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▶Day: 894 - Daily battlefield assessment: https://isw.pub/UkraineConflictUpdatesISW

▶Latest
>The rostov-on-don submarine has been sunk
>Morozovsk airfield Rostov struck with drones, ammunition storage hit
>Prisoner swap deal with russia was to have included Navalny
>Russian court declared that Finland committed genocide on russian territory in WW2 (lol)
>Smoooking accident at oil refinery in Omsk (2000+ km from the border)
>Biggest prisoner swap between russia and the West since the Cold War, numerous foreigners and russian political prisoners released
>Kremlin's spokesperson says russia will not attend any peace talks until moscow's demands are considered
>The Times: in the first delivery Ukraine received 6 F-16s from Netherlands
>Bloomberg: The first delivery of the F-16 fighter jets from NATO allies has arrived in Ukraine
>Smoooking accident at NPO Avtomatiki (a Roscosmos subsidiary) in Yekaterinburg
>Comfy TZD event involving a russian Mi-8 and a Ukrainian drone in Donetsk region
>Ukrainian Military intelligence was involved in an attack at russian assets at Kuweires airbase in Aleppo recently - KyivPost
>Ukrainian Military Intelligence completed one of the largest DDOS attacks on russia's internet infrastructure in history, went on continuously for a week, affected the online services of banks, national payment systems, government resources and dozens of other services
>Ukrainian forces have reported the first appearance of the North Korean long-range anti-tank missile system, Bulsae-4 M-2018 NLOS ATGM, in the Kharkiv region

▶Telegram
https://rentry.org/telosint2023
https://t.me/ukr_pics

▶Intel
https://t.me/DeepStateEN
https://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)
https://ukr.warspotting.net/ (visually confirmed losses)

▶Maps
https://deepstatemap.live/en
https://liveuamap.com/en
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>>477107557
Nightly reminder that nearly a million Ukrainians have gone into hiding to avoid the draft. Turns out they don't want to fight America's war for them.
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>>477107753
>America's war
About as much intelligence as I'd expect from a memeflag
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>>477107577
butt /chug/ger status?
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Question to pro-russians..

How are you supposed to win this war? When? At what cost? Sanctions? Insurgencys? International Psriah status?
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>>477107889
It's true though. Americans have spent the last 80 years seething about Russia and are constantly trying to take them down.

Ukrainians are starting to figure out that there's no reason they should have to fight and die in some faraway lands they'll were never going to visit anyway. Expect that 800k to keep growing. You'll eventually run out of Ukrainian men to throw into the meat grinder.
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>>477107950
>How are you supposed to win this war?

Russia already won.

There is no argument to be had here. There is no timeline where ukraine exists in the future in the same manner it does today.
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>>477108095
aw cute, he immediately pulls out his prepared screencap of his own post again
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>some faraway lands
Did you copypaste from Afghanistan metodichka, retard?
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>>477107889

Ukraine does not fund the war.

Ukraine does not supply the war.

But somehow you think its "ukraine's war"

There is no cure for this kind of stupid. Its terminal.
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>>477108327
Answer me
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>>477108383
>his own post
WTF is this cope lol
>Any Ukrainian flag who questions the narrative isn't actually Ukrainian
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>>477108095
Trying to take them down?
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>>477108507
Those gosh darn Americans, fighting everyone's wars!
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>>477108528

what didnt I answer?

Russia has already won. Outside of true black swan events, there is no way the situation in ukraine changes in ukraine's favor.
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>>477108095
I assure you that if we wanted to take Russia down.
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Did the retarded spic already give up? lmao
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>>477108095
We would have.
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>>477108699

I dont understand what point you are trying to make here.

I am afraid that if you explain yourself, it will just end up being really fucking retarded.
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>>477108095
we were seething?
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>>477108690
That was in the 90s when America was trying to turn Russia into yet another one of its European colonies. Didn't work out did it?
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>>477108729
Hello chang
>kys faggot
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>>477108912

outplayed by someone from Uruguay.

life must suck for you.
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Nothing says "winning" like using motorcycle cavalry charges and dedicated 100% loss units!
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>>477108414
It's 1350km from one side of Ukraine to the other, that's really far. I haven't even been that far from where I was born. Pretty fair description if you want to be honest desu.
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>>477109060
>>477108782
>>477108891
Was it?
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>>477108782

in your world, globalism never happened.

we are not the same country that provided lend lease to the Soviets.

