What is going on at TSMC?
No idea but that person is really seething
>>488420235They hired lefties buy the sounds of it.I think that is the problem with bringing chip manufacturing back to teh US. It needs workers with degrees who have all been turned in to snowflakes at university.
>>488420619Yes they seem to be conflating 'voters' in Arizona, with 'workers at a factory'.
Here's what's going on:They want the freebie tax rebates and free land and government billions to build their facility, and then they want to hire nothing but foreign workers.
>>488420235classic liberals. this is why Russia and China already won.
>>488420235Look at this socialist defending a transnational corporation cannibalizing its new workforce that they are, essentially, colonizing in a foreign land. What a time to be alive lol.
>>488420871Yes, it's called capitalism.
>9800x3D finally goes back in stock on Amazon>quickly order it before it goes out of stock again>expected delivery date January 26
>>488420235Soulless bug chinks want to recreate their thirdie working conditions in the first world, are surprised when Amerilards don't want to work 19 hours a day.
>>488421001>capitalismunethical capitalism*
>>488420871yes, because ameribrowns are retarded.
>>488420235That faggot doesnt understand why Chinx should NEVER be allowed to work in American factories producing American goods.No, not only computer chips at TSMC which is already a massive national security breach.All of American manufacturing all together. Chinks should be disallowed from producing American goods in America.They have an in-group preference that directly opposes whites and Americans.
>>488424401In Italy, Chinese companies bought all the companies that make handbags and fashionable clothes. And they fly in workers from China to work at the factories. So they can still say its made in Italy.
>>488420235Expel all non-whites from our lands.
>>488420235Round eye dog too stupid to think
>>488421761>>488420235Simple, we are using the Asians to quickly build up the factory so when Taiwan gets invaded we can simply continue operation.
>>488420235>some literally who on TwitterNothing there has been constant battles between American workers and TSMC leadership because they are used to working with Chinese slave caste people and Americans won’t put in 100 hours a week with no breaks for 45k annually T. Zonie bro, also there was a whole attempt to say American workers “couldn’t hack it” because TSMC wanted more h1b visas to ship in chunks and the government told them to suck a dick thankfully
>>488420235>>488424401Has our government really not figured out that Taiwan and China are on the same side?
>>488425109>chinese tourist cone to Italy>buyine local souvenirs>they all made in ChinaIt's hard to be Chinese now. You want some European goods, but Europeans are retarded and can't produce anything, so they export goods from China
>>488421001>a nigger is worth the same as a chinese engineer in American dollars>capitalism's faultKinda I guess.
>>488425488This would be the intelligent goal but I doubt they're that smart to follow through with it. They'll fuck it up somehow.
>>488425514There are no other options. It's a hard job that requires you to be disciplined and absolutely clean. Therefore, the shift should be 12 hours and the work should go on constantly, without stopping
>>488420235There are not enough resident's of Arizona who are capable of working in leading edge fabs. - AZ resident
>How mysteriousSlopes are so fucking lame
>>488420235>be TSMC>do commercialized contract manufacturing for chip developers in US>get contracts because cheap labor>US asks you to bring plants to US>purposely sabotage by picking the worst place to build a plant (AZ, chip production requires ass tons of water)>delay and say it isn’t possible>Trump wins >says gtf here or no more business>say you can’t hire Americans and need H1B for Asians that you can pay a quarter of the salary for>locals are pissedThis is literally what is happening. Federal government should just subsidize start up for a few domestic chip manufacturers and cut out TSMC, they don’t have any special skill set as we develop all chips and methods here, we just outsource commercial manufacturing due to labor cost.Anyone telling you different is uninformed or a liar.
>>488420998>colonizing in a foreign landNot really. Uncle Sam brought them home just in case Taiwan is no more and to learn the whole manufacturing process.
>>488426027It’s not that Americans “won’t do it” they won’t do it for the price Asians will they have to get used to spending more for American workers. Tuff titties This fab is also the most high tech fab they’ve ever built like 80% of the progress is done with machines you can fuck right off Russian faggot shouldn’t you be in the trenches?
>>488426031Bullshit. Commercial manufacturing doesn’t require a huge number of knowledgeable staff, 99% of it is low skill labor that can be trained in under 90 days.
>>488420871I work the plant, we literally cannot find enough competent Americans.
>>4884263031. Water isn’t a problem in Arizona Intel, Honeywell, OnSemi, microchips have had fabs in Arizona for DECADES 2. The U.S. HAS subsidized billions for these plants 3. The rest is correct the Asians got subsidies to offset the cost of American labor and like the fat little piggies they are they want to still get cheap Asian labor on H1b Fuck tsmc they can fuck off an die or they can make their chips here and pay American wages
>>488426031Do they train people? Is it expensive to get a cert?
>white peopleI find it cute that chinks don't realize the government is suing to put niggers in the factory, not whites.
>>488426031You are a dipshit there’s been massive chip fabs in Phoenix for 40 years
>>488426031It's all medium skill grunt work. All of the cutting edge shit is done by the Americans & the Dutch.
>>488426415Bull shit, if that’s the case then it’s intentional. See >>488426390You’re a liar.
>>488420235>What is going on at TSMC?pic related is whats going on>>488420871>They want the freebie tax rebates and free land and government billions to build their facility, and then they want to hire nothing but foreign workers.because there is literally ZERO American workers 'skilled' in the chip industrythe US literally has to somehow convince the entire TSMC staff to move to the US to run the Fab here, because no one knows how in America, and wont for decadesIm pretty sure Taiwan said 'no' to that, and the entire plant is basically a fucking scam that is already DOA
>>488426548This is another factor companies have grown to just expect the world to supply them “trained” workers on the spot Like the entire American university system has become a farm league for corporations. Before college was ubiquitous companies spent tons of money finding talent and training talent now they want talent on a platter paid for by the state Fuck these corpo leeches. You want a skilled workforce FUCKING TRAIN THEM
>>488424401Enjoy not having any factories then.
>>488426523Water has been the excuse they’ve been using. They picked Arizona specifically to say that.It’s not legitimate, but it’s intentional
>>488426415This whole problem would be solved if we simply made university free for anyone with an SAT/ACT score in the 90th percentile and above (I was in the 98th percentile) as long as they go into degrees considered to be of national security importance by the gubmint, like semiconductor engineering. Just let smart people get degrees and get to work.
>>488426362most americans knowledgeable enough to work there don't want to work 12 hours night shifts on the weekends. I'd be curious to find out what they pay had to be to compel them to do it
>>488426608this isnt manufacturing sheet metal for cars dumbfuck, its a chip foundry basically the most complex human endeavor currentlythe US has no workers for thisit has no industry for thisit has no educational pipeline for this
>>488420235Just get in their face and intimidate them? They're fucking asians, it can't be that hard to scare them off.
>>488420871They won't profit from this factory in the first place it's 100% political investment. It's going to produce outdated 5nm process at 50% higher price. While Taiwan is already mass producing 3nm and moving to 2nm. Arizona fab is only allowed to make 2nm since 2028 when Taiwan fabs are two generations ahead.
>>488421001>Capitalism is when socialismNaruhodo
>>488426610>because there is literally ZERO American workers 'skilled' in the chip industry>the US literally has to somehow convince the entire TSMC staff to move to the US to run the Fab here, because no one knows how in America, and wont for decadesThis is not true the USA has never stopped making high end chips. Taiwan just wants cheap labor for their mass produced smartphone chips they will be making in Arizona
>>488426699They are full of shit they have a cheap deal water contract with SRP and they have an on site recycling plant that recycles like 80% of their water This is a complete lie there’s dozens of chip fabs in the Phoenix metro
>>488424401Have fun with Intel chips that are 30% slower and melt after a year.
