>>4381660
Take all the photos you want, but spend at least 1 hour taking a single photograph each day. Real and concerted effort to try and make one great image in a single exposure. Shouldn't matter if you shoot film or digital if you do that.

>>4381660

The human brain is by default greedy.
If its holding a device with the ability to capture 1000s of photos it starts to spam.
If the device can only capture 36 photos a different part of the brain engages to conserve and make the shots last.

Despite many who claim they can just tell their brain to think however they want and it will, brains do not in fact work this way, and the situation will determine how your brain works. Thats a fundamental truth of how brains are. If people could just tell their brain how to act, everybody would be walking around in eternal happyness and joy at all times.
If you are using a film camera, your brain will 100% work differently to if you are holding a film camera and nothing can overcome this.

>>4381660
no you were always just bad. And digital, without the filter of nostalgia called "film" is making such reality more obvious.

>>4381665
>i am too weak willed to shoot digital
film poseurs always did give off drug addict vibes. like they need to put their weed in a timed safe or they say the default way all brains work is to smoke all of the weed.

>>4381669

I own film and digital cameras so I just see how it is. I dont care either way but its very obvious your brain is functioning different between using the 2 different devices.

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OP here, I will post some photos that I took tonight. Let me know if they are bad or not, I have been staring at them too long and can no longer tell

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>>4381674
No it’s not. Because i can afford film, and have 3 extra rolls in my coat pocket. The only thing you’re even close to kept from is difficult frame filling animal action, unless you have an AF SLR, then its easy. So you take extra photos of building corners or asians walking down sidewalks instead? Big whoop.

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>>4381687
last one

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>>4381675
>>4381677
>>4381683

building corners, I swear this board and its obsession with photographing the corners of buildings.

>>4381692
Bulding corners, rocks and leaves is peak photography you filthy casual.

>>4381666
this. skills issue

>>4381660
your film photos probably also suck, the "film look" just made them palatable for you
digitals are probably the same quality of composition, but without doing any processing, just look bad

>>4381692
Your obsession of people shooting building corners as a subject is way funnier

>>4381660
I can't believe it took me this long to work out, but the metering in digital cameras is SHIT.
Always blowing out highlights to fuck, with a random chance of being able to bring it back to sanity in post in the raw file (in which case, why did you lie to me, you stupid plastic shit), with the highlight tone priority (or equivalent) leading to either no change to this, or massive underexposure with no way to predict which.

Meanwhile, print/negative film will usually be correctly exposed if you are at or above a certain threshold of light, no worries. The logistics and the quality of scan are the hurdles one must overcome with that, and I'd say that's a worthy compromise if you're not going insane taking every photo 3 times to get it to expose correctly and you're more likely not holding a plastic-y ugly blob.

>>4382088
Digital is bad with highlights
Film is bad with shadows

Tl;dr skill issue

>>4382090
Digital's way wouldn't be too bad if the camera didn't lie to you (and its own metering system).
What I mean is that auto mode on a digital camera will overexpose the picture, while auto mode on a film camera (or even no exposure control at all in daylight with print film) will more likely than not correctly expose the picture.

>>4382088
Uh you realise digicams have a screen on the back so you can make adjustments to your next shot in the field?

>>4382094
Oh sure I'll just pause time while I get my camera to stop being retarded, then take the correctly exposed picture I wanted in the first place.

>>4382095
Are you Adam sandler from click?

>frogposter
>no photos

>>4382088
skill issue

>>4382092
>Auto mode
>Camera is lying to me
Sounds like you need to learn your camera better, so skill issue like anon said

>>4382092
>turn on zebras custom level 106-107
>always nail highlights
lol based snoy. they give you a dedicated EC dial for a reason. outside of jewelry, snow and stuff i can eyeball it with normal exposure preview but kek why doesnt nikon do this?

>>4382118
Bro's at the petting zoo while I'm out here producing powerful works of art.

