>>4397353
they're not good

>>4397354
look at some comparison videos with a critical eye, theres some real gems out there.
yumcha 50mm f/0.95 - $300 "it's garbage"
40 year old Leica 50mm - $14000 "best lens ever!! it's got character!"

minor differences in quality (<5%), similar output for a tenth the cost

brandfags are absolutely delusional

Yeah, the cheap ultrafast lenses are copies of the not-so-optically-good Leica 50/0.95 - and most of the time they're even worse.
There's a few actually good 0.95s you can get without breaking the bank, for example the Laowa Argus 45mm - surprisingly sharp wide open, and can be used as a "landscape" lens once stopped down without any bigger issues outside of some CA. The Leica clones aren't sharp even stopped down - I guess it's not much of an issue if you only shoot wide open but I think every lens should be sharp at f8.

>>4397357
And their image circles aren't cut off at the edges often, some 7artisans lenses are suitable for GFX sensors

>>4397353
Modern manufacturers are obsessed with electronic and optical perfection, so they spend a lot of money on optical glass (which is expensive by itself) and coat it or mix it with even more expensive materials to control chromatic aberration and distortion. Add designs with a million elements and complex electronics and you have the recipe for a 1000$, 2lb 50mm that's bigger than an old 85.
The chinese make a metal case and fit an old design with few elements, untreated glass and little to no electronics.
The sad truth is that if nikon, canon and sony made lenses like this they wouldn't sell the expensive ones, because no matter what gearfags say cheap, imperfect lenses are way more fun.

>>4397354
What is good?

>>4397377
Does Voigtlander have 0.95s for non MFT mounts or was that an M43 thing only? Always found it interesting how most offerings there are APSC lenses with a different mount but then there's a handful of designed-for-43 lenses like the Voigts, or the Laowa 18. I haven't used them myself, but looking at prices they really think highly to compete with gently used first party lenses that are slightly slower, but have AF, IS, can actually be used wide open, etc.

>>4397436
Voigtlander has a 50mm f/1.0 for M and Z mount.

>>4397436
They make the 50mm f1 for E/M/Z mount, I would say that it's essentially the same thing, but yeah, f0.95 only for MFT.

Most of the cheaper f0.95 have T-stops comparable to f1.2 lenses (I'm guessing), but you can't get the DOF and dreamy look with the "usual" AF/IS lenses on MFT. And people like the numbers, I am myself guilty of owning the Laowa 45/0.95.

>>4397396
Normal people who aren't larping failed painters actually want sharper lenses. The sharpest. Every single year they are clamoring for better fine detail and higher resolutions from their phones and the only thing keeping dedicated cameras afloat is supreme sharpness. Sharpness is, in fact, the only reason there is even an accessible camera market for funky lenses to exist in otherwise it would just be stuff like pentax and leica, expensive and mediocre with no economy of scale going for it.

A blurry photo is a ruined photo to a normal person. It doesnt matter if you're using a camera to cope with your inability to paint and extreme edge blur and swirl looks cool, almost no one else wants that shit and they do not find it fun when they can't take a standard group photo without pre-planning to not use the outer 1/3s of the frame.

Normal people use cameras to preserve moments in time, nothing else, and use photoshop, paintbrushes pens and pencils to be creative.

It's just camera nerd gearfags larping as HCB that use lens purchases to be creative.

Hey, now that I put it like that, it kind of sounds like you're the gearfag doesn't it?
"You express your creative side by buying lenses"

>>4397453
Bruh I ain't buying a Sigma just because you're a schizoid.

>>4397453
a common trait in autistic people is not understanding why others prefer something they don't. they/(You) simply cannot comprehend it. just wanted to point that out, no need to respond with a wall of text.

>>4397453
You didn't understand shit. Normal people don't see the difference between a mediocre lens (by today's standards) and a super sharp lens from a major manufacturer. Normal people just want something that gets the job done, but there's no profit in that so companies saturate the market with expensive over-engineered shit and shills and gearfsgs do the sales part. I'd rather have an ok equipment and spend the rest living and using it than spending a month's rent in a camera/lens. that's why chink lenses are so popular, people want to have fun and try an f0.95 without worrying about the financial burden of a noctilux

>>4397458
>So hurt by the truth the gearfag responds to an imaginary order to buy a sigma
Sigma has been selling "character" lenses for those "not a gearfag" people that
>express their creative side by buying lenses
for a while ackshually, like the "sigmacron", its blurry as fuck

do you know why? because the normal people who would pick up a paintbrush or open photoshop if they wanted a blurry picture gave them so much money they could release niche products lmao.
if you use a camera for anything but cut and dry journalistic activities you're seen as pretentious and an irrational big spender. this is a fact today and has been a fact for the entire history of photography going back to early pictorialists that had extensive darkrooms and shittons of special effect ear just to achieve 80% of what a paintbrush could.