>>488426415Whatever you do, don't invest in people and develop them into what you need. Instead, just import foreigners....
>>488421001Then you should be super pumped about trump deportation and tariff plans
>>488420235>break law>get sued>UMMM EXSQUEEZE ME BUT YALL VOOTED FOR DRUMPFNot a\n argument. The jury finds the defendant guilty as charged.
>>488426745This is not true this is H1b propoganda >there’s no American workers who can do chip work despite an existing massive chip industry in America and we are the people who Invented modern chips >oh but these Chinese slaves with no education we train for 3 years and pay garbage they have the skills Fuck off
>>488426415Reminder that good old boys from this state engineered and built all the saturn rockets that were used to get us to the moon.
>>488426745I know you think you are special, but your role is not complex and the average manufacturing worker does not have a complex role. You’re full of shit.>hurr durr it isn’t sheet metalElon is literally building rockets with former automotive workers.You are a stupid arrogant liar
>>488420815It's a chink bugbot. Its understanding of democracy is null.
>>488426988Its complete lies they just want cheap labor American workers are extremely high skill These fucking people really want to convince you that the USA with the most advanced and productive economy on earth, that invents literally everything is “not skilled enough” These people should be shot
>>488426855I know this, I’m just stating the excuse they are giving. I wasn’t clear, so I apologize.The US should just subsidize American companies and fuck over TSMC asap.
>>488426415I work at the plant too. This is incorrect. The job doesn't have competitive pay so people leave for better positions elsewhere. Capitalism. Importing foreign workers is anti capitalist. I'm interviewing other places. Fuck you Chang. Find me in the bathroom by the office I'm shitting right now and on my phone.
>>488427093Yeah, they're really evil little jews.
>>488420235>how mysterious! people complain about niggers being hired just for being niggers, then turn around and complain about being bullied at work for being white!that's not the own she thinks it is, but that's probably someone with very limited cognitive abilities tb h
>>488420235basedI support racism in all forms
>>488427008As if tsmc cant spend some money training workers here In one of the few based Biden moves they actually told TSMC to do that a year or two ago last time the agitated for more h1b’s. TSMC caved and now funds a training incubator for chip talent
>>488426988They still manufacture chips and high end military tech in Huntsville, much more complicated than faggot chink TSMCt. bama fag that works in manufacturing
>>488427008>I-It's not true, w-we're not a brown country with brown-tier IQ and brown-tier ability
>>488427093US industry is less productive, less automated and more expensive than Asia. That's a fact.
>>488426720Bar foreigners from US universities. The spots will be filled.
>>488427008>>488426956Americans wont work for or in the conditions that "world leading " chip fabricator requiresin order to remain the leading edge chip fabricator TSMC has employment practices and working conditions that are unpalatable to most Americansbecause TSMC is a profit-driven business, it will simply chose not to engage in the American market this way, and instead America will have to learn how to tone the rhetoric down, clean its behavior up and learn how to be a good "international friend" to parties in Asia and abroad, unless it wants to lose its stupidly-placed overseas business's
>>488427212I didn't even mean to imply that you guys weren't still doing that. This guy is from Alabama and despite the slightly funny accent he's more intelligent than 99% of all leftists.
>>488420235What the fuck are micro aggregations
>>488420235Effectivity, presumably.Asians are not fond of American "presentism" in work, they expect you to actually work when you're there rather than just pretending to and boasting about your long hours.
>>488427142Yes they don’t want to pay American labor rates The entire reason TSMC and the entire Asian manufacturing economy exists is because they could undercut American labor (with the joyful sing-off of our traitorous elites) they aren’t super smart or talented it’s entirely built of cheap labor Tsmc doesn’t even design chips they just build to specs
>>488427212Its corpo lies tell them to fuck off
>>488427187They absolutely could and they should be forced to. They just keep giving hollow excuses to try and keep their cheap labor.>muh water>muh untrained americans They’ll try anything and stupid leftists and chinks will echo these bullshit slogans online.It’s all a lie, even building a plant for fab isn’t really an issue as we build them all the time in Huntsville, Phoenix, and Austin
>>488420235Trying to get Niggers to work. Ngmi.
>>488427212You have no idea what you are talking about. Smartphones use more advanced chips that fighter jets.
>>488427262>>488427249Look at these desperate goblins clinging to false superiority You only exist because your cheaper than Americans and Britt’s and Germans
>>488427187>As if tsmc cant spend some money training workers herethey dont have the 10 or 15 years to do it, and TSMC isnt a fucking 'education provider'America should have had education pipelines A DECADE AGO for chip-fabbing, but it didnt because America bought the jew /k/ike "the end of history" dogshit, and truly believed the world was 'settled' and there would be 1000 years of carrier-diplomacy in the east, with Uncle Sams boot on their face foreverthe opposite has happened and the US is in basically no place to tell anyone anything anymore
this “how mysterious” “curious” type shit needs to go
>>488425109Yes I remember that was exactly how covid got to Europe so quickly.
>>488427287Its been forced too and they’ll do as told
>>488420235DEI programs are discriminatory you stupid bitch that's the entire problem.
>>488420235If voters in Arizona decided that equality and diversity are unnecessary, it looks fair. Either find white supremacist job or be the second class at TSMC, it is not that bad if money is good.
>>488427287>we have to have the high standard of $30k engineer salaries and 80 hour work weeks with to OTkys
>>488427423>niggers >arizona Lmao no Arizona is 66% whites and 33% Mexican with. Smattering of japs and poos
>>488427431You think you know something but you’re Polish and don’t
>>488427453Then it's time for TSMC to use their 845.19 billion market value to start educating us.
>>488427453>companies shouldn’t train their own workforce the STATE should provide them workers You need to kys immediately
>>488420235>"A" in asian capitalized>"W" in White lowercase
>>488427319>What the fuck are micro aggregationsThe micro is an SI unit prefix that represents a factor of one millionth, or 10−6. The symbol for micro is the Greek letter mu, µSo it takes one million micro aggression (or agregations) add up to 1 regular aggression.sauce: My autism.
>>488420754>It needs workers with degreesNo it doesn't. They are just machine operators. They want degrees because they want people with student debt so they cant quit.
>>488427453They could train employees with a 90 day program, I’ve literally done it. You don’t need to be super high speed rocket man to monitor the equipment and alert a supervisor if something goes wrong.You only need like 1% of the staff to be highly skilled.
>>488427483>Its been forced too and they’ll do as toldno they wont, and good luck with that attitude in the coming years>>488427520you faggot retard, TSMC-US doesnt exist in a bubbleTSMC knows the difference in labor markets and has absolutely no incentive to choose SHITTIER American employees who have outrageous demands both politically and salary wise, who in the end will literallly NEVER be happy (look at the automotive industry)TSMC doesnt want to end up like GM, and who can fucking blame themthe American TSMC experiment is designed to fail, so the US government can swoop in and steal it for pennies on the dollarthats it
>>488427439the chinks will be flying over your shithole cities in spaceships while you'll still claim you're relevant.
>>488427808Smarr trillion dollar famiry company that controls the world. Not enough money to train 5 Americans.
>>488427845Tsmc is being subsidized to the tune of billions it’s a critical industry They will do as told
>>488420235Only seamonkeys can make 3nm.AMSL makes the fab machines in The Netherlands with gigantic stacks of lenses made in Germany.Neither of them can make 3nm.Niggers in Arizona sure as shit can't make 3nm.Only seamonkeys can make 3nm.
>>488426988>used to get us to the moon.No they weren't.
>>488427212Then what's the problem? Scale it up instead of relying on TSMC. After all they are so much better.
>>488427943Fuck of jew.
>>488427845I’m sorry, I didn’t realize Taiwanese chips were artisan hand crafted items and not a commercialized automated production.
