Previous: >>488229975▶Day: 990 — Daily battlefield assessment: http://isw.pub/UkraineConflictUpdatesISW▶Latest>Conscripts in Moscow are now prohibited from leaving the country>By January 20, we will send all the resources to Ukraine agreed by the Congress, - Sullivan>Washington Post: Trump had a phone call with Putin and talked about the war in Ukraine, advising him not to escalate>USA is sending Ukraine 500 interceptor missiles for PATRIOT and NASAMS>France will supply Ukraine with a new batch of SCALP EG missiles> AFU attacked ammunition warehouses of 1060th logistics center in Bryansk region.>Putin's decree to remove Ukrainian troops from Kursk by Oct 1 has failed>Biden plans military aid surge from billions still available>Zelenskyy holds call with Trump to congratulate him on election victory>North Korean troops in russia have come under Ukrainian fire>UK promises $3.8 billion per year in military aid to Ukraine>General Prosecutor's office: russian troops had executed 6 Ukrainian POWs at the Pokrovsk direction>At least 700 000 ziggers have perished in the 3-day special military operation>The US announced a new Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA) package of military assistance to Ukraine, with an estimated value of $425 million>Ukraine is planning to draft another 160k troops into its military▶Telegramhttp://rentry.org/telosint2023http://t.me/ukr_pics▶Intelhttp://t.me/DeepStateENhttp://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)http://ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)▶Mapshttp://deepstatemap.live/enhttp://liveuamap.com/en▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik) (translation courtesy of cofi anon)TOUR 1: https://files.catbox.moe/34fuhc.txtTOUR 2: https://files.catbox.moe/uj2wut.txtTOUR 3: https://files.catbox.moe/hmyd98.txtTOUR 4: https://files.catbox.moe/cdenxe.txt
SFB NEWS 12/11/2024:Previously on SFB News>>488177269Apartments in new buildings began to fall in price after the cancellation of preferential mortgages>>488177391 >>488177417 >>488177447Top managers of Russian factories announced the threat of collapse of the mechanical engineering industry>>488177577 >>488177596Russia's largest construction company is on the verge of financial collapse>>488177690 >>488177716
Putin allowed two more large oil and gas companies to classify their financial results>>488177825 >>488177848Chinese currency trading turnover fell to its minimum in almost two years>>488177955 >>488177982Supplies of electronics and household appliances to Russia collapsed by 30%>>488178095 >>488178124The government institute announced a possible freeze of Russian deposits>>488178203The government said that butter is becoming more expensive because Russians got rich and began to eat a lot (top kek)>>488179195
The authorities ask the Central Bank to reduce rates on company deposits so that they invest more>>488178359 >>488178389The Central Bank has prepared emergency measures to slow down lending to companies>>488178465 >>488178489 >>488178512
The Central Bank's fight against overheating of the economy threatens its hypothermia>>488178651 >>488178686 >>488178715 >>488178740Almost a third of heating networks in Russia have reached critical wear and tear>>488178872 >>488178898 >>488178923 >>488178949
The Central Bank promised to limit the issuance of mortgages for a period of more than 30 years>>488179055 >>488179076For the third year in a row, spending on fighting cancer will be reduced>>488179315 >>488179337There is a shortage of saline solution in Russian regions>>488179437 >>488179462China began to refuse to insure exports to Russia>>488179546 >>488179561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKrzwh13IGUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBqqI6NMeaM
The ruble exchange rate dropped to its lowest level since October 2023>>488179626 >>488179653The number of people wishing to move to Russia from abroad has fallen to a 10-year low>>488179727 >>488179752 >>488179780Conscripts in Moscow are now prohibited from leaving the country>>488230910A third of Russians declared their readiness to return all occupied territories to Ukraine>>488179866 >>488179917
How to help IRL:https://visitukraine.today/blog/1797/how-to-join-the-international-legion-of-defense-of-ukraine-detailed-instructions-for-foreigners
>>488246161Unsuccessful Russian assault in the Kursk region!https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1856438030623498737https://files.catbox.moe/s00792.mp4
Um based?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyQv_GwNTNI
>>488246706REMITTANCE
Meanwhile in reality:<----Sisters?
>>488246161Putin’s Inner Circle: Are Oligarchs Just Pawns in a Deadly Game? | Full Documentaryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWeJ4Pfvwo
>>488246916Your entire family should be killed
>No Crimea>No Mariupol>No Luhansk>No Dotensk>No end in sight>More land lost every week>Morale dropping like a stone>More and more ukies turning on the westHope it was worth it KEKAROO
>>488246916Julian Ropcke
>>488246795If I had to guess, that post is probably the one to let the bots know that the thread is over and to stop.
>>488247017Anyone that turns on the West must die. ALL enemies of the West must die, especially (You).
>>488246916Holy shit only 1950 casualities in a single day for this? Based putin killing Russians on unprecedented scale.
>>488247017>No Luhansk>No DotenskTwo more weeks
>>488247001I appreciate your buttthurt.
>>488247017>No CrimeaConquered back in 2014>No Luhansk>No DotenskConquered by Girking back in 2014>No MariupolConquered during the sucker punch in 2022.So basically Russia paid trillion dollars for few cities?Stopped paying pensions for that?
The Pentagon fires back at Zelensky on the Drawdown deliveries! They claim that between the passage of the April Supp & the middle of last month they have delivered the following commitments: ▶ 83% of promised 155mm ammo, GMLRS, PATRIOT missiles, AMRAAMs▶ 67% of Stinger and HAWK missiles▶ 60% of Small Diameter Bombs and 105mm ammunitionWhile Zelensky's 10% was an understatement, this is a significant overstatement. Nobody in the Ukrainian military believes this is accurate.https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1856431988774973486https://files.catbox.moe/nz15c2.mp4
>>488247179Implying they paid pensions in the first place. Retirement age in Russia is higher than their life expectancy.
>>488247017>No end in sightEvery actor in the Russian economy is saying differently.As usual, only the propagandists disagree.
>>488247051> b-but he is le bad!So map lies, right?>>488247098> 1950 casualities in a single dayDon't overdose with copiym.
>>488247159>buttthurt.You have to go back /trash/>Moscow residents, especially pensioners, regularly go to rubbish dumps in search of expired products in good packaging. 20-10-2024, When asked what makes them dig through the garbage,
>>488247288There have been 300 Russians killed on camera yesterday. Imagine all those not recorded.
>>488247288Your own tzar admitted you lose like 170 men KIA every day. He copes by insisting you've killed 2 million Ukrainians which is hilariously impossible.
>>488247214 The Pentagon clarified the amount left for Ukraine's military assistance. There is approx $7.1 billion left in PDA, which includes $4.3 billion approved by Congress in April + $2.8 billion that became available after recalculations. Additionally, there's approx $2.2 billion available under the USAI program. @PentagonPresSec underscored that the U.S. would rush aid to Ukraine and use all available funds.https://x.com/OstapYarysh/status/1856430943663243727
>>488247324> digging in dumpsters for foodInvented on west:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeganismAlso:> Gerashenkolow quality shilling.
swarm of drones reported over Russia
Putin will not attend the G20 summit in Rio de Janeiro - Lavrov instead of him.https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1856459772305830022>they sent the Horse instead
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>>488247516>Digging in garbage was a western invention so its not our fault!!!That's your excuse for the state of your country?Ivan, its not hard, you just need to start by killing your actual enemy: Your dictator.Then you don't have to cope anymore.
hey guys, the war is over, trump wonno need to keep making this unorganic general
What's the new "I hate Trump now" / "Trump is a jew" cope the ziggers are using now?
>>488247951>Appoints Mike Waltz
>>488247774> pweeese, russians, be our spendable pawns in your own country!If Putin resigns tomorrow. what would change for internation relations?
>>488247951>inorganicOh trust me, there's nothing inorganic about my hatred of Russians
>>488248170>If Putin resigns tomorrow. what would change for internation relations?The next head-of-state could offer his head up on a platter as a significant start to signaling Russian willingness to end its aggression.Reminder: Nobody except Russian propagandists even bother to claim that anybody but Russia started this war.
>>488248170absolutely nothing. The west continues to expand with or without putin. We break apart russia into further little zones maybe they change their name again and we all enjoy a short breath of peace while we focus on China ur slave masters.
