I would never set foot inside a vehicle in a warzone. All they do is attract drones like shit attracts flies. I may be dead on foot too, but a lone soldier is a much lower value target than a vehicle, so that's in my favor.
>>488337745There’s a gazillion gore vids of solo travelers getting bombed
>>488337745If WWIII happens I volunteer to be drone pilot and blow up russians with FPV drones
>>488337745Why don't anyone jump out of the truck? Can they see the drone approach them?
>>488337907Yeah but they're not priority targets and drones only go after them when their batteries are running out.>>488338009I think they only see it at the very last moment. Noise of the truck cancels out the noise of the drone.
>>488337745You will only say that until an IFV is shooting at your position with airburst,
>>488338009I dont think they saw it until it was like a meter or two away, riding on top of a tank is very noisy and FPV drones dont make that much noise compared to a tank. Also what can you even do in this situation? Jumping off maybe, but then you are just a sitting target possibly with a busted leg from the fall.
>>488337745Why didn't they just shoot the drone?
>>488338122Then a drone hits the IFVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvXkJwXILlk
>>488338440>Why didn't they just shoot the drone?Shlomo said the line bros...
>>488338701I fucking hate this shit. War has never been gayer than this.
>>488338848Yeah war was so much less gay when it was dudes standing in a row and blasting away at each other at close range. Right bro?
>>488337745soon enough suicide drones will become a war crime
>>488339032Why would they become a warcrime?
>>488338701Dude was too freaked out to shoot properly. Wasn't lining up the sights and instead was just doing "no scope/hip shots" at it. Shotguns obviously need to be issued to the troops.
>>488339032I just know this. Okey
>>488339348>>488339887
I think it's time for soldiers to be issued shields again. You can probably survive a few drone bombs before your shield breaks if you make it out of carbon fiber. Make all the soldiers carry shields and hide behind them in a testudo formation and they'll probably live longer
>>488337745Artillery has killed 80%+ in this war.We just get to see all the drone footage.
>>488339005>Yeah war was so much less gay when it was dudes standing in a row and blasting away at each other at close range. Right bro?Yes.
>>488339005I know what point you're making and I don't give a shit, atleast there was some level of skill and bravery involved in line warfare. This is just bullshit, worse than just getting splattered by bombs and artillery.These poor lads have to die with the indignity of being on some faggots hard drive forever more.
>>488340187Based modern hoplites
>>488340138>>488340187>>488340251wait wut
This war shit is ridiculous. Put these retards in clown regalia and turn in into a comedy.
>>488340187It must be nice not knowing how modern shells work.
>>488337745You only gotta worry if the vehicle you are in is Russian, they seem to explode really badly.
>>488341089bots playing up again, makes it hard to ignore this place is 90% made up of them.
>>488340138Nigger, drones literally blow up tanks and armored vehicles. Do you know how thick that shield should be and how much would weight?
>>488340138>I think it's time for soldiers to be issued shields again.Bro, if these drones can penetrate tank armor, how do you think fucking shields will do something?
>>488340347>Artillery has killed 80%+ in this war.How do you know this?
>>488339005Unironically yes, fag.
>>488340769>These poor lads have to die with the indignity of being on some faggots hard drive forever more.Shouldn't have let themselves get drafted then. I think you don't like it because it exposes war for what it is, and makes it hard for politicians to make new wars.
So you're telling me one 1000 dollar drone with a 5000 dollar bomb attached to it can take out a 5 million dollar armored vehicle? How are you supposed to combat that when China can make millions of drones?
>>488342109The drones cost like $300, explosive included.
>>488342086>I think you don't like it because it exposes war for what it isfor what it has become anon
Why don’t they just issue the soldiers bulletproof plates or like some kind of riot shields?
>>488337745Every time I see these drones it looks like nobody even attempts to shoot it? Is it impossible? Would that not stop it? But yeah fuck the new age of drone warfare. Gay as shit
>>488342395Yes, it was so much more honorable back in the day when serfs hacked each other to pieces to defend their Lord's honor.>>488342555>Every time I see these drones it looks like nobody even attempts to shoot it?Nah, there's 100s of videos of them trying to but it's no easy and you have one chance in a 2 second window.
Butlerian Jihad NOW
>>488339005>flags, speeches, drums camaraderie, celebration, learning etcvs>walk in grey field be blown up by a drone some asshole in an AC apartment in California paid for because he was boredyes you dumb fuck
Why even bother with infantry? Send six gorrilion drones and blow up everyone
>>488342555>like nobody even attempts to shoot it? Is it impossible?Impossible? No. Very difficult? Yes.
>>488342869The drone operations are in California D'tembe. They're very close to the front to be in range of the drone.>>488342973Drone vs. drone combat is already quite common.
>>488340138>>488340187>>488340251>Shields doing jack shit against HEAT or thermobaric blast
>>488339005All these dudes replying forgetting that back then you'd die from a cut, there was grapeshot, shrapnel shots(mortar shots filled with musket shots that would explode in the air and pepper a large area, like a modern cluster ammunition), bayonet charges in the open, horse stampedes, naval cqc etc. War was never better. At least in the middle ages it was mostly small skirmishes before conflicts became larger again.
>>488338848Drone operators are going to be strung up after these wars. Like snipers or flamethrower guys. They're going to get banned, like chemical weapons.
>>488343675>ll these dudes replying forgetting that back then you'd die from a cutExactly. Antibiotics didn't exist. Cauterization and/or amputation was the only treatment for battlefield injuries. I can't stand honorfaggots who have no idea what they're talking about and babble about how things were so much better in the past like boomers.
>>488337745Armor has been obsolete since the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The Egyptians knocked out about 1/7 of the entire IDF armored force in a couple of hours at the Battle of Chinese Farm in the middle of the Sinai with Sagger TOW rocket launchers.And aircraft carriers are obsolete too unless you're in the market for a steel coffin for burying 6000 sailors at the bottom of the sea.
>>488343868>going to be>going to get2 more weeks
>>488337745The Vehicle is your only way to counter drones and no, contrary to all the fake AI/ultra settings War Thunder videos, FPVs cannot take out Armored Vehicles like IFVs and Tanks.They just don't have the payload+range for it.You need bigger drones like Bayraktars/Predators or someone with an ATGM to take out armoured vehicles
>>488338848is it not hilarious?
>>488343370We went from the Red Baron to two guys in a basement playing with joysticks to see which one can fly their toy higher than the other one to drop a net on the other toy
>>488343984When your wife's boyfriend's son is being droned in the desert in 3 years time, see how many weeks he'll last.