>>488427850>chinks will fly over us with spaceships The only people with working space ships is the USA they are all owned by Elon if you forgot LMAO desperate cope nigger take
>>488427599>just give your competitive advantage to us on your own expenselol
>>488427960Hand out contracts and subsidization, like the gov gave tsmc, to an American company to do it and they would
>>488427599>Then it's time for TSMC to use their 845.19 billion market value to start educating us.why?it would cost billions, and have little to no tangible 'gain' over the employees they already have, they pay half as much thousands of miles away>>488427637i never said any of that you filthy kikei said TSMC has no incentive to become some cultural education provider, its outside of the scope of what TSMC doesit cant build an education pipeline for Americaits on American universities to create these, so companies have a pool of pre-skilled potential employees it can then "get over the finish line" for specialized skills per-job>>488427808>You only need like 1% of the staff to be highly skilled.not even that exists, and if it does, its not willing to buy into the 'corporate culture' TSMC asks of its employees (work day/hrs etc)
>>488427960We have tons of chip manufacturing TSMC chose to manufacture in America due to subsidies, Intel, micron, microchip, onSemi, Samsung, Honeywell etc etc all have us fabs You don’t know what you ware talking about
>>488428036Yes. If you want to use our land, get tax deductions and breaks, then you need to hire our people, train them, and pay them well. If you want your cake and to eat it too, then get the fuck out of our country or enjoy lead breakfast - jew.
>>488427850so? taiwan is officially doomed. they are relocating the factories because both the US and China want a proxy war in thereif the US didn't want it, they could just give taiwan nukes. if china didn't want it, they could just let it be and not try to claim the territory with violencehowever both sides think they can profit from killing a few thousand taiwanese guys
>>488420235lol, it's not whites who are getting passed over there. If they could get enough whites, it'd not be the problem it is.
>>488428036They are being subsidized >>488428112All co
>>488427925they just told you>fuck off, you're getting >=2 gen behind scraps
>>488428112>why?Okay then, get the fuck out of country. Thanks for building the semi conductor factory you yellow jew.
>>488428112All companies have become expectant to the state to provide them skilled workers That’s not how it used to work it’s a modern pathology >why do WE need to train our workers that isn’t our business model Okay well guess what then nobody will be able to work for you faggot
>>488428112>we need slave labor to make the most profitable product on the market workGreedy chink on display
>>488426884This.When China and even Taiwan wanted to develop their chip industries, what did they do? They invested in universities specifically to churn out students who could work at those factories. It took four years before the first batch of them arrived, and now look at the results.
>>488427925>Tsmc is being subsidized to the tune of billions it’s a critical industry>They will do as toldthey will not and the US can do precisely nothing about it except threaten to bomb them. thats itthats all the US can do to put "pressure" on TSMCit cant sanction its own critical industry>>488427988>I’m sorry, I didn’t realize Taiwanese chips were artisan hand crafted itemsi guess you learn something everyday, dont you retard?
>>488428177Chink in Romania I presume
>>488420235DEI doesn't include whites anyway, it's designed to be anti white
>>488428142>>488428143just watch as it fails, lol. nobody is retarded to hand over trillions of market share for 10bn fake paper tokens.You also got told to fuck off, so whatever you think is working, it ain't.
>>488420235>micro-aggressions
>>488428235Orange man's tariffs better also include humans. kike companies outsourcing literally everything is also a huge problem for our country.
>>488428242It’s a fucking lie the USA has plenty of chip talent they just don’t want to pay for them
>>488427599It's funny because Taiwan's GDP is only like 1 trillion. TSMC is taiwan.
>>488427808they train the american workers in taiwan in a 9 month program
>>488427520He's right though. Probably you shouldn't have built a TSMC factory in the USA in the first place. Americans are too fat and lazy.
>>488428316>everyone who sees us as the brown jew-serving sludge we are is a chinksa ma sugi de pula, amerigoblin nespalat.
>>488428261Are you a foreigner? Its fine if you are I would be less angry at you if you are If you are actually an American you deserve to be killed
>>488428261>every argument he tries to make disintegrates immediately>calls me the retardYou’ve lost baby dick. Crawl back to your mommy and cry how unfair life is instead of angrily screeching bullshit here.
>>488428338Truth be told, nobody gives a shit about the opinions of a gypsy jew. Your god tsmc is going to get fucked, but don't worry I'm sure you can find some poor woman's purse to snatch to take out your frustrations.
>>488425514We need to revoke the EUV licensing agreement for ASML agreement and threaten to drone strike their factory if they produce and ship another machine. And yes, faggots, the US government does indeed "own" EUV technology.
>>488420235horrible asian company believes horrible asian management philosophy/practices remotely flys with americans, the most productive of which have other options for employment
>>488426766>This is not true the USA has never stopped making high end chips.Name some high end chips made by amerimutts. Even just one.
>>488420235Have you tried race mixing more with niggers?
>>488424401The sooner you realize this about pajeets the better, because America is about to import millions of them, and once they get some kind of managerial position in a company they immediately only start hiring pajeets only.
>>488428404>>488428393Third worlders think they know shit Lmao fucking Russians and Romanians of all people literally dying peoples
>>488420235To be fair, we don't even have much semiconductor experience because the people who studied that shit in school realized there weren't any jobs that required it. That is if the school was stupid enough to even teach it. Of course there's going to be a dearth of Americans that can create semiconductors, it's just not taught. Long Dong and his cohort of Taiwanese CS grads are much more equipped to build them because it's embedded within their society.
>>488428184>Okay then, get the fuck out of countrythats literally what TSMC chose you retarded faggot>>488428235ITS NOT THE STATE YOU FUCKERits the (((For profit))) American education system, FAILING AGAIN to produce RELEVANTLY skilled workersinstead of students in chip fabwe STILL have dumb fuck social-art majors>>488428239its not 'greed' you simple fuck, its the REALITY OF A GLOBALIZED WORK FORCEits almost as if every country has an entirely different economic modeli guarantee that TSMC-Taiwan employees are 'well paid' equivalents in their country>>488428242>When China and even Taiwan wanted to develop their chip industries, what did they do? They invested in universities specifically to churn out students who could work at those factories. It took four years before the first batch of them arrived, and now look at the results.this is literally the only way, except US education systems are designed solely to produce utterly valueless retards incapable of even rational thought, let alone 'high level'
>>488428242TSMC was literally created by a single island chink who worked at Intel for a few years and got sick of lazy burgers goofing off.No decades-long training programme needed - just hard and conscientious work.
You're response, wypipo?
>>488428550We already have millions of those shit skins. We're actually in the hate pajeets and they'll be the cause of our civil war phase.>>488428587>TSMC chose to get the fuck out of our country>by building a factoryThe fuck does this knuckle dragging mouth breather mean by this?
>>488428550Pajeets should be hunted for sport in the west
>>488428451The USA makes its own high end chipsBelieve it or not your GPU and processor isn’t a high end chip Kek
>>488426415I live in Phoenix, the pay at your plant is shit.
>>488428587>for profit education system So you are a chink
>>488428127>IntelNot for long >SamsungKorean>micron, microchip, onSemi, Honeywell Just subsidize them then. I'm sure they will be as competetive as intel
>>488428338literally who caresthey're not handing over anything it's their factorythey shouldn't even be subsidized, they also benefit from having a factory there
>>488428688>Can't name even oneExactly, you dumb nigger.
>>488428644>americans are retarded fat discount jews that should be kept out of anything critical.Seems based and accurate to me.
>>488428587Cool, well we should stop protecting shipping via the US navy and end the globalized work force that we created, protect, and subsidize at our expense.Because we created it and sustain it, it’s our and we don’t have to do it.
