>It is now more than 60 years old. But around 70% of large corporations still rely on the programming language COBOL for much of their mission critical work. And this includes those in the government, banking, finance, insurance, and automotive industries.>COBOL: a relic of the 1960s>“However, very little has been done to improve the backend payment processing. This has been running on technology that is older than most millennials. The global financial system hums on an unlikely engine: COBOL, a programming language that is a relic of the 1960s. It powers everything from ATM transactions to stock trades. It has served us well over the years, handling trillions of dollars in transactions without major system failures. But its ongoing prevalence has begun to pose a serious threat to our financial future.”>Skills shortage – a dwindling pool of programmers>“Compounding these issues, there is a dwindling pool of programmers able to maintain these aging systems. Universities rarely teach COBOL anymore, and younger generations understandably tend to gravitate towards more in-demand and modern languages. This growing skills shortage is a significant risk to the stability and security of financial systems.>“The COBOL crutch we lean on is starting to wobble, and ignoring the issue won’t make it disappear. While there have been calls for an upskilling drive, this is not a sustainable, long-term solution. We need a coordinated, industry-wide effort to migrate critical financial systems away from outdated technologies. As technology providers, we have a duty to show people that there is no need to rely on legacy systems anymore by creating accessible, functional alternatives that are genuinely fit for the future.Why are we still using COBOL if it risks blowing up the entire financial system? Can’t AI just rewrite this infrastructure into python or some other top tier language?
remember when Y2K caused the collapse of civilization? Too bad 4chan wasn't around then or we could have had all sorts of doomer threads
>>488817647>how can we hire more browns to make security holes that we can profit from?>these old white guys had this solved problem solved decades ago and that's bad!kys
>>488817647>python... top tier lmfaoall government, bank, and credit card mainframes are IBM and COBOL driven, get used to it, kiddo
>>488817647It took 50 years, but FORTRAN will finally have its revenge
>>488818238I worked IT before/during Y2K. The only reason it looked like a "nothing burger" to the public was because of the millions of overtime hours spent by most businesses
>>488818416It’s obviously a big fucking problem given no one can maintain it
>>488818545so what you're saying is that problems would be bad if people didn't fix them?
>>488818588you're a retarded poo, go backt. COBOL dev
The systems are obviously pretty damn reliable.Which is more than you can say for much of the black box gloop today's development cycle and tools produce. Nobody fully understands the black box shit they ware working with these days. Deep bugs lurk everywhere. in open source libraries, in complex and hurriedly assembled apis. in junk software toolsets. Sometimes basic, simple and not following stupid ephemeral fads and trends wins the day when you just need shit to work.
>>488818869How old are you? 70? That’s the average age of a cobol programmer
>>488818890Just task AI to rewrite the code into another language. It shouldn’t be the difficult.
>>488818929I'm also a COBOL dev and I earn 300k$ a year (paying 0 taxes)
>>488818929People on my team range from 20-60. The old guys don't mind helping the younger devs. It's great money and way more stable than working in gaming.>>488818996They're trying already but AI is too retarded
>>488818545That's actually bullshit.There would have been a lot of delays and inconveniences without the tweaks, but no end of the world scenario.The tech spending that went into Y2K hysteria is how we got the tech bubble that nearly destroyed the economy when it burst until the Fed stepped in and real estate became the bubble. And now tech again because of AI bullshit.>>488817647almost as if the solution is to teach young people cobol?Nah, that gets in the way of the planned obsolescence that is the lifeblood of the entire tech industry.
>>488817647LOL never in a thousand years would i have guessed to see a thread about cobol on 4chan. just outsource to the phillipines, they still teach mainframe in school there
>>488819329Why would anyone want to learn an antiquated language when there are so many better options out there - Python, Rust, etc
>>488819415It’s going to cause a global shitstorm in the world’s entire financial system but no one talks about it.
>>488817647Top tier language is hex. Python is babys first language. Get good.
my cousin worked for a credit card company in the late 90's and I want to say they trained him on what he needed to know he would say he was using binary language but I don't know I don't really understand all that stuff
>>488819444Because computers speak binary, why can't i just learn that?
>>488819444COBOL is the language of money, fuck your faggoty kiddiescripts
>>488819444Because it’s obviously not antiquated if it has multiple important and well-compensated uses
>>488817647>this is not a sustainable, long-term solution. We need a coordinated, industry-wide effort to migrate critical financial systems away from outdated technologies.TranslationPeople who maintain the codebase are retiring. Instead of in house training and higher wages we've decided to replace it with a back doored modern langaugeor ones with loads of vulnerabilities we've not disclosed. It doesn't even let us execute Kabbalistic compiler magic.
>>488817647>NOOOOO you can’t use the same thing that has worked without issue for 6 decades you need to use the latest amalgamation of web frameworks and three -tier architecture with a HECKIN wiki and completely made by troons and it even has a cute lil pupper mascot!!!People cry and shid and piss out articles like this every single year since 1985. COBOL isn’t going anywhere.
>>488819444COBOL requires independent thinking and problem solving ability. Python is just using code other people have written (with all the built in vulnerabilities). Kid of like "There is no cloud, just other people's computers". There is no Python, just other people's code. A language for diversity programmers.
COBOL is pretty damn reliable. They're just buttmad that they can't pay peanuts for systems developers if all of their legacy systems are written in COBOL. They'd rather migrate all of their OPS to c# and outsource development to india like all development is being done.
>>488819657Name on CS program or bootcamp that teaches COBOL. If it was that great or important to the entire financial system and salaries were as high as the larpers say, why isn’t everyone learning cobol?
>>488818238>remember when Y2K caused the collapse of civilization?Everything gets overblown in the media. Y2K did cause some headaches though.
>>488817647Hey let's make a public article about it that is of middling interest to the layman but points out the huge risk to any hacker or bad actor not already paying attention. Great idea for a few clicks!
>>488819797Mainframe style jobs aren't actually that common?A family friend retired recently he used to work exclusively with RPG, that's what he said to me anyway.
>>488818996You know, I wonder if that's the sort of person who makes a thread like this.It's probably really easy to train a language model on python, because every civ 4 modder, college student and grandmother has written mountains of python code. But I bet it's genuinely impossible to get good COBOL training data since banks and governments use it. Naturally the language model people would prefer if big systems used python, because their system is built for python basically. All that said, these goonies are barking up the wrong tree. You may as well get a language model to just crack open and replicate machine code since you want the human out of the loop. But the brainlets want to replace themselves long before they understand why they even bothered to learn a language in the first place.
>>488819742The whole reason COBOL has survived is because it is used for money flow. People want their money protected (want to write their own secure code for their money moving system), diversity doesn't give a fuck about their money, fake and gay is way more important to them. they want you to use pajeets off of Fiver to replace YT and billions of losses for you is acceptable collateral damage to advance their agenda.