>>488246176>>488246225>>488246277>>488246328>>488246378Appreciate the effort czech bros
>>488247516>implying west coast hippies eating trash to reduce food waste invented dumpster divinglol, lmao even.
>>488247516Whataboutism is ingrained in the consciousness of Russians
>>488248648> The next head-of-state could offer his head up on a platter as a significant start to signaling Russian willingness to end its aggression.So, you expect, that next Russia leaders will be obedient pro-west cucks. Hardly even Navalny matches for this role, if he would be alive.But in reality, current events crippled the mere idea of pro-west way for country. Even at best restoration, we will remember, how you dehumanized us and support nazies. Also, sanctions: no retards in Russia ever believe in "global free market".
>get in argument with retard leaf>he starts talking about how russia generously ceded land to ukrainians and it only became a problem when the hohols betrayed the "bond of blood" for the neoliberalsYou actually can't talk to these people, can you?
>>488249203>muh nazisGo dilate somewhere else you little bitch.
For some reason every time i see a zigger post - especially with a russian flag - this face immediately comes to mind
>>488249203>you expectNo. I'm just explaining an optimal route for unfucking your country.>obedient pro-west cucksYou have committed horrible, unprovoked crimes against Ukraine.Its not about obedience or "sides", it is RIGHT that you will be made to pay for what you've done.
>>488248648Hate to break it to you, but the Russian opposition hates you demonic tranny kikes tooThey just have different ideas on how to deal with youPutin is too nice, sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't
>>488248690> We break apart russia into further little zones maybe they change their name again and we all enjoy a short breath of peace while we focus on China ur slave masters.Bold words, sis. But in reality, you won't mess direstly even with N. Korea, as prev Trump president term showed.>>488248878> let's decolate poor people if rich countries, seeking for food in trash, as enviromentalists>>488248910> noo, you can't show me my double standarts!
>>488249474>The Russian opposition is even WORSEThen you will continue to die, and we'll see who's left later.Just like Sodom and Gomora, "Is there even 10 good Russians?"I guess we'll ask the last 10, if you insist.
>>488249203>obedient pro-west cucks.Pidorashko, male life expectancy in your "country" is shorter than male retirement age :-(Only because politicians embezzle funds and hoard them in satanic west xD
>>488249472>No. I'm just explaining an optimal route for unfucking your country.We can stay hostile to west, btw. Sun rises on east now.>You have committed horrible, unprovoked crimes against Ukraine.>Its not about obedience or "sides", it is RIGHT that you will be made to pay for what you've done.Weepy propaganda doesn't work on 3-rd year of war, sis.
>>488247731Russians hate Russian refugees in Russia, ..yet they want to pretend they're good guys caring to save Ukraine and the world at large from muh nazis. Lol.
>>488249676Retrement age grows on west too.But you care only about Russia, right? Why you just won't emigrate here?
>>488249644Be careful what you wish forImagine Medvedev, he'd nuke you for less than what you've done already
>>488249687>We can stay hostile to west, btwYeah, until your shithole collapses and your children are sucking dicks for food again.
>>488249862Medvedev is a midget alcoholic homofaggot that can only rant with his empty threats on telegram. He is too much of a pussy to actually do shit.
>>488247214I don't believe anything the Pentagon says about anything ever. They're legally required to lie in most cases.
>>488249862Cuckdvedev wouldn't have nuked anyone because all the oligarch kids live in the west. See >>488249676>ook ook nook nook!Is a fantasy of you HIVnationalists that you will finally stop being a worthless paper tiger shithole, but the reality (or should I say, realpolitik) is against you.
>>488249519that's literally what the freeganism movement is though, middle class people dumpster diving for environmentalism. if you genuinely believe that no one was doing it before them you're retarded.
>>488249687>We can stay hostile to west, btw. Sun rises on east now.Uh huh. Enjoy your latest collapse.>Weepy propagandaNothing weepy about this. Your people will suffer greatly. It is as inevitable as physics.But you CAN stop digging the hole any time.>>488249862>he'd nuke youYou have to have working nukes for that.At this point, the Norks probably have you beat on nuclear arsenals.
>>488250000He also posts nuke threats around 1AM Moscow time...ya know, when the bottle is running dry.
>>488249809>Retrement age grows on west too.Sure, because life expectancy is growing. In pidorasha it does not. in shelomovland male life expectancy is lower than male retirement age. In west, people still get 10-15 years of retirement.>Retrement age grows on west too. But you care only about RussiaYour post is idiotic. This thread is about pidor invasions of European country. Shelomov stoped paying men pensions to fund this war
>>488249878>until your shithole collapsesWhat if it will take another 70 years?West minds are too vulnerable for wishful thinking.
>>488250065I really hate wasting food, especially meat, but I wouldn't dumpster dive unless I was poor as shit.
>>488250196>70 years?You're actually delusional if you think it will take 70 years for your shithole to collapse AT TWENTY ONE PERCENT INTEREST RATES, with a planned increase (for now) to 23%.
>>488250196>What if it will take another 70 years?Lmao
>>488250000>>488250063You forget that Medvedev was no PutinHe tried to play nice with the West during his presidency, while Putin was focused on domestic issuesBut the West was not interestedThis is what radicalised MedvedevYou
>>488250319>He tried to play nice with the WestIt's hilarious you think Cuckdvedev was anything but a puppet for pinya to stuck his hand into his asshole.
>>488249203>pro-west cucks.retired pidor, shelomovs daughter married jew in netherlands. shelomovs whore lives in switzerland, where his son was born. every single pidor politician, general or oligarch has bank account in the westevery single son, daughter, wife and lover of every single pidor general,oligarch or politician lives in west:-(
>>488250124Is that really a gamble you're willing to make?
>>488250065Sis, bums are KNOWN USA problem. And you will tell me now, jow it's ther choice, and what all they receive social support, from food to medecine..
>>488250319Big words coming from a redditspacing pussy faggot hiding behind a flag. Also>He tried to play nice with the West during his presidencylmao
>>488250319>>488250415Dimon was just figurehead. But in reality so is shelomov. There is deep state in Rasha :-(
>>488250415Russia's foreign policy took a noticeable turn from 08-12
>>488250319>>488250415Also, dimons son spend entire life in USA untill he was deported. Same how shelomovs daughter was deported from Netherlands xDImagine if Trumps son was deported from DPRK. Same thing!
>>488250196>wishful thinkingMeanwhile, in reality: "Waiting for western collapse" has literally become THE strategy in Russia, and was the same one you were using before your last collapse.Forgetting about this is the consequence of letting your dictator write your history books.Serious question: In your little world: Why DOES Russia keep collapsing and the west doesn't?Are we "cheating"?>>488250472>Is that really a gamble you're willing to make?Yes. 100% Deus Fucking Vult, because the only alternative is to be cowed by threats forever.You wanna end the fucking world? DO IT PUSSY. Cuz in either event, you CAN'T HAVE IT.
>>488250495He really didHe thought maybe he could help USA finally get out of its cold war mindsetBut he was wrong. He underestimated American grudges
>>488250257War expends. At some point we even can return to more reliable planned economy. There's a space for us.
>>488250423I'll believe the >ook ook ook NOOK NOOK OOK! threats when the oligarch start pulling their kids out of the west, or at least, out of the big western cities.Until then, literally lmao.>>488250472Of course you little impotent retard.>>488250536It didn't take a noticeable turn since early 1900s. It was always >appear threatening -> turn out to be a weak shithole -> collapse -> beg west for help -> appear threatening...
>>488250673well the faggot thought wrong
>>488250529CopeRussia is controlled by ethnic RussiansUSA is controlled by Jews
>>488250673He tried to be so nice to the west that he invaded a sovereign country for an impotent landgrab, which followed the same route as the 2014 invasion of Ukraine lmao.
>>488250740BASEDASED
>>488250477holy fuck you're an actual retard, I know that there's a lot of homeless in the states. I'm saying it wasn't invented by the west and definetly not freegans. people all over the world have been stealing scraps since hundreds if not thousands of years ago.
