>>4402725 (OP)
Just some schizo foolframers out there that like to act like it's the end of the world for not buying some dslrinosaur from the beginning of this century instead.

>>4402725 (OP)
Most people are retarded. If it works why would you care what they think?

>>4402725 (OP)
That camera is exceedingly ugly looking.

>>4402725 (OP)
Grass is always greener until you try everything you think might be better. My protip would be just to rent nicer gear until you realize what you don't or do need. Or "rent" with buying used + reselling.

>>4402725 (OP)
Yes and yes. Spending the same amount of money on a sensor 1/4 the size of FF is retarded, but buying something cheap and small to fit inside your purse is acceptable so long as you realise your photos are going to look like ass even slightly above base ISO. At the same time, no matter what you buy there is always going to be someone telling you you're a faggot for not buying _____.

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>>4402725 (OP)
>Did I genuinely fuck up buying MFT
Yes.
Sensor size is very important. You are sacrificing a lot of dynamic range, low light performance, creative options re depth of field, and rendering depth ("3D pop") with the right lenses, among other things. All for... a body larger than an X-T5.
I honestly don't know who MFT ILCs are for. Many APS-C cameras that fulfill your requirements are the same size or smaller and some full-frame mirrorless cameras aren't that much bigger either.

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>>4402736
This guy with his xt-5... for that money you could get a used FF with better glass, functional AF, waaaay better dynamic range, and of course no worms :) stupid purchase

>>4402725 (OP)
That one? Yes. Mft is only good as a PNS system or a cope camcorder. The em5ii is heading towards sub-$300. Its good! The om1, om5? FUCK NO. The g9ii and gh7 have video modes in combination with features that dont come on any larger sensors under $5k. Not shooting pro video almost exclusively? Dont be a fucking retard.

Small primes, adapted lens? Hell yes.
Lenses like pana-feica noctitrons, thousand dollar olympus "pro" zooms? Dont be a fucking retard.

The bigger and more expensive it is, the more the actual advantages over larger sensors disappear until you’re left with irrelevant crutches like "now that this camera that is too big for my pocket is a half pound lighter, i can finally take a picture of a bird". With ass image quality.

>>4402747
>om5
Nigga that thing its like 200 bucks

>>4402748
no the new shitty one not the old good one

Curious how the people who say it's bad are nophotos
Truly curious

>>4402747
I got two em5ii's and a mk i, all for under 100 usd and I reckon they're fantastic. Weather sealed, decent IQ, good enough dynamic range. When I'm not shooing stuff that I'd want crazy shallow DOF for they're a great choice. They feel really solidly built too, the mark iii apparently used more plastics.

>>4402753
Its not DOF, its rendering and tonality

>>4402772
huh?

>>4402772
It's not rendering and tonality, it's 3D pop

>>4402773
You’ll understand some day

There’s a reason, equivalence be damned, full frame actually got bigger and now we have DX medium format. Its a lot of tech babble for a subtle and important effect. It’s like comparing MF film to 35mm.

>>4402775
Oh he's retarded

>>4402776
>the entire world has passed mft by despite le equivalence
>could it be i missed something, just like ken rockwell isnt aware his photos look 10x shittier than they should? no everyone else is retarded

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>>4402777

>>4402778
More light is more light.

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>>4402782
Yep, even at the highest ISOs, a larger sensor with more and larger pixels absorbs more information. It's obvious at high ISOs, but at low ISOs that extra accuracy means they capture finer and finer tonal gradations and give the image a subtly better and more realistic look. On zooming in it's minor but it has a global effect on the image that makes it appear like it comes to life even at smaller print sizes and on screen displays.

The GFX100S can go up to ISO 102400, still have a clear image, and need some extra pushing in post past that to look even half as bad as the smaller sensors would at 56,000 btw

>>4402725 (OP)
>reading more about how people hate
so let me get this straight:
you bought a camera, you haven't even taken photos with it and you think it's trash because of random opinions on the internet?

just kys, waste of oxygen

>>4402791
>200mb raw files

What le fug

>>4402734
Wow, snoy full frame faggots carry purses and expect everyone else to carry a purse too
>>4402725 (OP)
>good low light and light astro.
lol what? low light is what MFT is bad at. its fine for base ISO and has issues at higher ISOs, though I guess if its on a tripod more light is more light

>>4402782
>>4402791
samefaggot
>>4402792
its a snoy full frame troll thread. there never was an op. its some snoy or canon cuckboy jerking off his camera and trying to dunk on M43, even though I can fit my pen f in my pocket and no one can tell the difference on social media anyway and I can get small dof with the 75mm anyway. (yes retardo, 150mm f/3.5 gives a shallow Dof, you retards act like full frame shooters don't use 70-200 f/4s or like they shoot the 70-200 f/2.8s wide open all the time
easiest way to make snoy boi seethe is to point out film dunks on his gay digishit

embrace the noise aesthetic

>>4402725 (OP)
Keep the camera and block this website

>>4402796
I own a Sony a7iii and it's not really that much larger with compact lenses...