>>488819797Because no one talks about it much. It's not exciting or glamorous, but it pays well. If I knew COBOL existed in my teens, I would have gotten into it then, but not one teacher or professor ever mentioned it. I assumed everything was in assembly or C before I knew
translation>we want hire cheap pajeets to make shit code instead of white men who make good code.
Yes you should totally hire a bunch of rapejeet to recode everything in Java.
>>488817647cobol is probably simple i bet ai could master it easily. this is not as dire as they think.
>>488818365I have never looked at COBOL but I think you are right. These Old White Guys could program. If it works, leave it alone. The only issue may be machine architecture, and even there, I would suspect that compilers have been continually updated since the 1960s.Sounds like sensationalistic bull shit.Any excuse to give Jagmeet Software LLC a reason to "upgrade' and "improve" a perfectly fine system.
>>488817647COBOL isn't hard.It's just a pain in the ass to use.They'll simply have to pay more to those who will have to maintain/translate it to other more mainstream language.
>>488819770Do you think the computer knows COBOL is old ? It all get compiled into machine code instruction set operations. that's one of the neat things about computers, if it worked without problems 50 years ago it will work the same way until the heat death of the universe.Its not the language, its the fake and gay people calling themselves "programmers" that are the weak links. You give me the basic syntax and rules and I can program in any language in 5 minutes because I can write working algorithms that require the problem solving ability. After that its just a matter of putting it in whatever language you want.
>>488819050Doubt it
>>488820525>this is not as dire as they think>just let ai fix ityou’re the dire situation.
tfw the only Cobol admins I know of are all trannies
>>488820556With newer faster processors you could get better more efficient performance, but that is negated by giant blocks of fat inefficient subroutines written by someone else for something else cobbled together that is the foundation of object oriented programming. The machines are better, the humans are worse.
>>488820525It's not just COBOL. It's other tools like Platinum, Endevor, JMR/SMR, IOF, Control-M, CICS, CCM, SDSF, MQS, SPUFI, FILE-AID, ABEND-AID, etc...Do you really think mainframers only code COBOL?
>>488817647Jeets can't copy and paste COBOL from stack overflow.
>>488817647>trillions of dollars in transactionsAnd financial institutions can't use a few millions to fund a COBOL university.Bankers truly are parasites on an unfathomable scale.
>>488817647They will replace COBOL with shitty Pajeet written C# and NodeJS and nothing will ever work again
>>488818238 My grandma died when an embedded chip in her artificial heart reset and turned off, you cocksucker. Governments spent billions to make sure that the power didn't go down but fucked my Nan right in the ass. That is how I became an extremist, found Kek and why I am on this board today. Never forget the millions of dead from the millennium bug. Never again.
Gibs me money and train me to use it and I'll do it.
>>488817647>Universities rarely teach COBOL anymoreJust go on the internet and type 'cobol tutorial' in to any search engine.
>>488817647Chainlink solves thisFirst trump, then ElonJust watch
>>488820968kek
>>488820784That's the opposite of why OOP exists.OOP exists because you faggots cannot for the life of you render anything in a format that isn't named "cat" or "sorting function" or some other bullshit. You nigglings cannot into abstract thought, so language will never matter.
>>488821019go teach yourself for freehttps://www.ibmmainframer.com/
>>488820916they train the people in house at least that is how they used to do it, as long as you have the aptitude for it
>>488818238The situation is obviously entirely different you retard. Cobol is not a bug, it won't implode one day. The problem is, that young devs don't care about that language and cannot maintain and extend the financial systems.
>>488820844ai will take care of it.I bet ai could transfer all the code to a new programming language as well.
>>488821106Do the needful and transfer those to India. Saars we know python it'll work better.
>>488817647>Can’t AI just rewrite this infrastructure into pythonOh no no ahahahahaha
>>488817647>Can’t AI just rewrite this infrastructure into python or some other top tier language?Python sucks for that task.And no, AI cannot migrate huge software systems. Maybe one day, but we are far away from such AI capabilities.
>>488817647Imagine thinking that we aren't already rolling out genai code conversion as a 90% solution. Also any actual professional dev can pick up COBOL. Not that hard and pretty damn elegant once you get used to the formatting.They just don't want to pay people what they are worth for working on a system that handles -trillions- in transactions, so it's now a "crisis."
>>488821270>young devs don't care about that language and cannot maintain and extend the financial systemsSounds like a great opportunity for young devs to make lots of money by learning COBOL then...and that is how the problem will fix itself.
>>488817647>COBOL is ticking time bomb in the economythis a redflag, they soon are going to crash the financial system to implement crypto or any shit.if they will crash with war or with the bug of the milenia is the question.
>>488817647correction, people who only know COBOL are the ticking time bomb of the industryadapt or die
>>488821347Chainlink can use a network of different llms to parse and rewrite cobol data. They released this idea just weeks before Elon started posting about this, and they just partnered with trump on his defi product. The odds Elon doesn’t know about Chainlink are extremely low. Believe in something.
My uncle programs in Cobol. He is old and drinks quite a lot of alcohol
>>488817647>Why are we still using COBOL if it risks blowing up the entire financial system?So they have a scapegoat excuse to point at next time they blow up the ponzi scheme financial system?
>>488820556It is bullshit. Modern mainframes run at 5ghz and can still run cobol. Cobol is extremely verbose, it’s not incomprehensible jibber jabber like brainfuck or perl.
>>488821617niggerfart
AI can already take Python code and convert it into C. Just do that on a block by block basis. It shouldn’t be that difficult. But no one is doing it and won’t do it until one day the markets stop trading.
>>488821539Loop unrolling is a very advanced technique. 10/10.
>>488821974Also a good investment
You're looking at this all wrong. If you read between the lines, what they're saying is if you learn COBOL, you have tremendous leverage to name your price to your employer. Why compete with thousands of H1B pajeets learning meme languages?
>>488819600You just stay away from binary, stay away from the single company in Taiwan that creates the physical hardware, stay away. Don't ever look too closely at exactly how the BIOS actually interfaces with physical real world objects.You can play on the machines, sandbox entire OS, create derivative 'programming languages', go wild with AI. You just keep looking up, don't you worry about the foundations you're standing on.Computers are open source technology, top to bottom, first invention to today. Take our word for it.
>>488821403COBOL actually implements all the best coding standards that makes for stable code>data and code kept in separate divisions>buffers set before execution preventing accidental or intentional overflows>self-documenting code even retarded managers can read and understandthis is literally why Pajeets hate it, it doesn't let them do bullshit like self-modifying code they can use to install malware behind their supervisors' back
>>488818238Oh believe me I was nervous in the service. I didn't wanna be in a world as depicted in the movie The Postman.
>>488818545The 2038 problem, however, is the real deal.
