*drops mic and walks away*
>>476776011This is only feasible in a country without niggers, kikes, and other assorted browns
>>476776011judeo amerimutts shouldnt be allowed to sell things they dont ownjudeo amerimutts shouldnt be allowed to lend things rather than selling them at all
>>476776011Boomers had that. Minimum wage was worth around $24 an hour in today's $. Housing was no problem, teenagers with brand new V8 muscle cars.
>>476776011Human culture cannot exist without an underclass. Slaves by any other name are necessary to the systems survival. The middle class was a mistake and has lead to the very consumerism that's doomed our planets ecology.
Most people here are good goy wagie slaves
Making good pay but it's contractor work so it's not all the time, too much competition.
>>476776011Retarded take.
>>476776114If we actually arrested people who failed to pay a minimum wage to any person even a foreign born neo-slave and did not permit worldwide capital to flee the United States this would work.
>>476776011>POL DISAPGERESthe issue is you keep importing nonwhites to keep wages low which is why you cant have a living wage.
>>476776011/pol/ likes to slave away while pretending it's better than niggers. /pol/ has gone full spic...
>>476776011Well that's because /pol/ is full of retards who think they're smart. They don't want the best their common man. They're just afraid of brown people and want them gone.
>>476776011Be the change you want to see. Be the one who hires those workers and give them a living wage high enough so they can afford all those things.
>>476778539isnt it weird how theres no legal penalty for being illegal in the country, or hiring illegals. yet the government pretends its some complex issue that requires compromise? fine employeers, arrest illegal immigrants. Thats literally what every other country on the planet does.Go be an illegal in south korea. know what happens? 1-5 years prison and a 15-20,000$ fine. Nobody would try to steal your mcgoyslop job if that was hovering over their heads.
>>476776011>"I DESERVE TO BE RICH WORKING TEENAGERS FIRST MCJOB!"Lmao.
>>476776011I disagree with communism
>>476778539The latter two would make the first one unnecessary because it would become impossible for anyone to do.
>>476777214>$24That's the low-end estimate. Numbers before cooflation put the high end estimate over $100/hr.
what about part time jobs?
>>476776011>we want a living wage>and affordable rent>and millions of new immigrantslulz
>>476778823There are penalties because it is against the law to be here illegally and to knowingly (including through negligence) hire illegals. But the laws simply aren't enforced. We don't need more laws, we need existing laws to be enforced.
>>476778876A summer at McDo was enough for boomers to pay for college/a car back in the day. To ask the question another way, if a job doesn't pay enough to let you afford anything, why should it be worked?
>>476776011I agree with this, but only with essential jobs like trades, construction, medicine or engineering. Being a cashier or a fast food employee is only supposed to be a temporal job.
>>476779299And today we suffer the consequences of such a system. It's unsustainable.
>>476779299Fuck off and die you scumfuck nigger.
>>476776011Usually these things self-adjust because what cant continue wont continue.Low wages can destroy a worker, sure but if the bosses can hire an immigrant and theres no end to these, it doesnt matter. You dont have to invest in a new generation.Something like that happened in Haiti, where slaves were worked to death in about 4 years, they just imported more, no one cared about raising some niglet for 15 years until he could do his 4 years of death labor
>>476778973There's no way minimum wage was $100, that's a lie to discredit people who are noticing how much better the boomers had it. Boomer's ego is highly invested in having "worked hard" to earn it rather than having to admit they gutted the country for their own short term benefit.
I'm sure OP will be back any minute now to e-argue with us in good faith.
>>476776011Wage slavery based society is fundamentally unjust and needs to be gotten rid of. Trying to force living wages is not workable, housing is too expensive, most people are not capable enough to be worth a living wage.We need universal basic income funded by land value tax. Every citizen has equal claim to land. Homesteading should be a fundamental right. Participating in wage based society should be voluntary. And access to basic accommodation should be a right, which wage slavery should not be needed to pay for.
>>476779515>reeee, people who work should get nothing so the money I get for sitting on my ass shitting myself can buy moreHopefully you get a heart attack soon.
>>476780427>housing is too expensive,It takes 40.000 hours of labor to buy a house with a mortgage, 20.000 if paying upfront in cashIt takes 3.000 hours of labor to both build a house and manufacture the materials
>>476780658i used units of man-hour rather than money to keep it physical. You basically work 40.000 hours to afford a product that took 3000 hours to make.
That's only possible with strong borders and strong immigration policy. We would have to deport tens of millions of parasites now.
>>476779696Run the best vs worst case numbers yourself from the early 70s forward. Remember it's CAGR, not simple percentages. 7% CAGR constantly compounded has a half (or double) life of a decade.
>>476776011but you don't do that by raising wages. You get costs down.
>>476781037>We would have to deport tens of millions of parasites now.Foreign slaves are not parasites, try to get your slurs to make sense
>>476776011>/pol/ disagreeHow so? It's literally Third Reich policy.
>>476781683>You get costs down.Likely the cost of housing, which is controlled by the government through housing permits.A typical american home costs 40.000 man-hours and takes 3.000 man hours to make, including making the materials
>>476776011That is already the case. How are jobs that you can't live off supposed to work?
>>476776011>pay>wage>afford>saveendthefed
>>476776011This is what I need to live. You don’t know my needs, I know my needs. Now pay up, McDonalds!
>>476782427>How are jobs that you can't live off supposed to work?Theres jobs were you can live but not fulfill a /pol/ approved life cycle, which has to involve preservation of culture and reproduction. The cost for bare personal survival is much lower, so in this context "living wage" means more than what is required to survive. Bad naming
>>476778876Except that's not what's being said here at all... Dipshit
>>476776011No, your job is gay and you’re a fag, nigger
>>476776011Jobs that can be performed efficiently by a sub-midwit teenager with about 5 minutes of training don’t deserve a “living wage”.They’re starter jobs, not a career path. Fuck off if you believe that flipping burgers, waiting tables, or washing dishes is a job worthy of a “heckin’ living wagearino”. Do better nigger.