>>488250677>At some point we even can return to more reliable planned economyAHAHAHAHAHAThere it is! Dreams of working gommunism!Sorry Sashka, that's not how it's going to work. First you suffer, starve, then die, and THEN you will experience 60 years of systemic rot during which the chosenites feast on backs of your retarded enslaved descendants!And THEN you collapse and your children suck dicks for money again.
>>488250795Shelomov is Udmurt + khazarMishustin is Armenian + khazar
>>488250795>ethnic RussiansThere is no such thing.This is why your officials always refer to "Russian speakers".The Soviets took pains to counter nationalism by promoting race-mixing.The result is modern Russia, with a genome that is literally just a genetic graveyard of Moscow's conquests.
>>488250983This cope againNo, Putin is not a JewAre there Jews in Russia? Yes. Most fled to USA but some stayedThese ones are on a tight leash held by Putin
dead generaldead country
>>488251130>No, Putin is not a Jew
>>488250646> Meanwhile, in reality: "Waiting for western collapse" has literally become THE strategy in Russia, and was the same one you were using before your last collapse.Economy depression DID happen ion your country. Where people were duing of huinger, while farmers were destroying food to keep food prices high. Doesn't count as collapse?What's worse, it's totally organic for capitalism.> Forgetting about this is the consequence of letting your dictator write your history books.Sis, "you dictator" takes not working with russians. We know that you are not friends and will no take your advices. Simple as.
>>488250677>At some point we even can return to more reliable planned economy.Please do it lmao. Unless this is a bait, which I have a feeling it is.
>>488250677>>488250966Memes aside every country has mixed economy with elements of free market and planned economy.
>>488251130Why do you use that spacing?
>>488251162He named every ethnic group in Russia in a moment of national unityHe also said "I am a Russian, I am a Tatar etc"
>>488251180You need to understand that a r*ssian brain is like a warped mirror.When they say "military discipline" they actually mean gay anal rapes.When they say "demilitarization" they actually mean invasion.When they say "brotherly nation" they actually mean genocide target.When they mean "planned economy" they don't mean economy, and certainly not planned.
>>488251130>Most fled to USAWrong. Why even lie on such subject, hmm?
>>488251130Shelomov is jewish last name and shelomov was kgb and communist party bureucrat>Most fled to USA but some stayedWhen will you retards understand that it doesen't mater where person lives?All of pidor oligarchs live in west. They didin't flee shelomov, they still own all the resources of Russia :-(
>>488250966> Sorry Sashka, that's not how it's going to work. First you suffer, starve, then die, and THEN you will experience 60 years of systemic rot during which the chosenites feast on backs of your retarded enslaved descendants!Replace "chosenites" on "capitalists" and compare to reality around youself.> And THEN you collapse and your children suck dicks for money again.You should tell doctor about your fantasies.
>>488251216To make my posts easier to readWalls of text can be a headache
>>488251168>Economy depression DID happen ion your country.>Doesn't count as collapse?No, Ivan, no it doesn't.You literally fucked your country so badly and for so long, that you didn't just have "a bunch of bankruptcies", you just had the whole thing GRIND TO A FUCKING HALT.You failed at economics literally as hard as any human beings can. Piling on short-term stop-gaps over and over (Just like now!) until it stopped working.
>>488251351>When they mean "planned economy" they don't mean economy, and certainly not planned.amazing joke
>>488251486>capitalistsIt always was and always will be kikes, except we don't pretend that they're based and trad and will save us from the evil and gay r*ssia.
>>488251499Are you sure that's why and it's not the other reason?
>>488251572In my mind "planned economy" is shit like US government cheese, basically.
>>488251257Why does he wear Kabbalah? Kabbalah is a jewish amulet that wards of demons.
>>488246161ukraine lost.
>>488251699Riddle me this my friendIf Putin is Jewish then why do Jews hate him so much? Did he betray them like Jesus?
>>488246161>moscow cosmopolitan ziggers are next on the chopping blockOH NONONONONONONONONONNONONONONOOOOOOO PUTINBROS WHAT HAPPENED TO ONLY USING ASIATIC MEAT FOR THE GRINDER
>>488251173A simple reminder: USSR carried out cold war + high teck + space program + supporting own bantustans + feeding negroes in AfricaCapitalistic Russia feels tired, fighting with only hohols.
>>488247017
>>488251843>why do Jews hate him so much?Do they?
>>488251885>Capitalistic Russia feels tired, fighting with only hohols.Yeah
>>488251843>If Putin is Jewish then why do Jews hate him so much?Israel does not sanction Russia or a single Russian oligarch. xD
>>488251563> if i believe in it, it will happen!Sorry, sis, magic is not so easy.
>>488251909Of courseIsraels puppets like USA are all opposed to RussiaJewish media seethes about Putin all the timeJewish media blames Russia for America's problems
>>488251885>space programThat was Ukrainians you fucking moron.>high techYou literally had to steal technology from the west. R3S off the top of my head.
>>488251982They don't have to because their satellites all doThis way they can play neutral because average normie thinks USA controls Israel and not the other way around
>>488251885>feeding negroes in AfricaCommie Ethiopia and Mozambique literally had famine and asked west for aid. USSR literally imported grain from west :-(
>>488252015> That was Ukrainians you fucking moron.> You literally had to steal technology from the west. R3S off the top of my head.
>>488252005Then why is Russian the most spoken unofficial language in Israel? Are you sure you aren't just calling anything that doesn't like Russia "Jewish" to suit your agenda? Anyways, why is he wearing Kabbalah? You kind of skimmed over that one.
>>488251994We're talking about math, Ivan.Its not a matter of faith, its just a matter of time.Why the fuck else would you be so desperate to convince us we can't win rather than just... y'know... WINNING.
>>488252143I accept your concession.
>>488252015>>488252143AFAIK Soviet space industry started in.... Russian Empire xD
>>488252066Wait, so your hilarious brown logic is:>Israel cannot let people see they control the US>Israel wants people to think US controls them>Therefore Israel pretends to be neutralFucking hilarious
The funniest fucking thing is that chinx are capable of rapidly getting their heads out of their fucking asses. Something that r*ssians can't do for over 100 years now.Don't get me wrong, shina is still a shithole, but it's LESS of a shithole now. The improvements are visible, and while they're still horrible bugmen, their society is very slowly, at a glacial pace, unfucking itself.The Zigger is still the exact same in 2020s as he was in 1920s. Even worse, I would argue. In 1920s the serfs at least (theoretically) owned their land. Yeah, it was the boyar's or tsar's, but it was "their" home.Now the average r*ssian can't afford butter, works like a slave, gets beaten by churkas, raped by buryats, and his women fuck chinx instead because they have a higher standard of living, all while pinya sucks off the chechens which were murdering your people just short 20 years ago and begs ACTUAL UNIRONIC NORKS for weaponry.How do you fuck up this bad? How do you manage to still support this? If I was r*ssian, I'd already be making mass quantities of TATP and buying drones to kill that bald retarded shithead, but then again, I wouldn't be r*ssian!
>>488252686The explanation is actually very elementary, dear Watson. Russian man is genetically predisposed and culturally and socially shaped to be the biggest cuc k on the planet and take everything without ever raising his voice.
>>488251351>and certainly not planned.>>488251572>amazing jokeIt's not a joke. Soviet "planned" economy was run(ruined) not by planning and micromanagement, as a misconception goes, but by higher level managers simply setting up the goal numbers for lower level managers and not giving a fuck how those numbers were achieved in practice, just letting thing sort out themselves, wild fucking west style.That meant that low level management was absolutely RAPING bits of the country they were in control, and as long as they met the quotas their superiors didn't know and didn't care. Kinda like colonial governors did in the old times.Famous example is the Ryazan Miraclehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryazan_miracleBut that's the large scale raping that got found and exposed, stuff like that just kept happening until the very end.So, ironically enough, yes, USSR could neither into planning nor into regulation.
Here is a planned economy joke:Seven wonders of planned economy:1. There is no unemployment.2. Even if there is no unemployment, nobody does anything.3. Even if no one does anything, the plan is fulfilled.4.Even if the plan is being fulfilled, the goods are missing.5. Even if there is a shortage of goods, everyone gets everything.6. Even if everyone gets everything, everyone steals.7. Even if everyone steals, nothing is missing anywhere.
https://files.catbox.moe/jtiscc.mp4
>>488253955>Too scared to post source
>>488253379>but by higher level managers simply setting up the goal numbers for lower level managers and not giving a fuck how those numbers were achieved in practice, just letting thing sort out themselves, wild fucking west style.Actually, it's a problem of realisation, but not of the whole idea of planned economy. Huge companies like Coka-Cola are planned inside, and manage to work, even existion on differens continents and in differens countries with own laws.
