>>4378776
8x10 is the photographers full frame, so I will kindly suggest the sinar p2.

A dslr, preferably pentax

For what purpose exactly?
Sports? Flagship with a 100-300
Rocks and leaves extravaganza? Leica M9 with a 50

>>4378776
>Money no object
Canon R5ii or R5
>On a budget
Canon R6ii or R6
>Tighter budget
Canon R8 or RP; look for a used or refurbished R6, sometimes just as cheap.
>Primarily really low light, like natural moonlight
Canon R6 and a fast prime.
>Max reach on a budget for birds
Canon R7
>Really tight budget
Canon EF. 5Ds/5DsR for landscape res, 5D4 for extreme low light. Lenses will work perfectly on future RF.
>Dirt poor
Canon 80D or 7D or 7Dii

If you can grab Canon refurbished, do it even if rich. Canon refurbished is good as new with same warranty. I always check their refurbished store first for bodies or lenses.
>but RF lenses are a bit pricey
Buy EF they work perfectly on RF.
>Which lens is sharpest?
The Digital Picture lens tests tell you everything you need to know.
>Super rich and want even more res
Fuji 100mp MF, but be aware you have to be printing 60” or more to see any advantage over R5 or 5Ds.

Finally: if you want a 35mm f/1.4 go straight to the Tamron EF 35mm f/1.4 SP. It beats everything else and even new Tamron charged too little. I swear they mispriced it leading everyone to automatically think it’s worse than the L or Art when it’s better.

Want an 85mm f/1.4? Canon EF 85mm f/1.4L IS. Again the best option with best bokeh.

>but sony nikon fuji
Canon has the best IQ + features overall.

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>>4378883
Cleanest breakdown of current Canon choices.

Also suggesting RF 24/35mm f/1.8 specifically for wide and fast, and EF 100mm f/2 USM for short telephoto.
RF 100mm f/2.8 Macro is very nice but only specifically good for macro, since the EF f/2 is lighter, shorter, brighter, and cheaper. Only thing you lack is IS.
Primes are your friend. Zooms are for travel snapshits, and professional paid work.
EF lenses are dirt cheap if you're fine giving up the higher rated IS of RF.

Personally will be buying an R6 (or mkII) once I find a good enough deal, OR if the MkIII comes out soon (which it might) just shell out for that.

>>4378776
Canon for sports, wildlife, and professional event photography.
Sony for travel, landscapes, portraits, art, and fast paced photojournalism.

>>4378883
Canons feature set is heavily biased towards high framerates and their lens quality increases as reach and aperture wideness goes up. They even cuck their sensors out of a full stop of dynamic range through at least some of the ISO range to get them to shoot faster.

You won't get shit like high quality slow aperture lenses out of canon, that's a sony-only thing. Sony is literally the only company that's making any effort to keep their shit as small as they technically can.

Even sony's best AF can't shoot a football game as well as a cheap canon R8, but you're not getting something as GOAT for travel as an a7c and f2.5/f2.8 G prime out of canon, ever, and sony makes many comparable, as-good and better lenses compared to canon that are much smaller and lighter. It adds up if you are a traveling man working solo.

Canon is for when you are an agency man working with someone else.

>>4378928
>inb4 canon fanboys cope with an endless stream of "you dont need that" "uh lift moar, im so manly and i've never flown in my life" "but the video" and segue into lying about sony
Yeah I know, you're paid shills who occasionally beg us to buy canon's latest, 0-day drop deals on their refurb page.

>>4378883
>Canon has the best IQ + features overall.
the r5ii is a $4500 full frame camera with the exact same amount of real dynamic range as a fuji x-t5 and QC and firmware issues that are making sony look good.

canon is hiding their perpetual DR issues under forced NR and fanboys are blaming the loss of detail on the AA filters. shadow recovery reveals the lie.

>buying any canon below the r6ii

Hope you enjoy getting repeatedly battered with the canon cripplehammer

>>4378952
Bbut sonikon cripples shit no one cares about like 4k60 and deep space astrophotography so THERE

>>4378776
Canon if you’re a professional snapshitter, sony+medium format if you’re a professional photographer.

Whatever you think looks coolest if you do it for free.

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>>4378930
>R5 MkII is gay
Yes we know, buy an R6 and save yourself $2000
>canon is hiding their perpetual DR issues under forced NR
Yes. Still don't care enough to argue one way or the other over it. Yes it's bullshit, but I also don't really give a fuck.
>>4378952
>repeatedly battered with the canon cripplehammer
It's absolutely fuckwit manufacturer mentality, which is why you either buy the R50 for an M43 replacement, or the R6 MkII
>>4378979
>Whatever you think looks coolest if you do it for free
The secret sauce

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>>4378883
thoughts on used 6d/6dii ?