>>4381879

They do though, I browse quite a few photography forums and also flickr alot. I am always struck by how much people here photograph the corners of buildings.
Its like the users of /p get subliminally trained to see building corners by browsing all the photos of building corners and then ending up taking photos of corners of buildings themselves.

its just a strange cycle.

Trust me on this, I own digital cameras and film cameras, they BOTH suck at metering.

You need a stand alone hand held meter. I have not adjusted or moved an exposure slider ever since I started using it, its just always right.

Only problem is stuff like if you want to shoot clouds in the sky, you just have to remind your brain, a cloud should be brighter than middle grey, so go 1 stop brighter than the meter says.

But for anything involving people the meter is incredible, same with landscapes. Its just perfect every single time.

Film is just a huge crutch. Literally take some semi blurry shot of a house/car/street and the chemicals will do the rest.

OP here, I think I figured out part of the problem. Since I moved to aps-c digital, all my floating aperture lenses are now effectively f/5-f/8 and so there is a lot more DOF than I want/am used too. I will try to get my hands on an f/2.8 zoom or maybe a few fast primes and see if that helps.

>>4381660
Yeah because you're not used to the camera. Give it some time.

>>4382142
Metering is flawless on any competent digital camera, ie: sony mirrorless, canon DSLR. You just have to shoot raw and use your own tone curve instead of trying to meter around an 8 bit computerized image format from 1992.
Jpeg = slide film
Raw = negative film
Comprende?

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>>4382511
>competent digital camera
>sony mirrorless, canon DSLR

>>4382543
if you piss off a pedophile your chances of being right shoot up to 9001%. the game.

>>4382568
>pedophile
so this is your brain on snoy, woah

>>4382573
>uh she’s a 13000 year old vampire

>>4382574
the fuck are you on m8

>>4382479
thanks for giving a real answer

>>4381664
This is a fallacy. Great art doesn't necessarily take eons to create. Honestly sounds like a lack of skill or artistic talent if you have to spend at least an hour just to get one passable photo.

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>>4381665
>>4381669
>>4381674
>>4381684

nta but I learned to shoot on a 35mm Pentax garbagebox of a camera. all the limitations and discipline that came with it carried over when I started using digital. i still treat each photo like it's being done on film and i don't use software to edit my photos afterwards. you can impose whatever limits you want on yourself or you can be an Insta-pig and just slam 200 photos down that all look like shit. digital does tend to make lazy people lazier, especially when they have access to editing software that is effectively cheating or hiding their lack of skill.
>>4381683
cozy

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>>4382596
>cozy
Thanks, I really enjoyed that one, the warm porch light and the purple darkness of sunset was a good color contrast and it kind of gave me darksouls, bonfire vibes.

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>>4382597
i love nighttime stuff, very nostalgic and peaceful. incandescent and mercury vapor bulbs are pure kino, i wish they hadn't replaced them all with dull LEDs.

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>>4382595
You simply lack the skill, passion, or artistic talent to understand why it would take someone extended time to produce a photograph, and the benefits of spending time to produce a photograph.

It is not about the time necessarily it is about pushing yourself to put greater effort into every aspect of your work. A very simple concept completely lost on the snapshitters amongst us.

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>>4382604
I agree, I hate the new LEDs. If I honest, I just cheat them back to orange if the vibe fits

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>>4382605
I never said great work doesn't take time, I merely pointed out that it's faulty logic to assume more time = better product. Some photos are staged and choreographed over days, others are taken in an instant but live on for decades as famous examples of beautiful work caught by someone with a keen eye in a split second.

A pretentious fag sitting for an hour pondering about the perfect way to photograph a dandelion is not a proven formula for producing good art. Try not to take it personally, it's not a personal attack against you because I don't even know you or your work.

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>>4382607
yeah i suppose you can always adjust afterwards, but something about the warm light just casts shadows differently and gives them a sort of IRL-filter effect. might just be drawing me back to better times but i'm sure there's a scientific explanation based on the different wavelengths and how we perceive them.

maybe it just looks more like fire and our caveman brains get activated by it.