>>488253955Also>20 days without water
>>488254134>Actually, it's a problem of realisationThe problems are linked.By turning basic economic decisions into government policy (especially in an insanely prideful country like Russia), you make every success and failure into a matter of national prestige.Thus, failures may never happen.Thus, failures are covered-up to prevent punishments.Thus, "Everything always succeeds" until the day it all fails.And this is Russian history when its NOT written by Putin.
Ah my favorite commie/nigger/jewish/leftist/russian tactic: always accuse your enemy of what you yourself are doing.
>>488254542Kind of like that article I read yesterday how the government said that butter is becoming more expensive because Russians got rich and began to eat a lot
>>488254542>By turning basic economic decisions into government policy (especially in an insanely prideful country like Russia), you make every success and failure into a matter of national prestige.And here we make another straw man.Companies have "prestige" too, own burocracy apparatus, scapegoats etc. But they function.Problem of "communism" is the whole capitalistic nobility becomes useless. And now they have power and riches, and not willing to loose it all. And use them to washbrain poor cucks, that in communism will be all worse.
>>488254215Hibernating krecik ukrops.
>>488255184>Companies have "prestige" tooAnd companies also fail. Your point?
>>488255184>Companies have "prestige" tooBut when there's more than one (i.e. not just the government), then the ones who pick up bad habits get punished for it because they have to compete.Russia just fails, lies about its failures, and then continues on like that until it collapses.TL;DR A company CAN go into denial and bury its failures, but then it has about as much success as Russia.
>>488254134>it's a problem of realisation, but not of the whole idea of planned economy.>Huge companies like Coka-Cola are planned inside, and manage to work,That's exactly my point.Planning requires knowledge of how the system works and top down control to ensure no funny business happens on corporate/state property.Yet CPSU had too little of both to turn their monolithic, monopolistic control into anything more than predatory exploitation.Moscow and St.Petersburg/Leningrad acting as metropole and everything outside getting colonial treatment.>>488255184>Companies have "prestige" too, own burocracy apparatus, scapegoats etc. But they function.The difference is, companies have a power above them, forcing them to compete and function under strict rules and they have competition from their peers, also enforced from above.Companies have no other way to survive, but to make money off selling goods and services.Single party state has neither.It answers to noone, it has no internal competition and it can make up any laws it wants.It can simply take all the money and resources it wants.And when that doesn't work, then it just uses violence, on which it holds monopoly.
>>488255466> But when there's more than one (i.e. not just the government), then the ones who pick up bad habits get punished for it because they have to compete.Stale propaganda trope. In reality such feedback simply won't let companiet to grow big.In reality, as we see, they flourish. No, big structures have to have inner self-reparing policies to live.I repeat: gist is capitalists' interests to keep their riches and hand them over to descendants. The rest is propaganda lies.
>>488256036So you are just a coping commie?
>>488246916Holy shit, based on daily losses so they will lose up to 10,000 killed in order to get a 18,000 town?What is this fucking clown world, are these ziggers serious? Is this some Hail Mary attempt to capture at least Donbabwe before Trump stops their chimpout?Cause so far they have lost all their strategic objectives, and ziggers don't seem to be willing to comment on this.
>>488255843> Moscow and St.Petersburg/Leningrad acting as metropole and everything outside getting colonial treatment.And Chechnya counts as metropoly for them, in your fantasy scheme?> The difference is, companies have a power above them, forcing them to compete and function under strict rules and they have competition from their peers, also enforced from above.Who is over company to "force to compete"? Share holders are interested at first place to become monopolists, and would gladly participate in corruption about "company measures" to earn on speculations.> Companies have no other way to survive, but to make money off selling goods and services.The same is for goverment with plan economy: where it gain resources? Produce itself, ofcourse.> Single party state has neither.And another stawman arrives.Communism IS COMPATIBLE with democracy. Even more, it should give benefits: without rich oligarhs, there will be noone to bribe or finance candidats.> It can simply take all the money and resources it wants.Where, silly? Make order to have 500t of steel?
>>488256296Whats it like fighting for sex change surgeries? Do you feel accomplished from insuring fag rights every day?
>>488256723> ru losses cope
>>488256852>Communism IS COMPATIBLE with democracykeking and jejing hard. Bunkertrannies like you should go back to the /chug/ discord and never return.
>>488256991Care to comment on the losses and strategic objectives?
>>488256723someone post the village war monuments to village population ratios
>>488256036>gist is capitalists' interests to keep their riches and hand them over to descendants.>The rest is propaganda lies.Everything you say is projection.Capitalism has "poor people" with a better standard of living than kings.Meanwhile, Point of fact: Socialism is the scam by which the people are robbed of their wealth by being told that wealth is aboloished.That is what an ACTUAL scam looks like, and the rest is propaganda lies.
>>488257008> Y-YOU LIE! WE COULDN'T BE LIED IN FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS OF OUR SOCIETY!One day you learn that i was right.>>488257069> Care to comment on the losses and strategic objectives?Sure, as long as numbers from reliable sources arrive. For now thay are classified for both sides, so we can see only ru front advance.
>>488256991Ivan, even though you're a subhuman and don't value the lives your countrymen, their death's are still a depletion of your military's power and are leading to your country's humiliating defeat.
>>488257392>Capitalism has "poor people" with a better standard of living than kings.Better that who? You comparing your metropoly life standarts with colonial in africas? But SU had better that them too.And in those dumpsters we see the same capitalism.>Meanwhile, Point of fact: Socialism is the scam by which the people are robbed of their wealth by being told that wealth is aboloished.Weak. Try better.
>>488248285POINTLESSNESSIn October 1994, Susan Smith attracted national attention when she claimed that a carjacker had forced her from her Mazda at gunpoint and then driven away, with her three-year-old and fourteen-month-old sons still strapped in the car. More than a week later, the nationwide hunt for the kidnapper and the two boys ended when Smith confessed to investigators that she had deliberately driver the car into a lake and left her sons to drown. Commentators made much of Smith's claim that the carjacker was a black male; they charged that white racism led people to accept Smith's story. But none of these commentators questioned the readiness of the press and the public to believe a story about a carjacker abducting two little boys and stealing a four-year-old compact car from a small town in South Caroline. Why would a carjacker do that? That's just the kind of thing they do.The fear of random violence means we no longer expect violence to be purposeful. When we hear about Pamela Basu dragged to her death by carjackers, or an innocent passerby shot in a drive-by, or a teenager killed over a pair of gym shoes, we say the violence is pointless, that it lacks any reasonable motivation. No one should die in a fight over gym shoes. When such tragedies occur - and they do - the very pointlessness of the deaths makes them seem even more tragic (O'Neal 1997).
>>488257827Precisely because they are horrific, these cases become the subjects of extensive media coverage, coverage that transforms them from terrible tragedies - remarkable "incidents" - into typical examples - or "instances" - of carjacking, drive-bys, or the larger problem of random violence. These horror stories make powerful examples precisely because they make no sense: "Random violence provides no such mark of intelligibility and moves with a heightened ambiguity. As explanations contest one another, the status of random crime increases to the level of general societal threat" (Acland 1995: 49). Because horror stories capture moments of seemingly random violence, they exemplify what the media claim is an epidemic of random violence bedeviling the larger society. Some people die in terrible, apparently pointless ways. If, instead of viewing those deaths as extraordinary tragedies, we turn them into typifying examples, then we've given shape to the larger problem of random violence. Whether violence makes sense, of course, depends upon who is making the evaluation. People who commit violent acts have their reasons. When asked, they may say they attacked their victims because they were angry or because they wanted to maintain their reputation for toughness or because they wanted to intimidate the victim into compliance. Of course, we usually reject the reasons offenders give; we say they are not good reasons, not valid or sensible, that they are senseless from the larger society's perspective. Thus, claims about senseless violence discount offenders' explanations as irrelevant.
cheburashka has been killed in ukraine
>>488255466>But when there's more than one (i.e. not just the government), then the ones who pick up bad habits get punished for it because they have to compete.Yes! And with the absolute state monopoly, it is it's own judge and it is it's own jury.And, strangely enough, it would never find itself guilty. >>488256036>In reality such feedback simply won't let companiet to grow big.Companies grow big by producing and selling more goods and more services and increasing quality of said goods and services.You can literally go on the marketplace like Steam and watch, live, how better games get better sales, allowing for more games to be made and for studios to expand, while failures just give up or become content to survive on bare bones asset flips.Regulations simply prevent them from doing things like murdering competitors CEOs, burning down competitor's factories and threatening their workers with death sentences if they try to leave to a competitor.Y'know, stuff that a sovereign, monopolistic state absolutely can do, bypassing the need to care about what customers want.