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>>4378930
>the r5ii is a $4500 full frame camera with the exact same amount of real dynamic range as a fuji x-t5
Why are you lying?

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I bet this is the Sony shill who cries every time someone posts a picture of a broken Sony.

>>4378928
>Sony color science
>"Sony for travel, landscapes, portraits, art, and fast paced photojournalism."
No

>>>4378883
>hurr fast fps is a bad thing
Only on the A9iii where you permanently sacrifice lower ISOs and FF DR in order to shoot fast.

>hurr pro lens quality better
Obviously, in every brand.

>hurr cuck sensor to shoot fast
On Canon mech shutter is 14-bit, e-shutter is (generally) 12-bit, so you can choose to shoot fast and get good DR or shoot a little slower and get great DR. Funny enough, Canon's mech shutter fps is often faster than Sony's e-shutter fps. So from the Sony perspective, Canon lets you shoot fast AND get full DR instead of being cucked by Sony.

>"You won't get shit like high quality slow aperture lenses out of canon"
>ignores all of canon's high quality slow aperture lenses
inb4 you cling to some arbitrary definition of "quality" to try and exclude Canon consumer glass while allowing some 3rd party Sony shit. Also: at least Canon can make a pancake.

>no pancakes
>"Sony is literally the only company that's making any effort to keep their shit as small as they technically can."
kek

>but you're not getting something as GOAT for travel as an a7c and f2.5/f2.8 G prime out of canon, ever,
picrel

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>>4379108
>thoughts on used 6d/6dii ?
If you know what you're getting into and the price is good they're fine. Main problem is base ISO DR, you don't have that much room to push shadows in post. The other problem for the 6D at least is only the center AF point is really any good. 6Dii AF is fine, it's the same AF module as the 80D if I remember correctly.

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Reminder that full frame has barely changed since the Nikon D800 in 2012. That sensor has around the same shadow recovery as the latest and greatest from Sony/Nikon and in terms of high ISO it’s not really changed since the Canon 5D 4. If you want a real “upgrade” you go medium format. Facts.

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>>4379189
>Sure I'll spend $10k to take mediocre snapshits of my cat in 100MP

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>>4379159
I am not one to shill sony but this is a retarded comparison. The half shuttered A7C has 6.5 more stops of DR than the ccrippled half shuttered R8 with its APSC point n shitter "battery" that dies before you can take a photo.
IBIS: +5 stops
Not a crippled sensor: +1 stop
Lens vignettes less than full faggot "pancake": +0.5 stops

The G9II has 10 more stops.
IBIS: +8
Sensor size: -1
Better sensor: +2
Lenses vignette less: +1

Protip: If you want small cameras, full frame is not it lmfao! You look like a fucking cuck with your "pancake" that vignettes 3 stops and focuses like a DSLR lens from 1988.

>but canon has 14 bit raws in mech shutter for extra DR
The G9II has 16 bit raws, and look, same as the R5II.

>>4379149
I've come around on bill claff charts. ISO mis-definition aside. They are ALWAYS wrong about "dynamic range" BECAUSE PHOTON SHOT NOISE DOES NOT HAVE FUCKING DICK TO DO WITH DYNAMIC RANGE. The noise reduction doesnt add DR, its just about canon lying to you and reviewers so people won't point out that they are selling a $4500 APS-C camera. it has no reason to be full frame. NONE. If it were an APS-C camera it could have the same readout and the same DR, if not more (if panasonic made it). Canon is ASHAMED of their camera. PANASONIC IS PROUD! Hang your head in shame and COPE, canon cuck! It's not getting signal, only noise!

Only shadow recovery at full saturation measures dynamic range in raws. Dynamic range is about SENSOR TECH not SENSOR SIZE which is why there are APS-C cinema cameras with multiple stop advantages over fool frame and DX medium format. And ALLL canon mirrorless cameras stop recovering shadow detail and start recovering noise after +4. The Z7II, which has an actual full frame sensor, stops recovering detail and starts recovering noise after +5. There is no differeince in the r5ii's image besides more color fog between +4 and +5. NR hides missing DR.

>>4379189
No. Dual gain sensors, better mounts (Z), 45mp, and no mirror slap.

>>4379159
now show them from the front and add a lens with 5 stops of optical stabilization and an external power bank to the r8 (glorified full frame sized aps-c video camera designed to go on gimbals)

Canon is only for uncreative boomer gearfags who work for sports, inc and bokeh whore videographers. Panasonic is king, baby.