>>476783581Why do people keep saying this shit?Why is the attitude that "you're just starting out, therefore you don't need enough money to he able to pay rent". Don't you think that such a retarded economic policy would lend itself to people not being able to "start out"?So fucking stupid.
>>476783581>people don't deserve decent pay for working>I deserve social security and a bazillion gibs for existing, also stop construction so I can price gouge on the house I bought when it was cheapGas the boomers. 90% of """"skilled"""" boomer jobs could be done by a midwit teenager.
>>476779696In 1971, the minimum wage was $1.60 and one ounce of gold is $40.80.That's 0.0392156862745098 ounces of gold for one hour of minimum wage work.If you jumped forward to today, you'd sell that same amount of gold for $87.36.Welcome to reality.
>>476783581No job deserved X wage. Theres no logical connection.You do a job and you get paid an unrelated amount of money. Theres no physical-mathematical relationship between the payment and the labor.
>>476776011> 1pbid> Canadian flag> subversive postEvery fucking time
>>476776011That is only possible if people don't receive welfare for doing nothing. Which is it commie, workers get a living wage or useless people get a mansion?
>>476776011all jobs pay a living wage. even slaves were paid a living wage.
No, you can have roommates to save money, like literally everyone else in older generations. I had roommates until I was 27. And if you really believe otherwise, then start your own company where you pay your workers enough to live like this, and see how long you stay in business. Dumbass.
>>476785348Okay come paint fence for the salary of 1 cent per century
>>476776011I run an auto repair shop. Oil changes are now $300. If you don't like it, I'll explain that me and my employees have a right to a living wage.Try outsourcing your car repairs to China.
>>476785563good luck finding someone to do that job
>>476785415>then start your own company where you pay your workers enough to live like this, and see how long you stay in business.You do know that there are jobs out there that do pay living wages, right? You're making it sound like it's somehow not economically viable to pay people reasonably but literally tons of corpos do it.
>>476784826M1 & M2 also follow the same 7% CAGR, as well as housing and other life necessities. 7% inflation implies a wealth half-life of a decade on your money.
>>476785101Not really, everyone could be living in a mansion doing very little labor but governments limit the housing supply through permits. Likely out of a desire to not see humans spread out and get stronger, like a cancer
>>476785782That's not the point, you literally said "all jobs pay a living wage"
>>476776011>mic droplmao. norway doesnt have a minimum wage, wrap that around your plastic infested braindead head
>>476777214Median wage was $15. Houses were affordable because of lax regulations and cheap labor. The only kid driving a new car was the one that took his dad's without asking.
>>476785907yours isnt a job, its an offer. a job is what happens when someone accepts your offer.
>>476785709>I'll explain that me and my employees have a right to a living wage.Cool so you are going to post your financial records too or people should just believe you? If you cant, then dont bring that up
>>476786069>and cheap labor.Labor is cheap today. Cheaper than before, particularly in construction which is done by immigrants. Real reason is just the cost of land and building permits on said land, which could drop A LOT if the govt just issued permits
>>476776011You better stop immigration then.
>>476785904> Likely out of a desire to not see humans spread out and get stronger, like a cancerhuh
>>476786132Retarded and pedantic. I just got a friend to agree my job so now it's a "real job". There.
>>476776011"a fun vacation"nigga i don't OWE YOU SHIT
>>476776011no retard, governments should provide UBI for everyone. the AGI is comingthe robots are comingwe will become irrelevant
>>476785709I take my car to a repair shop for oil changes and pay about $75, and that's for synthetic oil. You can't compete.>>476785784>literally tons of corpos do itThey won't for long.
>>476787353UBI will make you naive so you will get mopped up in a generation
>>476787353>governments should provide UBIYou mean like our hideously bankrupt government, which already pays 75% of tax receipts toward interest on the national debt? You're not even a child...you're simply living in a fantasy world.
>>476787191how is he going to sustain himself while he works on the fence and where is he sleeping tonight?
>>476785941No, you have a bunch of minimum wages based on job field.And a ton of unions. Don't try to imprint a few elements of your custom made system that has 5 million people and tons of natural resources.>>476786069>Houses were affordable because of lax regulations and cheap laborLabor is cheaper now, and more efficient.It's the regulations and zoning laws pushed through by boomers because "muh real estate equity" that make housing ridiculous.It really is housing that is murdering pocketbooks, although there's no reason that jobs can't pay better and give better conditions.But aside from that, the biggest difference is the gender gap.Men get shittier jobs that pay less. Meanwhile women get well paid useless jobs that men indirectly have to pay for.So expectations go up for women, meanwhile men get less and less.But bride price is a lot less comfortable to talk about than housing prices.Housing costs a lot less with 2 people and women right now have the highest price with the lowest value in human history.
>>476786339About 20 years ago we had the lefties take over the city. One thing they did was jack up development fees in the name of reducing urban sprawl. Around here it's something like $80K per house before you put a shovel in the ground. So now the developers will buy three to ten houses to tear down and put up apartments.>cheap laborThere was a lot more Mexicans in construction before the INS started chasing them off. Forget using college summer jobs, kids won't do that anymore. So now it's all licensed union labor.
>>476787617you don't know who the fuck you're talking to anon I'm sitting on a double a double digit Bitcoin stack, fool.I advocate for UBI for the wagie plebs who will become dangerous soon as it all comes tumbling down.
>>476787490I SAID I HAVE A RIGHT TO A LIVING WAGE. DON'T OPPRESS ME!
>>476787490>They won't for long.There really isnt a bottomless race to the bottom like you imagine because theres many regulatory feedback loops. For instance, the working population is aging and the replacement generation is not numerous, this happens in east asia too, really everywhere except africa, israel, the arab world, India, afghanistan and kazakhstan. Latin americans are also not having many kids. This will push up pressures to pay more.Until the worker shortage manifests the population will still be treated as disposable
>>476787956>One thing they did was jack up development fees in the name of reducing urban sprawl.Just like i said, reduce the population, dont let humans spread out like a cancer
>>476787617>which already pays 75% of tax receipts toward interest on the national debt?To who? It's corrupt American banking firms who own all that debt. Also it's 10%.Iceland had it worse, told the creditors to fuck off, and they're doing fine.But he's banking on AGI, which is a "we'll see" kind of deal.