Out inability to keep ukraine supplied should have been enough to tell you that, but here we are.
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>>477109198
>pic
Poдiнa вac нє зaбyдeт. Ho хyй вcпoмнiт.
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>>477108782
>WW2
Russia was the lesser of two evils in America's eyes back then. It was more important to your kike government that the Nazis be defeated and doom Europe (and the US too). They figured they would deal with Russia later.

>>477109006
America has spent most of the last century endlessly seething about Russia and China. That's just a fact.
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>>477109269
Who is we, Mearshy? Turn off the VPN you pile of living proof why Russia is a worthless ally and useless as anything other than a vassal state to the Chinese.
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>>477109071
hello nigger
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>>477107950
>How are you supposed to win this war?
gainZ
>When?
whenever russia feels they have enough of ukraine i guess. will they try to make it to kiev or further is anyone's guess
>inb4 ur winning too slowly
>Sanctions
LOL surely you jest
>Insurgencys
likely. zelensky has been overstaying his welcome and the country is ripe for another coup, organic or otherwise.
>International Psriah status?
pariah? "oh nooo people don't like us! what ever shall we do?!" -russia
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>>477109371
Don’t make me tap the flier.
>>477108891
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>>477109198
>Dying for Lord Farquad
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>>477109148
Americans live like webmrel, so what's your point?
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>477109371
>disingenuous pidor forgets about soviets playing catchup with the us and seething about not being able to do so
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>>477109198
>Nothing says "winning" like using motorcycle cavalry

fucking based.

>and dedicated 100% loss units!

outside of the convict battalions, Russia doesnt do this.

Name one piggy battalion that doesnt get used in this manner. You cant.

Ukraine sent some of their best soldiers into Krynky. Krynky was nothing but a media stunt. Those soldiers were sent to their death so the Rat King could grab some headlines.
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>>477109456
When the war is still going next year what will you say then?
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>>477109560
I’d feel bad for them if they didn’t have the memory of goldfish. All we ever wanted was to help them become a modern, functional society that we could engage with civilly. I just don’t think it’s possible.
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>>477109513
The USSR dissolved but it only took a few decades for Russia to rise again.
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>>477109662
Rise again to sell Siberia to China and fail to take land an hour from its border while having a male life expectancy below the retirement age? Talk about setting a low bar.
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Why are there so many "Comfy" generals populating on /pol/? Don't the posters who frequent this board realize it's just a hotbed of fascist thought?
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Russia doesn't have AWACS anymore. Kek
They don't have enough Radar sites either.
Hitting Morozovsk airbase was only possible because their air defences are badly degraded.
If Ukrainian drones continue to be able to do this, it will get much much worse.
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>>477109725
>No u r chink vassal!!!!!1 >:(
Stop projecting.
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>>477109560
you were part of the soviets... this makes you sound like a backstabbing kind of ally.
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>>477109611
i'd say the same thing. i'm not delusional, this war is going to go on for a while.
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>>477109932
Good point, Ukrainians played a big role in governing the USSR but now they act like they're some oppressed group that was conquered.
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>>477109593
>suicide charges are "based"
Ok samurai.
>nu-uh we don't use dedicated 100% loss units!
Even pussian milbloggers admit that they EXPECT the first few waves to die to the last man
>muh krynky was just a media stunt
And yet 3 pussian brigades couldn't push out less than 1 battalion's worth of troops out or cut off its supply for almost a year. 3 brigades + airstrikes that weren't directed elsewhere.
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>>477109932
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU SHOULD REMAIN THE PART OF THE EMPIRE FOREVER!
So when are you going to reunite with Portugal, macaco?
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>>477108805
NOO!! Cryptkeeper is down!

And now for some western nog degeneracy and whatnot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9W93Ryw8Q8
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>>477109456
Russia with no food, fuel, leccy, or infrastructure.
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>>477107557
Die for the pedophile Vladimir Putin.

