designing/arranging every aspect of a shot makes it really hard to get everything just right, but that's where the fun is!

>>4379192
Pretty good, and excellent for when it is really dark.

>>4379123
>lense
Why do ESL posters get so very angry at other ESL posters?

The non-XL 47mm doesn't have enough coverage for a full 4x5 frame. You would crop it to some weird kinda bigger than MF format. Lenses don't perform great at the edges of their projection.

RB 50mm in 67 is half the equivalent focal length with full 4x5 coverage, so no. 47mm is wider than your mother's fat ass on 4x5.

Also cope, but leaving room is funny. Imagine MY beautiful and incredible test shot is the last thing your guests see as they leave your home.
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>>4379192
I use a lightmeter app on a busted phone from 2018 with a cracked lens and it's pretty accurate compared to my digital cameras.
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>>4379224
You're welcome!
>All the freedom you have when designing/arranging every aspect of a shot makes it really hard to get everything just right, but that's where the fun is!
It sure is; how many times have I meticulously composed a frame in the viewfinder and thought it was as good as it gets, only to see how much it could have been improved by some very simple change after developing and scanning/printing.
But this is how we become better, and the greats don't show their bad photos either.
Also
>The vines/tendrils exciting the frame on the left
Should read "exiting" obviously, phoneposting at 5 am is bad for you. Just meant that the vines shouldn't be cut off by the edge of the frame, unless the same happens on the other side.
Since the arrangement already has this right-to-left dynamic, you could play it up even more by moving it closer to the right edge and making it even more stretched horizontally. This would give it a kind of wind-blown tree look if that makes sense, and help better utilize that empty space on top as a bonus.
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>>4379048
in between the fences too thats wild.

what camera is that? looks way nicer than mine. i have a toyo omega 45e. only thing i dont like about it is that i have to manually move everything rather than geared, but i'll live.

man those clouds look so fluffy and light, i had that yesterday but i was sick and stayed home. today im less sick but its just completely blue skies today. i still need to work on my movements and whatever image circle i have on my lens. i have Caltar II-E 150mm f/6.3 and a Fujinon WS 150mm f/6.3. i realised i can switch the two as they are the same threading on the shutter but is that good to do or should i switch the entire shutter system with the lens? i have both as i have a crown graphic as well.

either way i want to go out. its just monorails are so heavy idk how ppl hike with these big guys.
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>>4379323
That is the 8x10 variant Sinar P. Beefier build and more movement than a standard P. You can remove the 8x10 frame and put a 4x5 frame on it if you wanted. Very very nice studio camera, and not too expensive if you look on ebay for long enough.

The sinar F2 is not too heavy, but it is quite bulky. I bet you could make a landscape/hiking kit that weighs less than a linhof super technika field camera.

You can change the lenses out if you want, but you have to make sure that you check for and use any shims that may be between lens and shutter. I'm pretty sure the distances are all standardized between shutters except in some special cases. You'll be able to tell if it didn't work pretty easily when you try focusing.
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>>4379341
damn youre right, couldnt focus for shit. oh well :( didnt realise seiko 0 and copal 0 are different. the caltar has a 180mm image circle so hopefully thats good for some movements. dont have a spanner wrench so i cant comfortably exchange it out.

> You can remove the 8x10 frame and put a 4x5 frame on it if you wanted

one of my professors do this, since "8x10 film sucks ass but the lens quality is better"

i was looking at a super technika as i love a handheld fast pace 4x5 camera for sports or whatever, but ig my 35mm would do for that haha.

honestly, the camera is about 10 lbs and its not too bad, but im honestly worried about the monorail. at infinity, the entire camera is at 10 inches but my monorail is ~19. is it worth it to try and find a smaller monorail (while ofc keeping the longer one for macro work) for out of the field?

also sorry for all these questions i just never have anyone to talk about LF here ;_;
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>>4378614
For a lot of reasons. I gotta give them credit for saving SOME equipment, but even here. they are running it into the ground, use the cheapest stinky, fragile plastic, don't know shit about actual film manufacturing and standards. One of their "managers" was calling labs in Kyiv asking "how to make DX code" while drunk
You can't even imagine how much I wish I could get the ex chief technologist(I really gotta shorten this kekw) by Harman, InnovisCoat or Ferrania, because it would help all parties involved and Ukrainian color film would be available once again, but I don't even know where to begin
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>>4379350
damn sounds rough, I really wanted to give them the chance but sounds that they are doing worse than Tasma
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>>4376494
>>4376494
I actually quite like the inclusion of the wood blocks both conceptually and also they give good texture and light/shadow balance.
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>>4379156
Actually I opened it up and the whole thing is cooked, also so is the other part. The mechanical oil has seeped through and caused corrosion on the circuit board.
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>>4379347
How dare he utter such blasphemy. Its understandable on many levels, actually...

Fast paced 4x5 is VERY difficult even with a super technika. It takes a lot of practice to use anything longer than 150mm with it. You're always switching between the view finder and rangefinder. Tricky.

The sinar F2 is built well enough to stow, you can dissamble it fully and you can get various sized extension tubes to add length. They have a variety of them, so you could bring 3 6 inch rails instead of one 16 inch if it packs better. Maybe see if anyone has one locally to take a look at. They're really excellent monorail cameras.