>>488341037The return of the Pavise Arbalete. Great for fighting the Aztecs in MTW2
>>488344085most of the armored casualties are mobility kills, still takes the equipment out of commission
>>488341089Reminder that /pol/ is 90 percent glavset LLM bots.
Just use a bird shot shotgun the drones blow up easy.
>>488339032Nobody cares, war crimes don't exist. The only ones ever prosecuted are losers, and if you don't do everything to win including "war crimes" you're going to lose by default anyway.
>>488342734yup
>>488344205Pilots back in WWI dropped grenades on people just like drones do now. You faggots who romanticize war are so cringe it's unreal. Go play your fucking vidya faggot.>>488344262lmao at your seethe
>>488339005>Yeah war was so much less gay when it was dudes standing in a row and blasting away at each other at close range. Right bro?correct
>>488344094the only funny one I've seen was the one that interrupted that gay blowjob like 2 years ago
>>488340187Based bio bringing back the age of war. Shields and swords, fuck yeah reminds me of chicks and cars and a third world war.
>>488343945based manpad-TOW chads win every time against armor. Fucking overhyped steeel coffins. Artillery is the real MVP, out of range for drones, scoot and shoot MLSI Systems, cluster bombs, ah the glory, what a way to die. Air Force cannot be underestimated, but you will alsways need guys to go in for recon, targeting and cleanup.
>>488344276>most of the armored casualties are mobility killsuh huh...
>>488344085>FPVs cannot take out Armored Vehicles like IFVs and Tanks.FPVs able to carry the whole RPG7 family warheads + some are very much capable of killing IFS and tanks. And those are common now.
>>488344205Drone operators are already in the process of being made obsolete; if you're using a hand controller you are a radio beacon easily triangulated by enemy electronic warfare. You will get hit by artillery within a minute or two of turning on your controller/transmitter.But AI built into the quadrocopter will do away with controller radio beacons and just zero in on the enemy independently using JTAC spotters with lasers or better yet satellite spotters.
>>488344655>if you're using a hand controller you are a radio beacon easily triangulated by enemy electronic warfareWhy can't Russia do it then if it's so easy?
>>488343945>aircraft carriers are obsolete tooThey're totally fine for bombing rag heads. You're probably referring to conventional warfare and Chinas carrier killers, but we have to wait for that conflict to break out to see if the hype around carrier killers is really justified.
>>488341089 discord trannies having fun
>>488344838Russia is doing it 24/7 but there still seems to be surplus of proud drone pilots in hruklands.>also repeaters on wire and shit
>>488344622proves my point, this unit clearly is already mobility killed and most likely empty. The effect on the Battlefield tends to be the same. One less Zigger Tank.My reasoning for this?The turret it pointed straight ahead and the barrel pointing upwards, which is the travel position. and the unit is placed in the open on a road with no cover which leads me to believe that it broke down or got mobility killed earlier and abandoned, the ukrainians are blowing it up to prevent salvage by the enemy. This is a drone with a special payload. these are bigger and more expensive. the 300 dollar hype drones are usually used to uproot entrenched troops, catch moving troops in the open and generelly hit soft targets. IFV is no APC and significantly easier to break. APC and Tank require higher payload and therefore, identification and constant tracking so it can be targeted by specialist troops.
>>488344567I suspect you're enough of a knowledgeable observer to be an ARMA3/ArmaReforger fanaticMy favorite self made scenario's is Hetman Artificial Commander, NR6 HALI like to go into a scenario as a common infantry man, at best a squad leader or fireteam leader. Getting ordered onto an APC was a bad thing whether you're inside or riding on top Russian style. You gonna die. If the vehicle reaches it's objective get the fuck out fast and find a wall to hide behind lying prone before it gets turned into a fucking fireball turning the crew and passengers into Costco bbq chickens. I've lost count of how many times I've wound up in some shitty place all alone because my entire squad got toasted by TOW rocket launchers from 4km away
>>488337745You don't understand how warfare works
>>488344838>>488345568If you follow Military Summary Channel you'll see that over a year ago that there were zillions of Ukrainian drone strike videos online and it made mapping out the battle situation more verifiable. Then by the beginning of last summer that fell off noticeably and there were only Russian drone videos so without verification from both sides it took weeks to map out positions of forces with certainty instead of a day or two.https://www.youtube.com/@militarysummary
>>488345568How do you know they're doing it 24/7 then?>>488345669uh huh
>>488344838/chug/gers have plenty of russkies doing the same drone shit to Ukrainians, they just don't spam it on /pol/ the same way.Ukie drone gore spammers are like the Kamala spammers, in a big way. Everyone knows that we are in an unserious world and this is an unserious election/war, everyone knows the ukies can't win this due to systematic and pre-existing economic issues - for Kamala, it was the massive inflation torpedoing her chances, for Ukraine, it's the fact that their existence is tied to western aid. Kamala spammers made many repetitive and bad-faith threads, as do the ukie drone gore spammers. Both Kamala spammers and Ukraine drone gore spammers come from reddit.And in the end, the outcome that the Kamala spammers and Ukraine gore spammers desire will be denied to them. It doesn't mean that the opposing side will get what they want - for the Trump stans, Trump is staffing his administration with questionable neocon picks, while Russia will probably be forced into a half-baked ceasefire compromise deal where they only get to keep what they already have.But you can't manifest your desired outcome into existence by spamming /pol/.
>>488342109Find the drone with machine vision then shoot it with a $1 bullet, or a laser using $10 cents of electricity.'Never fight the last war'
>>488346020Yeah that's not true at all but nice vranyo fag.>>488346068I can't believe you typed all that shit up that I didn't read. Post the Russian drone video instead.
I like tanks
>>488337745Is the cod mwf?
>>488346101>Find the drone with machine vision then shoot it with a $1 bulletJust shoot the drone bro!
>>488341936>https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ukraine-war-one-massive-artillery-fight-211540By reading military analysis and not listening to nafo faggots gargling propaganda.>Artillery remains crucial, causing 80% of casualties on both sides.
>>488344501Yeah, discipline and honor won the day. Now it's just random people trying their best to hide from drones. It's pretty disgusting. No amount of listening to commanders or being lead well means shit now. It's just whoever creates and releases more drones. There's basically no point to being a soldier anymore.
>>488345003Even Col Douglas Macgregor has pointed out the likelihood of the USS Eisenhower having to retreat from the coat of Yemen after multiple hits and damage. Also even the Mediterranean is too small for secure carrier operations now. It's insane to have a carrier in the Persian Gulf. Suicide. What a waste of resources when the poor people of Ohio have had the soil of their homes poisoned by that train derailment and the imbeciles that set fire to their chemical cargo and there's no money for that cleanup.Neocons running the military industrial complex are the worst traitors, the lowest scum, but hey the US is ready to fight the Battle of Midway again eh?