>>488822319Not a single FAANG is seeking cobol programmers. Unless you want to work in the basement of some globobank behind a green screen terminal from 1978, that will be the rest of your life. No exciting computing for you.Just have Claude or OpenAI do the conversion and call it a day.
>>488822345This is why it's good for basic stuff like financial shit. Heavy data stuff though—it's shit. Literally 1:1 in terms of lines of code per operation. Python is like 7 or something. COBOL is secure but extremely inefficient.
>>488817647Doesn't help that if you start coding COBOL you'll get stuck maintaining ancient shit for the rest of your career. Just switching languages in the industry can be a nightmare. I was stuck as a PHP developer even though I knew C# and Java pretty well. Only managed to land a C# job by knowing someone already. Recruiters and hiring managers only look at the most recent languages you used.
>>488819444> better languagesnames a language oriented toward noobs who know nothing and an unusable monster that wastes weeks of developer time on the simplest shityou will never be a woman
>>488821154Thanks, this looks like a good mainframe tutorial.
Eventually all the guys who know COBOL and can actually utilize it will be retired or dead. Then we become like the Adeptus Mechanicus.
>>488817647COBOL is actually very well suited for certain purposes in banking and finance. I wouldn't recommend replacing much of it.>>488818479FORTRAN is still used to write libraries for CAD, CAM, scientific and simulation software.>>488818929COBOL and FORTRAN and even Ada are superior in many ways to C#, Java. I know I have programmed in all of them. Python--which I'm no fan of--was specifically created to allow people to throw programs together while being no more than a programming midwit. Python is not popular because of being some amazing programming language its popular in the same way trikes and bikes with training wheels are popular with children.>>488819050>>488818869One of the reasons most younger people would have an issue with COBOL is because most of them don't know anything about actual business processes, accounting, financial management or any of those things but the people who wrote all that COBOL-ware did. Even back in the 90s most programmers knew how to program but they didn't know shit about business or what it actually mean to work in an office. There is something to be said for being a programmer and actually having expertise in a given domain.
>>488817647I don't get how a language can be obsolete. If it works, it works.
>>488818890As great as it is that the python-scape has so many interesting libraries the mystery wtf unaudited slop that might have to be downloaded to get any one program to run raises red flags. node.js has the same problem. Open source has been allowed to be sloppy for too long. Auditing and refining libraries would be easier of open source developers would actually be required to write functional design documents. If they really GAF about open source why wouldn't they make functional design documents the norm. b--bu--buut the code is documentation. bullshit.The good thing is that many libraries behind major python libraries are written in C or C++.
>>488817647i don't know anything about programming but if COBOL is so prevalent and integral to the financial system, why aren't people who know COBOL not offered better salaries to incentivize people to learn it, which would galvanize universities into offering courses on it? seems like an easy fix that just takes a bit of time and money.
>>488822969This looks awful. Imagine not using Atom or Sublime and having to stare at that all day
They rather let everything crumble than give a white man a job. COBOL is actually a language that you can't hire a pajeet for it.
>>488817647oh my god we have to move all our critical financial infrastructure to Ruby on Rails and Node.js immediately!!!
>>488817647Don't repair something that isn't broken. Changing things just for the sake of changing them is rarely a good solution.
>>488818416Everything is either rust or python in 2024, get used to it, boomer.
>>488823265>why aren't people who know COBOL not offered better salaries to incentivize people to learn it, which would galvanize universities into offering courses on it? seems like an easy fix that just takes a bit of time and money.A good COBOL programmer can command an incredible salary. The language isn't hip and cool so no millenials or zoomers will learn it, meaning most COBOL programmers are aged 50+
>>488823130>obsoletethey are saying "I dont understand it = obsolete".> If it works, it works.COBOL works. One reason they brought Python to the scene was to put a firewall between noob to midwit programmers and long standing production codebases and so they could have a gruop of coders they could pay less than say a typical java or COBOL
>>488823348>Everything is either rust or python in 2024Wrong.
>>488823348>Everything is either rust or python in 2024, get used to it, boomer.You dont get it. rust and python is are 'firewalling' languages for midwits. your narcissistic perspective has you believing those languages are superior yet you have zero experiential context. in reality those languages keep you 'way over there' to stop you from fucking up things that actually make real, tangible and important things happen every day. your boomer vs zoomer mindset is just stopping you from learning from someone older and more experienced than you who would likely help you if you weren't such a twat.
>>488821154no if they are so desperate for people they can train me and pay to me to learn
>>488821106So Elon is going to give unit 8200 the reigns is he? How very nice of him.
>>488817647>COBOL, a programming language that is a relic of the 1960s. It powers everything from ATM transactions to stock trades. It has served us well over the years, handling trillions of dollars in transactions without major system failures.Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
>>488817647Same headlines 1990's to early 2000's. Lets look at what happened back then with an example:>Allstate Insurance fired 95% of its state side maintenance staff incrementally and outsourced it all to Ireland in late 1990's.>local government wanted a fix for unemployment and offered sweetheart deals: constructing office buildings, leasing them to Allstate rent free, eventually giving Allstate the property, paid recruitment and training of non comp-sci graduates in COBOL, TELON, PL1, visual basic etc. thousands were put through a primitive 'COBOL bootcamp'>these 'trainees' were then employed by Allstate on local minimum wage and given responsibility for legacy support of critical Allstate systems. >around mid-late 2000's local government fucked these workers bargaining power to move up from min wage by importing Polacks and hiring them on same salary (so much for curing local unemployment)>when local government said, 'we need to talk about these subsidies', Allstate setup another subsidiary in India to outsource again, even more cheap, but it failed because jeets are even worse. local government then backdown.Better than US workers? the majority sat around doing nothing all day and were hired to meet an employment stat required by local government, those who could do the work had comp-sci degrees. But the joke was on these Irish and Polacks who fucked American workers because its a dead end, crabs in a bucket job, with a jeet always there to take it.tldr: There is only a shortage of CHEAP labor. Corporations seed these stories in the media to justify their plans to maximize profit. They want government (wherever it is) to supply cheap labor, and they want paid off from that government in neverending corporate welfare to setup and remain. If you fall for OP's meme you are a retard.
Didnt cobol get an update in like 2019? My uncle went to college to learn cobol, said it trash even back then.
>>488822596>Recruiters and hiring managers only look at the most recent languages you used.what planet do you live on? recruiters and hiring managers look for what their clients need. rare skillsets will stand out where there is a demand. what are you like 19?
>>488817647Chainlink fixes this.
KEEPTHEPAJEETSAWAYFROMTHEPAYMENTPROCESSINGCODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>488823992Absolutely based
>>488822492r is for data. python only serves to allow (jeets) to run c libraries without knowing any c>>488822483>exciting computing>>488823130remember pascal?
>>488821974Fartcoin has been pumping a lot
>>488823989I'm 37, what planet are you on? It doesn't matter what skillset you have, they want you to have recently used whatever they are hiring for.
IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. PROGRAM-ID. HelloWorld. ENVIRONMENT DIVISION. DATA DIVISION. PROCEDURE DIVISION. DISPLAY 'Hire me niggers!'. STOP RUN.
>>488823853It's still being updated. It's not going anywhere
>>488823853>My uncle went to college to learn cobol, said it trash even back then.COBOL really needs to be taught in context. Many universities were bad about not teaching the context but it was probably intentional for gatekeeping purposes. If you were studying CS to become a desktop developer COBOL would prob seem like trash 'why are they teaching this!?!?'But if you were studying business or business information systems, IT or accounting then COBOL would make more sense in context.
>>488817647My company migrated from COBOL to C 30 years ago. Good money in it but definitely archaic.
>>488823836WrathOfGnon on Twitter summarizes this the best:>Privatize the profits>Publicize the cost to societyI think about this now how Microsoft gets essentially free nuclear energy from Three Mile Island while the rest of society gets shitty, unreliable solar panels (which are toxic and require disposal every 20 years)
>>488817647>>488818238>remember when Y2K caused the collapse of civilization? Too bad 4chan wasn't around then or we could have had all sorts of doomer threadsDon't worry bro, we still have 2036 to look forward to and then 2038 before the unix date rolls over and surely everything will collapse.
>>488824150>python only serves to allow (jeets) to run c libraries without knowing any cSee >>488823393
>>488817647It's a fairly simple programing language, if there is demand for it new people will learn it. Right now new jobs that require COBOL are few but if the boomers retire there will be others to take their place.
>>488823272> t. peasant who doesn't work in a terminal
>>488823836>There is only a shortage of CHEAP labor.Thats why python even exists. its a language they could have noobs develop in while protecting the functional mother lode codebases. The major players in software and IT have been undermining developers for decades. I saw it coming back in the 90s. When the OS company also makes the development tools and major software they have an incentive to stop competition by addling the toolsets.
>>488817647What's wages like for COBOL?Yeah, exactly!
>>488824437yeah that's it basically
>>488823836>There is only a shortage of CHEAP labor.Also communist-capitalists hate it when people aren't dirt poor.
>Someday ImageMagick will finally break for good and we'll have a long period of scrambling as we try to reassemble civilization from the rubble.
>>488817647why not learn to COBOL then?
>>488822319>you have tremendous leverage to name your price to your employerthis isn't true though. COBOL isn't increasing in adoption, it's decreasing. Because of that it's a dead-end career path and no one goes into it, so these companies have to pay high salaries to the remaining COBOL programmers. They just want to flood it with cheap pajeets and destroy your ability to bargain for good wages.It's the same as nuclear in France. They told everyone they were going to shut it down, so no smart people went into nuclear fields and now they have a competency crisis.
>>488817647my Physics Teacher wrote cobol and fortran for a particle accelerator in germany...
>>488819329what are the salaries for your junior colleagues and does you company actually struggle to find employees?
>>488825399Cos you're "supposed to hate 'boomers' and pay a surgeon to transition you to Rust out of spite and you get free programming socks when you finish transitioning to Rust so why not"?
>>488819329>Nah, that gets in the way of the GATEKEEPING that is the lifeblood of the entire MONOPOLISTIC-KLEPTOGANGS-PRETENDING-TO-BE-FREE ENTERPRISE SHITSHOW ftfy.
>>488822328> knows the gatekeeping and grift is real
>>488817647COBOL just works and is very good at what it does. Its latest version is from this year actually. Problem isn't programmer shortage but that corporations expect universities to do all the heavy lifting and training while providing no opportunity to learn it on the job.
>>488817647It's going to be replaced with pajeet coders writing the banking backend in javascript and python.Then the entire west collapses in 2 weeks.
>>488822492>Heavy data stuff though—it's shit.You could send 1M queries to a COBOL-backend on a mainframe and it wouldn't sweat. Everything isn't data warehousing.
>>488820155>they want you to use pajeets off of Fiver to replace YT and billions of losses for you is acceptable collateral damage to advance their agendaChecked and correct
>>488828380>corporations expect universities to do all the heavy liftingprobably because management are not well trained and lack domain specific experience so they blame the coders to hide the fact they don't even know enough to teach them about the given domain in the first place?
>>488828627>>488820155When you realize bankrupting companies is the equivalent of an estate sale or garage sale where you can get $5000 items for $50 you'll get why destroying big companies is an agenda.
>>488820291>I assumed everything was in assembly or C before I knewSo the gatekeeping was a success.
>>488828627Look at Boeing. They'll allow planes to fall apart mid flight and strand astronauts in space for months rather than let go of jeet outsourcing. The "market" can't correct that kind of stupidity, especially when those same companies like Boeing use regulatory capture to ensure that not only do they never face consequences for the failures, but competitors cannot enter the market.
>>488821106Can't wait to see them try to migrate data from a 51 year old system. I watched a company try to migrate from 1980s MacPac software to Windows 10 and omg what a fucking shitshow. Have fun with that data loss.
>>488820844>CICSCICS+RACF are a big deal.
>>488817647JCL chads rise up
>>488817647Wasn't there an episode of Dilbert about this in the fuckign 90s?
>>488821106They spent billions about a decade or so ago trying to replace those systems with more modern ones and eventually gave up because the code is so old and fucked up, and no one could figure out how it worked to replicate it.
>>488828921I've never seen a problem complex enough that it couldn't be solved if the "managers" would STFU and let the engineers do whatever they need to do.
>>488829133I don't doubt that, but good luck waiting for hell to freeze over.
>>488828921>Can't wait to see them try to migrate data from a 51 year old system.Data migrations using custom middleware (Java) transformation systems has been done since the late 90s. They already have tooling on the mainframe side to talk to Java server side. You have no idea how mature and modern the teach is. Governments still use mainframes for a reason.
>>488824779Every item on the shelf got there through a process that included a type-in program from the back of an issue of PC Magazine from the 1980s. The guy who wrote Batchman probably had no idea that every Home Depot used his software from long ago as part of their ordering system. Don't know if it has been replaced since I worked at the SSC but wouldn't be surprised if it hadn't been. Then there's the Olson time zone database that much of the Internet depends on to keep operating. It was maintained by two guys: Arthur David Olson and Paul Eggert. The publisher of an astrology book threatened to file a lawsuit against them, claiming it had a copyright on historical time zone information. Not wanting to get stuck in a costly lawsuit, they stopped maintaining the database. Eventually the EFF and some internet companies stepped in, the astrology publisher backed off, and maintenance of the database was taken over by ICANN. The IT world is full of those little links that must be maintained but no one realizes are there until something breaks and no one knows how to fix it because they didn't even know it was there.
>>488823128Based. Programmer is a force multiplier, but if all you know is programming...
>>488829084You ain’t seen nothing yet
>>488817647I thoight their were no jobs for programmers and jeets took them all.