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>>4379241
That’s pretty much my point right now there is no reason to upgrade if you’re using a Nikon D750/D800 or Canon 6D/5Diii onwards. You’re not going to see this magical jump in IQ between a D800 and a Nikon Z8 in a blind test. Maybe some DR jumps in Canon but other than that it’s really small. If you’re being paid then the modern auto focus is nice but if it’s a hobby who the fuck cares. Also a used GFX100 is cheaper than any of the current flagships.

>>4379242
The end result still is so close it’s hard to care if you take a landscape shot on a D800 and a Z8 most people won’t be able to tell what image came from what camera even at a pretty large print size.

On a side note I keep seeing people shilling for brands colour science mostly for Canon and Nikon but the reality is Sony, Fuji, and Panasonic flagship is objectively better. Somehow Canons current high end does not come close to the Canon 5D classic and 6D from fucking 2005 lol. “Xtranny” guy keeps spamming how bad Fuji is and how great Canon is lol.

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>>4379248
Look at how fucking stupid you are, comparing "color science" when it's a marketing websites bespoke adobe camera raw preset - and a photo of a photo of a nigger. Color changes dramatically between raw processors.

Measure something that doesn't change 10000% if the white balance slider is tweaked slightly, like sensor metameric error, or GTFO.

>The end result still is so close it’s hard to care if you take a landscape shot on a D800 and a Z8 most people won’t be able to tell what image came from what camera even at a pretty large print size.
Actually no. The D800 will be noticeably blurry and noisy. a G9II would take a sharper photo with less noise by shooting at base ISO with 8 stop IBIS, no mirror slap, and more accurate autofocus. Full frame DSLRs are inferior to micro four thirds in every way. They have softer photos, less dynamic range, and less accurate autofocus. The G9II is superior.

You wouldn't be able to tell a photo taken on a G9II apart from a photo taken on a Z8 - that much is true.

>>4379248
>The end result still is so close it’s hard to care
Basically:
>My screwdriver is 0.25um more precise, and has a knurled section for precise adjustments down to half a degree of rotation
vs
>Yeah well MY screwdriver has an ergonomic grip and is made of lightweight ABS

That's great faggots, is the wardrobe put together yet? I really don't give a fuck about your selection of tools.

>>4379255
But it's not close. The fool frame DSLR will be visibly worse in color and detail than a Lumix G9II at every size. There's a reason DSLR sales tanked and they turned into hipster fare along with fixed gear bicycles around the same time m43 started getting good. They fucking suck.

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>>4379252
>a G9II would take a sharper photo with less noise by shooting at base ISO with 8 stop IBIS
Wow imagine any scenario where you're NOT taking snapshits of a rock! Look at that, your "8 stops of IBIS DR advantage" just vanished into faggoty air.
Also:
>Pic rel you're objectively wrong.

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>>4379259
I left the key out of the chart, fuck I'm retarded.

>>4379261
>>4379259
>retard continues using a photon shot noise chart after it was proven that photon shot noise has jack shit to do with dynamic range
Canons have the same dynamic range as micro four thirds and aps-c.

I'm sorry, but if you want a good camera only Nikon and Panasonic make those. I guess sony made one OKAY camera, the a7c. It has a normal sensor, not a noisy af one like the 33mp or 61mp models, but it only has half a shutter, and little known fact: sony cripples IBIS with third party and adapted lenses. You only get all 5 stops with a sony lens. You don't even get gyro data unless you use a sony lens. Lmao.

>>4379259
If you're using a DSLR you can only use crappy autofocus in crappy live view without an articulating screen or every photo comes out softer from mirror vibrations and focus shift

>>4379262
What's it like being so wrong you're stuck in a loop of somehow believing a smaller sensor wins this war?

>>4379266
What don't you understand about DYNAMIC RANGE IS ABOUT SENSOR TECH, NOT FUCKING SENSOR SIZE, full faggot?
Canon's sensor tech and DR is inferior, so it has the same DR as micro four thirds. Sensor size is only photon shot noise. In theory it's a cap on how much DR can be achieved but the G9II has 2 stops of DR over most other micro four thirds cameras because it has a base ISO of 100 and simultaneous dual gain reaodut.
Please remember, many professional cinema cameras have 18 stops of DR with APS-C sensors, while full faggots are lucky to get 14.5 stops with the most permissive cutoffs.

Sharpness doesn't have jack shit do with sensor size either. If your lens can't keep up with a finer pixel pitch, that's your poorfag lenses problem.

Also please remember:
The only companies with new full frame cameras that have normal full frame DR are Panasonic and Nikon.

Nikon's new camera with normal full frame DR: The ZF
Panasonic cameras with normal full frame DR: S1R, S5II, S5IIX

Sony has less DR than it used to - the A7IV and A7RV have noisier sensors than the A7III and A7RIII.
Canon has barely any DR as they always have.