He killed Alexander Litvinenko for exposing his sick pedophilia to the world!
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>>477110166
>Ok samurai
I am kind of a big deal, acutally.

>And yet 3 pussian brigades couldn't push out

the intent wasnt to push them out.

Putin said himself he wanted ukraine to send more people in. It was an obvious death trap from the very start.

Learn your place, fodder.
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The amount of buck-broken russnigger shills these threads produce is a lolcow that never runs dry.
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>>477110355
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>>477110431
>Russian calling anyone else fodder
Everything is an act of projection with you people.
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>>477110309
Today if it was up to me
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>>477110431
>we didn't kill you because...uhhhhh...we wanted to kill you slower!
Weire cope.
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>>477110431
>the intent wasnt to push them out.
>Putin said himself he wanted ukraine to send more people in. It was an obvious death trap from the very start.
these copes are ridiculous. only ngubu nofrontalobe and ranjeet visaredeem will fall for this shit.
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>>477110431
>reddit spacing
>retarded opinion
truly organic 4chin user +1 updoots!
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>>477110340
yeah bro, they've already ran out of missles and tanks 4x now and have necromancers resurrecting the dead. meanwhile ukraine gets 2 hours of electricity a day and their economy is entirely reliant on our taxpayers gibs. you be the judge.
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>477109662
It's kinda funny for Russians to win first they needed Germany to decimate the entirety of Europe and then still required to get bankrolled by US and it still costed them so much people they effectively fucked their demographics despite mostly forcing Belarussia and Ukraine to take the brunt of the butcher's bill, and even after all of this the only thing they managed after 30 plus years of US and Germany yet again helping them they still managed to end up in a stalemate who got it worse than them.

Also reminder pic related is what russian boyards do whenever they aren't forced to virtue signal, exactly like chuds parroting about trad values and then fapping to /gif/ trash.
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>>477111000
Trips. Also that’s Mearshy. He comes in here with a VPN and begs Americans to like Russia.
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>>477111132
didn't ask, keep spamming your gore though
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>>477110104
And? I'm not really sure how that is relevant to him framing himself as separate from the soviets.
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UKRAINE HAS
A RIGHT TO A
SELF DEFENSE SITUATION
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>>477111268
>>477111268
>>477111268
DIDN'T ASK
FOR
YOUR PERMISSION
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T Z D
Z D
D E A T H
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G O T T
M I T
U N S

UKRAINE
IS A SLAVIC ARYAN NATION

SLAVERY IS A FARE WORSE THAN DEATH --- IMPERIUM AETERNA
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>>477111523
Didn't like the 3 republics + crimea vote to secede? If that's the case, then Ukraine isn't self defending, they're trying to invade.
Not sure how true that is though.
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>>477110380
I liked the cartoon a lot, they no longer do stuff like this, no even nips, well, the nips can still make actual cartoons as, it's using cartoon physics rather than just live action in 2D, and then some funny things, although they have become too coom dependent.

Anyway, here are the average mobik logistics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXNB-V2cg7A
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>>477111763
>Not sure how true that is though.
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B L O O D
H O N O R
S O I L
ᛟᛉᛋ

https://youtu.be/jNuw42EQsnE?si=H7vJTGpbDxCLA6zz

AZOV --- MADE IN UKRAINE

https://youtu.be/AmYYQH8PaGE?si=gAGv0tCMvvbakBHv

KOST GORDIYENKO: AZOV MOVEMENT

https://youtu.be/u6_cYS_qwcA?si=0AwS7OLhIMQPG45M [600k]

卐 RUSSIA'S WORST NIGHTMARE ᛏ

HAIL AZOV
HAIL KRAKEN
HAIL AFU

W E
W I L L
W I N
>>
where i come from we kill em
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>>477108460
>>477108460
Why is the stop sign in the background in English?
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>>477109198
>Mother Russia will never forget us
Can you ever forget something you did not even know existed?
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CHAOS COMES ORDER
ENDS JUSTIFY MEANS
AT ALL COSTS
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UKRAINIAN RECRUITMENT IS UP
3.5x