I'm always happy to talk view cameras!
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>>4379374

another thing, do you use any filters?

i have 49mm filters for my olympus om 1 (red 25, blue 80, polarizer, and a "spot" filter that darkens the corners while having a hole in the middle. makes cool shots). i already have a uv filter on my 40.5mm lens on the toyo and the graflex but should i use a step up ring and use the threaded ones or should i use those big square ones?

and with the filters, are those plastic cases "good enough" for not breaking them or should i invest in a little pouch to put them all in? i feel like im always fumbling around with them.
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>>4379432
Yes, but they're a sinar accessory I scored with a random sinar P I got at an extremely good price. Came with a Polarizer and like 5 different colored filters. All interchangeable on this filter holder. Your monorail system will probably have something similar you can get.

Yeah the plastic cases should be good enough.

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>>4379359
Well tasma is actually coating shit, mostly for russian military.
Astrum is.. horribly mismanaged
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Near dead mall in my hometown. Had such great memories of this place, it used to house a bunch of specialty stores like vidya gaym shops, think there was an arcade too. Now there's a gym and mostly nothing. It's eerily silent, you can hear some music echoing from a cafe down the hallway somewhere. And this week's news had the owner of that coffee shop saying they're also shutting down.

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The first airsoft store in the country used to be up here. Tried to buy a gun from them with my very first summer job money, and they scammed me along with a bunch of other chumps and the owner fled the country.

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Among the few sounds in this place is this escalator randomly starting on its own by what I presume are the spirits of long gone customers tripping the motion sensors.

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The most active part is this place with some shitty dive bar and a Chinese restaurant that I've never been to. Upstairs was a pizza buffet, going there was a great treat as a kid, and then I'd cheerily go down and around the block to a laser tag alley (which is also long gone).

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Random statue to end this old man's tirade. Thanks for watching, lige and subsgribe.

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>>4379755
What utter rotters.
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>>4379800
>nophoto
Opinion discarded.
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>>4379754
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>>4379758
What film did you use? The colors and grain remind me of NC400, but I'm not sure.
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>>4379813
Ultramax rated at 1000, not compensated in dev. Pic sort of related, love me them Ultramax colors.

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>>4379800
I was talking about your employers who ripped you off anon
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>>4379438
hello im back again :D

im reading 'The View Camera' (new edition) by Harvey Shaman that my professor gave me, and all the examples on depth of field and sharpness uses f/22. my professor on the other hand told me to always use f/8 for sharp pictures in any format. im not too sure if hes right or wrong or if the book just gave a random f stop to use, but should i still use f/8 or f/22 for maximum sharpness? (assuming my focus isnt shitty)

not a question but my girlfriend said she'll gift me a spot meter (we were looking at a pentax spotmeter v at the shop a few weeks ago) if i dont buy one myself since i've been talking to her about getting one. always wanted one, as i only have a gossen luna f pro that ive been using for years and hasnt messed with me (as long as i pointed it correctly lol). has a zone system that i never use but still fun to have and i can auto correct filter factors with ease. lovely teach, a little fat but i dont mind. the spot meter would be even fatter then.

what meter do you have? or do you just wing it with the sunny 16 rule. one time i forgot my spot meter and i was an hour away from home so i just did sunny16 and it came out "ok". i know thats not the best for large format but hey it was a fun experience. printable at least
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>>4379834
I'll have to try that some time. I've only gone to 800 on pushed Ultramax.
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>>4379864
Depending on enlargement and film size diffraction isn't as much of an issue with large format. Generally speaking f/22 is around where aberration and diffraction are at the optimal compromise. If you mess around with a DoF calculator you'll see that f8 is not going to give you much DoF with anything over 120mm. 4x5, 150mm, f8 with focus set 5 feet away is about 7 inches DoF, compared to 18ish at f22.

Pic was shot at f96 with my 1000mm lens. It's cropped, so put the height around 8 inches to sort of get a feel for how a contact print would look IQ-wise. In person the print looks really nice even if it is somewhat soft.

It is more important to have an even level of sharpness edge to edge. If the image has a super sharp center but soft edges it can be distracting and ugly, and look much worse than an evenly soft image.

>light meter
I picked up a sekonic l708 years ago and have been using it for almost everything. Fantastic meter for outdoors and studio because it can trigger flashes. They're a little pricey now, unfortunately.
I also have an incident meter that doesn't need batteries as a backup as well.

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>>4379834
>1000 rated ultramax
Where would I find such a thing. I like shooting low light/night with no tripod but the highest ISO color film I can find at my local shops is porta or cinestill 800
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>>4380052
Push processing exists
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>>4380058
I am aware, but anon (I assume its the same guy) has said in two posts that he has some 1000 rated ultramax that was normally developed and I'm curious about that.
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>>4380065
so that suggests he rated it at 1000 and developed normally at 400
so it's just underexposed 1+1/3 stops
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>>4380070
ah i don't know if i'm just stupid or what but I definitely misunderstood that. they don't appear underexposed so I thought I must be missing something
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speaking of pushing/underexposing color - I'm thinking of rating a roll of Portra 800 at 1600 for Halloween tonight but then I'm planning a day trip to the mountains this weekend that could provide gloomy/not so sunny weather. do you recommend pushing during dev or dev as normal or rate at box speed over all? (I've never pushed color before)
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>>4380074
after more thought, my N80 has a built in flash so I don't need to push the Portra for more speed. I guess I'll push for more contrast in the photos though, which should work for the mountain photos I'm more interested in
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