Photons to photos charts measure photon shot noise, not dynamic range. Photon shot noise is irrelevant. It's a software processing issue and most full faggots shoot at equivalent ISOs most of the time anyways.

>>4379268
>Paragraph of distilled seethe
I mean you're a raging fag, but that was obvious bait

https://ymcinema.com/2023/01/25/canon-has-developed-a-1-inch-4k-sensor-with-24-stops-of-dynamic-range/
Cucknon came out with a small sensor with over 20 stops, and then decided to make their cameras with larger sensors that only have 12-13 stops

https://ymcinema.com/2024/10/14/sony-introduces-small-4k-sensor-that-is-capable-of-shooting-raw-and-21-6-stop-of-dr/
Sony came out with a 1/1.7" sensor with 21.6 stops of dynamic range and then decided that the A7IV-A7RV and A1-A1II would only have 13.5 and the A9III would have 12-13.

Only phones get the good stuff!

Only Nikon and Panasonic (and leica aka panasonic) let you have the whole 14.something stops of DR from dated sensor technology lmao. Once panasonic puts the G9II's DR boost on a full frame camera canon and snoy will look like a fucking joke. You havent seen shit yet. Panasonic is developing new sensor tech that has global shutter, on-sensor NDs and 120db dynamic range, about 19-20 stops. On APS-C. Cannot POS R and SNOY's days are numbered. Lmao full frame with 12 stops of DR... lmao.

>>4379262
>>4379268
What I don't understand is why you're completely dismissing Sony, as if the newest models are all that exist and you're forced to buy those. If the A7 III and A7R III perform better then compares those to the best that the other brands have to offer.

>>4379252
Calls me retard and then takes issue with the fact I use a black guy to show how yellow Canon Nikon is and calls him a nigger.

Ok retard.

>>4379280
Maybe because sony never disclosed which a7iii serial number range received the defective shutters nidec copal shipped them, both have fuji tier WR consistency so some survive and some cant even take a light water spray, and both have worse colors and poorly designed IBIS sleds with spontaneously cracking plastic mounts that decenter the sensor.

WR, colors, and IBIS were all redesigned for the later cameras. But the a7iv also has the same shutter PN as the a7iii and sony refuses to disclose if a small amount of a7iv failures were from them using up the bad batch of shutters…
>snoy
Yeah only the a7c and like 3 lenses are any good lolololo

>>4379284
they never disclosed because they evenly mixed the bad lot through production of 2 different models
SNOY

Nikon
F mount
D780
Need I say more?

>>4379262
>Canons have the same dynamic range as micro four thirds and aps-c
Why are people responding to this bait?

>>4379349
He's right, but "photon shot noise isnt DR!!!" kind of ignores the fact that it looks like fucking garbage and the only thing these high speed FFs suck at is recovering ultra deep shadows. When was the last time you cared more about how a +5 stop exposure push looked more than you cared about the amount of noise overlaying and fucking up the colors and details of a properly exposed image or one that's maybe -1 or -2 stops underexposed to protect highlights?

When was the last time you underexposed anything 5 stops just to salvage it in post? When?

If you take a well exposed photo on a g9ii it is 4x noisier than one of these "bad" canons and the color science and detail quality clearly suffer for it. It looks bad. Even the 4k video is so bad it looks almost like 1080p.

>>4379365
>When?
I did last week

>>4379369
Then don't buy a sports specific flagship camera that costs $4500 and is very clearly trying to make itself as professional specific with its body and lens design. Canons are big, ugly, and expensive because they're like rolex. They don't want the wrong people sullying the good stuff. You can buy the chinese plastic.


And dont buy a g9ii either. $2k baby sensor lol.

>>4379372
That's a very specific post, i wasn't planning to

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Don‘t listen to the nophotos. I started out with a cheap 1200D and a soviet lens. Start cheap and simple and upgrade as you see necessary for YOUR photography.
>inb4 poorfag

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>>4382753
poorfag and commie

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>>4382760
>nophoto
Hahahaha

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>>4379242
>but muh ibis = 6.5 stops DR!
Oh for fuck's sake, you must be a m43 shooter. If you want IBIS get an R6/R6ii.

>>4379242
>I've come around on bill claff charts. ISO mis-definition aside. They are ALWAYS wrong about "dynamic range" BECAUSE PHOTON SHOT NOISE DOES NOT HAVE FUCKING DICK TO DO WITH DYNAMIC RANGE.
Oh holy shit, opinion discarded straight to the trash. Noise is the boundary on DR, full stop. Shot noise is the same in a format for equal exposure, it's the nature of light. That leaves e-noise separating the various camera sensors, and generally only at low ISO because at high ISO shot noise swamps e-noise.