>>488817647>Why are we still using COBOLLots of old insurance companies use old IBM systems that use COBOL. Lots of Blue Crosses do it , for instance (there's at least 50 BLue Cross insurance companies).Obviously they carry lots of old boomer programmers who have comfy jobs there.
>>488829084>with more modern onesMainframe and midrange computing technology has been continually developed it has not stagnated (see: System i and IBM Power Systems). You have no idea what you don't know. fwiw DB2 is one of the best DMBS in existence.
>>488829572>I thoight their were hardly any jobs for midwit* programmers...ftfy
>>488817647>listening to a woman about computers and programming languageskek who would do such a thing?
>>488819444Because banks will pay you money to use
Instead of training on COBOL if the dataset is limited, wouldn't you just start with an AI that knows coding practices generally, hand it a manual it can keep in context, and begin constructing new synthetic datasets? Model collapse could be avoided by supplementing with anything we do have and with real life feedback on the efficacy of this or that solution.
>>488820556This anon is correct. >>488821129>OOP exists because you faggots cannot for the life of you render anything in a format that isn't named "cat" or "sorting function" or some other bullshit.This anon is also correct.
>>488829278>the astrology publisher backed offthey should have simply paid the company off. so the moral of the story is if you have domain specific knowledge you are actually more competent than someone simply knows every nuance of a given programming language but knows jack shit about a given domain.
>>488818890>The systems are obviously pretty damn reliable.no shit they are reliable. they were written 40-50 years ago and continuously used since, incidentally tested in every possible scenario and not evolving due to a dearth of programmers, so new bugs aren't introduced.
>>488829278A part of this issue is that as the internet became less 'wild west' there has been enormous efforts to prevent people from making parallel systems through the internet.
>>488822086>Loop unrolling is a very advanced techniqueGod, I remember doing that shit back in the 90s to squeeze out every last fucking clock cycle on a 386. Good times, good times.
>>488829648David Lettermanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE2uls6iIEU
>>488829278>The IT world is full of those little links that must be maintained but no one realizes are thereThat should tell you how few people have any domain-specific competence or even bother to gaf.>>488829282
>AI AI AIIf you are a group of banking institutions with billions at hand, I'm sure you can hire some old white guys who know COBOL to upskill junior programmers and maintain the systems. It's not that complicated. We see this all the time in the mining industry>Governments aren't training kids on advanced electrical tradesSo hire a fucking guy to train the newly qualified tradesmen yourself, you lazy fucks.
>>488818588Train people to maintain it then you fucking retard.
>>488829746Stop thinking of an AI as something that “knows” things and can “learn” by “reading a manual” and see it as the fancy autocomplete it is in reality and will be until a complete rearchitecting is done
>>488820844you had to mention CICS and now I have to drink on my nostalgy. fuck this shit called "getting old".
>It is now more than 60 years old.>This has been running on technology that is older than most millennials
>>488829888These were researchers maintaining the database for free. They weren't making any money off of it even though pretty much every computer used it in some form.
>>488822345>self-documenting code even retarded managers can read and understandor, maybe, your notion of 'retarded manager' is not radical enough.
>>488817647So it's not a technical problem and the system is sound, but rape rats from India don't know it and COBOL developers cost too much.Sounds talmudic.
>>488817647>"WE NEED TO CHANGE THING THAT WORKS, HAS NO STABILITY ISSUES AND IS INHERENTLY FREE OF MOST SECURITY PROBLEMS">"fucking why?">"ITS OLD, AARRRRRRRRGGH IM LOSING MY MIND"
>>488817647our government mainframe that services all canadians runs on COBOL, i hear that if you basically are a COBOL master its a 350-400k/yr job guaranteed and you are basically irreplaceable because nobody knows how to use that shit
>>488830076Part of it is that all a given COBOL-backend routine might do is calculate the total tax for a given resident based on county. Its hard to fuck it up because it doesn't do anything but take input, return value over COBOL->mainframe->Java interface. Noobs want to add AI and selfie stick not comprehending the meaning of "if it aint broke dont fix it". COBOL backends can be easy to maintain because its not trying to do 9,000 different things. Same with FORTRAN. FORTRAN library is for specific-thing. Pytards and nodetards seem to have lost touch with the KISS principle. "No no we must has a selfie stick and an instagram interface for the supersonic fighter autopilot system to be complete ya stupid boomer!!"not a boomer btw.
>>488818545lies. my brother made over 4 million scamming companies with "cobol fixes" in 99. he was 17 years old and it set him up for life. he did nothing besides send emails full of tech jargon and random graphs.
>>488817647Ah of course! Let me guess Rust is our avior?
>>488817647> it risks blowing up the entire financial system> Can’t AI just rewrite thisHahahahahahaha it will blow up only if AI is allowed to touch it.
>>488824041>KEEP>THE>PAJEETS>AWAY>FROM>THE>PAYMENT>PROCESSING>CODE!!!This.
>>488830268they don't want to that's the fucking issue.
>>488830806I guarantee you that Claude can write better code than 99% of all current engineers.
>>488830415Still they should have paid them. I have never been cheap. the number of cheap and greedy people who have money to pay reasonably is why the economy is in the shits. I used to pay noob students out of my own pocket if they came onsite with me and I was the one doing them the service of training them* and giving them job experience and I paid them as though they were trained and competent. But yet Bigf#ckingsupercompany International has to cry to the Government for money?
>>488817647python was a joke language in recent memory. now bankers want to use it to build the foundation of their financial empires. i say we let them.
When the pandemic overreaction happened, some states were instantly fucked because their unemployment benefits systems were written in COBOL but never anticipated such a huge sudden surge in claims. To make things even more difficult, everyone was fighting over the same tiny pool of COBOL developers to update their systems "NOW!" while also telling people of that age group that it was deadly for them to be near anyone outside of their household. These types of systems usually aren't easy to interface with remotely on the back end. Lots of stupid management sins all came together at once.
>>488820968is this true? any more info?i work in implantable med devices, if true that's a major fuckup holy shit
>>488830903Publicly traded companies are part of the problem. They are allowed to put shareholder dividend gibs over and above morality or reason. 'get the government to pay for it' is justified because 'we have to bleedmax to satisfy the shareholders' (aka grift).
>>488817647Who cares. Only monopoly money finance jews care
>>488823272>filtered by vimLOL!
>>488820968>please jew give me a fake electronic heart>*jew heart fails*>ahhh its everyones fault except for medical jews!!
I went to community college in 2003 and dropped out because it was some guy in his 60s teaching cobol and coaxial token ring networks I thought it was a complete scam it kinda was due the job market wanting modern servers and they didn't have equipment or curriculum But damn if just called it legacy systems or something and not networking
>>488830926That's not saying much.