>>488346470Why do you believe things you read in NATO media?>>488346523>Col Douglas Macgregorlmao
>>488342973They're not produced that fast yet
>>488337745>20pbtid
>>488340347This The only reason drones are seen as an overpowered wunderwaffe is that every successful hit is recorded and released for propaganda.What we dont see is the giant net of EW around larger formations and thousands of drones being shot down like flies every day.Guided Artillery and FABs are the real horror if you're a regular soldier and not just "recon by fire" cannon fodder.
>>488346619If you can't distinguish nafo propaganda there's really nothing I can say.
>>488346025>How do you know they're doing it 24/7 then?Because I would be doing this if I was in charge. Non-brainer, seriously
>>488346506That's been pretty much true since WWI broke out. The artillery was so ferocious to both the BEF and the German Imperial Army at the battle of Ypres that both sides had to retreat from the field after the massive slaughter. The BEF was unusable after that and had to be withdrawn from the war and replaced with Kitchener's army. They were talking to the reinforcements arriving on the line and demoralizing them. Being a hero or a coward in that kind of war of attrition are indistinguishable at the end of the day. You're going to become hamburger meat without ever even seeing the enemy.
>>488346841>What we dont see is the giant net of EW around larger formations and thousands of drones being shot down like flies every day.Why don't we see that?>>488346850I asked why you believe things you read in NATO media. Why didn't you answer?>>488346941But how do you know THEY'RE doing it? That was the question.
>>488346025prove my point even more.look at the rotors. its got 2 sets of rotors on each arm, one on top one on the bottom. This is mostly done on bigger drones to give them the enhanced carrying capacity. A 300 Dollar drone whould simply not be able to generate enough lift and carry the powerpack at the same time. The range would decrease too much, thus the need for a bigger power pack, but that adds even more weight at which point the vehicle either is unable to fly or sluggish. You can see it even on this spcialized model, which flies far slower that other FPV videos we have seen that are taking on infantry and IFVs.It also isnt a big deal since a tank represents a slower target and thus the drone does not need to be as fast or stealthy to catch it. as i said, hardened targets need to be identified and tracked. Look bro im not refuting that drones are one of the most powerful additions to the Battlefield since the invention of the Bomber. Its a remote controlled bomb, doesnt need a carrier vehicle, its perfect.But deluding yourself that modern wars will be fought entirely by drones and IFVs and Artillery will become obsolete is just retarded. YOull always need guys on the ground to cleanup and identify targets. You will always need planes and artillery because of the sheer volume of firepower they can dish out continuislyThe footage you posted most likely was shot on a bigger model specifically designed to kill Armored vehicles.
>>488346156>https://files.catbox.moe/z0gffo.mp4>https://rentry.org/new_clips_4There you go. Russian drone content where they attack a Leopard.>https://files.catbox.moe/iotihu.mp4And an Abrams, too.This war is gay as fuck, and you have an opinion on it because you're not dying in this war, and likely never will. But try to have a bit of understanding. Everything you post happening to Russkies, Ukies are experiencing the exact same shit.
>>488347063tl;dr>>488347119Just post webms. I'm not clicking dat shit.
>>488346619>>lmaoMacgregor was the "squadron operations officer who essentially directed the Battle of 73 Easting" during the Gulf War.[2] Facing an Iraqi Republican Guard opponent, he was part of a contingent of 19 Abrams, 26 Bradley Fighting Vehicles and four M1064 mortar carriers through the sandstorm to the 73 Easting on February 26, 1991, and in a 23-minute battle destroyed almost 70 Iraqi armored vehicles with no U.S. casualties. He was at the front center of the formation with Eagle Troop on the right and Ghost Troop on the left. Macgregor designated Eagle Troop the main attack and positioned himself to its left. Eagle Troop Scouts subsequently followed Macgregor's tank through a minefield during which his crew destroyed two enemy tanks. As Macgregor was firing from the front line, he didn't "request artillery support or report events to superiors until the battle was virtually over, according to one of his superior officers", taking risks which "could have been criticized had the fight turned ugly".[2]Macgregor was "one of the Army's leading thinkers on innovation", according to journalist Thomas E. Ricks. He "became prominent inside the Army" when his book Breaking the Phalanx was published in 1997, arguing for radical reforms.[4] Breaking the Phalanx was rare in that an active duty military author was challenging the status quo with detailed reform proposals for the reorganization of U.S. Army ground forces.[1
what about like emp grenadeswould those work against a drone?
>>488347040>But how do you know THEY'RE doing it?They are pushing ookie shit in as of now
>>488347040You have to look at where the information comes from and reputable sources.When you have a veteran military analysis with 20+ years of experience writing articles, its more trustworthy than a furry posting drone fore videos online.>Stavros Atlamazoglou is a seasoned defense journalist specializing in special operations and a Hellenic Army veteran (national service with the 575th Marine Battalion and Army HQ). He holds a BA from the Johns Hopkins University and an MA from the Johns Hopkins’ School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS). His work has been featured in Business Insider, Sandboxx, and SOFREP.How are you this stupid?
Even during WW2 (almost 100 years ago), a truck carrying infantry didn't count for mechanized.For a truck to be "mechanized", the "mechanization" of the vechicle transporting the infantry needs to at least compete with the fire power of the enemy, so that it can even when under heavy enemy fire, the transporter can pass with the infantry unharmed.How did you get to the conclusion that a corn truck repurposed by the russin army to carry mobiks counts as "mechanized" ? With this logic, your car is also a "mechanized" unit.You define a unit by what it can achieve in combat, a paratrooper is not a paratrooper if they can't parachute behind enemy lines and land safely with their equipment, even a retarded can jump off a plane and cause 0 troubles (unless they happen to fall on someone's head).
>>488347063He's arguing in bad faith, anon. All of the newfags from reddit that settled on /k/ are like this. Just report him for spamming and move on I guess. If he won't even bother to read an effortpost, why bother?
>>488347184TL:DR:>Drones are cool and powerful but will never replace Planes, infantry and artillery.You should read it, i built and flown FPV drones in the past. Not in Ukriane just as a hobby. i explain how theres different types of drones
>>488347429People say mechanized when they mean motorized. Laymen don't understand this distinction.
>>488347040Why would you ever release a vid of your drone flying around for 2 hours and then suddenly dropping dead?
>>488347455i know anon, sometimes i like to try tho.
>>488347397>military analysis with 20+ years of experience>Propaganda horn that spits out propaganda for 20+ years is more trustworthy than one that does it for only 2 yearskek
>>488347355kek..maybe they'd be good for breaching a mud hut with some screaming women inside..