>>476788056How much is your Bitcoin worth if the electricity goes out?
>>476788070Reality oppresses you. You have the right to curl up and die and be forgotten, and that's IT.
>>476788601why would electricity go off? In your demented scenarios you might as well just get mauled by pitbulls
>>476788601that's when I live off the gold and silver I buried in National Forest, duh. > Tin (cans), Silver (coins), Lead (bullets)that's just prepping 101 homie
>>476776011I would be in favor of this if women weren't allowed to hold a job
>>476788831>You have the right to curl up and die and be forgotten, and that's IT.Thats not a right. Rights are codified in national law and international law, which is also national law when ratified by a government. Say, human rights for instance, i think these are legal rights almost everywhere
>>476785709>cost of synthetic oil 50$>cost of labor for 1/2 hour 8$>purchase price 100$Now with improved wage>cost of synthetic oil 50$>cost of labor for 1/2 hour 12$>sorry bro, that's gonna have to cost 300$ because I have to pay my employees ya know, ithey're so greedy and entitled, reeeeee
>>476788580No, 10% is the taxes paid as a percentage of GDP.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/10/20/interest-debt-payment-treasury/
>>476776011A job is only worth what someone will accept to do it.
>>476776011Why do teenagers with a summer job need a living wage?
>>476789066By your logic, the government can pass a law forbidding the river to rise above its banks and flood the town. Nature doesn't give two shits about your "rights".
>>476788938Better hope no one saw you leaving your stash, then proceeded to dig it up and abscond with it. You sound like someone who took the Turner Diaries seriously.
>>476788897>hurr durr why would civilization collapseYou're not much of a prepper, are you.
>>476776011>and two cars, and a summer home, and a helicopter, and a set of Louis Vouitton handbags for the wifefucking commies
>>476789437From your source it would have been 10% in 2022, around 15% in 2023.But it just needs to default. That much can't be paid off, and fuck those bankjews for lending to so the government can overbloat.
>>476779696People are mixing up buying power and compensation.Boomers might have, in their teenage years been paid in silver quarters. Imagine that.
>>476790329>hurr durr just default on the debtThen America will end up like Weimar Germany, or Venezuela. No big deal, you say?
>>476776011define "job" ... sorry pressing buttons on a ipad isnt one.
>>476788601i have a power bank that has a hand crank to charge it. only takes 3 hours of cranking to get it fully charged.
>>476790744>Weimar GermanyWasn't allowed to default because the jews and angloids wanted to continue extorting them.>VenezuelaWas fucked up long before defaulting.Would have been better off if they did it early.Also they are massively sanctioned by the US.But why not talk about Iceland? They did exactly what's being talked about and they're doing great.Almost like the international banking syndicate isn't your friend.
>>476776011their idea of a 'living wage' is insane. plenty of american "poor people" are obese like kings of old, and living far outside their means.
>>476787720I hope he doesn't skip out on answering your question. It will make him look bad.
>>476791425And that's going to power all the miners on the Internet you need to rely on to sell your Bitcoin? Just give it up already, you delusional ass.
>>476787353UBI doesn't work. Half of my country is on UBI. Do you think they're all poets and scientists and good citizens? Or do you think they're all savages living in their own trash, stealing, killing people and consuming crack?
>>476791591Their currency still crashed to nothing. Which is what would happen to the dollar if we defaulted on our debt. You come across as someone that only reads books & has no real-world experience.
>>47679215030% of bitcoin mining is done with power from dams in kazakhstan and china, they will be running as long as the hardware lasts
>>476792320How would the dollar crash when it is still the default currency for trade in the western hemisphere and most of the eastern hemisphere?That's why the US can print infinite money and they don't care about inflation, the dollar has infinite demand and a currency with infinite demand will never crash.
>>476787798either way the minimum wage shouldnt exist and neither should those unions
>>476792276>Do you think they're all poetsgood idea, they should make you submit a poem to receive payout. it will be graded by AI and if you arnt improving then you lose benefits.
>>476792540And the computers powered by them. And all it takes to ruin both is a Carrington Event. Your feet stand not on solid ground.
>>476792990They'll just use AI to generate poems. It's a really good thing you're not in charge of anything larger than your room in your mom's house.
>>476792276I think people are animals and we're all doomed. UBI is as good as it gets desu
>>476792631Oh, I think Americans care very much about inflation. And if you haven't heard, Saudi Arabia is no longer supporting the petrodollar. The idea that the dollar is the world's reserve currency is very much in the past.
>>476793358ill just have an AI check their mandated body cam and see that they have written it themselves
>>476776011>we need affordable housing, healthcare, tuition >we also need unlimited immigration forever libtards
>>476776011So a janitor should make as much as an engineer huh?
>>476793720Yup the dumb fucks don't realize they're simply useful idiots for the ruling class. Mass immigration brings down everyone's quality of life.
>>476784011If you’re an adult trying to develop a career path doing the job that requires a skill set that can be mastered by a teenager, that sort of work should not merit you earning a wage that will allow you to live comfortably. Do better.
>>476790081those who saw have already been dealt withI'm in it to win itsurvival is my only objective
>>476776011Every single job in the US does pay a living wage, just ask the millions of people coming here from all over the world.You may not live as well as you did with your parents, but why should you by default?Also, dropping a microphone is nigger-tier behavior that proves nothing (except that you're a nigger, spiritually if not literally).
>>476793598It always comes down to totalitarianism with people like you, doesn't it. Better hope there's not a solar flare.
>>476793937>hurr durr I see everyoneGood luck with that, phony.
>>476788601I agree with your overall viewpoint, but I have to ask, how much is your bank account worth if the power goes out?Yet even the most ardent anti-bitcoin people don't suggest that, unless they're also hardcore goldbugs (which is a fair assessment for their P.O.V.)