>>488256852>big structures have to have inner self-reparing policies to live.Big structures eventually collapse under their own weight and ever increasing auto-cannibalism.Head of "Concord"? Millions of dollars taken out of corporate budget just to end up in the pockets of few corporate employees, while producing nothing but massive losses or the corporation as a whole.>And Chechnya counts as metropoly for themWhy would Chechnya be a metropole for USSR?>Who is over company to "force to compete"?Government and it's laws. Who the fuck else? Because government lives off taxes, so it's interested in corporations constantly competing and producing things.>Share holders are interested at first place to become monopolistsAnd government is not. And government is stronger, so it forces corporations to WORK and COMPETE, instead of cornering the market and just sitting on their asses, never doing anything else.>The same is for goverment with plan economy: where it gain resources? Produce itself, ofcourse.Not the same. Corporations are forced to produce more and better things. Monopolistic government can just directly force population to work and pay or else.>Communism IS COMPATIBLECommunism is impossible. Unless you are a body snatcher, Borg or Pseudo-Arachnid. And I don't mean nuBorg with shitty queens. I mean OG Borg, a homogenous superorganism hivemind.>Where, silly? Make order to have 500t of steel?Yes, literally. Five Year Plans were literally demanding to have N% increase in stuff like coal and steel production from lower management under the threat of punishment.
>>488257419>One day you learn that i was right.YWNBAW>Sure, as long as numbers from reliable sources arrive. For now thay are classified for both sides, so we can see only ru front advance.One side has been quite accurate so far, the other is Russia. Standard losses are 6:1 from the attackers, your barrier troop formations are even worse. Make of it what you will, but we can literally see hundreds of corpses in some videos, which are not sleeping soldiers, but the blown up future of your country as you move towards a demographic collapse. I am happy to know I will live to both see Russia forming back in '91 and collapsing in what I guess would be another 10-15 years.Estimates put your losses as high as 1900, I reckon they are lower, about 1400-1500 daily, accounting to overreporting.Think about that. Lowest band estimate would put your losses are 30,000 per month, normal estimates at about 45,000, higher would go near 60,000.But hey, grats for advancing a kilometer, I guess. Russia really needed more land and bombed out towns.
>>488257891There are at least two problems with this line of reasoning. The first is one of perspective. We - the larger society - reject the notion that there is ever a good reason for a drive-by shooting or a lethal fight over gym shoes. This makes violence pointless - but pointless by definition. The logic is circular; violence is pointless because violence is pointless. But from a different perspective, that of the participants in the shootings and fights, the violence may seem sensible - a means of proving oneself or dominating others or getting revenge and so on. Consider again the very high homicide death rates for young black males in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Criminologists offer a historical account for what happened during that period (Blumstein 1995; Brownstein 1996). When the inner-city trade in crack took off in the mid-1980s, the potentially high profits from dealing drugs created an intense, violent competition for control over the crack marketplace, and competitors spent a portion of their profits to arm themselves, buying more - and more powerful - guns. Gangs sometimes became participants in this struggle. In addition, a growing proportion of youths who were not involved in gangs or the drug trade became concerned for their safety, and they began carrying weapons to protect themselves (Sheley and Wright 1995). Increasingly, minor disputes involved youths who were armed, and who sometimes used their weapons. (According to this explanation, homicide rates began to fall in the mid-1990s as control over the crack market consolidated, reducing the violent competition to control the drug trade.) The net result of these processes was a rising youth homicide rate, particularly in black ghettos. From the view of the larger society, each killing was a pointless tragedy, but for the participants, money, power, and prestige often were at stake.
>>488257931> Companies grow big by producing and selling more goods and more services and increasing quality of said goods and services.You act like cornered believer: talk off youdefl from "dangerous" points.> Y'know, stuff that a sovereign, monopolistic state absolutely can do, bypassing the need to care about what customers want.So, i wait for differences. Even monopolostic country ruled by Stalin himself cannot JUST order steel to appear in stock.
>A memorial to the Russian occupiers liquidated in Ukraine.>Roshchinsky, Samara Oblast, Russia, population ca 8 100.>Aprox 27 per stone, 130 in total. Or 1,58% of total population
>>488258180Of course, it is always possible to identify cases where no one claims that the violence made sense - for example, the uninvolved bystander accidentally killed by a stray bullet fired during a drive-by. There are true, terrible reports of such events. The question is what we should make of these stories. This is the second problem with assertions of pointlessness: when we use, say, the death of an innocent bystander to typify the problem of contemporary violence, we stack the deck. We ignore the killings that occur between rival gangs, between competing drug dealers, between people who have become so angry or ashamed or jealous or frightened of each other that violence escalates. There is a paradox; although we consider homicide to be especially terrible, the most serious crime, most homocides are products of mundane motives; they aren't all that newsworthy and they don't get that much press coverage (Luckenbill 1977). In contrast, the press is drawn to the most bizarre, the most frightening, the most pointless killings. Reporters rush to tell these stories, but then convert them into representative instances of contemporary violence. To call violence pointless is to ignore the situations in which it emerges, and the meanings most violence has for the perpetrators and, often, their victims.
Trump picked Pete Hegseth as the next Defense Secretaryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_NxEpiql0i dont know what to think of this LMAO, he seems based though
>>488258576he served in the 101st airborne
>>488257687>Weak. Try better.I'm not the moron who fell for it, Ivan. That was you people.>Better that who?Kings, referring to the medieval ones.It USED TO BE that there was just a few people in an entire country who had access to ANY luxuries whatsoever.Then capitalism happened, and yadda yadda yadda we all have the 2001 Monolith in our pockets while in Russia, outhouses are still common.
>>488256866>Whats it like fighting for sex change surgeries? Do you feel accomplished from insuring fag rights every day?that's a czech flag not iranian
>>488257995>Big structures eventually collapse under their own weight and ever increasing auto-cannibalism.And now we look at gigant internationl companies in reality and saying "ack!". Stale propaganda noncense, still in use in Latvia.>Head of "Concord"? Millions of dollars taken out of corporate budget just to end up in the pockets of few corporate employees, while producing nothing but massive losses or the corporation as a whole.Yes, corruption works just fine in capitalism. And?> Why would Chechnya be a metropole for USSR?I don't know, it's your "plan of Russia". There's no Chechnya in it?> Government and it's laws. Who the fuck else? Because government lives off taxes, so it's interested in corporations constantly competing and producing things.>And government is not. And government is stronger, so it forces corporations to WORK and COMPETE, instead of cornering the market and just sitting on their asses, never doing anything else.Now you trust goverment as regilator. So, why can't if just watch its goverment producing departments, again?>Not the same. Corporations are forced to produce more and better things. Monopolistic government can just directly force population to work and pay or else.>Communism is impossible. Unless you are a body snatcher, Borg or Pseudo-Arachnid. And I don't mean nuBorg with shitty queens. I mean OG Borg, a homogenous superorganism hivemind.A believer mindset. Too coward to question your religion.> Yes, literally. Five Year Plans were literally demanding to have N% increase in stuff like coal and steel production from lower management under the threat of punishment.And so, steel just appears in fear of punishment?
>>488258000> losses are 6:1> barrier troop formations> about 1400-1500 dailyOk, dwell in your echochamber for now.