OUTSTANDING
HAIL VICTORY
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>>477111593
It's not just that, but their own self-perception, at an individual level, vatniggers spammed that ukrainian medic losing his leg to a mine, yet even then you could see the guy decided to keep fighting for dear life rather than eat a bullet, meanwhile we are already within 3 digits of russians commiting sudoku, the entire war has been about ukrainians showing they are westerners while russians are just another branch of global south subhumans.
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WE ALL LIVE
IN
A YELLOW SUBMARINE
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>>477112388
meat catchers must be working overtime, huh?
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>>477112455
>>477112455
>>477112455
EXACTLY

SPENGLER WAS RIGHT
EVOLA EAS RIGHT
DR. PIERCE WAS RIGHT
COMMANDER ROCKWELL WAS RIGHT

A SHAME BOOMERS DID NOT LISTEN... RIVERS OF BLOOD
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>>477112388
Why Are the jews destroying everything?
What do they think they're going to gain from a world without peaceful civilizations?
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>>477112610
>>477112610
>>477112610
FURTHERMORE
ZIGGERS LOST 70,000 MEN THE LAST TWO MONTHS
... THAT'S ALMOST TWO VIETNAMS... GOOD LORDY LOO IVAN
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>>477112644
Russians even wrote hatefic of LOTR where they portrayed the orcs as the good guys.
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JEWISH HIGH IQ IS A MYTH
AVERAGE IQ IN ISRAEL IS 92-96 AT HIGHEST ESTIMATES

GG IT WAS JOEVER FROM THE START
I BLAME
THE WASPS & FEEEMASON TRAITORS REALLY
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>>477112831
>>477112831
>>477112831
K E K K K

THE WARHAMMER 40K
WOULD'VE BEEN A BETTER CHOICE

THE ONE THING THE RUSSIANS
WERE SUPERIOR AT...
I'LL MISS THE RUSSIAN W40K COMMUNITY... GOODNIGHT SWEET WAAAGH
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LENIN --- PART JEWISH
JACOB SCHIFF --- JEWISH
MAX WARBURG --- JEWISH
KARL MARX --- JEWISH
STALIN --- MARRIED A JEWESS

USSR, 300 OF THE 380+ COMMISSARS WERE JEWS
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>>477107753
>please surrender, so we can genocide you peacefully
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JANNIES
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TONIGHT
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>>477113271
>>477113271
>>477113271
STOP
NOTICING
GO TO GULAG
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>>477112268
I think I've seen a few near a border. We had something of a fad for labels in English for quite some time and, with zoomers being rootless niggers world-wide, I expect this to return in force.
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FIRE FIRE FIRE
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>>477110605
>>477110859
>>477111000


okay, I found the source for you guys.

Trannies get a source for once.

Here is the video of Putin, himself, discussing Krynky.

https://youtu.be/DwtbIIYQjic?t=283

video should start at 4:45
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HAIL ᛏ
K R A K E N ᛏ
UKRAINIAN SPECIAL FORCES ᛏ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BANlUvipNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iySa-s0RCvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVgcmU9kYZQ

ADAPTATION
INNOVATION
EXECUTION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgefqBWd01g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_96Bt9laNU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlsCESLwwP0

ALL ACCOUNTS WILL BE SETTLED
FREEDOM COMES FROM THE SWORD
WE WILL NEVER GO BACK

TRIUMPH
OF THY WILL
MANIFEST DESTINY
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MERCY
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OVERRATED
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>>477115401

fag
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>>477113271
>multiple 30 minute speeches saying all the installed jew had to do was stop bombing orthodox christians and adhere to the current treaty
>tried cucking out multiple times including the battle of queef for peace negotiations while jews ran a media and financial jewkrieg on them
>they want to kill all da ukrainians and shieeeet
memeflaggots and horrendous opinions what a shock
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>>477115534
>>477115534
>>477115534
ZIGGER
FAGGOT
HOW'S THE 3 YEAR OPERATION???
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>>477115303
>a-actually we MEANT for Ukrainians to have a bridgehead there that we couldn't dislodge but pretended to clear out 50 times
Holy shit he's doing the meme
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KILL RATIO
SIX TO ONE OFFICIALLY
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>>477115639

You guys mock russia for not pushing the line far from their land. Its because they dont want to run logistics over bridges.