>>476776011yes but this guy is right>>476776114Every man working a full time job should be able to afford a house, a car, and a family. We cannot have this because of women in the work place and mass immigration lowering the value of labor beyond what is reasonable.A kid should be able to work part time and make decent money, because a full time worker working that same job would be able to afford a house and a car and a family.We have permitted by inflation and fraud, the theft of peoples savings from their bank accounts (essentially jewish coin clipping by modern means) and allowed many corporations to have extreme profits while their employees are on foodstamps or other public benefits (looking at you walmart).We must manage our businesses better, rather than letting them mismanage our lives and economies. There is no reason any corporation has a right to exist and operate in this country if it is not willing to pay its workers a respectable wage. We need a movement to start whipping and beating the officers and executives of the federal reserve and other major banking and corporate or industrial powerhouses whenever they dare to show their face in public. Until every working man is being paid a mans wage, the thief's should live in fear of the long overdue proverbial pound of flesh being taken from their literal flesh. Civilization is a social contract, and those who break it deserve to see savage apes again.
>>476792864>have good wages and one of the best functioning countries in the world>uhh, we're doing it wrong, workers rights are ackshully bad and we should be more like MississippiOkay Anders>>476793765Yes, that's exactly what it said. You are clearly a high iq person to have such knowledge of reading.
>>476784940100% agree, but the crowd that whines and cries about “muh living wage” are always low-earners with no drive or aspirations to do, or be better., and arguing that point will be completely lost on them. However, if society is going to provide any sort of guarantee for the lowest common denominator among us, those who aim for the bottom should only ever be “entitled” to receive scraps.
>>476794326As I made it clear above, I'm not trying to survive by any means necessary. If the shit hits the fan hard enough, the living will envy the dead. My only realistic hope is to see the lazy moron parasite majority die before I do. The only ones that'll survive longer than that are prepper communities like Mormons or whatever.
>>476776011You don't understand.Americans are Capitalists.That means workers should get just enough to survive and the ruling class should get the rest.
>>476794183UBI doesnt work without totalitarianism.Id rather live under an AI overlord than the jewish egregor that enslaves us now.
>>476776011>deadbeats who are unable to get a job past that of a high schooler demand to be paid the same as people who tried
>>476794682>shouldThe world "should" is only for use by children, because no grownup has any legitimate reason to declare that reality ought to be one way or another, without going through all the hard work it takes to change the world. Any "adult" using the word "should" is an adult-size child.
>>476776011He'll be surprised how little these jobs are worth. And soon even less.
>>476794687You are clearly a fucking idiot who doesn't understand the meaning of language. Sure is funny that the dumbest people understand opposing arguments the least.You also want unlimited illegal immigration, which brings down the cost of labor. You are too simple brained to understand labor is a commodity and subject to the laws of supply and demand.Never reproduce and kill yourself now. Make the world a better place.
>>476795112Guess the ruling class should cull the redundant population then.
>>476776011Cry more, OP. You're a child who doesn't understand the game. The things you want can only happen by taking from everyone but the corporations who put us in this position. Instead of mic dropping like a faggot, try learning what you're up against and whose goals you're actually working toward (they aren't yours).
>>476794843>hurr durr one totalitarian overlord is better than another one>also, muh antisemitismYou continue to humiliate yourself with your feeble attempts at public discourse.
>>476795083>you shouldnt use should
>>476776011>muh BOOMERS COULD AFFORD A MANSION AND 7 KIDS ON MINIMUM WAGE copeYeah, shits gotten worse, but it was never THAT easy.
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>>476794843>UBI doesnt work without totalitarianismAckshully it works fine without totalitarianism.It's quite simple to dithy out a certain sum to everyone, assuming you have the money.It's much less totalitarian in fact than our bureaucratic and selective welfare and spending system we have today.It's just not feasible because it's simply too expensive. Resources are limited.>>476795083Retard take.Should is a promotion of values. Without values there is no reason to change the world.If you think it can't be done then argue that, if you think it shouldn't be done, then argue that.
>>476776011Ain't gonna happen when communists and other numbnuts are running the country into the ground.
>>476795398I only referred to the word "should", I didn't use it. Doesn't surprise me that the difference escapes your feeble excuse for an intellect.
>>476776011Is onlyfans a job? Can I be a fat diabetic ugho retard and get paid to sit at home checking my gag reflex on horse dildos? What guaranteed wage should I be given for this valuable skill?
>>476778658Yeah, I'm a Scottish Spic.
>>476795559"Should" almost invariably implies that someone else has to do all the hard work, and the sheep bleating "should" is entitled to sit on his dead ass and do nothing. The word "should" is the intellectual tooth fairy, much like the world "fair".
>>476778658Most of them are begging to be ruling class slaves.They must be shills.Surely no one could be this retarded.
>>476795236>You also want unlimited illegal immigration, which brings down the cost of labor. I want as close to 0 immigration as possible for this exact reason among others.But that's not currently happening, so you have to deal with what you can get. Better labor protections don't hurt.>You are too simple brained to understand labor is a commodity and subject to the laws of supply and demand.Your comment implied that a janitor making a decent wage means an engineer can't make more. That's dumb.
>>476776011If I provide $10/hr worth of economic output, that is the absolute maximum I should be paid. Less in reality, because an employer has overhead costs on top of that. Rent/mortgage, property taxes, electricity, equipment, insurance etc...Pay your employees more than they produce in economic output and you'll go out of business, and then their wages will be exactly $0/hr.
>>476776011/pol/ is the ONLY platform fighting for that
>be lazy niggerLive in and work to death in lithium mines. Free healthcare. Free Job training to gtfo of mines.>work in fast food/ retailget free cuckshed in nigger nogo zones and healthcare and free job training>work in blue collar jobget free 4br house with garage, small yard or farm, free healthcare, free job training>work as doctorget free 4bdr house on 10acre plot, free healthcare, free job trainingI don't see a problem with that.To each his value to The Nation.
>>476795805>I should have the right to bear arms>I should have the right to free speechThat "should" was about the people doing the hard work getting compensated for it.Which should happen, the money exists and can be paid out.Therefore rules should be changed to make that more likely to happen.How do you get rules changed? A good start is by talking about and complaining about the current rules, and getting other people to oppose them as well.