>>488831282That is because of kikes (aka the dodge brothers) who forced Ford to give precedence to shareholders over employees because he wanted to give them the profit as bonuses, but (((they))) saw that profit as their own gain due to prior investment. Basically from that point on companies were forced to redistribute the profits to shareholders, at the detriment of the workers.
>>488831100>now bankers want to use it to build the foundation of their financial empires.front ends probably. but even if they are using some distributed ledger tech chances are they'll be talking to some BIS, World Bank or Central Bank owned mainframes and COBOL backend anyway."Whats a COBOL? We've never heard of any COBOLs? Are you schizo? Nothing to see here midwits all you need is Python (a snake that kills by paralyzing you and choking you out btw) and a pod in downtown San Francisco!" --Anonymous Bank Imperialist
>>488830698Why is this a thing across every industry in the world now?When I was in Uni I worked at a supermarket that was a flagship store. They would constantly bring in these consultants to set up new systems that did exactly the same thing as the previous system only more conoluted and less efficiently. No one could ever explain what the actual point was. When I moved into a government job with the rail system, it was the same thing.>people just want more trains and for them to be on time>Do they though? This media screen has an animation of the train and it's current location on the network>Where is the animation?>Oh. The trains are cancelled this weekend due to a shortage of drivers
>>488817647The ticking time bomb is not COBOL. The time bomb is when they get all the jeets converting it to python and C# and the financial system collapses due to security flaws and runtime errors.
>>488831918It doesn't matter what language they try to convert it to. If jeets do it it will break.
>>488831282Even that no longer makes sense.>We saved a couple thousand bucks on overtime. Hooray>We just lost a billion dollar in contracts due to our corner cutting leading to catastrophic failure
>>488821539only 36 lines. impressive.
>>488817647how hard can COBOL be to learn? literally just use ChatGPT to hold your hand through it
>>488831696I have a relative who had a huge patent portfolio. He refused to take his companies public and they tried to kill him and then spent over 20 years trying to keep him broke. He refused to take his companies public because he realized the moment he did it he'd lose control over his entire intellectual property portfolio even if he maintained 51% of the controlling shares and he would not be able to give contractors or employees money according to his own discretion.They have done that to many many many people that is why there has been so much soulessness and questionable activities afoot. Many of the actual innovators with soul were sidelined so money worshipers could gorge themselves on money which has made so many people utterly miserable. FWIW.
>>488830698>Pytards and nodetards seem to have lost touch with the KISS principle.So much this. Let’s add in eight layers of completely pointless abstraction because it’s OOP and I am a 1337 haxx0r!!!I am waiting for the day when AWS implodes because of this shit and the whole world collapses in an instant.
>>488831918that's why you rebuild it with rust
>>488832014>>We saved a couple thousand bucks on overtime. Hooray>>We just lost a billion dollar in contracts due to our corner cutting leading to catastrophic failureSame shitwit thinking has some retail manager get a pat on the head for having one cashier at a dollar store instead of two. Yet 1,000 people stopped shopping there. Imagine getting a pat on the head by making sure one less person had spending money and then being puzzled 'why isn't anyone buying anything'. Malicious incompetence is apparently a thing.
>>488832014Doesn’t matter. The overtime savings were this quarter and the catastrophic failure comes next quarter so kikes can argue they’re completely unrelatedHonesty you don’t even have to get rid of dodge v ford to start with, the thing that’ll fix most public company woes is to extend fiduciary duty to include upholding long-term health even if it comes with more expense now
>>488817647buy XRP
And yet they still don’t want to train or hire anyone fresh out of college. So just let it collapse.
>>488832089Its not hard. A lot of people like glamor and flossing (something to brag about) so they go with popular and easy things they can brag about. If it takes too much effort then its hard to jump to Next cool Thing..has to have low effort.
>>488817647so what i'm getting from this article is that the CyberPandemic(tm) could take the form of an exploit of the COBOL programming underlying the financial system
>>488817647>POSIX>Ada>Java>C++ with custom verification tooling>RustIntelligent design? Proper documentation? Never heard of it.
>>488821539Amateurish. Why aren't the integers in the conditional expressions unrolled into unary notation? e.g. 2 = 1+1, 3 = 1 + 1 + 1, etc.Also, this could have gone up to 11.
>>488817647So Kobol is too strict for bullshitting with it , so they want something more prone to be shit, to do , well, bullshit and fuck everyone more.If its an issue fucking pay more for those jobs and people magically will be interested in COBOL.
>>488832295Most rustaceans know nothing about microprocessors or the underlying calling conventions. The people behind COBOL and FORTRAN did and do.
>>488817647COBOL isn't that hard to learn, relax lol.t. learned it before
>>488817647>younger generations understandably tend to gravitate towards more in-demand and modern languagesSounds like they should offer training and monetary incentives for younger programmers to learn this critical and apparently reliable programming language that maintains trillions of dollars
>>488817647it would be cool to learn COBOL, I'm into assembly for old cpu's and such but they would never trust a younger guy and they would have ridiculous requirements like 10 years experience and the old people don't want to teach the young.>>488818890The whole change everything to the flavour of the month every few years just seem inefficient. Why shouldn't people want to make something that runs fine for 50 years.>>488831818computer nerd types are real bad for this.
>>488821705>drinks quite a lot of alcoholAnd its probably very expensive alcohol.
Imagine that boomer spaghetti codeBut they'll just rewrite it in Java or some shit if it becomes a problem.
>>488832774Life is too short to drink cheap alcohol; treat yourself to the good things when you can.
it doesn't really matter if you train a bunch of young people on COBOL because modern systems are compromised by default and everything they create will be stolen and they will never enjoy the fruits of their own labor, all of their mistakes will be visible to bad actors who have already compromised their systems. in order to prevent catastrophe, we're going to need the restoration of the 4th amendment.
>>488818416>>python... top tier lmfaoYeah, anyone who rates python highly are terrible programmers.It literally removes all the fun to cater to script kiddies level of understanding.
>>488820556>The only issue may be machine architecture, and even there, I would suspect that compilers have been continually updated since the 1960s.Its not stagnated tech. The mainframes and midrange computing platforms and the toolchains have been continually updated.>>488820784Midrange and mainframe computers are beyond anything you have yet to comprehend.
>>488820916>And financial institutions can't use a few millions to fund a COBOL university.Cant be threatening those stock dividends.
>>488832698No, that costs money. We need someone who can make us a profit on day 1.
>>488818869Masochism for money has its appeals.
>>488817647ai will handle it all with easejust make sure there are sufficient test cases
>>488832378We had a CEO here who utterly ruined a major airline. They received a bail out in the billions, paid their bonuses out and left.It's like half the world runs on a scamconomy now. It later came out, as expected, that bribery was rife and people acted shocked. But I don't wonder if corruption is now (and has been for some time) the norm, not the exception.
Translation: we want to replace well paid employees with Javascript pajeets.