What the fuck makes you think ukraine gets to do it?

Did you never look at the terrain the soldiers had to cross in order to maintain the bridgehead at krynky?

It was obvious from the first day that nothing would ever come of ukraine's suicide attacks into Krynky.

Listening to you fags cope over Krynky these past months has been the best.
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>>477115891
It was always an operation to pin down Russian resources at the very limits of their logistics line while also keeping them out of Kherson. Of course ziggers are too low IQ to understand basic concepts like that and just send men into the grinder.
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>>477116225
>It was always an operation to pin down Russian resources at the very limits of their logistics line

You are either making shit up or you are being intentionally dishonest.

The krynky bridgehead was originally stated to be the first effort to take back Crimea.

There are no "very limits of russian logistics" when the front line has not moved far from their territory.

Russia, by this point, has 1,000 different/redundant logistics routes created by this point.

Just take the loss. You're embarrassing yourself.
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>>477116626
>krynky bridgehead was originally stated to be the first effort to take back Crimea
By who?
>There are no "very limits of russian logistics" when the front line has not moved far from their territory.
It's literally the farthest point of their logisitcs line, brainlet
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>>477116225
here is the most recent example of the attack on Krynky being linked to crimea.

written 3 weeks ago.

https://global.espreso.tv/russia-ukraine-war-ukrainian-moves-in-krynky-in-kherson-region-divert-major-russian-forces-serhiy-zgurets-column

>The actions in Krynky and other areas of the left bank drew away significant Russian forces that could have been used in other areas. A situation of operational uncertainty was created for Russia, as the presence of Ukraine's marine units was perceived by both Russia and foreign experts as a step to create and expand a bridgehead for further offensive actions, including an attack on Crimea.
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>>477116891
>By who?

here is another

https://visitukraine.today/blog/2909/how-did-ukrainian-soldiers-gain-a-foothold-in-the-village-of-krynky-in-a-month-and-what-to-expect-next#will-ukraine-attack-crimea

Do you need more?

Why do you just make shit up?
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>>477117073
>>The actions in Krynky and other areas of the left bank drew away significant Russian forces that could have been used in other areas.
That's what I just said and you denied
>was perceived by both Russia and foreign experts
So Russia and literal who's? Got it.
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>>477116891
>By who?

here is another

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-dnieper-river-kherson-7d1fe4cfa8b748e6736c9f2b620ff618

>The barrier also allowed Russia to concentrate more troops in the heavily mined and fortified Zaporizhzhia region and eastern Ukraine. Crossing the river could allow Ukraine to outflank Russia without having to break through the Zaporizhzhia region and take the most direct land route to Crimea.

need more?
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>>477116626
>There are no "very limits of russian logistics"
are ya sure about that? russian wheeled logistics hasn't exactly showered itself in glory this war. it is still mainly done by rail.
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Have you ever noticed that when you suggest Moscovians to free their oppressed colonies these are their classic dodge tactics
>nobody lives there anyway
>it's a frozen waste
>we supply them with everything (even though 99% of Moscovian resources come FROM there)
>we built HOSPITALS (who tf asked you?)
Kek
What am I missing here?
Fuck jannies btw
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>>477117603
death will us all
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>>477117440

Are you referring to the beginning of the war when Russia was plunged deep into ukraine?
Your pic says March 2022, so yes.

The entire reason Russia repositioned their forces was to create strong logistics for their own forces, while forcing ukraine to run their logistics all the way from poland.

