Yeah stop taking photos you fucking faggot. Just taking photos is meaningless. Any grandmother can press the shutter button and take a photo. It's no big deal. You need to start thinking in terms of projects and photoboks. Yeah that's right. That's where the art is. To conceive an idea and then construct a coherent union of form and content around it and then putting all of this within start and end covers of a photobook so it means something. This is real photography. Days of single photos are long gone. In digital age if you're not thinking in terms of projects then I am sorry but you're not really a photographer. You're a thoughtless snapshitter throwing shit at the wall in the hopes that one day it will make sense. If you have no greater stylistic vision or don't have things to say or conceive then you'll always stay an entry level retard with a camera. This is the Filter in photography.
Agreed but I still can't be assed to.
Is this engagement bait?
>>4391512is this engagement bait?
>>4391512What bait retard? Working on photobooks/project is same a musician working on his album, a writer working on his novel, a director working on his film etc.
>>4391514Since you called me a retard I have no choice but to assume you are arguing in bad faith.
>>4391518There's no room for argument here. I am objectively right. If you want to stay a hobbyist then cool but don't delude yourself by thinking that you're a photographer if you have never completed a project.
>>4391504>>4391519Do you feel in charge?
>>4391543Yes
>>4391504if i'm not documenting how will i ever have a documentary anon? you don't start with your conclusion and work backwards, you gather the information and then organize it into a cohesive narrative
>>4391518is this engagement bait?
>>4391548Here how it goes >man i am out of ideas >okay imma just shoot whatever catches my eye>i'll weave these photos into a project someday >for now imma keep shooting shit >click click click click click click click >i'll weave a project out of these in just two more weeks>click click click click click click >what there are 50,000 photos in my folder now? shieeeeet >proceed to abandon those folders for a decade because it is impossible to edit(select) such a mess i won't say go full autismo in the start but you think to stop and think too. keep thinking about a cohesive idea for a project. think about it all of the time. like lynch says, put the bait on the hook. keep shooting minimally but stay on the hunt for an idea. without idea there is no point in shooting. with an idea you can say or show whatever you want probably in way less time and way less photos and CERTAINLY way simple edit. limitation of a project is great shit otherwise you're lost.
>>4391504Fuck me, at last I see a quality thread on /p/. OP says the truth. You can take a good photo, but without further meaning it will always be that, a photo.
>>4391545I hate camera owning faggots like you. Your kind has ruined photography. Understand, you are not a photographer. You never will be. You're consumer faggot that owns cameras, takes shitty pictures and runs their fat uninformed mouth at every opportunity. Thanks to your kind photography in large is essentially dead. Fuck you. You aren't in charge of anything besides your fat mouth. Fucking cunt.
>>4391596God dammed I hate your kind. Fuck you too. Fucking cunt.
>>4391504>take a photo of a hobo>take a photo of a garbage can>slap a political blurb on>GUYS IM AN ARTISTThis is not art except by the most aggressively semiti-i mean secular ivory tower wank definition.
>>4391504if only i had some fresh raw files to practice my editing skill for real project
>>4391623correct. photobooks are an anachronism of pre-internet media distribution, nothing else. now, if you combine photos with a STORY, instead of one liner comments about climate change, you might actually be doing something (ultra low framerate cinema) that is truly art instead of worthless pseud wank for trust fund kids
Too bad he's fucking dead and his photos sucked ass. They're interesting technically but they're some of the most boring and least thought provoking shit i've ever seen. Thank god cancer took this pretentious retard.
>>4391518Retard, you know what they say when you assume (or maybe you don't since english isn't your native language lol ESL shitter)
>>4391504A compilation of non-art does not art make. Stop taking photos, start making them. Otherwise you're still not an artist at least in the photographic sense. Maybe you're an artist of book editing, but not an art photographer.
Also if we're holding art to this guy's standard, then artreprofag is the best artist to ever post on /p/, with his building corners.It feels great to be back with my true trip, fuck tm for taking my ability to post with it away for so long.
Fuck Art, Let's Dance!