>>488258254>You act like cornered believer: talk off youdefl from "dangerous" points....Where do you THINK private enterpises get money for expansion, then?> Even monopolostic country ruled by Stalin himself cannot JUST order steel to appear in stock.It can order it's citizens to produce it, under threat of punishment.>So, i wait for differencesI literally described them already.A private business has government overlords preventing it from stealing from competition, from using forced labor and from forcing their customers to stay as their customers.A monopolistic government has no one above it, can take anything the population produces, can force population to fulfill quotas and can forbid population (government's customers) from escaping to another country.
Trump winning was definitely not in Ukraine's best interest. Their next best bet is to manipulate trump into doing the whole neocon/neolib game anyway. Not sure if it's going to work. Ukraine might want a backup plan
>>488259116Reminder: If there was literally anything else happening other than "Russians getting slaughtered", then Russia would have won already.
>>488259244Reminder:Regardless of what the bunkertranny says, on average 120 ziggers have died since this thread was made.
>somebody is still stuck on "Tump will save russia!"LMFAO
>>488259460they didn't the the new>trump was already defacto in natocope
>>488259143>...Where do you THINK private enterpises get money for expansion, then?> (more stupid questions to avoid dangerous points)> It can order it's citizens to produce it, under threat of punishment.Cannot, idiot. To smelt steel, huge industiries shoould be built before, from mines and roads to there, till smelters. It's lots of resources and management, that won't fit into your strawman Stalin, ordering steel.> I literally described them already.You didn't.> A private business has government overlords preventing it from stealing from competition, from using forced labor and from forcing their customers to stay as their customers.> le magic competition.You literally worshipping it. Tell me:- who competes with Google?- is USA interested in loosing Google's world dominance?> A monopolistic government has no one above it, can take anything the population produces, can force population to fulfill quotas and can forbid population (government's customers) from escaping to another country.Even monopolist capped with rules of reality. Ordering steel not working there.
>>488259242> Ukraine might want a backup planThey already removed Trump from "Mirotvorets" (site of enemies of state), and planning mural with him in Kiev.
>>488259003>Yes, corruption works just fine in capitalism. When corporations become too big to care, so they start to devour themselves.No look at a monopolist state, which is the biggest corporation of all.>I don't know, it's your "plan of Russia". There's no Chechnya in it?Why would there by Chechnya in USSR's power structure?>So, why can't if just watch its goverment producing departments, again?Because monopolistic government has no incentive to expand and improve their production.Why would USSR produce better car than Zhiguli? Population can't choose to drive Ford anyway. They have no choice.Why would USSR produce more cars, than they do? They won't go bankrupt even if not a single Zhiguli sells.Why would BMW produce a better car than Ford? Because their customers will drive Ford otherwise. They have a choice.Why would BMW produce more cars, than they do? Because if they don't produce cars, they go bankrupt.>And so, steel just appears in fear of punishment?People in mines work out of fear of punishment.People in steel mills work out of fear of punishment.
>>488259460Russia doesn't need Zognald to "save" it. If he wants to betray his kike masters and start negotiating a peace deal then that's great, but I don't think he will. He's already filling his cabinet with neocons (just like last time, what a surprise).
>>488260458>Back to being negative on TrumpOof. You hate to see it.
>>488260368>When corporations become too big to care, so they start to devour themselves....and will be overplaues with lesser but fresh companies. Old pro-capitalism propaganda bullshit.>>So, why can't if just watch its goverment producing departments, again?>Because monopolistic government has no incentive to expand and improve their production.Goverment not interested in supplying polulations' and own needs with good stuff? Really?>Why would USSR produce better car than Zhiguli? Population can't choose to drive Ford anyway. They have no choice.>Why would USSR produce more cars, than they do? They won't go bankrupt even if not a single Zhiguli sells.>Why would BMW produce a better car than Ford? Because their customers will drive Ford otherwise. They have a choice.>Why would BMW produce more cars, than they do? Because if they don't produce cars, they go bankrupt.In free market we just loosing own car production at all. Better?> People in mines work out of fear of punishment.> People in steel mills work out of fear of punishment.Mines grow from land in fear.And plants grow in fear.Excelent explaination. For retard.
>>488260867I've always been negative on Trump. So have Russians in my experience. Despite the amerikike media narrative that Zognald is a Russian puppet, actual Russians can't stand the guy because he's a zognigger who is constantly disparaging and threatening Russia's allies.
>>488251130>No, Putin is not a JewRefer to picrel>These ones are on a tight leash held by PutinOh great, this cope again.
>>488259800>>...Where do you THINK private enterpises get money for expansion, then?>> (more stupid questions to avoid dangerous points)No, answer the question. Where would a business get money for expansion?> To smelt steel, huge industiries shoould be built before,By people, who will go to prison if they don't build them or by people who are already in prison and will get murdered if they don't build them.> It's lots of resourcesYes, obviously.>and managementManagement that only cares about hitting quotas.>that won't fit into your strawman Stalin,I never strawmnanned Stalin.You seem to strawman me, tho.>who competes with Google?Almost nobody. That's why they get shittier and shittier. No competition = no need to improve.Because customers have no alternative choice.Just like population of USSR had no choice in which country they live in, because leaving USSR without government permission was literally forbidden.>Ordering steel not working there.And here's the strawman. I didn't say an inanimate object "steel" is ordered to do something.I said people are forced to produce it.
>>488259921When was he ever on there?
>>488260937>Goverment not interested in supplying polulationsOnly the minimum to prevent population from rebelling/starving.> and own needs with good stuff?They are of course interested in fulfilling their own needs. And they do.But population gets nothing of it.>Mines grow from land in fear.I never fucking said that.Mines are built by people.And people who build those mines are working out of fear of punishment.You know what forced labour is?
>>488261296> No, answer the question. Where would a business get money for expansion?1. From own profit2. From investors3. From bank loansHow is this related?>By people, who will go to prison if they don't build them or by people who are already in prison and will get murdered if they don't build them.It's a slaveru, not communism. Also, looks like capitalism too, where people starve and get homes, if have problems with employer.> Management that only cares about hitting quotas.Another stupid lie.> Almost nobody. That's why they get shittier and shittier. No competition = no need to improve.> Because customers have no alternative choice.And still posess www part of internet.Also, you "forgot" another question:> - is USA interested in loosing Google's world dominance?> And here's the strawman. I didn't say an inanimate object "steel" is ordered to do something.> I said people are forced to produce it.And i repeat again: steel cannot be produced by bare hands. Lots of capital and management required, what you keep cowardly denying.
>>488261315Before. He told something in interviewsm what angered hohols, and they added him. As he had won, removed.>>488261750> Only the minimum to prevent population from rebelling/starving.> They are of course interested in fulfilling their own needs. And they do.> But population gets nothing of it.Goverment can be democratic, i remind.> I never fucking said that.> Mines are built by people.By labor AND resources.> And people who build those mines are working out of fear of punishment.> You know what forced labour is?Explain me your fanasies on example of USSR.
>>488262455>and they added himMay I see the archived link
>>488259244Reminder: You're a faggot, you will always be a faggot, and ukraine is getting raped rn KEKAROO
A government without checks is not accountable to its people and therefore has no reason to improve itself or better its standard of living.
>>488262622No, we have this site banned. And i don't know how to watch archives.
>ARRRGGGHHH BANDERA SAVE ME ARRGGHH
>Dying for blackrock unironically
Summer in crimea when?
>>488262897> govermnent, which purpose is to serve people, is not accountable> capitalists, openly pursuing only own profit - that's whom i trust!A cuck mindset.
>>488262943May I see any evidence at all?
>TOTAL ZIGGER DEAT-ACK
>>488263236Ru sources. Hohols' news are banned, you can check there.
May we get a thank you to our greatest trans-ally Russia for giving Ukrops free bottom surgery
WHO WILL WIN?KEKAROOOROORAKEK
Haha dead Ukroniggers
>>488263169>to serve the peoplelol, lmao, theyre only there to serve themselves, so same flawed logic you have for capitalism except this time the self serving people get to control everything instead of only their own capital
>>488263169Yes, a bad company that can't make a profit fails. A bad government that can't even feed its own people can still remain in power.
>Day 3,875 of the 2-day anti-terrorist operation
>>488263344>Ru sourcesMay I see them?
>>488263645Lmao imagine not being able to beat your cuck non-nuclear neighbor after ten years
Kursk offensyiv status?