>>476776011>Inflation rises >Cost of living goes up.>Interest rates FINNALY get raised to fight insane inflation. >Cost of houses goes way up>Consumers have less money>Less customers and fewer purchases for small profit margin businesses.>Somehow expect businesses with said small profit margin to pay "living wage" to employees which rises every few months.N-no I-IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS WAY! NOOOOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOO! I DON'T LIKE IT THIS WAY! I DON'T LIVE IN REALITY! FUCK ECONOMICS! THIS IS A MORAL ISSUE! EVERYTHING IS ABOUT HOW I FEEL! I FEEEEEEL LIKE I SHOULD BE PAID A "ever increasing, arbitrarily determined wage" FOR WALKING DOGS! AHHHHHHHHHH! AHHHHHHHHHH! HELP! HELP GOVERNMENT HELP! MAKE THEM PAY ME MORE! AHHHHHHHH
>>476776011Pajeet scum.>1pbtid"living wage"; LMAO>SPICE
>>476776011>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO WORK AT LEAST 3 JOBS AND SHOW THAT YOU ARE A REAL MAN>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE UBI BECAUSE ITS COMMUNISM>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DENY BIG CORPORATIONS THEIR END-OF-YEAR BONUSES BECAUSE ITS BASED AND CAPITALISM>NOOOOO SHRINKFLATION IS A LIE YOU ARE JUST A LAZY FAT FUCK THAT DOESN'T WANT TO WORK THE WEEKENDS LIKE YOU SHOULD>NOOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE VACATIONS, THE BOSS NEEDS YOU TO COME IN ON SUNDAY BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO WORK ANYMORE>NOOO YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO BE RESPECTED AT WORK BECAUSE ITS BASED TO BULLY EMPLOYEES AND SHOWS WHOS BOSSChuds BTFOed
>>476776011It would still be livable wages if the government wasn't inflating the fuck out of our currency.
>>476776011This doesn’t make any sense. Let me tell y’all what it should really be. All jobs should be task based pay. Based on how hard each task is you get paid a flat amount for completing it. Then the incentive is to do good work quickly. Lazy people will be paid accordingly but not chastised for completing less work. Everybody gets what they deserve.
>>476794843What do you think this ai overlord is going to be?>>476776011I think we should creat an economic system that allows this to happen 'naturally' and not the heavy expansive hand of the government in everyone's business. Decreased immigration, decreased h1b1s and increased tariffs and a business and tax climate that favors investment, would raise all boats.
>>476796474Ranjeet, prakob, anubhuav etc etc wants a free ride off of Whitey.Go fuck yourself. Do it back in India.
>>476778355>The middle classi think you mean the elite class stopped fulfilling any function and started to act like cancer does in the human body
>>476776011>GIBS ME DUH MONEYno
>>476796396>>Somehow expect businesses with said small profit margin to pay "living wage" to employees which rises every few months.>small profit marginOy vey just 0 money, we can't pay, we're barely breaking.
>>476796733>Alright your total for your big mac meal comes down to $30.56>Please answer the payment terminal question, would you like 20% 40% or 55% tip?>You want ketchup with that?
>>476796657I guess the easiest way would be to ban all salaried or hourly employment and automatically register each human as an incorporated independent contractor who can complete tasks for any company.
>>476796602Guess who got that money?Guess who gets subsidized by the government?Guess who has shell companies in over seas tax havens to avoid taxes while getting subsidized in the nations they operate in?
>>476796396>>476796396kekw
>>476776011We agree, the left are the ones that disagrees about the methods needed to achieve such a reality which is why we can’t have nice things
>>476797202QUI?
If only we didnt give half our paycheck to niggers
>>476778355This is such a brainlet response and is proven wrong by national socialist Germany society.We can have nice things, everybody can enjoy a great living standard if we get rid of the wastefulness in our society and the Jewish parasites at the top
>>476797054Did I piss you off, Sanjeet?
That's basically how every society functions until Jews show up.
>>476776011>living wageOkay, first define this in dollar.
>>476776011mic drop is cringe only r/edditards think it‘s cool
>>476795928Nah, they're just really stupid and whipped.It's like how a man will do everything to please his woman without thinking of himself first, he's been conditioned all his life to do it.That and the crab bucket retards.
>>476797561They're just a symptom of the sickness.We keep giving billions upon billions upon billions to Israel and Ukraine to continue their desert people wars. They're getting all our money and we're left holding the bag. Dual citizen Jews that have subverted our government are making us all poorer.
>>476797480Vanguard got to manage $2.5 Trillion of that Covid relief package that was passed just a few months before Trump left often.Every time weapons get sent abroad that's a subsidy for the Military Industrial Complex.https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent-totalshttps://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/03/google-tax-haven-bermuda-netherlandshttps://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/how-companies-like-amazon-nike-and-fedex-avoid-paying-federal-taxes-.htmlHow Corporations avoid paying Federal taxes.
>>476778355>The middle class was a mistake and has lead to the very consumerism that's doomed our planets ecology.No, catering to the underclass is what doomed our planets ecology. a welfare system instituted for whites, preyed upon by hordes and hordes of niggers and spics.
>>476793922>live comfortable>afford rentover half the country can't do neither you slobbering fucking retard
>>476798572I never know whether to laugh or curse when somebody believes both in open borders and in reducing CO2 output. Every single shitskin that hops the border increases both their CO2 and resource footprints when they come up here. That being said, muh climate change isn't going to destroy the environment. It's just the contradiction of the positions that I hate. That, and the fact that the retards coming up are going to help destabilize things and kick off ethnic conflict.