This is basic fucking science. It's not open to your unsubstantiated opinion. Bill Claff's problem is he sets too high of a threshold. DxO's threshold is closer to what you would get with a traditional step wedge test, though still not a perfect match.

>but muh NR!!!
No clue why Canon is applying a little NR on some sensors at some ISOs. It's not hurting detail which also means it's not significantly expanding DR because it's not strong enough to do so. It's usually only done first stage, which suggests they're cleaning up some minor e-noise artifact. As long as it doesn't affect detail nobody gives a flying fuck.

>The noise reduction doesnt add DR
I would agree with that, but what it means is that the DR ranking is correct. The NR is not nearly strong enough to change it.

>its just about canon lying to you and reviewers so people won't point out that they are selling a $4500 APS-C camera
Dumb ass, you can take an R5 and push it as hard as almost anything else. The R5ii traded some DR for readout speed, something that's happening across the board, even on Sony.

>which is why there are APS-C cinema cameras with multiple stop advantages over fool frame and DX medium format.
List them. Their sensor fab costs are likely off the charts putting them in 5 figure cost territory.

>>4382890
He’s right a bit.

The R5II’s DR ranking is incorrect. Shadow recovery is the same as a 1.5x cropped sensor. The NR is literally just canon faking their DXO and dpreview scores and keeping the problem out of sight to minimize the emotional impact of noticing your $4500 full frame camera has the same dynamic range as an a6500.

>>4382890
No actually you cant recover 1st gain stage shadows on the r6ii/r5i as much as you can on an a7iv or zf. The ZF actually has better base ISO DR than anything thats not a GFX100/cfv100c.

>>4379248
>That’s pretty much my point right now there is no reason to upgrade if you’re using a Nikon D750/D800 or Canon 6D/5Diii onwards.
The 6D and 5D3 have hideous shadow e-noise at low ISO. I'm torn because on one hand people grossly overstate the importance of DR. DR matters if you're shooting base ISO ETTR RAW and then pushing hard in post. 99% of images never receive that treatment. OTOH, if you do that sometimes (landscapes; underexposed wedding shots), you will see a big jump in IQ upgrading a 6D or 5D3. D8x0's set the bar for DR so in that case there's not much to gain in stills IQ, just in features and video.

>>>4379242
>On a side note I keep seeing people shilling for brands colour science mostly for Canon and Nikon but the reality is Sony, Fuji, and Panasonic flagship is objectively better.
LMFAO Canon and Fuji have the best color science in ooc RAWs. I have never had to fiddle or fight with a Canon or Fuji RAW. I have had to do so with Sony and Nikon. Not always, but sometimes they just fuck up and I'm not sure why, and a good friend who owns Nikon and Fuji will concur. No idea about Panasonic as I have no experience with their sensors.

Note that this is not something you can see in a single test. You have to process multiple RAWs because most of the time Sony/Nikon RAWs are OK. The problem is when they fuck up.

>>4379252
>mft will beat D800 when i'm photographing my cat with IBIS
Holy cope. D800 IQ is far better than any mft, and brace yourself for this, but Nikon made IS lenses. Only an idiot would go up against a D800 with mft.

>Full frame DSLRs are inferior to micro four thirds in every way. They have softer photos, less dynamic range, and less accurate autofocus. The G9II is superior.
LMFAO, mid tier FF lenses are sharper than top tier mft because lens MTF is tied to format size. Likewise with DR. Canon and Sony have the best AF right now, and Canon also has the best IBIS.

>>4382896
Unless you are talking about $5000 medium format
You are objectively wrong. Fuji literally has bad, measurably bad, colors because of xtrans. I have used it. It is garbage. Sony’s color science is 100x better. Canon’s is 100x better. Nikon and panasonic are 50x better. Fuji is absolute fucking beige teeth monocolor skin dogshit for color under $5k. All it does is sunsets and building corners with slightly less editing.

>>4379268
>What don't you understand about DYNAMIC RANGE IS ABOUT SENSOR TECH, NOT FUCKING SENSOR SIZE, full faggot?
Just ignore basic physics, right? Retard.

>>4382753
>Don‘t listen to the nophotos. I started out with a cheap 1200D and a soviet lens.
Fair point. If you know what you're doing you can get great shots with anything made in the past decade and a half. But people like to argue details, and some people actually need and exploit edges in performance whether DR, low light, or resolution. But none of this matters if you aren't shooting photos.