>>488833052>>>python... top tier lmfaoI hate snakes. imho python is cringe to be used begrudgingly. picrel
>>488833218Bribery and corruption has always been the norm.American Dream, Universal Healthcare and other bullshit is stuff they tell kids to make them feel good.We're on a prison planet of our own making.
>>488833218Name the airline
>>488833218That became inevitable when they financialized literally fucking everything in the 70s and 80s.
>>488817647It's cheaper to maintain a system than it is to write a new one. Any one of these companies can replace their old system with a new one at any moment but choose not to for a few reasons. I was a programmer for Wells Fargo, I had to access the mainframe with an emulated terminal of an old machine, so it also acts as a security layer.It's cheaper to hire people to maintain the system than it is to replace it, COBOL is not a hard language, if someone is a decent programmer they can pick it up without issue.
>>488833333Witnessed!
>>488833333digits of TRVTH
>>488820968Why would an artificial heart need to know what the date is?
>>488833333The digits don't lie
>>488817647Here's the link, OP, btwhttps://www.electronicpaymentsinternational.com/news/cobol-a-ticking-time-bomb-in-the-financial-system-sliverflow-ceo/
>>488833393Greed and grift. Stores used to have their own credit departments. Now most all of them outsourced it all to banks and credit card companies.
>>488833345QANTAS. They're in the news (yet) again.
>>488817647>Can’t AI just rewrite this infrastructure
Why should the global economy be put at risk maintaining old code that we designed for computers with 64kb of RAM? My MacBook Pro probably has more processing power than a square block of old mainframes running these antiquated backends.
>>488833396>It's cheaper to maintain a system than it is to write a new one.Part of the cost would be hiring someone that is competent in the specific domain whether its a telecommunications company, a bank, a warehouse or a county revenue agency.
>>488833654Samantha must show me her cunt'ass iykwim.
>>488817647Literally just hire a white CS grad and have the head software dev teach them the language. Why is this so complicated?
>>488833779this is literally what they do atm
>>488833333> picrel
>>488833779CS programs don’t teach cobol. All of the exciting companies don’t use that. No market demand.
>>488833779CS grad doesn't necessarily know anything about the domain.
>>488833842Then what’s the issue? If it works then it works, who cares
>>488817647>critical lack of developers>jr Cobol dev job pays the same as Mcdonnalds wagie Its not rocket science. They dont pay shit and I wont work for free
>>488833779The consensus from the thread seems to be that training employees on tasks is "someone else's job".
>>488833779I did 1 course in COBOL many years ago. It was an elective and most students chose to do graphics in C instead so the class was small. I started my career with very little experience and just learned everything on the job from senior devs
>>488823713ok boomer
>>488817647>Can’t AI just rewrite this infrastructure into python or some other top tier language/g/ hereNo AI lacks several infrastructures to makes it happen among those being:- Semantics of individual tokens are unclear because the system must take the syntax tree into account- No formalized proof for successful translation, no AI knows a proof language as of yet- Unit tests are vacuous, the business requirements would need to be read from COBOL source- .. I could go on etcCobol is an interesting frontier as it contains a lot of inline SQL, Fortran being more a scientific tool in comparison, while Cobol allows for access to the outer/real worldIf you want to know more you can leave addy
>Banks then: Your balance was always accurate. It worked so well you barely noticed with computerized.>Banks now: Phone apps that need to be update every time you open. ATM is down about 50% of the time. Website and app display different numbers for your balancs. Transactions take days to post and process.
>>488833891people think it's gross because it's old. the only issue the article points out with the language is that it's more than 60 years old.It's not as nice as modern languages but that's fine, it works and is now a specific-use language, imo it's fine if it stays how it is and people only learn it that are working in that industry. The issue with this is nobody will be amazing with the language outside a few autists but that is fine, no new major systems need to be written in it.
>>488830608>i hear that if you basically are a COBOL master its a 350-400k/yr job guaranteed and you are basically irreplaceable because nobody knows how to use that shityeah, that's true for languages like COBOL, Fortran and Perl
>>488834130ATMs and phone apps are on the front end are programmed in JavaThe backend is COBOL
>>488822345>data and code in seperate divisionswhat is a division>COBOL prevents overflowsthat is huge news to me are you sure>self-documenting code
>>488819050Dev here. Hints of how I can enter into the COBOL gang ?
>>488817647>>488832474Yeah, feels like Cyber Polygon Apathy Testing."Cobol" is quite close to "Cobalt" too, which is one of the presumed meanings of Blue Eisenhower November. (I was assuming Cobalt = 27 due to it's atomic weight, with Eisenhower meaning Dwight D or 4 and 4 or "2 4s", November for November, so you get 27 November 24)I think Cobol is also the name of the "Mormon Home Planet". Which means the Cyber Polygon ruse is being authored by the CIA/FBI (the one that was were taken over by mormons and run out of Colorado City - the whole weird Denver Scene really, with the killer horse statue and the DUMB under the airport)It's "Kolob", so a slight mashing of it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob
>Its worked for 60 years and now no one knows how to modify itThats a feature, not problem. I'm in a Physics PhD program. All our shit was written 40 years ago in FORTRAN. No one knows how this shit works. Some of it we just pass around the executable because the source code was lost years ago. It stuff that has worked for decades, so you just use it. Every now and then some ambitious student comes along and wants to rewrite it in something modern like Rust. And every time, it ends up running worse and having a bunch of bugs and other issues. You don't need to rewrite the bank bankend software. Its worked for 60 years. Just leave it the fuck alone.
>>488831818>Why is this a thing across every industry in the world now?Back in the day we developed things because it had a common good factor. Nowadays more and more people have seemed seem to be motivated more by money and competing with someone else for a place at the slop trough. Souless half-assing for getting ahead of other crabs vs actually doing it with soul.>>488831818>They would constantly bring in these consultants to set up new systems that did exactly the same thing as the previous system only more convoluted and less efficiently.Same thing as in why they buy $100K selfcheckout unit when they could have just hired two more cashiers and pay them all more money? Yet they raise the prices on food to pay for shit no one needed or desired in the first place.
>>488834479>>488817647There you go OP, AI has responded to your thread. problem as good as solved
>>488833333Checked.
>>488834406There are plenty of COBOL books, vids, articles online and even in libraries.
>>488834459Jew here. Hints of how I can enter into the SHEKEL gang ?
>>488834479wow, it's just like Red Hitler Holocaustamaaaaazing
>>488830608>>488834218The problem is finding those positions. If you put FORTRAN as your language on most applications, they will literally pass it around the office so everyone can individually laugh at you before throwing it out. You have to find the one aging nuclear power plant tucked back in the hills in rural Ohio who needs a Fortran programmer in order to actually use your skills.
>>488834479fwiw 'blue chip stocks' is a reference to stocks owned or controlled by 'bluebloods'.