>>488428688This thread is about GPUs and processors though.
>>488428632Its insane to me people suck that line down, >clearly the chink is just too good Lmao what? Such a demoralized people
>>488428848We produce those too stinky
>>488428853One propaganda stops as another propaganda starts.
>>488428783I don’t know the names I know they build them here because the military requires it I don’t need to know the brand names it’s a literal fact you are free to google for yourself
>>488428431>It’s a fucking lie the USA has plenty of chip talent they just don’t want to pay for themyou cant stamp your faggot hooves and scream "youre brown" all you want, it doesnt change anything about the dismal reality of the American chip-fab employee pool or the chip-fab education pipeline>>488428433faggot say-nothing /k/ike poster off his containment board 1 step away from saying "youre brown" or some other /k/ike vocabulary word shit like thatTSMC literally pulled out of this shit thanks to DEI anyway, this fab will never produce ANYTHING on the scale that is done in taiwan, EVER>>488428441>and threaten to drone strike their factory if they produce and ship another machinewe are already doing thatsee >>488426610unironically, a great deal of Chinas mission in taiwan is ensuring the US cannot detonate TSMC in a fit of rage
>>488428695it is that way because the american education system puts out so few competent individuals that somebody who could cut it in a foundry is seen as a very expensive asset.in a country like taiwan your skill level is sub-mediocre which is why they can find plenty of good cheap workers.
>>488428853Nobody else can do it. End of story.Do you also deny that spear-chuckers are quite good at running?
>>488428973>jew starts calling other people jewsHow unexpected.
>>488427127The problem is Intel has been shooting their own foot for a decade now and Texas Instruments hasn't been a bleeding edge fab in twice that amount of time (focuses on still needed chips that don't scale down really). Intel needs to get their shit together on being a contract manufacturer that can deliver on a schedule. Then even if they still fuck up their own chips other chip IP can still be made at their plants.
>>488428973>/k/ikeHello troonYou gonna rope yet? Can’t wait for NATO to collapse and Taiwan to get no lube butt fucked by chinks and america simultaneously
>>488427656Asia is a continent. White is not.
>>488420871I remember reading an article about work culture in TSMC in Tiawan and they said they can't believe how non-asians are unable to follow orders. Maybe it's a cultural but the west needs to wake up, they can't compete. TSMC in Ameria with American workers is way less productive than TSMC in Tiawan. Food for thought
>>488429053They don’t want to do contract Manufacturing because they can’t compete with slave labor wages in Taiwan. Tariff the chinks to death and suddenly the kikes running America will have no choice but reshore, of course they’ll kvetch like the faggots crying in this thread
>>488428973> you cant stamp your faggot hooves and scream "youre brown" all you want,THERE IT IS HES A FUCKING CHINK Go home you FAGGOT. I will no longer discuss this with a subversive foreign asset
>>488428941An enthusiastic amateur could fabricate the chips used in almost all military hardware.Just because they're proprietary doesn't make them bleeding-edge tech.
>>488428819>Cool, well we should stop protecting shipping via the US navy and end the globalized work force that we created, protect, and subsidize at our expense.>Because we created it and sustain it, it’s our and we don’t have to do it.fine fucking retard throw a hissy fit and do that^China would be dissassembling TSMC's fabs by the end of that same work day, and you could kiss 'western hegemony' goodbye forever at that point>>488428747do you really actually think US universities dont function "For profit" do you really actually think that?>>488428941>because the military requires itAHAHAAHHHAHAHHAHAthe US doesnt even get propellants for its own explosives from itself, and you think our "chips" are 'required' to be made here?the absolute state of this thread
>>488429255This
>>488429329Shut up go home chicom get out of my country
>>488429329We’d just blow up Taiwan before letting China take it. Taiwan would not survive a Chinese invasion.
>I thought voters voted against thisLmao because white people will never ever see the benefits of this system. The big kicker is that when white people become a minority they still won't see any benefits of this sytem.
>>488420235gook scabs is whats going on
>>488429290They can absolutely build it here.Everyone’s been convinced by corpo Jews that Americans “can’t” because they’ve built the entire global system off labor arbitrageAmericans are now demoralized and actually believe it and don’t have the will to work hard since our elites have undercut them for decades Fuck this entire thing. Down with globalization
>>488429255>Tariff the chinks to deathI'm sure all american fabs will be able to produce viable alternatives now that us companies will have to pay 420% percent more for their AI accelerators and other high end electronics.
>>488429545They will We did it before we had chink slaves did it and we can do it again
>>488429329>the US doesnt even get propellants for its own explosives from itself, and you think our "chips" are 'required' to be made here?They made a huge stink about the military buying Chinese magnets for the F-35. By law, I'm pretty sure the US is supposed to manufacture all of their components in the US.
>>488429040>>488429103>Can’t wait for NATO to collapse and Taiwan to get no lube butt fucked by chinks and america simultaneouslySAME^nato and taiwan deserve their fates>>488429259absolute clown faggot /k/ike just like i said>"implessive"holy fuckliterally step into traffic fuckerits absolutely pathetic watching /k/ikes grapple with the reality its not 1991 and America cant just stamp its feet, or aim a gun at (insert country) to get its way
>>488429599Can’t even say kikeGet fucked you communist subversive I hope you get the electric chair when your caught selling secretes back to your homeland faggot
>>488429489They removed affirmative action when whites became the minority
>>488429255Intel isn't losing on price (to AMD an American company) but also on actual quality and performance and power consumption.
>>488429599And you will get deported to starve in a food insecure China chinky
>>488429707I think it'll go full south africa if/when things become demographically worse. It's hilarious how out in the open this shit is, they don't even have to think about hiding it anymore.
>>488429452they're already producing for Huawei on the DL; big scandal 2 months ago.In truth, TSMC is preparing for both a peaceful and a getting glassed scenario and China is way closer to home than USA so it would be retarded to give you anything but scraps. Which is what they're doing.You'll play in the sand in Arizona like the good goy you are, say thank you master for the leftovers and in case you throw a hissy fit, all of TSMC's tech goes to china in 24h.China wouldn't nuke Taiwan, you would, and the taiwanese know it.
>>488421001Nobody wants crony capitalism faggot. Go be a commie someplace else. We want a socially conservative capitalist nation with good social insurance, workers rights, unions, etc. Fuck Republicans, fuck libertarians, most of all fuck commies and rose waving pinko socialists.
>>488420815Also conflating anti-discrimination laws with DEI
>>488420235Not once, in the text of your screencap, did the author explain what TSMC represents.FAIL!Zero on the final.
>>488426415>we literally cannot find enough competent Americans.Have you tried paying more? Or God forbid, training employees? I have an Electrical Engineering degree but TSMC is offering something retarded like $70k/year for experienced engineers. Why do that and work long days in a factory when I can sit in my pajamas and make way more?
>>488429720They literally design the chips and send them to Taiwan for mass production. You don’t even understand the concept of contract manufacturing and should just quit talking.
>>488429533Regardless of what you claim:the machines that fabricate the chips are made in The Netherlands with lenses made in Germany and neither of those countries can make the chips either.IF THEY COULD THEN:*drumroll*they fucking would because the market is worth billions.Only seamonkeys can make 3nm.