>>476796867>DUH TOP 1 PERCENT >SEE GOY, THE TOP 1 PERCENT HAS MONEY GOY! SEE GOY! LOOK HOW DUMB YOU ARE GOY! "H-HUuRRRRR LETS CONFLATE PERSONAL NET WORTH OF THE ABSOLUTE RICHEST PEOPLE ALIVE WITH CORPORATE PAY STRUCTURES, EVEN THOUGH THAT LITERALLY MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE H-HUURRRRR D-D-DUUUUURRRRRRR" Besides, who the FUCK is going to pay assholes 55k a year to fry fucking burgers? The entire thing collapses because LIVABLE WAGE IS A FUCKING MYTH AND VARIES FROM PERSON TO FUCKING PERSON. IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FUCKING ANYTHING. ITS EXTREMELY ARBITRARY AND ITS A DUMBASS NIGGER REDDIT TIER TERM USED BY DUMBASS FAGGOT LEFTIST PIECES OF SHIT SUCH AS YOURSELF. GET MAD AT THE FAGGOTS WHO PRINTED UNTOLD TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND INJECTED INTO THE BANKING INSTITUTIONS SO THEY COULD COVER ALL THE HORSESHIT UNDERWATER MORTGAGES THAT THEY SOLD TO NIGGERS WITH 400 CREDIT SCORES AND 27 DOLLARS OF ANNUAL INCOME. AS USUAL, FUCK YOOOOU. FUCK YOOOU. FUCK YOOOOOOOOOU.
>>476796348No, the vast majority of people using the word "should" aren't planning to do jack squat.
>>476796657>task based payI work in R&D. My "tasks" are very long, very complicated projects. Your system simply wouldn't work.
>>476776011because it's a retard take influenced by a cushy first world life desu. you shouldn't have to work for your necessities. you should be free to engage in whatever business you want to make money (but not godlike amounts) for the sake of luxuries and recreation, but nobody in a civilized society should be homeless, naked, stuck, or starving to death because of circumstances outside of their control. if we're gonna let darwinism take the wheel instead of caring for the members of our society, we may as well go back to nature. speaking of, the lifestyle you want for people is too taxing on the earth for everyone to do it. travel needs to either become non-impactful to the environment or become much more rare. everybody shouldn't be living a life they need a vacation from every year or less, and we have the manpower, machine power, and scientific knowledge nowadays to actually give them that life... if we can just stop focusing on non-essentials.
>>476776011>I demand comfy home>I demand a fun vacation >I demand the most expensive food>I demand more than minimum so I can get money for saving and investing This is something you can't demand, but you get what you deserve and work for.Realistic here, if you have a roof over your head and food on the table you are ok. Everything from here is luxury items and you have to spend your money wisely and be smart to survive.There are so many ways to save money and leave cheap to get some extra savings, just don't smoke, drink or do drugs are one of the best moves you can make if you want to save money.
>>476799268>Can't pay you a decent wage.>Can let the government subsidize the ruling classes losses.Risk is shared, profits are private.The ruling class has rigged the game and you're a house nigger.
>>476776011I don't respect people who say words like "living wage" then turn around and rent apartments for $3000 a month.
>>476801779>if we can just stop focusing on non-essentials.Good point we should probably ban non essentials.Like mansions, castles, luxury sports cars, private jets, yachts.No CEO should earn $1 Billion dollars a year.That's just a waste.H probably only need $100k tops if he focuses on the essentials.
>>476779299You can't make wealth appear by fiat.Boomers lived in a wealthy society, we do not.
>>476776011But what if I'm a ceo and I want all the profits so I can own an Island and do whatever I want on it? Have you thought about MY needs? You filthy worker scum.
>>476795242There has to be a middle ground.
>>476804820OK, then how about we just slaughter the professional criminals and the welfare parasites? That'll implicitly take care of the illegal immigrants and the Communists, too. Can we all agree on that? Then we can subject their corpses to hydrothermal liquefaction & turn them into carbon-neutral crude oil. No drawbacks!
>>476804386Can you give me the gps coordinates of your island? It's important.
>>476776011They're obsessed with population control and are generally greedy cunts unfortunately.
>>476805029Compost them and spread them around for increased soil fertility. It's really green. They like green. Win-win.
>>476805029kekI'm just too old to do it myself
>>476776011https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AtbdRs9U0us
>>476793765Why is it always disingenuous with you people?
>>476799268>55k a year 55k a year is like what 20k a year used to be back in the day when you had youth, you drooling quivering decrepit retarded nigger. You think that is a lot of money? Are you an actual fucking retard? Get the fuck out in the world you kike. You fucking experience-less niggers giving economic advice sitting in your mudhut town population of 3,000. Yeah you're a real god damn sage. You might be able to buy a house in about 10 years of saving on a salary of 55k a year.
>>476776011>/pol/ actually DISAGREES with thisReally? Then why do you leftists not help push sound/honest money? Raising the minimum wage just makes cost of living rise again.Money being a commodity based instead of kike based makes even a nickel and penny have value because it will have copper or nickel metal, and be nearly enough for a silver dime.
>>476796184So by your logic I'm obligated to make $10 worth of sales per hour at your rate
>>476777214Pretty easy when you live in the post-war 20th century
>>476794682>Every man working a full time job should be able to afford a house, a car, and a family.What would be the incentive to improve if you could get all of that from being a Deliveroo driver?How much value do you think that someone delivering pizzas provides to society? Enough to afford a house and feed a family?You are fucking delusional, do you perhaps work for the World Economic Forum?
>>476807358>What would be the incentive to improveyour family you atomized jew golem money slave
>>476776011It wont actually solve your problems, and the governments who promise you a minimum wage are the same ones that will worsen the economy, affordability etc If your job doesnt pay you enough, leave and get a better job. If you cant getna better job, you arent underpaid youre underskilled.
>>476778355>Human culture cannot exist without an underclass.Hey thanks for outing yourself as absolute scum.
>>476807358If you're working a full-time job, even if you're just delivering pizzas, you should at least make enough that you can afford rent, transportation, and groceries.
>>476799268>but 55k is too much for a burger flipperThe boomer minimum wage was extremely high. Using ShadowStats inflation, 3.25 per hour in 1972 is over $151 per hour in 2021 dollars, then using government inflation stats for 2021->2024, we get over $175 per hour minimum wage in 2024 dollars.$175 per hour minimum wage with additional overtime pay for a high-school job.