An a7i or a7ii will also be cheaper than micro four turds

>>4402731
It's the lens, the little 1.8 primes look like a chode on the bigger body. Feels good in the hand, though.

>He's still anally anihilated by the fact that people with "worse" cameras take better photos
Pathetic

>>4402774
it's not 3d pop, it's microdetail

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>>4402811
>look like a chode
>Feels good in the hand

>>4402725 (OP)
You haven't made a mistake.
If you enjoy using it and take good photos with it then it's the right camera.
Don't listen to the gearfag in your head.

>>4402725 (OP)
Only the good low light part makes me think you might be on the wrong system. M43 falls apart in the dark. Other than that that's a nice camera and it has some handy settings for astro too I guess. If it can do everything you want then there's no reason to look elsewhere
>>4402727
This.

>>4402746
Perhaps you should fucking read the OP before spewing irrelevant shit based on me giving a simple example of a camera the size of an EM-1 with larger sensor.

>>4402828
>yap yap yap
Who cares bro

>>4402725 (OP)
>good low light and light astro
Yeah, wrong system. The rest are relatively on point.
Smaller the sensor the worse the iso performance, additionally same size sensor but higher the pixel density the worse iso performance as well.
Om e-m1 mkiii at 3200 iso has as much noise if not worse than a r6mkii at 12,800.

If it works for you and you like it, enjoy it that's all that matters. Start running into light problems? well go low on SS and cope.

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>>4402725 (OP)
yes, you fucked up.

>>4402833
>OM body is significantly lighter and shorter
>OM lens is shorter, wider, and longer than the Nikon

>>4402835
The 40mp+ full frame bodies have more than enough resolution to crop and make up that extra 10mm, and can actually take advantage of it because the larger pixels are less demanding on lens sharpness. An equivalent Sony setup is barely more than 100g heavier, a small price to pay.

>>4402839
>just crop
>100g isn't *that* heavy
Concessions accepted

>>4402843
>just crop
Why wouldn't I? I can set my body to APS-C mode and essentially have a built in 1.5x TC, while still having pretty much the same resolution as that 4/3s body.
>100g isn't *that* heavy
It's really not. My lightest lens is 280g, my next lightest is more than 100g heavier. I don't avoid using any of my other lenses because of the extra weight.

>>4402846
>just crop
if you like cropping so much you should marry a crop system, lol!
>muh 100gs
I guess it's fine if your average photoshoot is around the block shooting rocks and leaves

>>4402835
>>4402843
>can't handle ~120g weight difference for quality and performance benefits
weak

>>4402835
>om body is lighter and about the same size
>om lens is about the same size and 10mm longer than the nikon
there you go.

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>>4402805
>>4402833
100% of snoy users wear purses

>>4402798
you literally can't tell on an image posted to IG or
4chan
>>4402811
kek, unironically one of the reasons I sold the 45mm. Granted I have the 75mm so I don't really need the 45

>>4402852
i wear my z7II / 24-70 under an open coat. when i had a 100v, i wore that on a regular neck strap. sony's a fucking bricc wow wtf

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>>4402747
>The bigger and more expensive it is, the more the actual advantages over larger sensors disappear until you’re left with irrelevant crutches like "now that this camera that is too big for my pocket is a half pound lighter, i can finally take a picture of a bird". With ass image quality.
He called it.

Already, the fool turds are sperging out about a half inch and a few grams. A literally nonexistent unit of weight. What is it this time? 120g?
0.26lb, or, 1/10th of a kilogram.

Who the fuck cares.

>>4402852
Amazing how small sony can get their cameras. There's really no reason to buy a crop sensor besides being a poor wildlife "photographer" with arthritis (the boring kind that does nothing but bokeh birds with the narrowest FOV possible - please stop calling yourselves photographers and start calling yourselves birdwatchers)
>inb4 muh dollers muh GRAMS
Get a job and go to the gym fag

Pic related, it's me waking up knowing micro four thirds is for trannies

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>>4402847
If I want something small and light then I have that option too. I have nothing against smaller sensors when they actually take advantage of that smaller size.

>>4402852
Nah, I just have a camera that's actually pocketable. If I'm taking an interchangeable lens camera with me then it's going to be hanging round my neck so I can actually take photos instead of wasting time squeezing it into and out of a coat pocket. The X100 is actually a good example of a fixed lens camera taking advantage of being such with its smaller size despite the large sensor. I did consider one instead of the RX100 but I wanted more versatility.

>>4402856
>sony's a fucking bricc wow wtf
It's a full frame body with an interchangeable lens, if you expect it to be as slim as an X100 you're dumb. Still, it's much smaller than a Z7.

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>>4402861
>X100
>good example
>trash lens
>trash sensor
lolno

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>>4402847
>if you crop sometimes you need to be cropped all the time!
Lolno.
>100g - a hike ending burden! it'll destroy your back!
I regularly hike with a 15lb rifle. Backcountry. There and back. Not just for miles, but for days, carrying a spare change of clothes, food, tools, a tent, and a sleeping bag.