>>488429599>also america can’t just point a gun it isn’t 1991Oh on the contrary that’s exactly what we can do, our traitorous leaders sold us out but that’s over now. Your entire country was risen out of rice farming irrelevancy because our elites wanted your cheap labor We made you. And now we’ll end you
>>488429452>We’d just blow up Taiwan before letting China take it.NO SHIT, we literally tell this to taiwans face>>488429415>"just give taiwan muh sanctioooooooons, and force the wittle chinx to do our bidding"lmfao how have sanctions worked so far elsewhere you colossal faggot?>>488429594>By law, I'm pretty sure the US is supposed to manufacture all of their components in the US.a law written on toilet paper a politician wipes his ass withthe US has international supply chains for fucking EVERYTHINGwhich is why we UTTERLY RELY on china for gun cottonFOR FUCKING GUN COTTON>the most "we got big gunzzzzzzzzzz" nation on earth, cant even manufacture its own ammunitionthink about thatliterally think about how ludicrous that is
>>488428632If you don’t think he was heavily backed by the Taiwanese government then you are ignorant.
>>488429823We literally have forces in Taiwan retard. Enough forces to level it before China could even mobilize.
>>488429239>TSMC in Ameria with American workers is way less productive than TSMC in Tiawan.no shit, there's a big culture difference in how good management is done and there's almost zero experience in the US in fab manufacturing. There's just a complete lack of education, and those that are out there will command salaries too high for the companies to stomach. It CAN be done, it's just if they're going to go through with it and pay for it.
>>488429592if it's that easy why dont you start by doing it yourself. dont buy anything chink anymore.
>>488429867Lmao you can make 70k a year doing literally nothing in an office email job and they want skilled workers for thatPathetic
>>488420235I heard they have to hire foreign workers because the American workers are too stupid. That being said they should just try and poach some white tech bros from California or Boeing.
>>488429941They’ve worked great, manufacturing has been booming in the USA but unfortunately that causes inflation How’s your homeland doing LMAO
>>488420235That's okay Arizona militias can just raze itPut me on the grand jury and they'll go Scott free
>>488420235The E in DEI doesn’t stand for equality, it stands for equity.
>>488420235You can probably get an American to work a 10hr six days if you gave them like 60K we all know these fuckjobs make 60B profit yearlyThere is not a non-Asian man on this entire planet that would work a 16 hour 7 day a week and that is why we said what the fuck. Maybe instead of saying we are LAZY why not say why are Asians so goddamn KEKED, like fight for your work-life balance bitches. Come on!
>>488429941Pretty easy to see a bunch of lazy, ass-backwards politicians who are decades out of date are the problem. How else do you think a country like the US gets into stupid shit like that?
>>488429995We already do >>488429976 USA has tons of fab manufacturing TSMC simply doesn’t want to pay that’s all
>>488420235It's our country, stupid slant-eyed fuck
>>488430050copeif they poach from other companies, the country as a whole doesn't gain anything at all. they should hire people with the required skills who would otherwise be unemployed. otherwise what's the point of subsidizing them?
>>488429867>Have you tried paying more?I thought the entire point was to make things cheaper
>>488429875I'm saying you are a retard. If Intel had their contract manufacturing working (which they have been trying for years at this point, but their fab side engineers are used to working tightly with chip designers), we could have AMD designed chips on Intel silicon and have it be 100% American. We could also have Qualcomm IP on Intel silicon and have fully US made phone/tablet shit also.But keep up your retarded bitchfit, that will help.
>>488430050 >>488430204they want cheap labor that’s why Asia exists as a manufacturing power We want increased wages the era of cheap labor is over
>>488429941So the US holds all the cards, we could make the CEO of TSMC blow Trump on national TV. Why should we let these little faggots lie about labor shortages?
>>488420235Just steal the tech and leak it
>>488420235be whiteget bullied by foreigners stop working for them it's literally that easyif you come into the new company and they have nonwhites do a 360 and just walk away whites are the global minority and white nations are being FLOODED with nonwhtieslike relocating all street dogs of the world into a reservation for endangered wolves....wtf man
>>488429664>*you repulsive kike jew off his containment board>kike kike reptile rat>>488429771just say 'implessive' or "youre brown" and go back to /k/ cum eater>>488429823>You'll play in the sand in Arizona like the good goy you are, say thank you master for the leftovers and in case you throw a hissy fit, all of TSMC's tech goes to china in 24h.>China wouldn't nuke Taiwan, you would, and the taiwanese know it.the US literally dug this hole for its self, over the past 2 decades of ludicrous behavior in SEA>>488429867>Have you tried paying more? Or God forbid, training employees?America has no educational pipeline for the chip fab industryfull stopthe endthats one of the MAIN problems herestanding up said educational-pipelines are a billion-dollar decade long process that neither US education institutes or publicly traded corporations appear to have interest in>>488429929>We made you. And now we’ll end youcant even open up the suez canal from goat fuckers, and you think youre going to "end China"/k/ike posters off their board should be beaten within an inch of their life
>>488430128asians are genetically different. they are made to work that way. dont judge. white people can make up for it with creativity anyway.if white people couldn't compete, there would be literally no tech jobs anywhere in europe or the US. so white people are doing something right to get things done at a comparable level in less time.
>>488429664>if you don’t love jews >ur a commie!Fuck off jew
>>488421001Need National capitalism or what China does
>>488430282so it's the era of expensive as fuck shit now
>>488430241Because it couldn’t compete on the market against chink slave labor, you try to keep up tiny little dinosaur brain.
>>488430174>We already doso what's the problem? other people can just do the same too. no need for tariffs
>>488429960>If you don’t think he was heavily backed by the Taiwanese government then you are ignorant.He absolutely was.The Arizona plant got the same from the US gov and it's shite.
>>488430287They are literally the story of the slave confusing themselves for the master That is the story of China right now
>>488421053Similar situation here.
>>488430401it's funny that americans think they can make things cheaper when everything required to build them will cost more
>>488430344You lost the argument, you have no legitimate points, I will just insult you personally now.Seethe more chinky. Some American White guy is probably plowing your wife, sister, and mom as we exchange little insults.
>>488430391Yes but wages will make up for it The “prosperity” of the post war period was very expensive relative to before but wages were also very high
>>488430397No, because they have been producing shit quality chips for 4 generations in a row with the 4 generations before that being only 10% better than the last in a market where 30-50% is expected. They lose on cost also but people would buy Intel if it was the fastest.
>>488430344Fuck off chink
>>488428451Skyworks, Global Foundries
>>488430567the wages were high because every other continent was destroyed by the wartariffs are just going to make everything more expensive and risky to manufacture
>>488430401>>488430553America still manufactures a ton You people are high
>>488430391When workers are paid more goods get more cheap in relation to salaries.
I bought TSMC stock 2 years ago. Best decision ever because now I don't have to work anymore.
>>488426415I was a process tech for 4 years in litho. You niggers train at all? I'm a bit rusty.
>>488430658No that wasn’t the case at all stop with your pop history Europe and Japan were back in full swing by 1950’
>>488430671if that was true everything would be manufactured in america because you could buy more of itsaying that things made in america are cheaper is just a lie
>>488430096sanctions do precisely jack shit except hurt whoever issued the sanctions>>488430150>Pretty easy to see a bunch of lazy, ass-backwards politicians who are decades out of date are the problem. How else do you think a country like the US gets into stupid shit like that?i dont disagree>>488430287>So the US holds all the cardswrong fucker^TSMC could ultimately call the US's bluff and simply open the doors and let Chang walk right inat that point the US could "attempt" to destroy TSMC but without hypersonic missiles lmfao, it basically has no hope of doing so before China intervened
>>488430241>Intel siliconm80, have you been in a coma for 6 months?intel's top chips have been assploding after 6 months because some nigger couldn't be bothered his arse getting the HVAC fixed in a critical part of the production line.Shit's fucked, yo, just like at Boeing.