>>488263551If goverment is corrupted, it's "broken" and can be fixed.Capitalists' egoism is normal. Just wait, till they rise food prices in time of hunger, to earn more on people's perils.
>>488263774>the government will investigate itself and fix its own corruptionman you are retarded
>>488246161>NK soldiers are a disaster >Putin starting to mobilize MoscovitesYeah I now see why Putin is willing to suck Trump's dick for a peace plan.
>>488263600Bad company can still have profit, by selling low quality goods. Look at pharma, selling gomeopathy: it's more profitable than heroin trading. Stop worshipping the rich ones.>>488263655https://sevastopol.su/news/trampa-udalili-iz-bazy-dannykh-ukrainskogo-mirotvorcaActually, this one insists, that Trump was removed long before victory, in 2018:https://www.kp.ru/online/news/6079608/
>>488263774>If goverment is corrupted, it's "broken" and can be fixed.Well? The entire world is waiting for you to "fix" Putin.
>>488263941>Putin is willing to suck Trump's dickNobody is saying this except Zognald.
>>488263880> nothing can fix goverment, he only have to worship billionairs
>>488264144>2018Of course
>>488262025>1. From own profitAnd profit of a business depends on how many goods and services it sells.More goods and services = more profit. Better goods and services = more profit.So businesses have incentive to make more goods and services and better goods and services.Otherwise customers will start buying competitors goods and services, giving their money to them instead. So business will run out of moneyBut that only holds true, when customers can leave.If customers can ONLY buy goods and services from a single business, that business will always get all of their money, no matter how shitty their goods and services are.And if all available goods and services are produced by a single business, that business will only produce enough of high quality goods and services to satisfy the needs of the management, because putting more effort into production has no practical purpose.
>>488262455>steel cannot be produced by bare handsI never said it can.I said, you can force people to produce it.>Lots of capital and management required, what you keep cowardly denying.I never denied that, that's a strawman argument.Capital belongs to the state, management is part of the state.>By labor AND resources.Yes.I never claimed USSR did things without either.>Explain me your fanasies on example of USSR.Are you denying the very concept of forced labor?1. USSR population was not allowed to leave the country. By exit visa laws.That means population could not sell their labor to the highest bidder, like workers can when choosing between which business to work for.That means they can only work for government for whatever compensation government gives them. Monopsony - only one buyer.2. USSR population was not allowed to choose not to work. By anti-slacker laws.But since there are no employers except the government, everyone must work and must work for government.3. If all of population WILL work, and will work for government only, there is no reason for the government to give them anything above absolute minimum. Population cannot refuse anyway.4. If population wants something that government does not produce, they are NOT ALLOWED to produce it themselves. It's called "non-labor income" laws.So if there is a deficit of toilet paper, you cannot gather some start up money, hire your own workers and start making it in your garage for profit.
>>488264237shut up retard you are clearly underage or something
>>488264237Yes, fundamentally a country that has unaccountable policies is pretty much unable to uncorrupt itself since such system is built to sustain that graft. A company can become like that if monopolies and protective trusts form, but the loss of consumer confidence is always a persistent concern. A totalitarian government has little to fear from the bottom taxpayers though.
I still stand by this prediction https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/457315887/#457316265
>>488264758>A totalitarian government has little to fear from the bottom taxpayers though.Totalitarian government can even drop the concept of monetary taxes all together, for some populism points. I think Mao did something like that with rent or something?It already owns everything and it can extract value from population directly.Guys, I think I'm wasting my time talking to the cartoontard.Have a good night everyone and have a nice TZD.
>>488265318All you guys have to do is promise a statue of Trump and he'll make sure every zigger is dead.
>That one screeching about capitalism muscovite child ITTIt’s fascinating to observe how their new generation morphs into the generation of their own grandparents. Or maybe they just get used to their new 3rd world nigger churka worldwide best friends who are all poor and communists, so they are forced to read the room. Fucking hilarious either way, muscovites deserve their own retardation.
>>488265651>That one screeching about capitalism muscovite child ITTHe literally understands the "why bother" ideology of monopolies, yet he keeps resetting to "nuhuh, but if government, that different!" shit.It is so tiresome.
>>488246916Is Kurakhove the town that's 12km from the Feb 2022 starting pointing?
>>488265318Zelensky (if he is smart) well emphasize how the Biden admin had hamstrung them with endless restrictions and basically won't allow Ukraine to win the war. "It's Vietnam all over again Donald, I'm telling ya! We wanna win but those losers wouldn't let us." This, combined with Royissa 1 broadcasting nudes of Melania might be enough to get Trump to drop all restrictions and go for 'winning bigly'.
>>488265318Sorry but this is a massive cope. Trump hates war that's not for Israel and he will throw you under the bus. Maybe in 20 years or so, Ukraine can get a new independence movement started, until then it's Russian rule for you.
>>488263244why are they wearing Russian uniforms?
>>488264479> another chanting of pro-capitalism stale propagandaSis, we already livei n capitalism, and know a lot about it.Why avoiding ansver this:> - is USA interested in loosing Google's world dominance?>>488264518> I said, you can force people to produce it.People are not forced to smelt steel. Stop lying already.> Are you denying the very concept of forced labor?> 1. USSR population was not allowed to leave the country. By exit visa laws.It is not "forced labour".> 2. USSR population was not allowed to choose not to work. By anti-slacker laws.Yes, anti-criminal measure. How would you live, if not have work?> 3. If all of population WILL work, and will work for government only, there is no reason for the government to give them anything above absolute minimum.Population cannot refuse anyway.But in reality, population were groving and improoving it life levels. While now lots of people cannot afford to have kids, because it's too expensive.Your parents or grand-parenst were living in USSR, why lie on purpose?> 4. If population wants something that government does not produce, they are NOT ALLOWED to produce it themselves. It's called "non-labor income" laws.- they could, but for themselves.- there were "cooperatives", "artels", exactly for cooperated production, even is planned economy> So if there is a deficit of toilet paper, you cannot gather some start up money, hire your own workers and start making it in your garage for profit."Toilet paper" myth, again.5. You have forgotten (or more likely don't know) the condition, when soviet people really obligated to work.
>>488266122you lost honey
>>488264655> hands avay from my billioners' profits, ree!>>488264758> but the loss of consumer confidence is always a persistent concernFlaw is there. In reality, you go to shop, buy, what IS produced, and have no leverage to force them produce another (or improove quality).
>>488266207I have no horse in this race, but it is pretty obvious that Trump is gonna hand Ukraine over the Russia. Honestly, it might be for the best. Ukraine has a huge problem with corruption and maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing for Putin to take over the whole damn thing and clean house. We've seen what he's capable of. Maybe one day Ukrainians will love Putin as much as Chechens do.
>>488266415>Ukraine has a huge problem with corruption and maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing for Putin to take over the whole damn thing and clean house
>>488266415no one is celebrating here in Carolina oblast
>>488266415>I have no horse in this race>says stupid zigger shit from 2022kek
>>488266803Not to mention that the faggot is IP switching every post
>>488266415>Putin>clean up corruption With his own corruption?
Going to screencap this nigger and put him into possible the most retarded post ever folder
>>488265394>>488265984I distinctly remember him making strong pro-Ukrainian statements and the ziggers were thrown throwing fits by it. Most likely, he was breaking the demonizing image the media was trying to create around him, but we'll see. He tried to win the election, and that was his goal, he won it. Now the guys with black briefcases and intelligence will tell him what decisions are better to make and what are not. The guy was right on the NordStream, he gave us the first lethal aid while the Obama administration was demilitarizing us and Biden's been giving zero fucks about signed lend-lease in recent years. This war is very fucking profitable to the US so whoever is leading the states wont just say no to the MIC, the new administration will probably bait Europeans into going in more. We'll see. >>488266122лмao (lmao)
>>488246161all according to plan
Meanwhile in Odessa voenkomat:https://2ch.life/wm/src/3892965/17314672123590.mp4https://2ch.life/wm/src/3892965/17314672124121.mp4
>>488267344The silver lining is Trump won't make a deal with Putin unless he get something in return or Ukraine offers him something better. Putin lost all the leverage he had with Kursk being occupied.
>>488267568> Putin lost all the leverage he had with Kursk being occupied.