Maybe try not carrying an extra 200lbs of body weight and you'll feel stronger

>>4402862
still better than micro fool turds desu

>>4402863
do you take photos while larping? have any to share?

>>4402863
gearfag alert
>>4402864
It's worse than mft. Limited by x-tranny AND shit lens design.
The GRiii, now that's a compact fixed lens aps-c camera

All you MFT YouTubers seem like women coping and peddling overpriced shit to tiktokers

I've never seen a biological male use MFT, every serious photog I see in my country is canon or sony FF, the hot art hoes shoot crop fuji.

>>4402869
There's some impoverished bong who shoots mft because a divorce destroyed him financially and psychologically and half his videos are him coping about it in a hysterical and rambling manner
>Yeah you know what i'm having fun this is more fun i dont regret this this is fun this is me having fun yes i am having fun now i don't want full frame at all i don't want a new mirrorless full frame camera at all micro four thirds is fun enough for me yes it is i am telling myself what i truly feel and know, full frame isn't worth it to me this is definitely fun, actually no one at all needs full frame its pointless yes full frame is actually worse *eye twitch*

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>>4402869
do i count as a bio male to you big boy? :3

>>4402870
One day everyone like that is going to be like
>This is the camera that made me like full frame again
Or
>Why medium format is micro four thirds best friend
>(translation: my finances are back in order)

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>>4402869
>I've never seen a biological male use MFT

4 years hrt btw

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>>4402886
>ff sized m43
>flat rendering
>bokeh branch because thats the only time it has bokeh
>bokeh looks like microbes through a middle school microscope
many such cases

the virgin big m43
the chad $100 tiny m43 (terrycam)

>>4402725 (OP)
1. close /p/
2. go outside
3. take photos (you have already done this step, right?)
4. Are you satisfied?
Yes: gear is fine.
No: Why not?
>I want specific feature or strength X and it isn't up to par
Reasonable, maybe you did fuck up (M43 is not the way to go if you want low light performance)
>I'm worried someone on the internet hates it
Fix your gear autism, return to steps 1 through 3

>>4402887
shutter go clicky clacky :3

>>4402886
>using dxo
into the trash you go

>>4402904
no good alternatives from my perspective, rawtherapee and darktable are trashy fossware and lightroom is subscription slop

>>4402908
capture one

>>4402928
he needs ai cope not a program with noise reduction tuned specifically for larger sensors

>>4402928
thanks bestie ill check it out !!!

>>4402939
ai noise reduction looks like shit to me, i like grain sweetie

The more you stay inside and read online bullshit and the less you actually take photos, the more you'll care about gear
Simply going outside more fixes 90% of modern woes

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>>4402960
gearfags are soooo cringe

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>>4402960
Going outside and taking pictures is how I stopped thinking micro four thirds was worth a fuck and now I just see clueless chart fanboys fucking newbies into wasting money on cameras that can't even hold a candle to >>4402963 this masterpiece of japanese engineering from 2005. SO glad I got rid of mine. The colors and microcontrast were never quite right.

The tonality/3dpop memes are real. Look at how real and rich that snapshit landscape looks with just 10mp. It's lovely. No SNR, no FPS, no AI autofocus or pixel shift or IBIS, just pure superior sensor size (DX). Anything is better than micro four thirds.

Nothing DXOmark or p2p or dpreview or petapixel posts or charts or comments on is actually relevant to photography, the things that actually affect rendering on a global level are above those marketing mooks. Did you know photons to photos charts are actually computer generated from a photo of a magenta square, resized to postage stamp size? That's how they think dynamic range is measured. Seriously.

Even the lowly xt3 will take superior photographs to any phone or micro four thirds camera that will come out in the next 20 years.

>>4402981
>even a d200 has better rendering than micro four thirds
the magenta tint haver is correct. 5d classic > all mft.

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>>4402996
so true

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>>4402981
Sure thing mr. cameraconspiracies

>>4402858
snoy tranny once again admits he wears a purse in public like a faggot

>>4402861
I can fit my pen f with the 40 mm in my coat pocket, a cargo short pocket and jeans pocket if I really want. I if I want full frame I have 2 35mm film cameras and a 645 film camera

>>4402863
>I regularly hike with a 15lb rifle.
false, guns are banned in your third world country

>>4402869
thank you for the update on camera fashion in india

>>4402887
>>4402981
people can't tell what system you shot on. normies think camera pics are as good as full frame. my m43 fits in my pocket and if I want bigger for some reason I have film cameras.
>muh dof
I can get that fine with the 75mm f/1.8
>muh f/3.5
cool, so no one has ever taken a photo on a 70-200 f/4? or taken a photo on a 70-200 f/2.8 at anything less than wide open? 150mm dof alone gives you bokeh even with less than amazing f numbers

>>4403131
>people can't tell what system you shot on
This. People take pictures on their phones and think it's just as good a system camera. And you know what? It doesn't matter. If the pictures look good to the viewer, then it's a good picture. Who cares? I don't own one, but I hope MFT sticks around. It's good to have options;

Im currently deciding between a nikon z6 with cheap lenses and an om-1 with mzukio pro lenses as they work out to be the same price where I live

am I going to miss not having full frame in this case?