It wasnt some massive victory for ukraine like you guys love to pretend it was. It was ukraine getting fucked over, while you called it a victory.
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>>477117374
>could allow
uh-huh. so the russians have to go fight them rather than ignore a threat on their flank.
hey, if this was a real honest attempt at a bridgehead for a breakthrough why was it only done by marine light infantry and not engineers? where was the bridging equipment? were they just supposed to walk to crimea and live off the land?
or was it just part of a larger raiding campaign across the river that had been happening for months before the exact same way with the same personnel and same light equipment.
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>>477117603
follow up: when Moscovia finally splits, it should not be allowed to reunite again.
Like what THEY did to Austria and Germany
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>>477107557
>file deleted
I guess mods don't like uhg-ly threads :)
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>>477118108
>hey, if this was a real honest attempt at a bridgehead for a breakthrough why was it only done by marine light infantry and not engineers?

because this was a media stunt.

it grabbed headlines. just like the ones I provided.

Those ukie marines were sent to their death so that retards (like the ones in uhg) could get super excited. The Rat King needed more funding and to do that, he needed to show the world he can get results.

The krynky bridgehead would never result in taking Crimea. It only had to convince you ridiculous faggots that it was a serious attack.

You all cheered the entire time as the piggies were sent to get slaughtered.
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>>477117374
This is a journalist making assumptions of something that "could" happen. Absolutely no one of any relevant rank or knowledge of the matter said the Krynky bridgehead was destined to liberate Crimea.
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>>477118487
>This is a journalist making assumptions of something that "could" happen

welcome to all reporting on ukraine.

should we start reliving all the reporting on the oinkfensive?

furthermore, its not just a journalist making shit up. There are direct quotes from Yermak.
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Krynky was indeed successful though
The bar would be "massively successful" if it allowed crossings and had they been able to do it when the originally were establishing bridgeheads, which was early summer last year, and there were multiple bridgeheads, not just the one, especially for the number of personnel allocated
But then the dam was destroyed
Russians threw away hundreds of pieces of armor instead of just shelling shit and thousands of men KIA
I don't think it was necessarily intended to, or succeeded directly in, redirecting forces from a build up around Kherson
Mainly the forces were redirected from Zaporizhzhia/Donetsk
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How much to move to Ukraine?
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Daily zigger suicide on camera.
Routine..
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>>477118796
>welcome to all reporting on ukraine
That's how most reporting works, retard.
>There are direct quotes from Yermak.
May I see it?
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>cofi status?
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>>477117936
russian logistics collapsed in 2022 and every farmer in eastern ukraine got a fancy new piece of military gear that ran out of fuel. that's what happens when the russian army gets too far from their railhead and they have to rely on trucks.
now go ahead an look up a map of the rail lines along the front. see how close vulhedar is to the mainline to the dnipro? the russian forces in zaprozhizia oblast live off of what comes down that line. that's what the other anon meant by "limits of their logistics". any farther and they start running into 2022 problems again because their wheeled logistics support companies suck ass and aren't robust enough to carry them farther.
>>477118401
nobody here thought it was anything more than a raid in force and fixing operation. just like when they took the islands in the estuary. just like when they took a part of the Kinburn Peninsula. only ziggers promoted it as some grand campaign to retake crimea that heroes heroically hero'd to reverse.
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>>477119428

look at the articles I gave you.

You give a tranny a source and they still ask if they can see it.

I give you permission to look at the articles I posted.
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>>477117936
lmao, what happened to puccia being near-peer to the US? The US that can send its military half across the world and top it off with Burger King?
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>>477119683
I guess that nobody explained to you before you became mentally ill that sources need to be questioned. Just because you give someone a source that supports your point of view doesn't mean they have to accept it as Gospel, Mearshpidorashka.
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>>477119683
>look at the articles I gave you.
I did and there's not a single quote from him saying so
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>>477119348
Man, did nobody told him Russia is winning? The shills in this thread are so sure about it, they can't just lie about everything, right?
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>>477108967
You're a jew.
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>>477119858

our ability to run logistics across the world still doesnt mean we reach bottlenecks over rivers.

A bridge is a bridge. A bottleneck is a bottleneck. Regardless of what country you are from.

Enough ankle biting, trannies. Dont be petty.
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>>477120204
You don’t have the ability to run anything anywhere. You’re not American.
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>people still replying to mearspidorashka
anons please
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>>477120977
It’s still pretending to be American. It even had the unmitigated gall to use terms such as ‘we’ and ‘us’ when speaking of Americans.
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>cofi status?



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