>>488346467Yes, shoot the drone with a trackingpoint scope. Or have drone CAP. Or train everyone to use a shotgun.There are lots of ways.We're not incompetent Russians that die in their thousands every week.
What i don t undestand why russia didn't use emp bombs to fuck up ukr drones, starlink and communications and just overwhelm them with more firepower and manpower like is ww2?
>>488341877you just offset a section of chain link fence a foot off your shield
>>488347624Well fuck you got me there, I guess I will just believe random shit posted on 4chan as reputable sources.Who needs credibility anymore?
>>488347738Russians want to kill them all, no need for scaring them ookies into premature surrender
>>488347727Problem is you will need to have 2 guns twice the ammo. And need to be on the lookout both for drones and enemy soldiers. And be fast enough to switch between them
>>488339005Disgusting kike war. Every country should exterminate it's own zogbots starting with intelligence and military intelligence, highest ranks first.
>>488338009>You're now on foot>alone>several kilometers from the nearest friendly position>also the truck got blown up anyway and all your friends are dead>there are more drones in the area>you are not fast enough to outrun dronesGetting out of the truck is much the same as staying in. You are probably still going to die.
>>488343945If Aircraft carriers are obselete why are the chinese building 5 of them?Oh right, the chinks are idiots lmao
>>488347781>Who needs credibility anymore?Peek into that hole bit longer and you will ask yourself>Was there ever credibility?>What good has credibility ever done?
>>488347547Anon that's a goreposter, everything he asks is just bait to have an excuse to dump his folder, those threads have been going since mid 2023 with no change in the content being posted
>>488348005>why are the chinese building 5 of them?Inertia or baiting mutts into building some more carriers
>>488348059So whats the alternative?Just make shit up and believe anything?Post gore videos and clap online?What are you proposing if there is no concept of information credibility?
How do these cheap ass drones communicate anyway ? RF ?
Drones are OP as fuck right nowI have no idea how anyone is supposed to beat China when they have the most of them and all factories to make them are over thereI think China could solo everyone just because of drones
>>488338102wtf even is this war? how miserable of a way to die. die from a grenade dropped out a flying raspberry pi while youre taking a shit or standing in the middle of fucking nowhere wondering wtf youre even doing
>>488337745Yes you are right, you should just run, that is much safer. Drone will never see you.
>>488348306>Just make shit up and believe anything?Are you living in a hole for past 23 years? This is exactly what is going on for those years.
>>488337991Drone pilots will and should be treated worse than snipers when captured during war. Enjpy having your balls cut off by the first enemy you see IRL.
>>488337745what will happen to soldiers after production of drones is cheaper and faster than to train and use soldiers? will everything just be drone warfare
>>488348306>What are you proposing if there is no concept of information credibility?Embrace post-modernism
>>488337991you'll be a incel staying at home and never having sex if it happens
>>488344838Ukraine better hope Russia never wins. Ukraine getting conquered would have the bloodiest revenge pogrom on anyone associated with drones and those uploading these videos in that country the world hasn't seen in decades.It's a small chance, but it's still a chance.
>>488347063Fast dirt bikes, 125 cc to 250cc are being experimented with and they seem to be much fasters than armored IFVs and thus more effective in assaulting trench networks in farmer field treelines. It's like they can move faster than artillery can zero in on them but even they've gotten slaughtered like WWI cavalry attacks. There may be no positive outcomes on such intense killing grounds
>>488338701im assuming someone will invent like a man portable iron dome type thing. too bad it would be more expensive to give to a soldier than theyre worth>>488338848same>>488339005yes>>488339032>>488339348doubt. they seem to at least kill clean instead of purposefully maim
>>488348664>Small chanceWhat world are you living in m8?Ukraine has no hope for any sort of victory. The best chance they have is a cease fire where Ruskies keep all the shit they have conquered and Ukraine is reduced into a rump state.
>>488348506There's half truths and it takes intelligence and reason to discern the signal from the noise.People who have reported and gathered intelligence on various theaters of war their entire lives build up a thing called reputation, integrity, and credibility.Their performance of the past leads you to believe their analysis.Again what is the alternative?Believe nothing? Who do you believe?
>>488348726>There may be no positive outcomes on such intense killing groundsBombEverythingInSightFromSafeDistance
>>488348852>truthsAnon, there are no truths, there are more or less verified assumptions
>>488337745>>488337907>>488338102drone swarm autonomous targetting of everything that moves inside of a designated zone 100/1000 drones sweeping the zone relaying target hotspots to the system100/900 drones are sent to waypoint at hotspot and just detonate every walking person or driving vehicla100/800 sweep the zone of interest for targets....100/00 drones fly to waypoints and......drone factoryassembly linemilitary has potent and lightweight explosives...etclalalalaooga booga
>>488348005In the battle of Chosin Resevoir the Marines fought a vastly overwhelming assault from huge swarms of Chicoms. The assaulted the American positions on hilltops. They just slaughtered the chinks. When the sun rose there were corpses of gooks everywhere and when they examined the corpses each chink was some untrained farmboy wearing a wadded jacket stuffed with straw for insulation, no gloves or mittens and each soldier had been issued like 10 bullets for the attack. They were half starved and freezing in the brutal snow covered winter landscape. The marines felt sorry for them and tried to comfort them.
>>488348852>Who do you believe?Change. There is no static.
Why aren't they carrying shotguns with bird shot with a wide spread? It should be easy to shoot down these drones with a shotgun, literally just point and shoot.
>>488348506I'm convinced we still don't really know what went on fully in WWI or WWII.
>>488347250tl;dr>>488347397So you think NATO fan publications are reputibale sources?>>488347547You wouldn't. Probably why you rarely see Russian drone footage.
>>488339005for freddie mercury rememberance band and cunt !
>>488348770>they seem to at least kill clean instead of purposefully maimwrong
>>488339348Did u only make this thread to post drone videos? Go back to your containment board.
>>488349259By the time it's close enough to shoot yours already in the kill radius of the payload.
>>488337745Good. Mechanized warfare is gay and soulless. What comes after it will be even gayer and more soulless. War has been robbed of its dignity and morality.
>>488347738>why russia didn't use emp bombs to fuck up ukr drones starlink and communicationsBecause they are a bunch of incompetent losers and their weapons turned out to be a pack of lies.Otherwise they would have shot down all starlink satellites with Peresvet, have complete air superiority with SU-57s, completely overwhelmed the obsolete UA tanks with hundreds of Armatas and be carpet bombing Kiev with impunity.Patriot systems would all be smoking ruins from Kinzhals and Zircons, and the Moskva a would be the most powerful ship in the Black Sea and not an artificial reef.Read this shit from a few years ago and prepare to laugh until you cry:https://www.unz.com/tsaker/newly-revealed-russian-weapons-systems-political-implications/
>>488343675>>488339005You two are giant nu-age warhawk fags. War is gay now and you're never going to find competent white people to do it for you again.