Kek this is a total wumao thread. They aren't even TRYING to keep Americans.>hire Americans>speak only Chinese and give them Chinese documentation>THEY ARE LAZY! THEY ARE STUPID!"A related practice was acknowledged in the Q3 2023 US HR quarterly all-hands meeting by Jen Kung, head of compensation, who casually commented on the use of 'Chenglish' when Asians wanted to limit information being shared with non-Asians and/or to try to confuse them," the complaint claims.Plaintiff stories in the lawsuit describe multiple instances of such, with training documentation only provided in Chinese to American employees who only speak English, insults and comments about Americans being lazy and bad employees, and retaliation for complaints about poor treatment.
>>488427262>t.Mexico of Slavland
>>488430595Probably because low quality is the only market they can compete in due to cost. This is all automated anon, literally any nation could do it if they have the money to build a facility, even Nigeria could produce chips if they really wanted to and had the money.But Nigeria doesn’t want to (corruption) and is too broke.
>>488420235I want to live in a world where the US government is willing to outright confiscate this shit.Asian company in the USA starts fucking around? That factory is now US Government property and is now for sale. Call Elon or something.
>>488430761because china being a manufacturing power wasn't a thing yet
>>488430768They did that so asset owners could make slightly higher returns but the workers got fucked They placated the population with cheap electronics as their quality of life declined That’s the entire cause of the right wing backlash in America and Europe is that process. Some people made money most people got fucked
>>488430560>>488430604say-nothing /k/ike posters reduced to saying>"implessive">"youre brown"everysingletime>>488430666>America still manufactures a ton>You people are highyah, heres the breakdown
>>488430771TSMC would end up rubble and the CEO would end up in a CIA torture dungeon, so no.You already admitted this yourself.
>>488420235lolmutts are too fucking retarded and on drugs to work at a chip plant. they probably think they will be packaging Doritos or something.
>>488430877you forget the part where the people who make money are the ones who build the factoriesless money = less attractive to invest
>>488427142Try analog semiconductors in Texas. Pays better in Richardson
>>488420235Nah, let those hard working slant eyes do their thing. The lazy whiny faggots can fuck off
>>488420235Sounds like an ordinary Wednesday in post-Mike's Husband's America.
>>488430907>/k/ikeThis is all he has
>>488430771Get out of my country chink >>488430865Americans made Chinese manufacturing, its our companies using our money and our oil and our shipping and our expertise and their cheap labor Same as we are doing to your country right now to replace the chinks, congrats you are our new slaves Mexibro
>>488420754It hardly needs any workers with degrees. Even running the lithography equipment is not an overly complicated thing. Running a 6-axis CNC machine is more difficult and few of those types are even certified much less holders of any kind of diploma. And generally the design of the semiconductor is not done in-house. You forget that we aren’t only discussing cutting-edge nanometer scale designs here - most of the ICs that are needed are much larger and easier to produce.
>>488430801That sounds retarded and made up. Why even go through the process of hiring white or English only speakers and waste time and money doing that? Just reject them in the application portal and hire the Asians you want only? Time and money are God to those people why waste both on that process?
>>488430907Bye chink
Look I do not mind the Chinese, in spite of their obnoxious arrogance. I am afraid though. Things are looking grim. I do not want a war with Asia. I do not like how our elites have handled things one bit. Sadly we all are going to pay for their hubris.
>>488420235This place is a shithole. I used to live in Tucson and they aggressively tried recruiting me in school. Its just Foxconn with more steps and in the desert. Its in the fucking name, "Taiwan"
>>488431033seems like america can only survive on the slave labor of other people
>>488420235>now suddenly they want diversity, equality, and inclusionno, conservatives aren't stupid enough to call it that. We simply want to rule because this is our country and we are the majority, therefore we will no longer tolerate open racism and discrimination against hateful outsiders that come into our country to take advantage of us. Those aren't your fucking lefty buzzwords.
>>488430797The retarded nigger I'm arguing with think Intel doing contract manufacturing for American companies is letting China win. Also in one of my replies I mentioned quality, I'm being critical of Intel being shit at the moment, but it is the closest to leading edge manufacturer the US has currently.>>488430842See the Irishmans point on them causing a massive recall due to not changing a filter. They have been fucking up on multiple levels for years, it isn't just price.
>>488431070Chinks cornered insane shit all the time like foreign infringe but Chinese courts rubberstamp. A company in China called like DMW or TMW coppied BMW cars exactly and the Chinese don’t care lmao It’s based in a way but bad to do business with, the Chinese are also famous for refusing to use foreign translators I saw it myself in China where their English translations were nonsense
>>488430924if TSMC ends up destroyd the US will forever forfeit any and all hopes at any sort of continued techological hegemony in the futureits basically the MAD model, but for chips>>488430990all your dumb bitch posts are>"youre a Chink!"not a fucking post from you has had any relevance to anything in this thread other than faggot 'implessive' wailing
>>488427008Wrong retard. Training intelligent people t keep sit running is fine but design and process engineering take some actual knowledge. Environmental is even more annoying.The biggest issue is shipping in specific lithography resist coating. Sme are extremely volatile or corrosive. For the Apple chipset and CuSn packaging the resist was only .adding Malaysia bcaue the environmental regulations are non existent. Even the Chinese wouldn't make it for the price we needed.
>>488431240Tsmc chips are designed by Americans Tsmc is only ever used because they do it cheap
>>488431070Except the lawsuit alleges they literally are.https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/13/tsmc_usa_putative_employee_lawsuit/>TL;DR the chinks never even tried, they just wanted government gibs to hire more chinks and are making up shit while sabotaging American effortsFirst, the company allegedly prefers to hire East Asians, Taiwanese, and Chinese nationals, even going as far as supplying US-based HR teams with resumes of preferred Taiwanese/Chinese candidates who already have permission to work in the US."The US HR team then simply hires these Taiwanese/Chinese candidates without question, even if no open roles have been posted in the US," the complaint alleges. Job postings reportedly often list Mandarin/Chinese as a preferred qualification despite TSMC officially conducting business in English and not requiring additional language skills.
>>488431033>>488431086people like you are a disease that need eradication
>>488429001No it's just catering to browns. Hence why education is so shit. In America you can do almost 2 years of college in High school but in early development critical thought is stymied due to subhuman mestizo/niggers
>>488430666then why do people think tariffs are needed>>488430553kek
>>488431307>Tsmc chips are designed by Americans Tsmc is only ever used because they do it cheapthe foundry/fabrication equipment there is bespoke, one of a kind cannot be 'moved' from its location TSMC isnt the leading chip-foundry because its "cheap" you ignorant fucker
>>488420235I hope Xi sinks Taiwan.
>>488426988Yeah I live here in North Alabama and worked in these companies people don't realize that Aerospace Engineering is Alabama's biggest industry. Alabama is one of the few states that still produces stuff along with a bunch of other Southern states. Meanwhile coastie fags hype up fucking social media companies and insurance companies and act like they are doing real work.
>>488429599>it's not current year anymoreLol. Nature laughs at you
>>488426695>>488426878why are only polish flags showing up itt to shit on my country with lies?
I give the entirety of human civilization 5 years before it starts collapsing exponentially.
>>488431122That’s how empires work bruv
>>488424401America doesn't know how to produce electronics though and seeing as you're about 60% mutts you never willAssembly line at best, America is China about 60 years ago
>>488431429Top protect domestic industry from being undercut just like your country does faggot >>488431433>it’s bespoke Okay then build bespoke machinery in America fucker There is a huge misconception that people think that TSMC is some magical chip maker. TSMC has the most cost effective manufacturing model They do not design chips they just make them better and cheaper than the competition Chinks trying to convince westerners that they have some oriental magic to make the chips is just pure show
>>488429545what we're doing right now, centralizing production of EVERY thing and relying on differences in economic buying power to even make cheaply made low-quality disposable products available in vastly more quantities than are necessary is totally unsustainable.if trump does his tarriff thing, general products are gonna get more expensive in the coming years-- the silver lining is that if we then REINDUSTRIALIZE, americans by and large are also going to have a lot more money. Expect things like the cost of labor to get comparably lower versus the materials.the only people who know what's going on and are in favor of the current system are the oligarchs and corporate leaders who are the only ones who benefit-- and even then it's just an illusionary benefit of BIGGER NUMBER MORE MONEY. like none of this money they obessively accumulate could be meaningful to them. they're fucking crackheads.