>>476810107Why? Get a better job if you want that shit. Delivering pizza is a job for kids living with their parents looking to get some money for weed.Retarded Communist fuckwit.>>476807484If you got a family and the best you can do is deliver pizza then you should be sterilised and thrown into a gulag to break rocks and build roads and actually provide actual value to society.How much does a pizza cost in this glorious luxury space Communism world? $400? Good luck with that, retard.
>>476807080Do you think that goods sold by stores are 100% profit? Holy fuck are you an 8 year old?
>>476778355>Human culture cannot exist without an underclass. Slaves by any other name are necessary to the systems survival.This is the depressing reality of the world. If everyone was equal or had sufficient money, there'd be no one to do all the less then ideal shit that makes up the backbone of society.
>>476783581>They’re starter jobs, not a career path. Fuck off if you believe that flipping burgers, waiting tables, or washing dishes is a job worthy of a “heckin’ living wagearino”. Do better nigger.based neo-boomer
>>476777214In 1973 I worked in a chair factory and made $3.25. Adjusted for inflation that is indeed almost $24. Median house price was about $32,500. Therefore 10,000 hours of work, before taxes, would buy you a house. Minimum wage is now $7.25 / hr, but really, no one gets that. Let's say you make $12.50 / hr at WalMart. 10,000 hours at that rate, before taxes, is $125,000. Median house price is $412,000. So that is a fucked-up situation, compared to 1973. Now, there are houses cheaper than the median, about half of them, in fact. There are livable houses in 'Murica 2024 for $150,000, if you get away from the coasts and outside the urban areas. But of course there were livable $10,000 houses in 1973. It is still possible to move to the Midwest, find a distressed house in a livable area for $100k, live in it and fix it up, and ratchet your way up. It's just a hell of a lot harder for today's low wage worker than it was for 1973's. On the other hand every age has its perils. Talk to my brother in law sometime, who was a happy healthy Midwestern kid, got drafted, sent to Vietnam, and came home with no legs. I call him my half-brother. BTW, if anyone out there is interested in knowing: there are people out there selling houses on what they call "land contracts". The way this works is, they find an absolutely shitted up old house, and buy it for, say, $30,000. They do no work at all, and sell the house to you for say, $60,000, and they finance it to you at an exorbitant rate, say 10%.Now, why should you go along with this? Because you need no down payment, your credit is bad but they don't care, and you can get into a house of your own for less than you could rent.If you fuck up, they take the house back including whatever work you have done. So don't fuck up. This is how Mexican immigrants with no money and no credit but a strong work ethic and a lot of cousins, are buying up property out here in Indiana.
>>476811050Not add in mass immigration, quality of jobs available, national productivity/manufacturing output, trade output vs. the rest of the world, government spending, government debt, welfare spending.It isn't as simple as just saying "durr, inflation!"
>>476776011We don't but keep at it good to have you here! Don't forget your complimentary pill!
>>476776011Every single WORKER should REFUSE to work for less pay than they feel that they both need & deserve.If the money matters enough to work for someone else, that worker should refuse to sell their work for anything less than decent pay.This is why every worker should be absolutely opposed to all immigration, and should also support abolition of universal suffrage, because both of these things always hurt native workers.
>>476813093>there are houses cheaper than the median, about half of them, in factkek
>>476776011Less about disagreement, more that it isn't feasible with how things are. You would have to severely change things to get what you want to come to pass.
>>476776011a shame that's impossible because of faggot mass immigration pushing neocons, leftists and dalit jeets like you
>>476776011Why should 16 year Olds need to be paid a living wage exactly?
>>476787353Artificial general intelligence is a myth.
>>476783581>They’re starter jobs, not a career pathI agree in theory. The problem is many of the jobs that average (i.e. no college) people would go into after these starter jobs don't exist anymore. Corporate America gutted alot of the factory-type jobs (by moving them overseas) that once paid a good wage, pension, etc. to those with only a high school diploma. So now the American economy is most mostly shit-tier jobs, high paying white collar work (which will probably slowly go down due to AI) and Blue collar work (i.e. the trades). Realistically, blue collar work is the key for average people to succeed, but even that requires going to a trade school vs the apprenticeship model we used to have. The biggest issue is that labor is too slow pick up on trends and shift accordingly. We should have been encouraging greater participation in the trades 20+ years ago. Instead, the boomers/Gen X convinced everyone that the trades were pleb-tier jobs and that the promised land was soul sucking corporate work that requires a college degree. Only now are we starting to realize the truth. Nevertheless, there still seems to be this mentality that going to college and getting a white collar job is the only option for success.
which jobs should teenagers work if all of the retail and fast food are filled by losers who never did anything more?
>>476784011Because they are either shills or nihilist faggots that don't care about the community or country they live in.
>>476814382there are still factories around, but yeah there are very few compared to when boomers would graduate high schoolfactories served as the "no education but living wage" jobs once teenagers either went to college or graduated and started workingfactories start at 18/hour or so around here, with benefits, and your competition is meth-heads who work long enough to get one paycheckif you have an iq above room temperature you will be a supervisor in a year making 60k+
>>476784011teenager jobs do not need to pay a living wage because teenagers don't rent apartmentsthey need to get a job at a factory
>>476815012>>476814758You just need to get a job period.
>>476813140All of those directly contribute to inflation and lower wages. Are you trying to say that wages should be even lower now?
>>476815112you need a skill people will pay for
>>476792631>How would the dollar crash when it is still the default currency for trade in the western hemisphere and most of the eastern hemisphere?It would immediately stop being the global reserve currency if they defaulted on their debt, retard.Holy fuck, how dumb are you?Currencies are only given global reserve status because they are seen as stable and being managed by people who don't do third world shit like defaulting on their debts.Go back to school already you fucking clown.
>>476809083Someone's got to do the shitty jobs or the society collapses.
>>476794687>>476794687>>uhh, we're doing it wrong, workers rights are ackshully bad and we should be more like Mississippiyes
>>476815213Pretty much, that's why America is collapsing.They don't put out a special announcement when nations like America are going tits up. They pretend that everything is just fine and dandy while they build underground bunkers on private islands and raid the coffers.