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>>4382608
>better product
ah you are one of "those" got it

>>4382618
>being deliberately obtuse to avoid conceding that you were an over-zealous fag who thought a stranger was personally attacking him for a comment he didn't even make

ah you are one of (((those))) got it

>>4382608
That wasn't me... I agree, but if you understood my post and contextualized it properly you would see that I never said anything like what you thought I did.

Simply a suggestion of an exercise to get better at using a digital camera and photography in general.

>>4382623
OK but why an hour and not 5 minutes? Humans all have ADHD now and we tend to compartmentalize data rather than store it in huge sums. I would say spending 5 minutes a fiddling with the aperture settings and just throwing out some photos to see what differences you get would make more sense.

>>4382624
Exactly. It is a challenge. What's worth spending an hour taking only one great picture of? What does that entail? How do I put 1 hour of effort into a single shot?

1 hour is my 5 minutes lol. Some of my studio shots take me multiple hours to set up and take my one photo.

>>4381660
You're either a troll OR you don't know how to post process your digital files. RAWs are flat ooc on purpose so you have the freedom to get the look that you want. There are countless plugins if you want a preset look.

>>4382626
nta but film > digital

>>4381660
Film is in pretty much every way other than highlight preservation worse than digital.
However, I think that the claims that digital is too sharp and too clinical is true. I believe better image quality can often actually lead to a worse image.
This also depends on the image in question, landscape photos can be better in some cases with the benefits of digital.
I personally like "flawed" images and so I tend to reintroduce those flaws when editing if I'm working with my full frame camera.

>>4381660
Sounds like you're shooting without intention, go slower

>>4382626
>raws are flat ooc
Lightroom problems

>>4384818
>film is worse
Shatbed problems

>>4384818
>This also depends on the image in question, landscape photos can be better in some cases with the benefits of digital.
Maybe just me, but I really like smaller prints of landscapes with out of focus areas or general softness. Huge, UWA razor sharp photos are often boring and lack impact. Same with wildlife photos, but swap UWA for supertele. I'll use a 400mm on a mountain sooner than a bird.

>>4381660
>am i bad
yep

>>4381697
hahah oh no no no hahah

>>4381660
no you're just incapable to hold the camera still. the low quality low resolution of film masks your micro jitters and you can get away with the "1 over focal length" shutter speed rule. but many digital cameras resolve far too good for that. so choose faster shutter speed and your photos will improve.
yes, anon, that guy claiming film has 10000 gigapixel of resolution is just a mentally ill person

>>4384921
Film is absurdly high resolution. The issue is the amount of people that think their blurry scans are as good as it gets
OP was most likely getting 6mp lab scans from a noritsu frontier scan dual with 10 stops of dynamic range and wholly unprepared to shoot with 25mp and 15 stops of dynamic range. If you’re a lab scan fag, rescan your negatives on a camera and behold that maybe one photo every two rolls holds up to the camera.

Most of you aren’t even using sharp lenses. Like you’ll say stupid shit like “the pentax 67 lenses are SUPER SHARP!”
No. They are dogshit. MF film is capable of 100mp+ but with a really shit lens it’ll look out of focus above 25mp. Most lenses people call sharp can not even hit the nyquist limit on mediocre digitals.
The other issue is most film cameras are SLRs. Due to mirror vibrations, most DSLRs dont even hold up to 50mp unless you find a shutter speed sweet spot first or use MLU/live view. Leica stayed popular for a reason.
There’s also diffraction. If you are going for max resolution, diffraction softens film regardless of how big your negative is past f5.6-f8. Our own doghair proved this, showing details on high res peeps at 4x5 degrading from f8 on. The idea that larger formats can stop down more descends from people shooting larger formats to enlarge them less, because most photographers have always been soulless gearfags who have always hated grain because its a technical flaw.
And finally, manual focus cameras are inherently inaccurate. Even with a loupe on a ground glass you can not determine critical focus to the standards of a high resolution scan. Only an autofocus sensor can achieve that level of precision.