>>4382753
>buy something you plan on replacing
Consoomers actually fall for the upgrade ladder meme. Why? Because its actually how parents placate children while mitigating financial loss. Think of a teenager going through guitars
>Mom can I have the nice one?
>Not until you EARN IT, you need to practice every day and do your chores, and take care of the $100 one because you’ll probably break it. Prove to me I wont be wasting my money.
And realize adult autists keep repeating this pattern for no reason. You are an adult. You are wasting money by playing this game. You already know what you want. You already know how not to break your shit. It is your money. Buy what you will keep. The cost of milling through cheap childrens junk is greater than the cost of using amazon’s return policy as a rental service.

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>>4382891
>Shadow recovery is the same as a 1.5x cropped sensor.
Be quiet nophoto.

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>>4382898
>"your experience is objectively wrong"
>posts no objective tests
Are you also the nophoto film is infinite resolution fag? Asking for a friend.

>>4382901
>comp scaled
Wow I didnt know the backdrop was purple. When you get color shifts its because theres no signal left to amplify in one or more color channel… its out of DR.

>>4382902
Every fujislug copes about the tests when they’re posted. But fuji is just crap. If you shoot a gfx you get cooking free 16 bit raws. Fuji X shits out zombie colors with iphone tier detail because xtrans is objectively inferior for every application. It has no use, technical or creative, and can be replaced by cranking moire reduction globally.

>>4382903
>>comp scaled
Yes, that is how you compare DR and high ISO. The only reason you view 1:1 when judging res is because our monitors don't have the pixel density required for an accurate judgement. DR does depend on view size, but you can't print an A6700 RAW to the same max size as an R5 RAW, and it would have worse DR there too.

>but muh color balance!!!
Has nothing to do with it, you choose that in your RAW converter.

>When you get color shifts its because theres no signal left to amplify
That's not what's happening retard. You're just grasping at straws to defend your previously dumb false statement.

>Every fujislug copes about the tests when they’re posted.
What tests? There aren't any objective tests for color performance under the full range of lighting and conditions. Just about anything can shoot a MacBeth chart accurately under good lighting. That's not where Nikon and Sony fail. When they fail you're stuck editing a stubborn blue or green cast that just shouldn't be there. I've never tried profiling a Nikon or Sony to see if it's fixable. I don't need to profile a Canon or Fuji.

>But fuji is just crap.
They have their problems, but color is not one of them.

>>4382907
What you’re describing just doesnt happen. Green cast? Why are you using cheap optics? That is the lens. Like many micro four thirds lenses have a green cast and many older film lenses (orange base, green cast, i wonder). Your raw is fine. Your fe 85mm f1.8 made in china probably isn’t.

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>>4382910
>What you’re describing just doesnt happen. Green cast?

>>4378883
I'm going to get a rebel t7 for about 215usd (300cad)

>>4382913
bruh thats just white balance. do you own a camera?

>>4378776
>Which full frame?
Anything but Canon if you want to use third party lenses, Canon hates third party lens makers and as yet there are no third party lenses allowed on Canon FF.

>>4378776
>Which full frame? Which lense mound?
The mound you have with you.

>>4383411
>i-i-it's just white balance
>colours can be fixed in post
If the colours can be fixed then why does every Sony photo have dogshit colours? Why do they never fix them? The answer is they can't fix the colours, they just get used to how shitty they are and get butthurt when someone points it out. The butthurt at that point is genuine, because they're in so deep they actually believe their own garbage.
>why yes I could fix the colours, but I actually like snoy colours so I won't fix them, but I totally could fix them if I wanted to
Pathetic.

>>4385580
>If the colours can be fixed then why does every Sony photo have dogshit colours?
>every
No, you're just only taking notice of the ones with incorrect white balance. The ones that are properly processed you probably don't even realise they were taken on a Sony, unless you obsessively read the EXIF so you know what to shit on.

>>4385580
>then why does *thing i made up* happen huh?
Nah. Sony colors look good. a7c/a7iv colors look better than canon r5 and leica m11 colors imho.

>poorfag

5D Mk2

>cheap fuck

RP

6D Mk2

>budget

R8

>willing to spend an extra buck
6D Mk2.

Getting anything more expensive, unless you're a working pro, is just a pointless flex.

>>4378779
I'm using a rb67 do you think a P2 is a big upgrade? I love landscape mostly and the rb67 doesn't have a shift tilt lens so I feel a little limited sadly

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>>4385588
>Nah. Sony colors look good. a7c/a7iv colors look better than canon r5 and leica m11 colors imho.

>>4385682
Yeah sony colors look good. You repost the same material (no links, just screenshots) over and over again because that’s all there is, retards and paid shills on youtube. Like fat panasonic woman sneakily changing the awb setting to max green tint and clickbait titles that lead to a video thats actually about choosing the correct gamma in video instead of hating sony. The other one is a pajeeta discovering that capture one renders color better than adobe.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wGherHIAWFY
Woman discovers “adobes profiles suck”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMM3SSepn8
This isnt even a big deal, its just settings for hdr video


Thats your argument. Clickbait titles and adobe doing their a7iii profile worse than c1.
that doesnt change that every photo posted here from an a7iv or a7c has been kino. In fact it supports it. Your argument is a 5 year old video about a bad raw processor and the a7iii, and a tutorial for setting up hdr video.