>>4403131
>no one can tell!
Cope. The system died because no one bought it. No one bought it because everyone could tell.
>>4403132
>WELL THE DUMBEST PEOPLE ON INSTAGRAM CANT TELL
Gigacope. Honestly, phones have better tonality than micro fool turds. Even a 10mp nikon d200 has better tonality than micro fool turds. it is amazing how bad the sensors and lenses are on m43. even if you spend $4k on a g9ii and panusonic-feica "noctitron" (f2.8) it looks worse than the results from a cheap old DSLR likea d750.

>>4403134
>bad autofocus vs bad image quality
Get a canon r8 and some of the RF IS primes

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>>4403130
meow :3

>>4403134
full frame if you only want to image quality maxx, otherwise m43 for superior portability

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>>4403130
estrogen is so yummy c:

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>superior portability!
i cant image being so weak, frail, and small bodied that it's noticeable.

i'm sure it's more noticeable if you use macro lenses or extremely long zooms, but micro four thirds is still "too big" then and there's a massive quality loss when your lenses effective widest aperture is f8-11 in full frame terms, and who really cares if their giant bird watching telescope is 2" longer or not? the disabled?

>>4403140
>>4403142
really feeling the flat rendering meme here. when it's juxtaposed, m43 does look a lot flatter and duller than full frame/aps-c, even compared to one of the worst full frame cameras ever made (a7ii).

>>4403145
Wanna see something really flat?
Your encephalogram

>>4403136
no one can tell between your snoy shit and a cellphone. that's why fuji's film out sells snoy digishit. snoy cameras are so bad people went to phones and film

>>4403140
>>4403142
I can't wait for your balding freaks to get murdered in the street

>>4403145
see >>4402852
snoy troons once again admit to owning purses and being gay retards with bad eyes who can't actually see photos

>4403150
>4403158
>4403166
Lmao look at this seethe

>>4403192
>everyone is laughing at me that means I won
whatever floats your boat champ
I will continue to make you anally anihilated by merely existing

>>4403192
>going out of xis way to delete >s
nah, you seem pretty mad fagito

^the anger of losers

>>4402725 (OP)
>Did I genuinely fuck up buying MFT
stopped reading there. yes, you did. sell/return it and buy something better.

>>4403136
Nobody is coping, I have a Zf, not a four turds, but normalfags don't appreciate the difference between a fool frame and their phone, because they're only viewing images on their phone, anyway.

>>4403222
>normalfags prefer mcdonalds to homemade burgers because they only eat in their car while vaping weed anyways
imagine being such a defeatist

>>4403215
I agree snoy fags are angry losers
>>4403216
stop samefagging you queer.

>>4403231
imagine being such a gay retard you have no photos but need to defend your purse and snoy at all costs because you spent a lot of money on it for something that has no photos when normies don't fucking care

>>4402725 (OP)

No, just have fun.
I have GFX,Snoys and one small Pen camera that is fun to use. Just use it and ignore gear faggotry.

>>4403292
Having fun is gay and cringe, zoomer. We are artists here and we take our work seriously.

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>muh snoy

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>>4403662
Sony is just the most popular FF brand. Majority FF ILC market share. It's inevitable that some weirdo will use one, especially in japan, where the majority of men are either gays or pedos. It's not possible to step on a rock on japan that has not been tread on by someone who wishes he was a girl.

What I want to know is why fuji, a wildly unpopular ILC brand, is so popular with furries?
https://www.reddit.com/user/cuddlypants/submitted/
https://www.instagram.com/reverbthehusky/p/C5hqqlINKuR/?img_index=1
https://www.instagram.com/airlemilinth/p/CgFSgT7JMdk/

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>>4403668
>posts proof furries are also better photographers than most of /p/
furries are more creative than weebs and have superior aesthetic tastes so they prefer gear with sovl.

this here is our own 4x5 dude, the guy with the sinar back

>>4403670
that looks like a Shenhao camera bro

>>4403670
>reverse google
>find his flickr
>gfx100s
fuji dawgs…

>>4403670
You can tell that isn't me because of his flimsy tripod and lack of sinar kit.

>>4403250
huh?

>>4402725 (OP)
Imagine making any decision based on what other "people" think.

>>4402725 (OP)
Stop comparing the one you have to other cameras. The gear you have has 0 effect on how your photos look. Just stop lusting over new gear trust me been there done that now I shoot only film and ricoh GR 3. Only way to lift the curse.

>>4402776
I'm also retarded. But it's not my fault that my mom dropped me on my head 10 times a day as an infant and flooded her body with drugs when I was in her womb. I am getting back at her for it slowly.

>>4404398
I am now lusting for film stocks that I can't justify the price.

FUCK YOU EKTACHROME !