I like how Mutts allmost want to call the Taiwanese slave laborers,but they have juuuust enough brain activity to refrain from doing that.Instead they go into some mental gymnastics about fairness and muh rights and muh jobs.
>>488431765Says a man in a dying country lmao
>>488431765TSMC (among other industries) is a perfect example of the retardation "the end of history" caused in the western gestaltthe US literally believed it had solved history, and that the world order where the US policed infantile 3rd world equivalents with aircraft-carrier diplomacy would last for 1000 years and nothing would ever change and nothing would ever upset the balanceinstead, 2 decades later, the west is in near complete collapse from globalization and offshoring of its strategic industries
>>488431891we have more industry than we did 50 years ago, it's also 13% of the world's overall manufacturing, 2nd only to china (31%)this idea we aren't a producer is just something retards repeat, they heard it so they repeat it but they never stop to think about it
>>488431640If you had factories that can rival tmsc, this thread wouldn't be a thing in first place.
>TSMC about to sued to oblivion because dumfuck americans are too fucking stupid and arrogant to try and understand what they're asking forhilarious, maybe i'll screencap this thread later and post it on ptt.cc
>>488420871Probably because they have nothing but retards to sift through here
>>488431883>Okay then build bespoke machinery in America fuckerYOU FUCKING CANT DO THAT IT DOESNT FUCKING WORK THAT WAYand thats precisely what this foundry in AZ was supposed to beTSMC is literally the ONLY company with the lithography equipment it hasthere are no othersTSMC is by all purposes, essentially magic
>>488431912All you America doubters have no idea what’s coming lmao You are so used to America being lazy and letting you all run amok. You won’t be laughing soon
>>488431765lol tribal seething, crab bucket mentality, didn't all of your industries emigrate just as fast as ours the instant all that sweet sweet chinese slave labor became available?
>>488427679>be me>be retard >pay off my student debt while in collegeDamn I didn't know I was getting rid of my only marketable skill (having debt)
>>488432132> YOU FUCKING CANT DO THATWhy not? America builds tons of unique advanced machinery
>>488432164>You are so used to America being lazy and letting you all run amok. You won’t be laughing soonIt's because you're so goddamn fat and retarded, and a bit of a joke in general.
>>488431440I actually hope for this too.People who think the Chinese mainland and an island full of Chinese people are somehow enemies are complete retards.Taiwan would be better off under Chinese rule at this point. The only thing the US ever got was cheaper computer chips we could arguably make ourselves, and as a bonus if we made shit here we wouldn't have to worry about our "ally" selling old equipment and schematics to their "enemy."Taiwan has also been subject to WOKE garbage just like the West. There's just as many braindead liberals who think NATO is a good thing over there as there are here.Speaking of NATO, Ukraine is a part of Russia and the Biden cartel can fuck themselves.
>>488420235>Asian supremasistBased
>>488420235>What is going on at TSMC?Retarded american employees can't perform tasks properly. The Taiwanese managers probably cannot speak english very well either. So they probably talk in Taiwanese a lot in front of Americans while they beret them for their retardedness.
>>488430658Tariffs will create a vacuum. The existing industry leaders can fill it by moving here or get shut out by competition. That's all there is to it. They won't just ignore the biggest market and the billions size hole in their bank account
>>488431891>expect things like the cost of labor to get comparably lower versus the materials.this will literally never, ever happen"the cost of labor" is literally ALL of it in the USthe high-pay US workers demand ends up accounting for the entire ecnomic pie of whatever is being surveyed, compared to the same industry 'offshored', thats just reality>>488431998the US is a 'producer' just not a producer of the chips that are strategically vital to remaining the global technology leaderhow are you struggling so hard with this conceptjust because you make SOME chips, does NOT mean you make the ones that keep you in the seat of global hegemon
>>488420235Your Fabs will be our Fabs soon.
>hire bug company from an IQ shredder to make you a big boy in manufacturing again>no these are "good" bugs they don't hate huwhites like the rest of themlollmaoimagine dying for access to a bunch of chinks that will roll on you the minute xi makes the call
>>488432132Ok bro I'm still not investing in chip manufacturers right now.
>>488420235>Asians are racist against non-asiansMore news at 11
>>488425572How?
>>488420235Deport who ever posted that
>>488420235It wasn’t white people they were being racist against.
>>488420871Kek look at all the chink shill responses to this post
>>488432353>The existing industry leaders can fill itWhat happens if they don't?What if there is a global conspiracy to turn your shithole that can't afford equipment, that goes bankrupt easily, and becomes auctioned off for cheap?
>>488432255>America builds tons of unique advanced machinerynothing even remotely NEAR as advanced as what TSMC has, which is in turn supplied by like literally one dutch and one German company for the entire worldlithography equipment is so wildly complex and advanced there are basically none in the world with any strategic value except for TSMC>>488432353the US has no fucking mechanism to bully anything around like that anymoresanctiooooooooooons dont fucking work, and there are massive huge states like China who could help any company skirt any sanction to any degreehow have you fucking retards not accepted that yetSANCTIONSDONTWORKthe end.period
>>488431997Offshoring will be remembered by historians as chinas "burn the boats" moment.
>>488420871>They want the freebie tax rebates and free land and government billions to build their facility, and then they want to hire nothing but foreign workers.They want what everyone else gets which is completely fair.
>>488432255He's a seething chink obviously, they don't know engineering they only know IP theft and espionage. Theres no one else to steal from for it so it cannot be made again.This is why whites are the only people who have walked on another celestial body
>>488420235Nigger
>>488427338If Peter Navarro gets in then White House this dog isn’t going to hunt anymore. A lot of parasitic rich people are going to learn what it’s like to take a haircut.Then come the sweeping investigations identified by AI looking at public data.
>>488432402>Your Fabs will be our Fabs soon.no they wontthe AZ fab basically precludes that reality from ever happening>>488432353>The existing industry leaders can fill it by moving here or get shut out by competitionthey cant and wont, and if they could they already would haveit turns out chip lithography equipment is basically 'magic' and cant be just 'built, easy!'its a $trillion dollar effort that takes decades to put together
>>488432623Yes we do, just not for chips yet but we will There’s whole teams of whites and American Asians working undercut you right now and we’ll win like we always do
>>488432043there are only two countries in the world who can make the most advanced chips. not even the ISRAELIS can right now. and poland... well do you really think it can into chip fab?it's not because of some magic of their work ethic that they got this far-- it's because they backed the right horses in research, made the bet that building big ass fabs was gonna pay off, and nobody else did.
>>488432783faggot retard, if any of the US chip fabs could have stood up a foundry like TSMC they would have, despite the costyet they havent...why?why hasnt the US simply just buiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilt the lithography machines?Chink-bugz did it right?so why cant or WONT the US do it?
>>488432045To understand the other perspective, these Magatards have been looking forward to this factory since July 2021.It was supposed to be a re-moralising moment and make them regain their american exceptionalism.It wasn't supposed to meltdown into this disaster.LEL
>>488433081This chink is literally incapable of understanding how Americans think. Yes they will be ours and we will figure it out or we’ll build it new fagot wreked
>>488426415>>488427142I, too work at the plant. The place is crawling with roaches and there's a perennial smell of grilled dog wafting through the hallways.