>>488337745>like shit attracts pajeetsFtfy
>>488343370couldnt they just use a scanner to pick up radio signals to determine where their cuckshed is and nuke it?
>>488349351I do what I want. Why does it upset you?>>488349390>War has been robbed of its dignity and morality.War never had dignity and morality. Don't be a boomer retard.
>>488343868Not a fucking chance
>>488349390https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyMNIFZTQkg
>>488339348As soon as hamas/etc start getting good drones to use against israeli soldiers they'll be made a war crime
>>488348564There are much worse things that drones. Victoria Nudelmann confessed that there were 15 Chemical/Biological warfare laboratories in the Ukraine. And CBW suits are sealed rubber bags. Imagine packing a load of 500 rounds, a rifle or SAW, a helmet etc on a battlefield on a hot summer day. You can't take it off to shit or piss. You wear diapers. Now you're in a hot rubber suit it's 95F and your suit is full of fresh shit and piss. Even the toughest men aren't going to function much for more than half an hour. Now enjoy your Marburg/Smallpox infection. I forgot; it's Chemical Biological Nuclear Radiological suits...kek
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>>488349422>and be carpet bombing Kiev with impunity.Russians never wanted to do that, anon.
>>488348903TOS flamethrower missiles...
>>488343868Americans I think first at the drone game with reaper drones. You can't justify a ban of FPV drones without banning those as well, which won't happen.
>>488349839Why don't they have good drones already? ISIS did. They're the ones who first started using them in war.
>>488344567>t.
>>488349925The fox never wanted those sour grapes it couldn't reach.
>>488349931FAB, ODAB, some radio controlled tank poured full of torpex, Whatever assures that everything breathing oxygen is killed or incapacitated on given area.And even then, robots may survive and ruin your day.
>>488349101And you can't hide in the dark; FLIR
>>488350107Russians are not fighting with civilians.
>>488350017>Why don't they have good drones alreadyGood question, no idea. Perhaps too poor, perhaps too difficult to smuggle in. I can only guess.
>>488349322>you rarely see Russian drone footage.Go back to sleep child.
>>488350107seems like overkill. but then again he tanked a brain shot so maybe not
>>488350418You didn't post Russian drone footage though did you?
>>488341936You weren't here when the Russians leveled the Reddit barracks, were you? Shit was fun, lol.
>>488349390>War has been robbed of its dignity and morality.Like Achilles and his myrmidons allowed Hector dignity and showed moral honor at the siege of Troy? Those were the good old days. Conquer a town and sell the inhabitants into slavery to pay for your piratical expedition.
>>488350588Yeah. That one aborted the international volunteer brigades in the birthing and decided the THD.
>>488349422Col Macgregor says they're using the Starlink satellites themselves. kek
>>488350813It's not like Russia has their own version of Starlink to use. Way too high tech for them.
>>488350588time flies
>>488350813They are using discord for combat operations and drone control.That's how fucked up they are.All the money for their next gen equipment was embezzled.
>>488350555I don't sit up on the TelegramLike a big crypto starhttps://youtu.be/R_W0Nsvg-AY
>>488351254It's really funny how no one itt can post it, including (You). There's terabytes of it though...somewhere else.
If you aren't ready to kill or be killed then you aren't ready for war. That is fine. Most people die from heart disease.You don't have to fight for the zionist, you can actually fight against the zionist. This is our Jihad, to remove the zionist occupiers. As many before us.In Jihad, we are free. No longer slaves of the zionist, not their tax cattle nor their golem. We are the enemy of the zionist, free in the fight. Victory or Paradise, both assured by Allah.
>>488351350Have funhttps://lostarmour.info/news
>>488351052The west is addicted to wunderwaffenThe Russians always engineer just enough to win.Tiger tanks and Me 262 were awesome though
>>488351455nice bike
>>488351350I just watch the Military Summary Channel.With the Canadian political crisis since Covid 19 scam, the US election, the nuclear war crisis in the ME and Ukraine and Taiwan keeping up is a full time crisis and I don't have even time to download and play ARMA Reforger ffs.
>>488337745>>488338701>>488339005thanks Obama
>>488351463Just post it bro. Why can't you do it?>>488351530Same a niggers in Africa do.>>488351785Cool. Why don't you have Russian drone footage to post though?
>>488352322>Why can't you do it?There are thousands of them, browse yourself. I have broader interests than spoonfeeding you snuff content.
>>488352542>There are thousands of themPost one then. No one can and it's ridiculous.
>>488352322>Why don't you have Russian drone footage to post though?I'm only interested in strategy and tactics. Not a Telegram ghoul sadist.
>>488337745What is going on in this video? Is that a drone? Doesn't look like a drone.
>>488352635I posted whole link, page is in russian but content is self-descriptive. And if you nigger have no balls to open that link, just say so. Not going to make webms for you, so fuck of with that request.
>>488352859It's a truck. Trucks don't look like drones...you are correct.>>488352916I didn't click it. I post stuff here, not links to .info websites.
>>488352322This is a fun one. Almost got away!!No idea how the pilots fly like this. I'd be puking my guts out and totally disoriented.
>>488337745https://youtu.be/IZ_QZUndfPw
>>488353111>I didn't click it.Your loss.
>>488353260Seems like running in circles actually works desu.
>>488338848WW1 and trench charges were gayer. Prove me wrong
>>488342333I don't think soldiers will be able to exist on the surface. Everything will be drones with soldiers underground.
>>488340138>>488340187>>488340251Just another example this place is far from organic in any way. 3 identical posts, from 3 different IPs within 30 seconds.
>>488337745The military wanted to stop buying tanks 10-20 years ago, due to missile technology. Congress with factories in their district forced them to keep buying tanks.
>>488337745Cyborg stealth ninjas with portable flying unit are the future of warfare. Full on terminators will be outlawed by international treaty.
>>488337745Yes and no. Its more complex than that. Transitional stage. Lasers soon.
Lasers are currently banned for use by soldiers as firing at other soldiers is a blind risk and blinding weapons are illegal under the Geneva convention. Countries like Russia will simply ignore it, and then everyone will be forced to ignore it. This will be remarked about like the league of nations being a failure, the geneva convention being a failure. War will become brutal again. Then it will be fought by robots primarily, soon after. Robots with lasers and drone swarms.
>>488338102>Yeah but they're not priority targets and drones only go after them when their batteries are running out.Big mistake.Cost of infantrymen kill with drone dropped so low there are no lack of drone hunting against troops, and unlike artillery drones don't care about dispersion.If you dont have anti-drone capability its over for everything: tanks, infantry, artillery.And only vehicles could hope to have real anti drone capability, troops have no carrying capacity and energy supply for that.