>>4391623>>4391626If you don't like the photobooks that are being shilled out then fucking make a photobook that you think is the real shit and stuff it into those trustfund faggots' mouths. That's what I am trying to do. > photobooks are an anachronism of pre-internet media distribution, nothing else.Utterly wrong. With endless barrage of digital images photobooks book are now the primary medium of choice for "serious" photographers. We are observing a huge surge in photobook market as a back lash to cheapening of photographs in this era of doomscrolling. >>4391649He had a great and original style. >>4391705Dance is also art.
>>4391702Idiot. >>4391720>if you dont like something then do itWho let the discount inspirational speaker in also no i wont buy your bookWho cares how serious these pretentious retards think they are their shit sucks
>>4391721>Who let the discount inspirational speaker in also no i wont buy your bookYou will never make it. We artists literally play God with our art and you are saying this is motivational shite? Kek, I am God of my creation you worm. I'll stuff it into those trustfund faggots' mouth.
>>4391722Thanks for proving me rightDont you have a 3fps silent film to accompany with some shitty poem? Shoo shoo
>>4391724Fuck off fag. You haven't earned the right to talk shit about my art. I would have grabbed you by balls if you said this shit to me in real life.
>>4391725Behold the average person who doesnt hate new topographics
>>4391744Yeah I'll be-hold your nuts real tight you fucking faggot
>>4391747That Erwitt-tier shitpic is unironically better than New Topographics
>>4391504Seriously look at this losers work and tell us he has a leg to stand onThe compilation is the death rattle of the snapshit. Nothing more than the more pretentious cousin to a middle school history book.
>>4391845>Seriously look at this losers work and tell us he has a leg to stand onthishis photos would be way better if they were standalones because maybe every now and then a couple of them could occasionaly be goodwhen he puts them in a single book you know for sure that whole collection is going to be shit
>>4391876No man by putting 20 snapshits of warehouses together he’s elevated them to a critique or the intersectional white male colonialism and capitalism bad
>>4391504>>4391845This is not bad at all but seems more suited for architecture photography than whatever critics make it out to be
>>4391845>>4391882Post your portfolios, fucking retards
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Yawn. No one cares about these lame pics. Short form video killed photography. Nothing personnel kiddo.
Imagine getting filtered by total coherence
>>4392703Kill yourself
Intoxicating coherence
"FAGGOT HATERS CAN SUCK DEEZ BALTZ" he said while nonchalantly taking a puff from his cigarette in cold and empty bathroom of a high rise hotel room
Dear god baltz fucking sucks. This specifically is why people say photography isn’t art. Call garry winogrands ghost and tell him he’s actually the second biggest scam in photography
>>4392720Kill yourself
>>4392703FR this shit gay af
>>4392720fr dude
>>4392725Im sorry if an art expert told you this is art but it isn’t and photography is dead specifically because of people thinking it is and taking 50 photos of gravel
>>4392737must be blissful to be a low iq subhuman
>>4392745oh you think the official midwit field (modern art) has something to do with intelligenceit literally exists so the unintelligent children of intelligent entrepreneurs can still be successful. in return they justify the west’s single largest money laundering institution between anonymous cash auctions and swiss freeports, enabling the 0.0001% to pay absolutely zero taxes and get as much money from lobbyists and white collar crime as they want. if you aren’t part of this world or chosen by it, photography isnt art so much as it’s a craft or an aside to something that is a real art, like directing. there is some art in fashion photography and believe it or not you can work your way to the top honestly. otherwise have fun being a journalist/activist
>>4392747didn't read, kys
>>4392737kekd
>>4392748too badmove to a big shitty and sell your soul to the fashion world or photograph warzones and poor brown people that is all
>>4392737>photography is dead specifically because of people thinking it is and taking 50 photos of gravellmao too true
Like i said his photography seems to be pretty good for architecture but in terms of storytelling via narrative or progressive concept i don't think he's that good from the images provided, let alone from his quote in OP's picture.What can i construct out of technically sound and pretty interior shots? that architects back then were much better than today? that he is a top-tier stock image photographer? that shooting galleries with cool art doesn't make you the author of them?