You niggas are making me want to jump ship. $700 for a used Z6/S5 sounds like a great upgrade to my current em1ii

>>4404412
You probably have a better camera in your pocket already.

>>4404412
The autofocus on those is somehow worse than an em1ii

The a7c is $1k on average and a7cii’s have sold for as little as $1100-1500 (based secondipity)

>>4404398
>The gear you have has 0 effect on how your photos look.
It does but if all you do is stand alone with your face scrunched into a camera and post building corners and pedestrians on IG, and call it muh meditative photowalk therapy, things get closer and closer

But if you’re winging it and photographing cool shit and a life well lived, while living that life, all of a sudden gear matters

>>4404412
i´m sorry to hear that. how May we help?

>>4404412
What? That must be $700 USD because there's no way you're getting a used Z6 for $700 CAD unless it has a 120,000 shutter count.

>>4404417
Bad AF ruins otherwise good cameras. Truly a shame. Personally can't imagine having <100% accurate AF in the current year.
>>4404429
are those canadian or american shutters clicks

>>4402725 (OP)
look at it this way:
I have spent two years on this board posting MFT photos with EXIF data manipulated to show a full frame camera, as well as full frame photos with EXIF data manipulated to show an MFT camera.
The reactions are very consistent.
Full frame photo disguised as MFT:
>how does it feel getting mogged by 20 year old full frame cameras?
MFT photo disguised as full frame:
>nothing beats that full frame look.
In essence, /p/ is retarded, and put to the test, none of the niggers posting here could tell full frame from MFT.

>>4404454
>le edited exif
>le 2 yr study
>le 0 proof

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>>4404400
LMAO thats a you problem. My favorites are just Ultramax and whatever is the cheapest (and harman phoenix in hopes of new decent cheap film) :p

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>>4404457
Huskyfag did the same thing.

>>4404463
present 0 proof yeah I know

>>4404466
I think he's gone now, but he literally did it with one of my own pictures he saved, edited the exif and posted one time. Had a lot of people fooled. It was hysterical.

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>>4404461
What a coincidence, my favourite is Ultramax too

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>>4404454
mft keeps on winning

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>>4404469
I don't thinks it's a good idea to treat people's real suffering as a circus show. Your actions of said circus show reflect your sanity. You say autism is bad, but if you're showing psychopathy and sociopathic behavior because of what you do with your camera then Chris Chan is the Catholic Pope compared to you. I understand there are people who like to dabble in risk taking behavior, and that's good that you're willing to take risks, but sometimes you go too far in hurting people. It's sad seeing someone at 2 AM laughing at seeing things get violently hurt. To a police officer it's sad that he has to take you away because apparently you can't keep your feelings in check.

Look I know I'm fucking crazy, but please prove me wrong that me going through say a Guiena Pig Flowers of Flesh and Blood movie with you is entertaining had it been in real life instead of fiction? Please for the love of God have a moral compass.

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>>4404487
She lives! :D

>>4404488
Dang bro we just goofing on the ol' www. I don't think your camera is even mft...

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>>4402736
need me a cute camera girlie

>>4404488
>funny exif swap
>starts ranting about (topic indeterminable)
Meds.

>>4404487
>square ratio
>fucked up nametag
>nonsense snow
Its AI!?

>>4404491
>>4404487
>>4404461
3d pop
If you didnt get quoted
You have flat rendering

>>4404495
>>4404491
The camera should be used as a tool not as a tool to inflict harm onto others. Me, you, and the world should know that. Some threads here on this site concern me.

>>4404510
I’m going to clobber you with a d850

>>4404510
Modern cameras are finely tuned tools of violence.

>>4404457
>>4404463
>>4404466
the funny thing about this whole matter is, I *could* just be lying at this point, but it's very possible that you looked at a "full frame" photo in the past, admiring the bokeh and big sensor look, without realizing it was MFT. similarly, you could have made fun of an "MFT" photo which was actually full frame. the mere possibility is enough to invalidate all your claims of sensor superiority. surely you would recognize a full frame photo, right? oh well...
>>4404469
if someone did this to your photos, it wasn't me. but I agree, it's hysterical. no, I was actually exaggerating. I've only been doing this for about a week. it's still fun, though. there are currently three of my MFT photos with manipulated EXIF data on this board.

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>>4404575
>I've only been doing this for about a week. it's still fun, though.

damn straight

the ones who blather about sensor size elitism the most never have any of their own photos to post too

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>>4404575
You are definitely lying

>>4404627
or maybe he uses nikon lenses, so the flat sterile rendering makes it look like micro four thirds after AI denoising!

>>4404627
how would you know?

>>4404575
I haven't fudged exif, but I have made plenty of unlabeled collages where people couldn't pick out things that were "obvious" in vacuum
Sometimes I did lie about what was used, and of course that changes the reception too
People just see (or don't see) what they want to, 100%

People sure keep talking a lot about MFT on these boards despite a lot of people claiming that it's shit.

>>4404643
It's almost as if they're obsessed with justifying their expensive full frame gear. Maybe it's buyer's regret.