>>488349845>there were 15 Chemical/Biological warfare laboratories in the UkraineInteresting, surely Russia has captured one of these to show the rest of the world?
>>488361152Yes
>>488361932>a tweetWoah, thank you Russia! Based denazifiers
>>488362022You asked if they had shown the world what they found and the answer was yes, what did you expect to happen?
>>488361932post pics of the basements, retards.a fucking tweet isnt going to move the needle here.
dude $300 drones taking out $5 million tanks lmaodude electronic warfare lmaodude just shoot the drones lmao
>>488361932Well if "Leading Report" says it, it must be true.
>>488349101That next advancement will be mobile drone factories.
>>488337745I think we're not very far off from the tanks being driverless.
I mean... just don't get droned? How hard is it?
>>488337745Russia's incompetence on the battlefield is not indicative of say the US or NATOs doctrine.
>>488349390Maybe someone should have told putin that before he sent thousands to their deaths for literally nothing.
>>488337745Kek. Are drone operators the new snipers? Most hated on the battlefield.
>>488339348>mfw I'am into FPV drones for the last 5 years and don't get any free bucks to kill ziggers:(Where can I sign up?
>>488339005That was literally the most kino era of warfare yes.
>>488343984Maybe not but you would never want to tell anyone what you did during the war. If I ever met anyone who told me they flew these things, I'd beat the fuck out of them at the very least. Not like you'd have anything to worry about when it comes to them fighting back. They're not soldiers, just retards playing video games.
>>488362162>>488362521I don't need the needle moved, you do. Anon had asked if the russians ever said anything about biolabs and I happened to have that screencap saved. Go look it up yourself. There were many threads about it at the time, with video and audio links. Including a bunch of counter signal shills. I personally don't need to be convinced that the west had biolabs, of course we did, our leader rape children. Bioweapons are hardly outside of their moral framework.
>>488347979>Avoiding an explosion blast is pretty much the same as just taking it inWhat a retarded post
>>488344436>Pilots back in WWI dropped grenades on people just like drones do now.Yeah but they were actually in danger while they did it, you fucking retarded nigger piece of shit.
>I may be dead on foot too, but a lone soldier is a much lower value targetIt depends really. A soldier in a trench or in reserve is the safest position probably, the vehicles are probably significantly safer than soldiers actually taking part in an assault.You also don't see all of the videos of artillery killing 30 guys from 10 miles away, whereas inside a vehicle they would have been completely fine and would have GTFO as soon as a shell landed near.
>>488363176I think a sniper would still be respected by people outside the military. Nobody is gonna think a drone operator is a hero ever.
>>488346068>Russia will probably be forced into a half-baked ceasefire compromise dealno one can force Russia to do shitRussia will decide when the war endsthe war will not end unless Russia gets Odessa and Ukraine is landlocked
>>488337745>Turd world hellholes can't wage a modern war>Retards take this to mean that modern warfare is obsoleteThis is like someone in the 1980s using the Iran-Iraq or Yom Kippur war as proof that mechanized warfare is dead.
Drones will eventually fight each other with AI. Battles could happen that are not even reported.
>>488337745war was always horrible and dangerous, ur just a bunch of pussies>oh no war is obsolete because they have rocks>oh no war is obsolete because they have crossbows>oh no war is obsolete because they have cannons>oh no war is obsolete because they have tanks>oh no war is obsolete because they have jet fighters>oh no war is obsolete because they have nukesfaggots
>>488363486stfu you stupid kangaroo loving cunt. playing tarkov and cs2 between few drone strikes and getting paid for it sounds pretty nice, killing russians is the cherry on the top,being safe and comfy at home while doing it the glazing on the cakePeople tought the same about the tanks when they were introduced while there were nations using horses and no explosives to stop them. you have to adapt to the modern warfare, ellse you get fucked.
At least the vehicle will stop some of the explodey stuff from messing with your organ stuffs.
>>488364102same goes for airplanes and submarines, so fuck you and your logic
>>488363869How do you wage a modern war where the objective is to annex land?You can only do it with infantry.The main problem with Ukraine is that it is flat and there is very little cover for the vehicles or soldiers. It's a clusterfuck.
>>488364102>>488364322>logicI don't give a fuck about logic. If you tell me you flew drones in a war, I will kick the shit out of you and probably kill you. You will never be a hero, you will only ever be scum. Every other role on the battlefield involves imminent danger but drone operators kill with absolutely no consequences. They are not soldiers, they're serial killers and I will treat them as such.
>>488337745At least on foot your death is (almost) instantaneous. If you're in a vehicle and get unlucky, you'll end up burning or suffocating to death in a slow and very excruciating manner.
>>488338009once you get sent there you're dead anyway, may as well get it over with
>>488363486>If I ever met anyone who told me they flew these things, I'd beat the fuck out of them at the very least.Why? Would you try to beat up a soldier that shot someone? What about a artilleryman? What's the criteria for your tard rage?
>>488364613
>>488338402I mean, they've got guns. If they shower the thing the might just hit it.
Soldiers have a hard time hitting drones so should they be equipped with shotguns or shotgun attachments on their rifle? Will it help?
>>488339005Despite your beliefs, infantrymen in the age of massed infantry (aka standing in a line and shooting at each other) had higher survival rates than soldiers in later wars. This is even more true if you ignore how many of them died of infections and simple diseases who would survive in the modern age. Artillery does most of the killing and back then it wasn't very effective. Canister shot was lethal but the uptime was low and getting it into the right place at the right time to maximize impact was not common.Volley fired muskets at a rate of 2 volleys a minute from 100-300 meters just aren't that good at doing much killing. They are a tool of shock warfare meant to break the enemy and get them to run away. When they're running away you can chase them down with the cavalry, which is actually very good at killing.
>>488364739>Would you try to beat up a soldier that shot someone? What about a artilleryman?No and no.>What's the criteria for your tard rage?See >>488364613then kill yourself, you retarded piece of shit.
>>488337745They will figure out counters to drones for the drones in the next war. War in its essence is still about occupying territory with infantry and using vehicles to facilitate that. So it can't lean in favor of drones indefinitely. You can't take ground with drones alone.
>>488364957Birdshot tends to work for the msot part
>>488364957They've been wondering how to defend against drones since they first heard the infernal machines, pick whatever works and have a clear path to shelter for when you hear one.
>>488364957The only way to counter the drones is to manufacture some kind of cheap, portable jammer that every soldier would carry. I dunno whether this is even possible.