>>4392758He is heavier on form which it think is adequate. People think so much about content but they forget that art IS aesthetics. Or there is no art without aesthetics. You comparing these highly stylistic images with stock photography is baffling. Show me a single stock photographer with this much coherent style. Show me a single photographer who was doing this style before him. His influence is everywhere. You can see it on instagram everywhere.If you want "content" then you have to look at it within the context of time in which it was published. He was a part of exhibition called New Topographics "Man altered landscape". These were all new constructions and when a modern man see a landscape he doesn't see a landscape untouched by man. What he see is this >>4392707 (You) flat concrete constructions rather than nature. Walls, corners, door and windows are the View. With interior shots he is turning the idea of landscape photography on its head and photographing the interior like its a landscape. These are cold unhuman spaces of modernity. This is the new ugly landscape, both outdoor and indoor, made by man. This is the new landscape. I am not american so I don't understand the other subtle bits of information. But art is HOW you say something not what you say because everything is has already been said before. It is a matter of style really.
>>4392769>art IS aestheticsAgreed, he has that dialed up in his colour work>You comparing these highly stylistic images with stock photography is bafflingWhy? great stock photographers were very good>Show me a single stock photographer with this much coherent styleSure, months ago an anon dumped pic related and related works>Show me a single photographer who was doing this style before himOK, you are requesting too much when i can only upload a single picture. It has been done before, doesn't mean he isn't good. Julius Shulman is a decent example.>photographing the interior like its a landscapeI understand you, but that's called architecture photography, nothing groundbreaking and so far this all sounds very pretentious, i understand the study of landscape affected by man and the semiotics of the architectural language>cold unhuman spaces of modernityWrong, only a subhuman would think otherwise.
>>4392803>Why? great stock photographers were very goodPost some names >Sure, months ago an anon dumped pic related and related worksThis is one medicore photo. Not a coherent style. By coherent style I mean which spans over a whole body of work. Coherence in terms of projects and photobooks. Baltz did in 70s and your anons is 2024, yes this is Lewis Baltz's influence. >Julius ShulmanHe was real estate photographer. New Topographics photographer's presented the concept in terms of projects. It is the context of their body of work which gave them edge. >I understand you, but that's called architecture photography,You need to spend sometime studying photography if you think that this is architecture photography. Architecture relates to buildings only not the View and the landscape.>Wrong, only a subhuman would think otherwise.Only a subhuman would accept these concrete, steel, glass and plastic bullshit without total wreckage of the environment and no regard for nature. These dystopian spaces are designed for robots not humans.
>>4392769>art is how you sayAnd saying I Take The Same Photo 20 Times is not artArt is not all human endeavors or else we’d be calling burning food cooking instead of gross incompetence. Somewhere in his social circle there are a lot of legs up the ladder to the undeserving, non contributing world of the 0.0000001%
>>4392846This rant about how angles are le evil and le environment is nothing said in baltzes photosModern art is that 4chan poster who reads imagined meanings into posts and assigns them to a cast of charactersIn other words ashkenazi schizophrenia
>>4392850art so boring the real experience is being told what to think about it by the pretentious societal leech giving the tour
>>4392846these fairly normal spaces are literally designed for humansnot deer
>>4392849Most great artists have only one story to tell. It's the form that matters which is great filter for pleb like you. >cooking Cooking is literally an art. It is the most sensual of arts. You can survive on raw meat and cheese, milk and yogurt. >non contributing worldYawn, then you're on the wrong forum. Go find some pleb shit server made for electricians or carpenters.
>>4392856>these fairly normal spacesBuy some soul.
>>4392902baltz is not a great artist and he is nothing more than consistently pretentious and badbillionaires are leechesnot one single great artist was born after 1870deal with it. the human brain has been shrinking since the victorian.
>>4392902Most great artists came from the poor and contributing world and died poor. The undeserving rich are literally incapable of making good art. It just so happens that due to its reliance on high end equipment most photographers fall in with all those sons of rothschilds to the point that some totally talentless idiots base entire careers on photographing hollywoods most heavily shilled rich parasites.
>>4392846>This is one medicore photoAs good as Baltz work, you are biased if you say otherwise. Thierry Dosogne is a name, he may have been heavily influenced no doubt but he's as good as Baltz, just decided to go stock rather than the pretentious museum way.>By coherent style I mean which spans over a whole body of workCan only post one picture per post you stupid faggot, where do you think we are?>Coherence in terms of projects and photobooksWhich we can't see here either, we can make our own coherence when seeing many pictures from the same era, perhaps not as good due to the lack of order and montage that the author would've liked but the technique and emotion is there individually.>He was real estate photographer.Wrong, he was an architecture photographer showing the modernity of International Style architecture, along with individual savants, in dire conditions or in their aesthetic flamboyance. You couldn't read that i don't know why, i thought you were serious about this.>Architecture relates to buildings only not the View and the landscape.Plain wrong, you are retarded and cannot read photography well. Stop posting.