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>>4397453
>"You express your creative side by buying lenses"
as opposed to what? making your own? aint nobody got time for that
what, you get upset at painters for buying brushes and paint?
by your definition one must cast aside all human progress and start finger painting with your own shit until you've rebuilt society from scratch, only THEN are we allowed to make art with technology

fuckin moron

>>4397461
Normal people zoom in constantly, they crop stuff out of photos. Normal people can't imagine why you would buy a 24-120 when they can crop from 24 to look like 120. You look like a goof and they think you take photos of birds with blurry backgrounds.

Do you think 50 people on dpreview drive market trends? Do you really think mtf chart nerds are so numerous they are a significant market force? Do you think cameras are pushing 6k and 8k video because of "the gearfags"? No, it's normal people who are far more clueless about photography than you. Pulitzer prize winning journalists are shooting super sharp 24mms and just cropping. No one is using 4k, 6k, 8k video for sharpness, they are using it to crop from 24mm. It has never been "the gearfags". It's normal people who do not give a fuck about camera nerd shit and crop the everloving fuck out of every photo and rate quality by how blurry it is.

You are the gearfags, always saying skill issue, the art of using the camera, get it right in camera, pick the right lens for the job, you need an 85mm for portraits, you need to select a lens with the right rendering for the mood, etc.

Normal people add bokeh by clicking a button on their phone after zooming in 5x from 24mm.

>>4397463
>as opposed to what?
Adding blur in photoshop instead of paying a company hundreds of dollars to blur your photos for you, like everyone else already does
*clicks the bokeh button on the iphone*
need 48mp super sharpness for the AI edits to be more accurate ;)

>>4397466
>>4397468
>its gearfagging when you use a zoom lens
>its gearfagging if you like one lens more than another
>its not gearfagging to be obsessed with maximizing sharpness and demanding the most megapickles possible so that I can crop

>>4397463
>make art with technology
If buying the same blurry swirly effect lens as everyone else is artistic and creative then buying the same lightroom presets as everyone else is too

You probably dont know of any non purchasable photo effects other than brenizer. Fr.

>>4397469
Hes right. Its not gearfagging because its tech illiterate. Blurry photo bad, sharp photo good. Very basic, so basic teenage girls rate phone quality by how blurry it gets when they zoom (crop). When you swoop in and start telling everyone to get closer and buy these primes and this zooms, it doesnt matter how cheap they are, you are the gear fag with the gear bag.

>>4397472
>gear teenage girls like = not gear
>gear anyone else likes = gear
I see I see, and i'm sure you base all of your other opinions on what teenage girls prefer too?

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>>4397470
hoe, i built my own camera out of trash, i think i do know a thing or two about creative photography

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>>4397473
Im just saying, he is correct that sharpness and resolution are not being driven by gear nerds who shoot raw, know what a cmos is and read mtf charts. Its literally normies cropping. The jpeg mode of most cameras includes digital zoom. The popularity of 61mp sony is due to digital zoom. The bloating megapixel numbers from the 18mp that was as good as 35mm ever was to the standard climbing into the 30mps today is because normies dont understand that you’re "supposed to" buy another lens to zoom and then ask why their photos look like crap.

And these normies literally can not comprehend walking around with a telescope or a camera backpack. They are the polar opposite of a gearfag. A gearfag simps for camera companies. Camera companies scramble to serve nongearfags.