>>488350313No they just bomb them and shoot prisoners of war
>>488337907This is a good point, soldiers travelling on foot is not the answer, they get massacred worse than in armored vehicles.OP is still right in that the economics of armored vehicles just don't add up against much cheaper drones and missiles.We're already seeing more and more motorcycles and autonomous vehicles being used in ground assaults.I think that's the trend will continue, but even then, a motorcycle and trained soldier costs much more than a drone.Until the promise of a working active protection system is realized, drones will always make any offensive costly whether there are armored vehicles or not.
>>488365224The main defense against drones is this and I'm not joking
>>488365203These drones explode on impact - by the time it gets close enough to use a shotgun you're fucked.
>>488364981You would rightfully get sent to prison. An artilleryman kills hundreds or even thousands with no greater risk to himself than a drone operator sitting in a field with VR goggles on. Do you have any idea how many soldiers are a stone's throw away from being a serial killer? Drones make you mad simply because you're emotional and unintelligent.
>>488359539troops will eventually have their own anti-drone drones, it'll soon be drone vs drone vs drone all the way down
One of the newer defense systems that will be developed in the future due to the way things are progressing will be microwave magnetron electro magnetic pulse fields that will surround vehicles and other sensitive war implements. For most drones to fly they must be light and cannot carry enough shielding to stop its sensitive electronics for esp and control surface control from being fried.
>>488365380for now
>>488365415artillery aims at an areadrone op aims at specific soldiers
>>488338440>next gen drones are the size of a lighter and travel at 200 mphWhy didn't he just swat the drone?
>>488365415>no greater risk to himself than a drone operator sitting in a field with VR goggles on>a guy with a giant artillery piece firing shells that identify him every time is at the same risk as a guy hiding in a bush completely invisible anywhere within 100s of kms of the targetYou are so fucking stupid it's unreal. Kill yourself.
>>488341877Staged. Theres no way a drone that size could carry such a payload. And munitions dont detonate with a big fireball like that. American tax dollars put to good use making this movie though lol
>>488337745Yeah Tanks are becoming redundant to ATGM's that can kill them from 3+ kilometers away, high tech long range drones and simple retrofitted drones locally controlled by a basic trained soldier. They are basically now just steal coffins.If I ever went to war, (which they wont draft me because I have a long history of mental illness) I would apply to become apart of the logistical support that is not on the front lines. Just helping move equipment and supplies on long haul travels, like a trucker basically.
>>488337745Foot soldiers could carry a massive shield, purpose fit to defend against a drone explosion.
>>488365657If they had the capability to precisely hit a dime they would target individual soldiers. the specific areas they target are intended to kill those specific soldiers. World's smartest memeflag.>>488365827Simmer down woman and let the drone operators win a war for you while you sit there on your worthless ass getting mad and doing nothing.>noo we have to arm wrestle to decide the victordo you hear yourself?
>>488366133Do you even know what high explosives can do?
>>488338701Holy fuck that was brutal. It was like that scene from Black Hawk Down.
>>488366217>no argumentLike I give a fuck about this war. I only know if I meet any drone operators, I'll go to jail. That's fine with me. Aussie prisons are a cakewalk.
>>488366485>I'll go to jail.Good, into the retard cage you go. At least you can recognize you're a subhuman.
>>488366379No.
>>488341037Why is there a dildo attached to his kevlar/helmet?
>>488346068>But you can't manifest your desired outcome into existence by spamming /pol/.Except I literally did. That's why I'm dating an Indio-Trinidadian woman that's three times my age.
>>488365662Yeah but the drone in the video is not a difficult shot. And what's the alternative? Sit and watch as it kills you? My guess is that the soldiers don't get ammo until the last second to prevent fragging.
>>488366587I'll eventually get out. Drone faggot will be in the ground forever lol. Maybe I'll even be able to get another one>retard cage Lol aussie prison is literally better quality of life than most amerimutts are living.
>>488338701Damn he got fragged. All by a simple hobby drone.
>>488366379Many of the grenade-drop Baba Yaga style drone attacks kill or maim the target via shrapnel from distances where, if you were standing behind a shield, you would be protected.It's not going to help in every scenario, but the soldiers are currently being sent out there with nothing, so it's definitely better than nothing.You could build an anti-drone active protection system directly in the shield itself.
>>488344622I am not a smart man but in Iraq we had jammers and DUKE anti-IED blocker deals, why cant they invest in something cheap yet effective signal jamming?
>>488337745they will reveal laser anti drones systems and end this "war"usa already has lasers powerful and operated by fast enough a.i. to shoot down hundreds of tiny drones
This is the early days in the drone wars. We all know the future of these things. Slaughterbots one day are going to be looked back as primitive. Eventually we gonna have nanite clouds just stripping the skin off all the soldiers in the area.
>>488366642To fuck'em up
>>488366969They do, but it's a cat and mouse game.Also, wire guided drones are a thing.
>>488365561>>488365561I recognize that gay Popeye tattoo from somewhere.
>>488340138Have you even watched this video? >>488338701Wtf is a shield going to do against that? You will still be blown into bits. Maybe a few less but still beyond saving
>>4883655230.1mm of copper foil and some conductive glass for the camera is all you need.
>>488366642To dilate in the battle field duh!!
>>488366763What was your goal there to sound intimidating? You want to murder a veteran not for any ideology but because your small brain is struggling to comprehend the nature of war and conflict. Yeah I'm sure that will go down well. You'll spend a lifetime in the retard cage and the rest of us benefit by having an overly emotional homunculus out of the way for all of that time.>aussie prison is literally better quality of life than most amerimutts are living.whatever delusion helps you get to sleep.
>>488339032>war crimekekHe doesn't know about the Jew.
>>488367327Ever read any Richard K. Morgan? Broken Angels and Woken Furies, specifically.Fun stuff.
>>488339032>war crimeHe thinks a piece of paper will stop the drone swarms!
>>488337745True. Crazy they havent implemented drone defense yet. We have laser bug zappers but cant make a drone shotgun turret.
>>488337745I am not a warfare pro but why don't they build more resistant vehicles?or add some sensor powered turret that shoots down drones or a jammer that takes them down?
>>488366854>You could build an anti-drone active protection system directly in the shield itself.Russia just invented two different anti drone weapons, one is a electronic frequency blocker that is carried locally by a soldier essential blocking all signals, and the other is a small drone that actively hones in on the Ukrainian drones and either nets it or explodes on it. Russia figured out they needed that shit quick and fast because they were losing so many soldiers to retrofitted hobby drones.Look up the autotracking drones Russia now have, its kino. It can track the drone from a kilometer away using FLIR and hone in on it like a heat seeking missile.Drone tech is now the new WW3 'weapon of the century'
>>488337745>Just another thing that millennials killed.