>>4404643
Everyone saying it is shit is truthful and good. They are warning others and trying to save them from getting scammed.

Everyone saying it is good is trying to justify their purchase and cope with getting scammed.

>>4404643
Its all insecure poorfags coping about their trash cameras 24/7
>I SWEAR TO GOD U CANT TELL! ITS JUST AS GOOD NO ITS BETTER!

>>4404637
So what you're saying is, people can't tell a decent micro four thirds photo from a badly shot and poorly edited (/p/) full frame photo, especially when you make collages of 0.2 megapixel images with 60% jpeg quality?

Because that's all exif swapping ever proves. Micro four thirds looks like badly shot full frame. All the time.

Now you will cope, and say "it doesn't matter it doesnt matter the only valid use case is tiny pics on the instagram phone app"... The only people other than me whose opinions affect my photography at all request prints or look at it on screens ranging from 15" MBP to apple studio display. If a 4chan user can not tell poorly shot FF apart from ok m43 at 1mp or 2mp i don't give a shit. I give a shit that I know that in the same situation micro four thirds takes a worse looking photo and to the only people whose opinions matter, not bots on social media, it's clear as day. Are bots your only friends and colleagues?

Get real. It's getting old. You don't understand shit about the world outside your computer at all. Everyone already knows a PHONE can pass for an 5DsR if the photo is shown at the size of a 35mm negative, and yet cameras still sell. Why? Because 1: I know it's not the same in the same situation, even if you can shoot FF at high ISO and compare it to m43 in daylight 2: Real life people, not instagram bots and 4chan retards, can 100% tell because they all get icloud'ed full res photos and view them on macs. Don't forget, when you transfer a photo from your camera to your phone and imessage it, it's going to be HQ and cropped to fill when looked at, not zoomed out to only occupy 1 square inch. Most phones have 4k+ screens. The human eye can discern 600ppi. Deal w/ it.

Are you all android and winshit users? Probably.

>>4404487
Or maybe, we hate to see new people buy twice and cry twice or just quit because this "as good, no, better than full frame" system barely exceeds an iphone 15?

>>4404487
>50R
Nice try huskyfag, I can tell this is 24mp, not a 50mp MF. Looks like Z6II or S5II with a 24mm zoom.

>>4404657
Meant for >>4404653

But yes, the high resolution look is very obvious with animal hair and foliage unless you are using an ancient poorfag 1080p screen, once you see it, you can not un see it. No one is falling for someone naming Z6 files 50R.

>>4404491
Look at how fine and well separated the detail is without having to be sharpened, with a tiny photo that's only a little higher resolution than a laptop monitor

>>4404656
No all that matters is 90x60px photos because bourgeosie consoomers soulless bugmen i hate people with money

>>4404653
I spent about half the cost of a brand new OM-3

>>4404653
The om-3 costs the same as a new gray market a7cii with an ebay warranty

And sony repairs gray market

>>4404664
Right. I spent about $200 for my camera, kit lens, and a 25mm prime.

>foolturds perpetually obsessed with pricetags because they’re poor
$1000 isn’t a lot of money
its just a lot of money to pay for a turd

even elon musk isnt paying $1000 for a turd

>>4404666
Good for you, I could probably get a 5D for just as cheap. My point was my full frame stuff was hardly expensive, much cheaper than some of these dumb fucks spend on 4/3s stuff. I don't need to justify it because I paid less for better performance.

I was considering getting a FF kit after only ever shooting mft but I realized after reading this thread I was being tricked by brandfags on /p/. I'm convinced everyone is clearly biased and probably insecure about their own purchase (or legit just paid by the brand, some people act crazy here). Now I'm planning on getting the Oly 12-100, 90, the 1.4x TC, and the 300/4 and still save money vs the replacement kits I was considering. I don't print large, and when I do print my mft pics look fine. Can someone tell me I'm retarded? Yes I use the weather sealing, the macro magnification, the reach and I appreciate the size difference.

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>>4404766

sounds like a solid plan anon :3

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>>4404656
Why not just show us an example of a good shot, something so good m43 can't achieve? Or even just something that, to you, highlights the benefits of FF?

>>4404766
Share some of your pics.

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>>4404783
>inb4 it's shit because I zoomed in 400% and saw chromatic aberrations or it's soft or it has no 3d pop or something
It won't change anything and I don't care.

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>>4404787

>>4404670
I make 100 dollars a month and most of it goes towards candy, books, movies, energy drinks, and cigarettes. Three out of the five I'm trying to cut down on. I think in a way too using vintage lenses and an old DSLR is perfect for anyone wanting to get their feet wet into the photography realm without spending millions of dollars on film when you can just spend a total of five bucks worth of electricity to power your camera and computer for 10 years. Added everybody should have a chance to be a photographer. My advice is to go on eBay and look for good brands of vintage lenses too.