In the end, you can nail a 100mp film shot but doing so would require a tripod, cable release, mamiya rangefinder or
monorail rig, a small aperture but no tighter than f8, which on a 100mp worthy format like 6x9 would be thin ass DOF, and therefore, you would also require bracketing or luck.

>>4384926
high resolution demands faster shutter speeds or you can 100% see everything that dared move 1mm as blurrier than the rocks and concrete

most film cameras especially large formats cant go over 1/500 or 1/1000 so you’s never pass 20 good megapixels or so on a moving subject. flash with 0 ambient exposure is the only way around this. meanwhile landscape photographers in real life shoot at like f32 1 second, so for their daily work, 4x5 is no better than a d850.

>>4384926
>>4384928
This, kids, is why film is dead.
>well technically, its 200mp
>In the dead center
>just the eyeballs really
>yes everything else is blurry
>but if it were a totally flat chart, or a landscape with no foreground at all...!
>shut up i cant stop down, diffraction fucks up my 200mp scans

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>>4384986
>>4384926
Here is the test. Diffraction is not a big deal if you're contact printing, and you guys are over exaggerating the softening effect on large format. The diffraction softening is not visible to the naked eye even at f32. Shooting high magnification macro increases the amount of diffraction significantly as well. Keep in mind this test was shot directly onto printing paper, so it will not be as high resolution as film.

I'll post a crop of a picture I took at f96 after this, and you can look at it scaled to an 8x10 print. The lens isn't really that sharp, but the result is still very pleasing. Diffraction is noticeable.

8x10 and larger is really for making contact prints. 8x10 capable enlargers are rare, expensive, and difficult to use.

You have plenty of DoF with 4x5 and MF. 8x10 DoF gets challenging, but that's why we use cameras with movements.

Critical focus can be achieved very accurately using a ground glass and loupe, but you need to use clear glass instead of ground glass. I found out that some GG designed for aerial photography has clearly glass in the middle for critical focusing. When using a loupe on clear glass the optical circuit between lens and eye actually outresolves the film you're using significantly. Try it. It's cool.

Focusing only on resolution is a boring game when the tonality of even soft 8x10 prints is a true joy to behold.

Lastly if you're just scanning film you aren't doing it right. Make prints in a darkroom. You won't care about this and just use the format that gets you the image and look you want to make a print with.

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Apo ronar 1040mm @ f96. Scale the height to 8 inches on your screen. This wasn't made with contact printing paper, so I'm missing a little bit of resolution, but not a lot.

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>>4385033
I can't remember if I had my contact printing frame when I made this print either, so it may actually be a bit sharper than this actually.

>>4385033
A d200 has this much resolution.

>>4385039
Hold on I'm scanning the negative.

>>4385039
The scan preview looks sharper than my contact print. I definitely made it before I got my contact printing frame lol.

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Unsharpened straight out the scanner compressed to be able to post on here. Maybe I'll see if I can copy this picture with my dslr and see how the two compare.

I don't have a great printer, so the comparison would not really be fair, but it would be interesting.

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>>4385052
Ok,A d200 has more resolution

>>4385054
You are completely missing the point, but I would still like to see you prove it.

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Took this with a very high end modern 8x10 lens at f64. This crop is roughly 1/80th of the entire negative. You would need to make an enormous print to even notice anything you would call diffraction.

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>>4385065
yeah man but still looks like ass

>>4385066
It sounds to me like you're either trolling or have zero perspective. The 2000dpi scan is barely making out the grain! Go make a 1/80th crop of a picture you've taken and post it on here.

>>4385065
digi-sisters our response?!?

>>4385065
based

>>4385134
nooo my heckin cinephile paster tone rollerinoooss

>>4385065
Uhhhhhhh, guys... How many megapickles are we saying is in this crop? Looks like there's actually more detail in the negative if it was scanned better...

>>4385136
You can still get portra 160 in 8x10. That will be 50 dollars a shot tyvm. :D