>>488834670That is great we should put them in retirement homes for residents to read
>The jeets are going to start rewriting the backend bank codeThis is going to be fucking hilarious. Grab some popcorn.
>>488818479Who is this FORTRAN guy?
>>488834952Are the kikes so dedicated to their tikkun olam shit that they’ll let dalits redeem the source of their power? Only time will tell
>>488834532>You don't need to rewrite the bank bankend software. Its worked for 60 years. Just leave it the fuck alone.Pretty much. If a programmer knows fuck all about accounting, banking regulations he probably shouldn't meddle. fwiw iirc Erlang was heavily used to support ATM queries to HQ backends.>All our shit was written 40 years ago in FORTRAN. No one knows how this shit works.If you don't know math, linear algebra, combinatorics, chemistry, computational fluid dynamics, finite element analysis, structural analysis, numeric computing yeah you probably won't know how it works. Dont ask me why i know.
>>488817647your banking system=not my problem, we have one of the most modern banking systems, thanks for disconnecting us from swift btw
>>488834578kek>>488834684prepare yo tendies, bro>>488834786Any weird movement happening with those at the moment?
>>488833333Witnessed
>>488834532>written 40 years ago in FORTRANAnd anyone who bothers to look at the internals of the FORTRAN tool chain and its origins it would make sense why if you are going to make improvements to an existing codebase you would do it >>> in FORTRAN<<< not Rust. Making libraries and wrappers for C#, Java, Rust, Go might make sense but doing critical systems grade scientific computing in Rust? no no no no. naw. naw. no way.
>>488835229>Any weird movement happening with those at the moment?iirc the DOW is an index based mainly on blue chip stocks.
>>488835229>Any weird movementand btw Boeing is a blue-chip stock.
>>488835109>tikkun olamOrganic TO is more about having a sense of community instead of only extreme individuality. Maybe there is some obnoxious variant I don't know about.
>>488818416I'm learning python for fun and I'm a mentally retarded unlicensed tradie.
>>488817647Globohomo golems are trained to see obsolesence in age. What doesn't break cannot be replaced with shoddily designed rubbish that costs a fortune, a premium and compound interest (in the form of both, worthless magic paper and metastizing, self-defeating shortterm solutions).
>>488817647So "learn 2 code (COBOL)?"
>>488835611Its a good intro and good for a tradie to know. its handy being able to create useful trade-specific software if you have a good grip on construction maths and such.
>>488834532>studentThat's why. COBOL stuff was written by grizzled old men with decades of experience. You need someone equally experienced to write something of similar quality in another language and even then its not going to be as good at first as it hasn't yet had a few decades of refinement that the COBOL stuff has.
>>488834532>I'm in a Physics PhD program.If they didn't saturate you in Computational Physics i'd say you'd be missing out bigly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1vPVQ9g23I&list=PL39mDr1uU6a7Z6O5ZT-95CpxlLsOoocdDpicrel
>>488830542time to rebuild our financial system with javascript!I mean, what could go wrong?
>>488834479based overactive-pattern-recognition-poster schizanon
I got your back covered, cobolsisters
>>488834532>You don't need to rewrite the bank bankend software. Its worked for 60 years. Just leave it the fuck alone.because nothing ever happens...
>>488835867I'm having fun with it. Must've been more fun before openai caused everyone and everything to lock down their data... but at least I can make a little working chessboard.
>>488830542saar plz redeem
>>488833396and people wonder why bethesda still runs with their updated gamebryo engine
>>488833779>hire a white CS gradthat would be racist
You're like 30 years late on this topic OP
>>488817647>If it works it's outdated The real problem is jeets are retarded and they want to hire idiot nigroids to maintain it instead of competent whites.>>488818365This anon gets it.>>488818588>No one can maintain itLots of people can you disingenuous kike, you just won't hire them because they're white and expensive.I speak COBOL and I wont touch your shit for less than 1k an hour. Considering these systems process millions of not hundreds of millions an hour I'm a fucking bargen.... except I don't work for kikes. >Push endless white hate>Realize whites invented everything and are the only ones who know how to maintain itLolLamo even
>>488818929>Reee we need programmers>Hahahah, you know something therefore your oldCOBOL is easy as fuck to learn and only retarded subhumans and woman struggle with it because it doesn't spoon feed you and requires rigid definitions.
>>488836446>openaiAI is IMHO is presented mainly to distract people from being functionally competent.
>>488823128They used to force economics and business majors at my school to learn basic COBOL. I got a CS degree back when it was worth something and I ran a bunch of study sessions for them. Very straight forward language but I can see why idiot jeets and their sloppy, lazy programming skills are inadequate.
>>488834703>You have to find the one aging nuclear power plant tucked back in the hills in rural Ohio who needs a Fortran programmer in order to actually use your skills.FORTRAN is heavily used in CAD/CAM/CFD/Simulations and in aeronautics, aerospace and aviation and even maritime and marine.
>>488837073It's going to open up for us to do other things. The industrial revolution made modern sports possible.
>>488834130>Transactions take days to post and process.Geee, it is almost as if the back end was built in a time when RAM was measured in bytes.The COBOL timebomb is another case of the number must go up dilemma.The fees no longer conver up the time it takes to process so the banks need to process more transaction
>>488837349>They used to force economics and business majors at my school to learn basic COBOLMake sense.
>>488836208Great post. The number of grad students/PhDs trying to do computational physical in various fields who can't use a shell, file system, and console text editors is unreal. It's like trying to build an Apollo rocket with one of those $20 no name amazon handyman tool kits.
>>488837846AI is useful. The best uses I've seen are in applications that already require some kind of expertise rather than AI doing homework and thinking for you.
>>488837912>The number of grad students/PhDs trying to do computational physicalThese days it makes zero sense to curricula in any decent university or college to have mandatory requirements in numeric or computational computing whether its Java, C# or FORTRAN. That book (picrel above) is a rare find IMHO.
>>488838434>to not* have mandatory requirementsCORRECTION^
>>488830516Great post
>>488837859This just tells me you don't know shit about application driven language selection. Even a trillion dollars in transactions can be processed in less than a few megs of ram. This isn't image processing or even audio it's all accounting and that's tiny.You are a moron and know nothing.
>>488838024>AI is useful.Very useful
>>488817647Make AI learn to code?
>>488839523>reeeee my AI-assisted spankbank speaks for its self you assholemany such cases.
>>488819415>mainframeWe teach mainframe too, it’s just called “cloud computing” nowT. Master COBOL architect
>>488839740>it’s just called “cloud computing” now
>>488839692It's the jews.
>>488839956>>488839740
>>488838434>These days it makes zero sense for* curricula in any decent university or college to not* have mandatory requirements in numeric or computational computing ...
>>488840237> I store all my pron and files on Tha Cloud and use google docs for everything in my lifeno thanks.