>>4397476
dont forget bigger number = better as with the phone megapixel wars of the late 2000's
hell that shit even came back because it was such a powerful marketing strat

>>4397477
It works because normal people at least know that if it has the big number it wont look as bad when they zoom.
>but you need to get closer or use an 85mm with the right rendering. *unzips backpack* here, this is an 18-55 kit zoom. see what it does? if you would… - gearfag
>the big number means i can zoom in more -nongearfag

>>4397476
if we're using normies zooming 5x on their iphones as the baseline then even a p&s or barebones ilc elevates someone to a gearfag, making it a meaningless term on a photography discussion board tbqh. there's a vast gulf between people who want their phone to have a magic zoom and people who are reviewing the charts, and most people who own a digital camera (or hell even most 35mm fags) are closer to iphone users than chart obsessors. picking up a lens every now and again for a hand-me-down slr is a lot less gearfaggy than buying a brand new sony/nikon/cannon/fuji because it has a 8k 120fps imo. its a question of mindset - "will this let me do something that i want to do?" vs "will this look right and up to standard?" the former is a photographer's mindset, and the latter is a gearfag

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These are both worth looking through for some of the differences you can expect between lenses.

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/comparison-super-fast-50mm-m-mount-lenses/
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/comparison-the-battle-of-35s-nikon-z-vs-sigma-vs-tamron-vs-zeiss-vs-pergear-vs-nikon-ai-s/

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>>4397480
good point, however
buying higher megapixel bodies is also gearfaggotry by most peoples standards
so we really cant avoid it can we?

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>>4397482
And the point is that gearfags are a minority and all the people buying this gorillion mp super sharp lens stuff are just normies who use the zoom setting while shooting jpeg or just intuitively know it looks better.

Chart autism is a minority thing, a gearfag can explain why it looks better and pull up example charts and tell you about sampling rates and quantization noise.

A normal person trusts the people who built the camera to be right about the bigger number looking better.

>>4397486
Gearfaggotry is not even a word to most people. Its a word camera enthusiasts throw at eachother as their version of sportscar and truck faggots accusing each other of compensating for something.

To the rest of the world they are both idiots. A chinese effect lens buyer and chart nerd are both idiots to a normal person. You can just add boh key in photoshop, duh!

>>4397490
completely fair opinion i respect it

>>4397491
You’d already know if you met the average normie camera user

People actually use sony clear image zoom, a lot, and /p/ uses that button for pixel peep ing focus checks. They use it with the kit lens.

>>4397453
Next you're going to tell us the loft count on your paintbrushes. (¬_¬)

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I just bought a 7artisans 35 f2 chinese summicron because of this thread
How much more awesome will my photography become?

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>>4397645
not at all
but it is a cute lens

The thing that people fail to realise is that for such a low price-point, the "vintage" ""asthetic"", the manual controls, and the abberations and CA can produce some pleasingly film-like results. If these were only the price of 1st party lenses -20% they'd be just dogshit waste, but they're not that pricey and so are valid purchases for fun

>>4397649
Sorry, you can enjoy $1k smartphones, but enjoying $80 lens is gearfag territory
t. blobschizo

>>4397661
if you dont already have a $1k iphone you got for free with a verizon plan you probably dont have friends or a sex life that didnt come from anime/furry/gamer meetups lol. no one pays the $1k for their phone, they're heavily subsidized and basically rented half the time.

literally everyone under 40 has a $1k iphone now. its basically mandatory just to send a video or 2 way facetime and pretty soon its going to be mandatory for bank security (already is for some europeans). buying a camera after you already have your mandatory iphone is gearfaggotry (you can add swirly bokeh in an app ok?). not having an iphone is incel autism unless you're a historically oppressed POC and then the government owes you an iphone. simple as.

like literally even my poorest blackest friend has an iphone 13, he cant afford a fuckin sony a6000 or fuji xt2 but his iphone 13 was basically free from t mobile with 0 hit to his savings and the camera on that thing is boss if you arent a pixel peeper. you dont need more or you're a gearfag.

>>4397700
>not having an iphone is incel autism unless you're a historically oppressed POC and then the government owes you an iphone. simple as.
no minority has ever been oppressed in the history of the USA

>>4397700
>Muh goyslab

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Wish I could afford this lens. It's one of my dream lenses

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>>4397709
... a $300 lens?

>>4397700
>it must specifically be an iphone
>btw if you have any other piece of photographic equipment you're obsessed

>>4397710
I'm not a very wealthy individual

>>4397700
If this isn't satire, then it's a waste of good dubs.

>>4397353

i would like to tell you but i do not know the details in the very beginning of photography many models were afraid that camera would capture their souls, these days aspiring photogs might have things like canon r and chink manual lense that has coatings and stuff that render image so sharp it literally feel pain in model retina