The real skill though as a photographer is making someone comfortable in front of a camera to be taken. That's step 1. Step 2 is where all the techniques come in. Everyone talks about step 2 but no one talks about step 1 as step 1 let's you do step 3 which is retakes. Gotta have step 1 to do step 3 and maybe even 2.

Photography is all how you capture reality*. Remember that asterisk to not take that word literally.

>>4404766
>its a conspiracy i was tricked
No, you’re schizophrenic.

>>4404785
>>4404786
Looks a bit shit.

>>4404787
Hard to tell how bad the camera is with how bad this shot is. A little bit of bad color science, a little bit of shooting at the wrong time of day, a little bit of bad exposure settings, a little bad editing.

>>4404785
>”zoomed in 400%”
i hope you know a 3000 pixel image doesnt even fill most screens

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NOOOOOO YOU CANT ENJOY USING AN 'INFERIOR' CAMERA STOP LIKING M43!!!!!

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>>4404795
>>4404794
How does this change anything I said here >>4404766
You are just a loser imo

>>4404790
Can you show me pictures you've taken that demonstrate this?

>>4404796
>severe diffraction at f/11

Nice.

>>4404794
>its a conspiracy i was tricked
It's not a conspiracy that gearfags are insecure, it's a fact.

>>4404798
I'm going to show you my YouTube channel and click on any of the commercials on there and you'd see that my clients are comfortable being filmed. Comfortable people filmed = chance of a film being made. That's step 1, step 2 is the filming of it, step 3 is if you can do a retake. Unfortunately I was short on time so I couldn't do a retake. Though for the love of God please do not harass the businesses or people in my commercials.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCS9U5Rzpc4_aPvXuX0fi2Lg

THIS IS FOR DEMONSTRATION PURPOSES

I screwed up on step 2 as most of my shots are trash but step 1 I got.

>>4404803
I thought you couldn't afford film.

>>4404811
... Its.. Okay... video and digital photography...

Go be a lawyer for a Karen.

>>4404800
>Be "the micro four thirds community"
>Always start fights claiming micro fool turds is as good as full frame, better than full frame, etc
>Make stupid claims like "if u really cared u'd shoot medium format film" (worse than a $700 canon DSLR)
>Make false claims ie: fuji/sony has no weather sealing, le green skin, not an option
>Post bullshit cope like "if it doesnt matter to a teenager looking at insta on her phone it doesnt matter"
>Even on mu-43, unable to shut up with claims that full frame is dated/dead/dying/going to die/pointless/worse and they spend more time nitpicking FF and obsessing over "equivalence" (which doesn't really matter, or even work most of the time) than they do taking photos
>Get proven wrong
>Schiz out in return
>Get proven wrong with meaner words
>FUCKING INSECURE GEARFAGS!
I don't think full frame people even start sensor size generals or threads asking if FF is good enough... someone here is insecure, the other party is being put on the defensive by a bunch of shills trying to fuck the clueless into buying junk.

Micro four thirds was "ok" once. Back when your only better option was a DSLR, or an older fuji with even worse autofocus. Not anymore.

These days, it's basically a cult. Most people who actually use it seem to be senior citizens who can actually feel a 50g difference and europoors who don't get to have affordable FF mirrorless like americans and therefore still live in the "your other option is a DSLR" era.

>>4404813
loser behavior

>>4404814
What's most telling here is how micro four thirds "proponents" (imagine having to proactively be a proponent for a sensor size!) always resort to childish nonsense, chanting "snoy", repeating their dumb falsehoods, babbling about purses, and just calling people losers. They're always quick to act like a six year old.

On top of doing dumb shit like making a general for their sensor size and making multiple threads to talk about sensor size... everyone else ends up on the defensive, they're like flat earthers and antisemites - rapid fire lies, name calling, and nonsensical accusations.

I don't care if you use a shitty camera, you're probably european so a shitty a7iii or z6 is $1500 to you and even more expensive relative to your heavily taxed income. Just stop being so insecure about it, and try not to recommend it as if it isn't cheap junk or "doesnt matter" for 99% of applications and first world users, because we all know that's false. You don't get cheaper gear that's as good. Even the old FF DSLR fags are making sacrifices and you can see them in their photos.

>>4404818
If typing all this insane shit in every thread isn't loser behavior idk what is. Get well soon anon.

>>4404818
>>4404813
Preach, queen.

>>4404820
You're acting like a child again. Can you say something for yourself? No. Apparently not.

>>4404785
>>4404787
And you can't even figure out "auto levels" in lightroom.

>>4404818
these rants are worse than the m43 cult

>>4404825
I use darktable poorly, thank you very much. I couldn't get anything right out of lightroom desu

>>4404825
foolframer
*collects 2+ stops of light more in mft equivalence*

>>4404766
>Oly 12-100
>Can someone tell me I'm retarded?
no. oly 12-100 is based and makes the whole system worth it.

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>f7-12.6
imagine the diffraction smearing
2 far lefts: 1135 and 1029 grams
middle left: 818 grams
middle right: 953 grams
far right: 1113 grams

>>4404832
equivalence only works for pixel peeping noise and postage stamp sized pics, everything in between looks different because you used different cameras

>>4404846
Aren't colors generally a lot nicer with higher MP, and larger pixel pitch.