>>488433204Its literally only a cost play you are absolutely delusional
>>488433204Because its cheaper to have idiot bugmen like you build it? You're gonna get deported btw kek
>>488433097>Yes we do, just not for chips yet but we willlmfao more faggot /k/ike>planned>expected>in development>coming 2030+you absolute dog fucking retardWHEN?when will we have it and start 'owning the Chink bugs'?when?
>>488433231>we..we...we will discover the Chink bug magic, o...or... or we'll just make our own!SO FUCKING DO IT CLOWNwhy even bother with trying to steal TSMC's ip (like Chink bugs ironically)??why not just 'make your own' and be done with the whole fucking charade?why?WHY?WHY?explain to me faggot cum snorter
>>488433521>>488433371Unironically yes because it’s not even bug magic it’s just cheap labor your delusional fag
>>488433204>if any of the US chip fabs could have stood up a foundry like TSMC they would haveone that's a single industry state subsidised slave labor trucked in from brown degree mills setup?
>>488433231>and we will figure it out or we’ll build it newWhat if you can't, do you have a backup plan besides working at Walmart?
>>488432132>TSMC is literally the ONLY company with the lithography equipment it has>there are no othersthe machines are literally designed and made in the Netherlands and shipped to Taiwan, you moron! look up ASML
>>488433122>and poland... well do you really think it can into chip fab?No, lmao. That's why I don't care if fabs are in taiwan, usa or dark side of the moon, its just one foreign country vs other foreign country to me. I just find it amusing that some people think they can just snap their fingers and get top tier electronic factories with no effort, no money spent and in zero time.
>>488433294>>488433356chip production is a critical strategic asset, and somehow how >"we want to pay slaves to do it, thats why!" or some jewish economic pilpul like that is now the reason why the US has a gaping hole in its strategic disposition, lacking the ability to produce cutting edge chips?i dont understand..so youre telling me the only reason we dont have our own state of the art fabs is that we want to pay the employees shit-tier money?I truly dont understand your common-core logic here
>>488433775We can lmao we are America you loser
>>488432394>the high-pay US workers demandthe 'reality' is that this situation is unsustainable. the cost of living in the us is so high-- a lot of that is because white people have to pay extra to live far enough away from section 8 that they don't end up getting shot. And if anywhere wants to stay safe, it has to be prohibitively expensive to keep undesirables out. and we can't form communities to look out for each other, not only because that would be "racist" but because we have our culture doesn't emphasize any kind of collective living arrangement-- parents throw their kids out as soon as they hit 18 so they can tool around the southwestern states in an suv living their retarded 'dream'. we're very atomized and "independent," but mostly childish.there are so many things about american life that just can't keep working forever
>>488433653>it’s just cheap laborThat's not it, your monkey brain wanted to write "slave labour"You're refraining yourself from insulting the island chink.Just do it, call him a slave worker like you really want to do.
>>488433826the only reason all of our countries raped their own industries is the talmudic myth of competitive advantage.
>>488433949Its literally just slave labor that’s the entire Chinese manufacturing system
>>488433653>the only thing preventing the US from standing up its chip fabs is an unwavering desire to pay slave wages to the employees, so much so, it would rather simply have no foundries at all, were it not able to pay slaves to work it"what the absolute fuck is this logic?>>488433665if the US hopes to remain the technological leader in advanced chip production, the US will have to engage certain realities about the education pipelines, employee pools and work conditions required to keep said positionat the present, the US would rather offshore it, than do any of the above, as evidence to what happened with the AZ fab
>>488433949I already have btw read the thread fag
>>488433958>mythCan't call it a myth if it worked and drove the competition off to bankruptcy.
>>488434057Not anymore
>>488433207It's kinda funny, this could be looked back on as a pivotal moment that made Amerilards realize how cooked they are. Even when the government actually does something to try and improve the country it falls flat on its face because this country is full of insane retards.
>>488434014>Its literally just slave laborGood. This is how you ought to talk to all of the Taiwanese, insult them as much as possible for best results.
>>488433826I'm with you most of the way, but in what way is <10nm lithography a strategic technology?Not that the inability of the US to engage in productive economic activity isn't a huge problem. We couldn't spin up even a single artillery shell factory in 3 years and that's 200 year old technology. It's very, very obvious that there are huge barriers to home-grown industry now and the american exceptionalism fools are burying us in their retardation.
>>488431883But wouldn't the industry still be protected if everyone who cares about this just buys american instead? Trump made tariffs one of his main points. Lots of people care. Why not just protect it by buying from them? There should be a social media campaign for everyone who voted for Trump and cares about the country, or lives in a city that benefits from manufacturing, or has family or friends who work in that field, to buy american.That would have a double benefit because it would protect the industry and also, if only some stuff is outsourced to china, that can both protect american industry and promote exports since they will have more US dollars to buy from america.
>>488433845>We can lmao we are America you loserSO WHY HAVENT YOU?>>488433788no shit fucker, and they only supply TSMC and only those two suppliers are responsible for the most advanced chip production capacity>>488433794>I just find it amusing that some people think they can just snap their fingers and get top tier electronic factories with no effort, no money spent and in zero time.half this thread is /k/ike retardation just like that1:1 the same issue as the shell production catastrophe the west is going through thanks to their insane war against Russiait turns out you cant just 'snap your fingers' and make industrial production sprout out of the ground>>488433958>the only reason all of our countries raped their own industries is the talmudI wholly 100% agree with this statement here^
>>488434351>10nm lithography a strategic technology?being the producer of the most advanced technology manifests as having (usually) the worlds most advanced economyhaving an economy driven by being a producer of high-end technology is strategically and economically valuable>>488434399>Why not just protect it by buying from them?TSMC is literally a trillion dollar business worth as much as the entire nation of taiwanwhy would it "sell" that away to Americans for pennies on the dollar?its literally selling taiwan it self at this pointits fucking insane TSMC has been driven as far as it has by the US at this point alonethere is zero incentive for TSMC to do this
>>488434351don't be so hard on them... "a 'why' can overcome any 'how'".
>>488433207>meltdown into this disaster.oh wow, a 40 billion 2 factory state of the art project is late a few months ... obviously never happens anywhere else in the world. what a moron you are.Oct 25, 2024"TSMC has achieved early production yields at its first plant in Arizona that surpass similar factories back home, a significant breakthrough for a US expansion project initially dogged by delays and worker strife."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2N5zsePrMY
>>488434449>1:1 the same issue as the shell production catastrophe the west is going through thanks to their insane war against RussiaI disagree with it being insane if only because it forced politicians to (slowly) start abandoning retarded ideas like ending draft and start rebuilding atrophied military industries.
>>488434399>There should be a social media campaign for everyone who voted for Trump and cares about the country, or lives in a city that benefits from manufacturing, or has family or friends who work in that field, to buy american.It doesn't work in in real life.What happens is these nerds hit up proces on Newegg and compare GPU specs and put the cheapest GPU into the basked, because they are all way overpriced.That idea that you can somehow overprice a GPU even further and get away with it, is hilarious clown moment.
>>488434842>2 factory state of the art project is late a few monthsLOL>that surpass similar factories back home>Produce nothing>Somehow surpassMagatards get dumber and dumber every day.
>>488434842its not just "late" there are massive problems behind the scenes politically and economically Taiwan has zero incentive to 'make this work' and every incentive to torpedo it forever, which they likely will and the US can do nothing about it, because they have no clue how to operate the machinery or process themself (and if they did, they would simply just 'make their own factories, which, they cant)>>488434909>retarded ideas like ending draft and start rebuilding atrophied military industries.i hope you get blasted to pieces by an FPV drone you warmongering fucker
>>488435141>TSMC delayed to 2027 or 2028its *never* and the media is simply to jewish to tell the truth, as usual