No wonder you tried to argue with clickbait titles. Pathetic. Gonna repost the fat bitch who manually skewed awb towards green next or are you unaware that awb can be skewed to green because you don’t own a camera and aren’t familiar with the B-A G-M plots

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>>4385682
weak. slap on a laughing emoji and a gif of a black guy making funny faces and go OHNONONO SNOYSISTERS while you’re at it.

ps: panasonic makes horrible cameras. no one should buy those unreliable pos shitters. dont even give it a chance or you’ll end up like this. all the sony hate that resurged is because the s9 is an awful POS and they’re insecure about sony mogging it. yes, we have paid shills here. thats why everyone says to buy used, but panasonic people tell you to buy new on sale.

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>>4385700
>Yeah sony colors look good.

No, they don't.

>>4385770
Sony colors are great. Most people prefer them, followed by fuji.

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>>4385700
>writes an essay
>>4385770
>states a fact

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>>4385781
post the full res
I want to laugh at the herpes face premature-aged whores again

>>4385771
this checks out, most people unironically also have an IQ below 90

>>4385787
>most people unironically also have an IQ below 90
Actually, most people have an IQ around 100.

>>4385781
>dpreview test shotter fails at direct flash doing an hss day for night demo
>all other pics look fine
Review site test shots look like dogshit a lot of the time. They even made the hasselblad cfv100c and fuji x100vi look bad.

You repost bullshit because repetitively shouting until the opposition leaves is all you can do. And yet, no one will buy a panasonic.

>>4385788
this is a common misconception, for IQ usually White Americans are used as the reference population with a 100 IQ
But most people are not White Americans

>>4385790
one bad sony photo means far more to these spamming faggots turning the whole board into /brandwar/ than all the good ones

its literally their job to make sure /p/ is about hating sony and strongly recommending the newest deal straight from panasonic. why wouldnt they repost the same old bad news forever while going OH NO NO SISTERBROS ITS OVER

>>4385796
nah I'd say most people just do it because some sony users (i.e. you) here are extremely obnoxious and easy to trigger

>>4385799
I shoot nikon, I just defend sony because I dont want people to get shilled on panasonics junk and fr they take the same photos as my zf.

>>4385799
>Hmmm I should troll these losers into proving SNOY is good!
least competent shill award. smear campaigns don’t work. why do you think trump won?
>because smear doesnt work
>and he was photographed on a sony a9iii

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>>4385796
>it's just one photo

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>>4385802
I rest my case

Sony’s dominance is such cannots and niggors are still whining about the AWB on the a7iii under desk lamps and fluorescents lol (use manual wb for video anyways, stills are fine because c1 renders better than every camera body and raw is the standard). Meanwhile i have the “bad” 1st gen a7c and the colors are so good i stopped wasting time on film. Even my worst edits are loved by clients. Its the backup/personal camera to an r6ii, but i’ve been maining it enough to start looking at an a7iv. Who tf cares about fps lol. Its built like a fucking tank too and sony lenses have stellar professional performance, while canons are… eh. Nikon’s are the best period (same vignette and sharpness WO, better stopped down) but kind of sterile and zeissy with paper cutout people.

90% of photos and films you see from professional agencies are shot on sony now. Canon lost reuters to sony this year. Sony is like, so totally bad… if you can only afford a $800 used up body and tokina lenses. The mogging is getting too brutal especially for nikon. Canonikon better release some retro rangefinder style bodies and prosumer quality compact aperture ring equipped street primes soon before sony and fuji steal all their customers. Fuji in particular is a major autofocus upgrade away from putting nikon under the glass ceiling at #4 and sending panasonic, leica, and olympus to an early grave. 40mp xtrans is just the perfect sensor for jpeg shooting normies and I’m tired of pretending /p/ gearfags were ever right about fuji outside of their autofocus accuracy problems. They’re basically already threatening sony’s A7R line. The AF on the 100ii is good enough for most high megapixel applications.

>>4385803
>its another tutorial for setting up video on an older camera
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BrNfbF_QJM8
His SOOC doesnt look too green either, especially not for crappy vlogging lights.

>>4385853
>still whining about the AWB on the a7iii under desk lamps
I had noticed it's always about the A7III and never about any model since then.

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>>4385853
>essay
>>4385899
>samefag reply
I'm sure they fixed the color science just like the weather sealing. Oh wait...