>>4404851
Yes

>>4404818
I’m shitting on mft a lot itt, but when foolturds arent being uppity i recommend it to poor/careless people. It is 100% garbage and impossible to seriously justify over aps-c for someone taking this even a little seriously because it looks almost as bad as good phone pics, but for poor people on cheap phones who cant carry a FF DSLR, a $250 olympus is still better than 1”.

>>4404846
>imagine the diffraction smearing
are you actually stupid enough to think a mft lens at f/8 diffracts like a ff lens at f/16 lmfao

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>>4404871
Oh shit a real dunning kruger

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>>4404875
In either case the circle or confusion is 86% the size of the airy disc at f16 DOF

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>>4404875
>>4404877
That's completely different. My claim is that f/8 is f/8 regardless of the sensor for diffraction. Your claim is that 20mp on MFT has visible diffraction while 20mp on FF does not. MFT bodies are more pixel dense than FF but not by that much, as FF bodies are regularly 40+MP.

>>4404886
(sorry not 20, *16, same idea though)

>>4404886
All 20mp cameras diffract identically at identical FOVs and DOFs regardless of sensor size.

>>4404886
40mp doesnt become worse than 20mp by diffracting earlier because you can downsample to 20mp to cancel it out (or leave it and print denser for the tonality). How do you think super small apertures on 4x5 still work fine?

>>4404888
Cameras don't defract, lenses do.

>>4404889
They have the same problem if blown up by the same factor. Just don't print MFT big, which should be obvious to anyone.

>>4404892
But you still have the same diffraction, there’s no advantage. There’s a huge disadvantage to lenses that diffract wide open or stopped down once.

>>4404893
f/8 is f/8. Your problem is trying to print a small format big. You'd run into the same issue if used a 35mm sensor for a print better suited for larger formats.

>>4404894
No you fucking retard

Megapixels = image size
A smaller sensor has smaller pixels and diffracts at wider apertures, so f8 on micro four thirds is the same as f16 on full frame period, except normally being stopped down less due to the lenses all being so slow

To make what you’re saying true, the micro four thirds shooter using f8 would need his pixels to be four times larger. 1/4 the resolution regardless. But actually, trying to avoid diffraction by lowering sensor resolution looks WORSE because bayer adds its own blur on top of that. More pixels smaller bayer issues.

>>4404897
Translation for tards:
Although a 45mp camera is diffraction limited at f5.6 it would still have better quality at f16 than a 20mp micro four turd would at f8. Even at “equivalent” ISOs, colors would be better, details would look less digital, and there would be more editing latitude due to the higher sampling rate and larger pixel wells.

Micro four thirds has no DOF advantage over any larger camera. Its the same as any sensor of any size with the same resolution, but gathering 1/4 the light.

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>>4404893
I don't think you understand the fundementals of the argument you're trying to make. A phone with an 1/2.3" sensor diffracts at like f/2
>>4404897
>Megapixels = image size
>A smaller sensor has smaller pixels and diffracts at wider apertures, so f8 on micro four thirds is the same as f16 on full frame period, except normally being stopped down less due to the lenses all being so slow
This. This is the undeniable, infalliable truth.

Every argument for M43 falls apart here.

>>4404904
Not every
>being too poor for a better camera

>>4404904
>This is the undeniable, infalliable truth.
That's funny how all my mft lenses are sharpest at f/8- as seen by my eye and instrumented testing data available online. Guess you're just an armchair theorist in the end...

>>4404948
>it-it-it totally happened once, I swear...

>>4404897
>Megapixels = image size
False

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>>4404948
Except a 20MP M43 sensor encounters diffraction at like f/5, so your lens is soft from shooting "wide open" (at f4.5 or w/e), doesn't get "sharp" until f/8, but diffraction started several stops ago; you're just finding the *least* soft point.

The vast majority of lenses made for every system ever are sharpest at f/5.6 or f/8, but your small manlet sensor has to fight the physics of light at a lower f/stop than an adult camera.

If what you all are talking about is such a big deal why not just post actual photo examples that demonstrate the point?

>>4404995
Whenever M43 posters show their own photos here, at least 90% them tend to be boring and ugly snapshits, so they now resort to just angrily shitposting.

>>4404997
So why don't the FF show off their superior photo capabilities? Would make the comparison that much better.

>>4404997
there's like 20 m43 shots in this thread alone compared to 0 full frame shots

>>4404909
m43 is definitely peak for poorfag photography, i scooped up a lumix 12-35mm f/2.8 and oly 75-300mm in december for $200 each. ff equivalents for my basedny would have been in the $1k+ range, more than i've spent on photo gear in total for my m43 kit

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>>4405001
how can mfturds even compare to the raw power of FULL FRAME????

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noooooooo you cant just use mfturds and get more depth of field you need to BUY FULL FRAME!!!!!!!!!11!

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