>>488266404Yes that's why I mentioned antitrust and monopolies retard
>>488267344He has never said ANYTHING negative publicly about either Ukraine or Zelensky. Not once. His only complaint is about Europe not doing enough and not spending on defense, which has been something he's complained about for a decade now...and was proven right. So much of the shit was just shills claiming "Trump thinks X" and trying to push/manipulate him through it basically. Zerohedge specializes in this...but their commentors are fucking seething lately.
>>488267568>or Ukraine offers him something better.Zelensky offers him resources and AFU guarding Europe instead of American troops (not all of them of course). But there is probably something else unknown to the public. Russian TV is hysterical about Trump, they even popped the champagne in 2016 when he was first elected, and how did that turn out?
>>488267568>Putin lost all the leverage he had with Kursk being occupied.Why do you think he's sacrificing 1000 Russians a day to try and get it back before Trump's inauguration?
>>488267521what kind of drugs is he on?
>>488268253> guarding Europe instead of American troops> Щит of Europe
>>488246916I mean, it sure sounds impressive when you say "advanced 1200 meters". I walk farther than that to buy snacks.
>>488268369It's likely mental degenerate (or masterfully pretending).
>>488268467> winning too slowBut you clearly not killing thousanads of hohols on your way.
>>488268383Is your mobilized chmobik dad aware that you're writing in the Anglo-Saxon language on an enemy website at a time like this?
Ass-gaping and cock-sucking ruzzpidors already cry and cope about Trump that will save their churka-infested shithole?
>after non stop anti trump posts /uhg/ is suddenly gonna act like they love himNo amount of cock sucking will save you. Trump is gonna help Putin carve you up into a tiny landlocked country
>>488268648I can't wait when the Putinbots turn on Trump like they did during Syria
>>488268648Did you open a bottle of champagne, tranny zizter?
>>488268639> those projections
>>488268253Trump isn't interested in Ukraine's "resources". Ukraine is a poor country and he's not predatory like the chinks are with Russia. He wants to appear strong and Russia has massively fucked up the past couple days. I think he'd be much more interested in Ukraine buying weapons from American companies, doing security stuff so the US doesn't have to, and also doing business with American companies generally. Like the natural gas that Ukraine has and American fracking companies are the best in the world at extracting gas. This is the kind of stuff that would appeal to Trump.
>>488268806Anyone who thought Trump would go against the MIC is a retard.
>>488268383How are the Russian peacekeepers in Africa and Armenia doing these days?
>>4882688381. Ukraine has valuable agro lands (will be torn apart after war for Ukraine debts)2. Hohols cannot buy no weapons: they have no money to exist.3. Trump more likely interested, that there will be no Ukraine or Russia's gases in EU, because it breaks USA liquid gases monopoly.
>>488268902Withdrawn, i believe.
>>488269120>Hohols cannot buy no weaponsWhat are they stopping Russia with, rocks and snowballs?
>>488269384Weapons they receive for free, it's not bying.Money to support Ukraine's existance is borrowed.Not try to think, what happens after war.
Why are the ziggers so pissy tonight? Did I miss something?
>>488269654Turns out his cabinet are all pro-Ukraine kek
>>488269654they're panicking because the economy keeps getting worse, they're running out of rustbuckets to hurl at the front, and now that Zion Don has won they're beginning to realize they have no fucking idea what he's going to do after he's inaugurated
>>488269654Kursk is going about as well as you can imagine
>>488269535jews don't have to wonder what happens after the war, they already printed the money and enriched the contractors, it's why Russia which is actually moving in and starting repairs will still be lauded as evil sub humans, but they've never brought up how any of the countries that have been liberated by Jewmerican warhawks and co, have fared after they've been "freed"
>>488269654They bet on Trump, now they're realizing he's not on their side. They're going to do something retarded like make an attempt towards Zaphorizia city soon because they're out of options.
>>488269738What a world!>>488269812Someone shoulda told them plants crave electrolytes, simple as. >>488269838You love to see it. >>488269918They should have looked at the closed border, the lack of woke generals, and myriad other successes to know his track record for these things.
>>488269654>they hoped zion don will go isolationist>he instead fills cabinet with kike loving, chink bashing, TZD interventionalists
>>488269120Nah, US energy companies are the best there is at extracting fossil fuels and operate all over the globe. And the US (and the Netherlands) has the most technologically advanced and productive agriculture on Earth. Ukraine has some of the best farmland, but their productivity is low due to technological backwardness. This means they would benefit greatly from doing business with American ag companies to bring their farming up to 21st century standards...unlike your shithole.
>>488270277The bilhorod drunk dreams only of a $4 minimum wage and nothing else.
>>488269866>moving in and starting repairs After 3 years they haven't rebuilt shit outside of a shitty Potemkin village on top of the mass grave formerly known as Mariupol. They haven't even bothered in places like Severodonetsk, Lysychansk or Bakhmut.
>>488270385No idea what that means but whatever
>>488270455He used to seethe about moving to new york and be paid as much. Now he avatar fags and seethes without direction, a very sad case!
>>488268838>Ukraine is a poor countrySure, but not in resources and capabilities. This is a relatively big country and our relationship can be very beneficial. We have uranium, oil, gas, irons, operational nuclear power-plants, Donetsk babies, lots of shit. Also our productive capacity of weapons is already more than the state can procure them, for example. We just need more investments into our military production and technologies so that the russian genocide never ends. >He wants to appear strong If this is truly his motivation then this war is his golden chance
>>488270277Not to mention the cost of labour. Poland was the same when it opened up to the EU, now it's flooded with Western European (& American) factories. Ukraine will be the same. For reference, between 1970 and 1990, Poland's GDP under communism grew 60% in 30 years.From 2004 from when Poland joined the EU, it's economy has grown 200% in 20 years. Ziggers can cry all they want, but numbers don't lie.
>>488270544>Donetsk babiesYOU LEFT SOME ALIVE?? WTF???
>>488270635But poverty is hecking based, men would never think of fucking each other in the ass if they are starving!
>>488270544>Donetsk babiesDodo birds too?
>>488270691Marginal artillery blunders
>>488270544True, and that's something that's attractive to Trump. But not in terms of America seizing your resources as ziggers imagine. Like I said here>>488270277, Ukraine could very much benefit from doing business with American agriculture companies like John Deere and etc to improve their agricultural productivity. Same as American energy companies that are the best in the world at getting gas and oil out of the ground. This is the way to sell it to Trump.
>>488270864Keeping some alive for wealthy foreign politicians to hunt from helicopter like so many feral pigs is simply prudent.
>>488270635This is why they can't have Ukraine join the West. Ziggers are terrified of them increasing their own standard of living in the same manner...as it would expose their own corrupt government as the cause of their poverty.
>>488270385This fucker still hasn't died of cirrhosis of the liver yet? I remember he wrote that he wanted to move to New York kek
>>488271522No, he fled after shygoo started hitting his city with those fab things. Now he just cries on his aunt's couch about whatever the flavor of the week is. I wonder if he can even afford wine at this rate?
>>488270992Ziggers yearn for poverty.
>>488270864Please have some more blunders
>>488271797They're lucky then: they get what they yearn for. Same as how they yearn for death and inevitably get it in the end.
>>488271714I have a strong feeling that the guy regrets the war but can't express it, otherwise why the fuck does he even come here to whine about life every time. I remember him writing that he regularly traveled to Kharkiv, practically spent his youth here and had more anti-government views in the past.
>>488271797>>488270737Pidorussians regularly call us traitors for refusing to stay in the same poverty swamp with them
>>488271797This also someone bake
>>488272067I dunno, a long time ago I learned not to think too hard about what niggers do or why. This guy has psheck syndrome though and wants nothing more than for westerners to see him as one of their own. He is too ashamed to admit he had to run from pinya's bombs, so maybe he is at least that self aware.
>>488272257Shithole despotism at it's finest.
>>488272391Kek true
Emergency baking
>>488272610Good on ya lad
>>488272610>1pbtID
>>488272391Pic related is a long read, but it all makes sense. I often think you can just replace blacks with russians in a lot of this sense.
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>>488272688If he cocks it up I will do it after the 500 second cool down or whatever, no worries.
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>>488272688No bully
>>488273008Blue eyed gooks are dangerous, no doubt it.