>>4392905>>4392907This is commie rhetoric but the fact is the rich usually have a hard time doing art because they both lack the workrate and the struggle that life is for most people.One thing is sure, there have been richfags who made great art, there hasn't been a dumbass who made great art.
>>4392935>there have been historical richfags who sculpted naked people and drew jesus>none of them made something as moving as one jimi hendrix somg
>>4392936>moving>a jimmi hendrix songlol stop trying, also discover the world of most fucking classical musicians who were strapped in cash
>>4392944most classical musicians legacy is making purposefully boring musicimagine your autistic church music tradition being OHKO’d by illiterate africans smacking guitars
>>4392946>purposefully boring musicShut the fuck up nigger
>>4392995>t. entire musical tradition OHKO’d by a black guy singing about bananas from bach to wagner it fucking died to DAAAAAAAAAY OHI SAY DAAAAAAY OHDAYLIGHT COME AND ME WAN GO HOOOOOOOMEWhats left of classical is just academic jazz
>>4393005Just like all of photography as an art is irrelevant to society as a whole because everything significant is shot on an iphoneMeanwhile camera companies just cant figure out to make something larger than a ricoh GR practical for home and outings>guys, QD STRAP?Or how to make a ricoh gr a good camera instead of a street photographers quirky meme
>>4392934>>As good as Baltz work, you are biased if you say otherwise.Stopped reading here. I can't possibly comprehend that you think that one photo taken in the comparison to whole lifetime's work(in which the best was made 50/40 years ago) is same.
>>4392907>>The undeserving rich are literally incapable of making good art.Kek, aristocrats took over the art in from 17th century onward. Working classes are too drenched in the anxiety of survival to perform leisure activities. It sounds harsh but most of the great artists were from rich background. >>4392905Then why are you photography forum you fucking subhuman? Go jerk around paintings on /ic/ stupid fucking subhuman.
>>4393026>one photo taken in the comparison to whole lifetime's workLook at the name and see his work you stupid fucking spearchucking porchmonkey
>>4393034First it was "this was posted by anon" and now that guy has a name. What the fuck is your problem retard? You're convolution things.
>>4393027>aristocrats took over art in the most pretentious and soulless period in the artsLol>U HAVE TO THINK NEW TOPOGRAPHICS IS ART TO PHOTOGRAPHY REEEElol avedon made art baltz made spunk on a wall after jerking off too hard and still needed to explain the point>the stone boxes dont have swirls and angel faces on them now so its destroying the world see?
>>4393080>pretentiousSorry I don't engage with boomers who use this meaningless word.
>>4393084It’s meaningful hence your hurt responseit means ambitiously false claims, lies. it means crappy art that needs explained. it means baltz saying he’s an artist because he put all the photos of rectangles together and made sure the camera was level. pretentiousness is a con.
>>4393087That is the most common thrown around words by plebs who don't understand art. Paintings the are fucking gay.
>>4393100Anyone who thinks hairy baltz is an artist doesnt understand art
>>4392907Western canon is filled with higher middle class artists, many of whom were wealthy. Anon that argued that rich don't have as much need to succeed is correct, though. Practically all that did succeed, had material gains as a goal for their work. Its' a curious situation, there can be no fame without success.
>>4391504that's why i'm a nophoto herewtf am i gon do post 3 out of context pics, or post a whole project? No and no.
>>4392704>>4392705>>4392707these are fucking terrible and the equivalent of that one "art" exhibit of a banana duck taped to a wall.
>>4393052>"this was posted by anon"He dumped the pictures, doesn't mean he took themLearn to read, nigger
>>4391552highly agree anon. its not even really fun to mindlessly snapshot random stuff. creativity and artistic value is the soul of quality photography, not how many photos a camera can shoot in a second. I noticed i enjoy photography a lot more and take better pictures when i have a dedicated purpose to be with my camera.
>>4392705Continue living
>>4391552>like lynch saysLynch doesn't know much