>>476776011Walmart, McDonalds, Target, and Foot Locker were not supposed to be end destinations for a career path unless you work in upper management.>But here we are, living in a time where people demand it.
>>476815686>Someone's got to do the shitty jobsGreat, then pay them a living wage. >or the society collapsesIf it won't pay people a living wage then it deserves to collapse. Selfish greedheads can eat shit, pay up or die filthy cappie parasites.
if bottom tier jobs will pay enough to support a person completely, what is the point of going to school to earn more?are you saying my job will also pay me more? or are you asking me to lower my spending capacity so you can keep working at mcdonald's?if my job is going to pay me more, what is the point?if you are asking me to take the hit, ummm...no?
>>476815568Sorry Muhammad don't be so fucking mad, it's all just pretend.What's the difference between defaulting a debt and having a debt of like 999 trillion? Do people think "oh they're gonna pay that debt some day"?I don't like it either but the dollar is still the #1 currency and they can print quadrillions and owe gorillions and still have the same level of currency confidence cause it's the fucking US of A, what are you gonna do? Use the yuan?You guys let them get too powerful, the world was a better place when Britain and Europe in general were the biggest superpowers.
>>476778539No it wouldn'tyou can't fix this problem by just arresting business owners and expecting everything to fall into place after; they aren't running businesses as a charity you genuine communist fucking moronthe problems start at the high level, with bankers and investors who set policies to bring in millions of migrants who depress wages and take up housingthis is a problem solved with deportations and prison, for migrants and bankers respectively, not your childish idiocy about attacking business owners.
>>476778539if i had to choose between working like everyone else or starting a business but being subjected to the shit you describe there wouldn't be any jobs my dude
How the fuck do you progress to a career on a "starter wage" that isn't meant to be a "living wage" you fucking troglodytes? How do I upskill if I can't live???You think I can just wake up and work at the bank one day by default? No. You need LARGE amounts of offshored training and expenses; licenses, money to buy a a vehicle, time and money for schooling, shit that NOT EVERYONE GETS AS A KID.If you can't thrive off an unskilled jobs, then a living wage is locked into only being for those born in prosperity. Abused kids who had to leave their home or got sent to foster? Guess they're fucked. Had a mishap and have to start over? Go starve I guess.What the fuck kind of society are you advocating you retards? You can't "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" if the first fucking rung of the ladder is unlivable and a permanent poverty trap. Yeah, privileged born into wealth teenagers work these jobs and branch off; not everyone has or had the fucking support system to milk and leech off mom and dad while they're paid a substandard non living wage though, retards. A lot work 80 hours just to survive.You're advocating for a society where people born into poverty and lack of support stay there, forever. Why the fuck do you want us to be India? Are you insane?You should at minimum be able to afford going to school and live off a minimum wage job, because that's how every fucking human who isn't a privileged piece of shit human leech parasite did it for decades, until it was stolen from you. A boomer could work a summer part time and pay for college and become a doctor. An adult now has to work multiple years living paycheck to paycheck on a minimum wage job just to afford one semester of school.You're all braindead and let people steal your birthright from you, and you're defending the boot stepping on your neck? What the fuck. We should have the same privileges as our parents who bought houses and cars off "mcjobs" and you're braindead if you think otherwise
>>476776011No we dont. If you work 40 hours you should be able to afford a life including savings and a home
>>476796218I DO see a problem with that. You want 60% of the population to live in barbaric conditions. That's insanity. I despise white hating cucks like you.
>>476813093Fuck off, boomer. The day of the pillow approaches. Do you even hear yourself? "I got mine, but you can go fuck yourself and live in a dilapidated shack that someone else still owns even after you do all the work on it yourself! What a deal! Sure, I got to buy a new house or two, take a couple of vacations a year, retire in my early to mid-fifties on a cozy pension. But you can just pull yourself up by your bootlaces!" Your chair factory union took a vote and decided that once you scum fucks got your pensions, it was cool if the company moved their production overseas so that nothing would interfere with your gibs even if it meant consigning your own kids and grandkids to a lifetime of wage slavery that would never pay off in any meaningful way. And you can substitute "chair factory union" with literally every other union that existed at the time because you guys got yours and they wanted to make sure we got to pay for it. You fucking reprobates cannot die off fast enough. It's easy to think you're a financial genius when banks we're paying you 16% on your savings and you had a defined-benefit pension plan, you entitled, retarded, boomer faggot.
>>476817746you start working when you are 12 years old like i did and then you learn shit as you get olderyou guys are all mad at the wrong people. you should all be mad at politicians who completely destroyed our economy, but instead you've been brainwashed into being mad at successful people
>>476805567No, human intestines contain parasites whose eggs are really hard to kill. That's why farms aren't fertilized with human waste. But hydrothermal liquefaction sterilizes everything, including prions.
>>476776011No the single mom answering phones from her bedside table and the nigger serving me chick-fil-a at the drive thru don’t deserve a house like mine.
>>476816867>defaulting a debt and having a debt of like 999 trillion?Effectively, nothing because the currency would be worthless either way.>Do people think "oh they're gonna pay that debt some day"? No, hence why de-dollarisation is happening. >I don't like it either but the dollar is still the #1 currency and they can print quadrillions and owe gorillions and still have the same level of currency confidence cause it's the fucking US of A, what are you gonna do? Use the yuan? Probably not a lot of difference in using the Yuan to using the Dollar in 2024 as they're both effectively managed by Communists but I'd take Chinese Communists over nigger Communists every day of the week.There will likely come a time in the not too distant future when the global system collapses and we have no nation being the global reserve currency as none are particularly stable.The US is like the majority of Western nations absolutely broke and lashing out like a dying animal. Their power is greatly diminished.>You guys let them get too powerful, the world was a better place when Britain and Europe in general were the biggest superpowers.Blame the Jews. They took all their toys and went over there because Americans were easier to manipulate.
>>476787353AGI? Heck, I'm still on the lookout for human intelligence.
>>476817815I couldn't afford to buy a home until I was in my late 40s, and I have a STEM bachelor's degree & am actually good at what I do.