Y'ALL incels can complain about Sony as much as you want, but every time I go out it's just Sony mirrorless everywhere. They even outnumber Canon Rebels nowadays.

>>4386032
Based observer

>>4385986
Why no link? He do a dumb?
https://us.community.sony.com/s/question/0D54O00007qwQliSAE/sony-a7iv-failed-due-to-water-condensation-on-a-normal-outdoor-shoot
>it was only freezing what happen?
This is identical to that boomer that broke his r5ii.

https://community.usa.canon.com/t5/EOS-DSLR-Mirrorless-Cameras/EOS-R5-II-Weather-Sealing-is-Garbage/m-p/502118
Someone also killed an olympus like this
https://www.flickr.com/groups/1941650@N22/discuss/72157629704930746/

But condensation kills like this are actually caused by the weather sealing working. The camera cant exchange air so rapid temperature shifts cause internal condensation. Believe it or not, camera bags have a use.

>>4386032
They are desperate to shill cuz panasonic is ded lol
All they’re doing is helping make a giant sony ad

>>4386032
I can’t remember the last time I saw a non-sony camera excluding DSLRs

>sony weather seal fail turns out to be a chinese lens in sheeting rain
>sony weather seal fail turns out to be caused by dropping the camera in 4 feet of seawater
>sony weather seal fail turns out to be condensation mismanagement in arctic conditions
These shills need a new job. You never should have stopped spamming the test where olympus bribed them to dunk the d850 and a7riii off screen.

>>4386049
At some point they will resort to whining about the 1st gen a7 when the a7iii material gets old

>>4386042
>snoysister admits sony can't handle freezing temperatures
Admitting there's a problem is the first step to recovery.
>failure means it's working!
This is also sony's guiding principle for color science.

>>4386042
>>4386046
>>4386049
>>4386050
>snoy poster turns out to be samefag

>>4386053
>>4386054
looool look at snoyhater try to spin words and act like he didnt btfo. sorry u lost across the whole board. this is a more brutal mogging than when 6x7 was definitively proven to be over 80mp.

>>4386107
>childish attempt to change the subject
Thank you for conceding.

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I took my brother's adderall because I was bored and I was wondering what playing doom eternal on speed felt like, but instead of playing it I ended up spending 4 hours researching gear and spending three quarters of my fortnightly paycheck on pic related on a whim.
I aint never shot video on anything other than my phone before. Did I fuck up?

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i think sony simply because you have the best lens selection and resale

>>4386397
ADHD can be a blessing or a curse, and in your case you've given yourself temporary ADD and kinda fucked yourself. Loomix for video is fine but you could have gotten an actual video camera for the money. Can always amazon return that shit if you feel it's subpar, but who knows, you might actually like it and the results it produces.

>>4386397
Is it going to sit and collect dust? Yes.
Are you going to use it to make cool videos for likes and subscribes? No.

Good kit, just make sure you use it.

>>4386397
>bought a lumix
Welcome to not having working autofocus

>>4386475
better than fuji desu

>>4386406
>an actual video camera for the money
Like what? Everything on picrel was around 2200 usd equivalent.
>>4386473
Tbh I bought it because I'm constantly on the road and I always see pretty and cool things that I want to record and save. Hopefully I don't just forget about it and let it sit on a shelf
>>4386475
I thought the s5ii was meant to be the one to break the cycle and have good autofocus for once.

>>4386546
Panasonic shills words have never reflected reality. They told us the g9ii made full frame pointless too.

>>4386552
Brain rot

>start watching photography youtube video
>they're using a sony
Ah, so you know nothing about photography, thanks for saving me some time.

>>4386614
i think its funny that sony’s success has pissed off so many brand fanboys that they have resorted to saying that they somehow aren’t real cameras

its usually a nikon fag, i guess because nikon lost the hardest and the fastest. occasionally a fuji/leica fag that thinks their brand is the one true mark of artistry (100x corner, 100x back of head, 100x cat with a fully manual camera every day until you go bald and need a beanie. one snap man, never needs to chimp!)

>>4386620
Sony is indirectly responsible for the deaths of zeiss, olympus and pentax as well and has been blamed for "minolta dying" (minolta and sony both focused on bricks, sharp lenses, and small gear?). Lots of brand fanboys hate it just to hate kt.

>>4386621
>olympus
why?

>>4386624
Made micro four thirds sized full frame

>>4386629
really? which one?

>>4386630
I am too lazy to do the funny pxlmag camera size comparison screenshots right now. Try again later.

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>>4386397
install the latest updates, its mostly improvements and a few features
not sure abt x but regular s5ii gets vastly improved af, subject detection , pre-shutter on e-burst, and a bunch of other crap just from firmware

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