>>488337745The future is tower defense style drone production using automated supply lines and in situ resource exploitation.
Why are most of these drone videos set pieces that look isolated? Usually one soldier or vehicle visible. Something a bit fishy about that.
>>488338009Slavs don't have any self-preservation. Videos from both sides show this. They will just drive into a minefield with zero thought and die. Then repeat. Both fucking sides keep doing this.>>488338402Dunno, attempt to shoot it, jump off, anything? By this time everyone is well aware of these things yet no one has a fucking shotgun, no one tries to shoot it, in fact no one is even watching, these people just go full slav retards and die.
>>488337745Goodluck with zero logistics and like 10 mags and two days worth of water. Mechwarfare aint going nowhere. Anti drone tech needs to step up its game. It wont be long before shit like top turret mgs will be replaced with automated anti drone guns.
>>488368290The problem is, when this tech gets too kino for any kind of infantry operations at all, they'll just give up and start throwing around tactical nukes.
>>488337745retard
>>488342734You could at least surrender back then. Drone operators are too removed from the reality of what they're doing to care, and we descend further into industrial mass slaughter.
>>488340347Correct. 60% of the casualties in WWI were from artillery. 70% of casualties in WWII were from artillery. And I've seen anywhere up to 80% of the estimated war casualties being from artillery in this war. There is either a trend, or an established orthodoxy. Yet, you won't find a single WWI or WWII movie that reflects this reality, because it's not cinematic. Drones are a force multiplier, and they all come equipped with cameras. So you have arm-chair general retards that see all of these videos, and get a different picture than what's going on on the ground. If you look at the modern battlefield, you can clearly see it's designed entirely around artillery. There is no new tech that has provided a revolution in modern warfare. Artillery is still king. Not sure why this is even controversial.
>>488368643I think the safety of drone operators is very questionable. They are top-priority for higher-level and long-range fires, even if they aren't in the treeline right in contact.
>>488337745Aye, it's back to trenches now.>>488337907True, but if there is a guy on foot and vehicle, the drone will target the vehicle.
>>488368667Drones ARE artillery.
>>488347250Breaking the Phalanx was some End of History bullshit nonsense that the US Army DID more or less use as a template for the modern BCT. Guess what, it fucking sucks for any actual large scale conflict and they're switching back to division sized formations
>>488368667>Yet, you won't find a single WWI or WWII movie that reflects this reality, because it's not cinematicKek true. Or imagine a video game in which the only thing that happens is you get blown up by an artillery shell at random intervals.
>>488349390>What comes after it will be even gayer and more soulless.Death from orbital satelite specifically targetting an individual sitting in a chair typing shitposts.
>>488365657>artillery aims at an areaModern artillery with guided munitions is extremely accurate. It absolutely can be aimed at a cluster of individuals.
>>488339005Yes, this is the most soulless, pointless way to die in war yet. Fragged by some nerd with a flying RC car.
>>488368952Not quite on the same level as Artillery.Artillery is designed for maximum damage radius around its central detonation, meaning if the explosive force does not directly kill you, the shrapnel will. Even shrapnel as small as a grain of sand hitting you at such a high velocity can shut down organs in your body, or maim and incapacitate you from being able to continue operating on he battlefield.
>>488365966Yes. 100% fake. Not even proper sized full drones carrying the proper thing to defeat such armor like tandum rpg rounds can defeat a tank to anything close to this nature and that would require an incredible ammo rack detonation. 90s of the time it creates a fire in the tank and the crew has to bail and it will eventually cause a large explosion.What might be possible is it could be a suicided drone tank packed with explosives but this is to small for that. There has only been a handful of incidents like that and usually its more archaic like they throw a brick on the gas and charge it across the field towards an enemy tree line and detonate it.
>>488368526Pretty much a return to the 60s when it seemed land warfare had skewed so hard to favoring whomever had the largest and most advanced tank army (it was the Soviets) that trying to defend against it was pointless so their doctrine was just to use nukes immediately. But then, the ATGM came around and the calculus changed. The same will likely happen with drones.
>>488339032And noone will give a shit. Chemical weapons were only stopped being used when they became ineffective due to counter measures.
>Its another "drones are wunderwaffen" threadFuck off back to your containment general retard.
>>488348005Aircraft carriers are still useful as a way of projecting force. Not all of China and America's adversaries have hypersonic missiles.
>>488339348nobody will give a shit since only winners can say what is a crime. And only those using the drones fully will win now. The best part of this, is the next civil war anywhere outside of africa is going to be utterly FILLED with drones, and the governments of the world are going to be horrified at the speed of how horrifically fast their brothers died and fell against both insurgencies and drone supported combat against their 'regular' forces.
>>488368667>There is no new tech that has provided a revolution in modern warfare. Artillery is still king. Not sure why this is even controversial.The only pushback I'd give is that artillery is king in absence of air superiority. Both sides have much stronger air defense than they do air forces so air power hasn't been decisive. The US and NATO emphasize SEAD/DEAD so heavily that I'd be shocked if a war with them would look the same.
>>488369820Hypersonics are a meme. They're never going to be able to do what people want besides be overexpensive terror weapons.
>>488370242Hypersonics are not a meme at all. They have a high percentage rate of avoiding AA systems. Even in countries with the best modern AA tech.
>>488370091>artillery is king in absence of air superiority.Absolutely true. I should have mentioned that important bit of context.
>>488370506They do. But they're also inaccurate as fuck. Fine for a nuke, not ideal for a conventional weapon.
>>488337991
>>488370506Shhh I want this guy to lead the charge for dying for Israel. Let him think he can win on copes as he thinks gambling billion dollar aircraft carriers over "memes". A naval Admiral would actually make the poop deck what its name sounds like it is and have him swab it 18 hours a day.
>>488370783Take your meds
>>488370647It will improve in accuracy in the coming years. They are good for taking out buildings and stationary objects, but yes other than that, they are inaccurate as fuck.
>>488370838Die for Israel! Be the man you were always meant to be! Lead the US military to victory! Put this man in charge.
>>488370873I'm not convinced they will see significant accuracy improvements. The issues are baked into physics. They're simply too fucking fast to *be* accurate. And yeah, an aircraft carrier is a big target but its also a moving target. You'd probably have to empty the clip to actually hit one.
>>488371005The multipolar world is never happening.
>>488371103It already has. You are just watching the gap grow wider in slow motion. Jews show zero signs of backing off from it either.
>>488371052For sure. You would essentially need to barrage an aircraft carrier to accurately damage it (and that is only if you can manage to get past the carrier fleets AA systems first), which is almost impossible at this point.
>>488338440>it's tape
