what happened
libertarians are useless when it comes to using power and the government. use it or it will be used against you.
>>488879754dumpy came along
>>488879891Argentina just elected the first ancap president ever
>>488879754/pol/ realised that lolberts and communists actually both just want to rape kids and they just disagree on how to achieve that end.>>488879891This.>>488880011He’s not an AnCap tho.
>/pol/ is one personlurk more
/pol/ became a Trump personality cult
>>488879754/pol/ is a zogboard, we push democracies in antisemitic countries
>>488880011>ancaplmao is that what we're calling it now
>>488880185libertarians here are the biggest chuds, even more than the fascists
/pol/ is a BBC porn board, we make BBC propaganda and push cuckhold ideology
>>4888797542020. 2020 conclusively demonstrated that people don't want libertarianism.
>>488880829american libertarians are pozzed
>>488880519When you evolve far enough to be trusted with freedom, I'll start to listen
Hoppe is pretty cool. He is sort of so far libertarian that he is back at divine right monarchy.
>>488880519Yeah he memes the AnCap. He isn’t actually going to institute AnCapistan nor would he if he could because he knows it’s a meme ideology and it would probably result in communism.>libertarians here are the biggest chudsNo lolbertarians are just groomers with no natural voter base.
I’ll crack out the ol copy pasta.So there is a dispute between Lolberts known as yellow and purple.Yellow lolberts simply want to sell drugs to children.Purple lolberts want to sell children for drugs (ideally as under-age sex slaves)The lolbert community (much like ANTIFA) has a huge infestation of pedophiles within its ranks.This isn’t all too surprising as the relativist lolbert world view of “let people do whatever they want” is very attractive to degenerates.Yellow lolberts have tried to keep their ideology vaguely respectful (and less of a meme) however in a debate if both parties are reasonably intelligent the purple libertarian will always come out victorious.The yellow lolbertarian is working from the same playbook as the purple, one which prizes freedom above all, but is calling for the restriction of freedoms that the purple is not.The purple IS the TRHU lolbertarian. This largely stems from the NAP which can be ignored within reasonable debate but within lolbert discussion it is a necessary fixture.It is one that has deep flaws that enable the rampant growth of degeneracy and the domination of Purple lolberts.>But why??The NAP is a negative moral system.It is a system that claims nothing to be good only bad.Aggressing against or directly causing harm to someone is bad. All actions which do this are immoral (tho why I have no idea), actions which do not do this are moral.Thus the pedophile who stands on the sidewalk, publicly pleasuring himself to the sight of children is doing nothing wrong as he has not “directly” caused me harm. As a lolbert would say>you can always just walk awayAnd thus, this man, simply through the act of not running up and cracking me over the skull, is a moral person.
>>488881488Digits confirm.Also Cont.Another example is the possession of child porn.While a yellow and purple could argue at length about age of consent, a yellow could not make a convincing argument for the banning of possession of child pornography.The pornography has already been made, the purple is just possessing it, he has done nothing wrong, stop restricting his freedom.>a yellow might try to claim he causing harm by creating a demand.But once a yellow treads that ground and abandons the lolbertarian orthodoxy of thinkers like Rand and he opens the NAP up to indirect forms of harm.Once done the system quickly collapses and harm incorporates things such as mega-corps creating pollution, Gun shops selling ammo that is used in crimes, wars etc. people causing indirect harm by exposing other people to drugs who ‘but for’ that exposure would not have gotten addicted.And thus the NAP swiftly crumbles.The Purple lolbertarian does not do this as (unfortunately) he is the true and orthodox face of the Lolbertarian movement.
>>488881356>give more power to the government, it will reduce their powerno way /pol/ fell to this retarded psyop so easily
>>488881488>>488881488>Aggressing against or directly causing harm to someone is bad.bad strawman
>>488882306>give more power to the governmentLiterally Argentina man’s whole strategy. Here’s the dirty secret anon. Power doesn’t magically decentralise and you refusing to use the most power of the state won’t magically make your opponents stop using it.You are delusional and also most likely a pedo, fuck off back to plebbit.
>>488880458I would smack that fuckers face in. There is not a single person on this planet i hate more then that fucking kike.
>>488882536I’m familiar with Hoppe. Problem with the indirect argument is now you need a complex state apparatus to decide what indirect harm is, who is responsible and what the response should be. If a firearm company sells a gun that is then used to shoot innocent people they have “”indirectly”” caused harm.Congratz you now have abandoned AnCapism.*yawn* LARPatarians are so boring.
>>488882665Taking government power is not the same as raising government power, you have to be retarded to equate those 2.Again, nothing but strawman.The good thing is reality hits, anyone who clings to political power will be smashed, who lives by the sword will die by the sword.Good thing I'm on bitcoin
>>488881488>relativist lolbert world view Libertarianism is not inherently relativist.>The NAP is a negative moral systemIt is not a full moral system. It is not supposed to hold your penis as you pee. It is a minimum criteria. You are expecting it to give you all of your morals. It won't nor it should. Think for yourself, nigger.
>>488882940>If a firearm company sells a gun that is then used to shoot innocent people they have “”indirectly”” caused harm.No, they have not. You are just unable to understand context and, therefore, fall very easily for the genetic fallacy.
>>488882940It's no indirect harm, it's openly advocating for values that antithetical to the natural rights. You don't need any complex state apparatus to understand this.Argumentation ethics, not against libertarians at all.
>>488879754>/pol/ is a monolithFuck off you fucking hue
>>488879754My man Boicano out here shitposting.
>>488883511Not an argument.kys
>>488883010>Taking government power is not the same as raising government powerRetarded strawman. Please link the post where I said “the only way to limit government power is to increase government power”.>Again, nothing but strawman.Fuck lolbertarians are retarded. He’s actually using government power (something that lolberts kvetch about) to remove leftoids so that he can reduce government power. You cant adhere to a meme ideology that opposes government power on principle. >The good thing is reality hits, anyone who clings to political power will be smashed, who lives by the sword will die by the sword.Government power isn’t ontologically good or evil, it’s about who and how it is used, again my entire previous point.You need to grow out of this childish phase. Come back to /pol/ when you are 18+
>>488883351Statist use nothing but fallacies, he literally can't even think outside of ad hominem fallacy and resorts to calling everyone a pedo.Good thing they and their offspring will be punished for this, justice will be served, this is in the bible book of samuel
>>488883708>He’s actually using government power (something that lolberts kvetch about) to remove leftoids so that he can reduce government power.This is something pragmatic (often Hoppean) libertarians do not oppose at all. >>488883710Yeah, at least those that defend the state because they actually think it will be the solution somehow (or are literally fascists/commies/totalitarian in general). A lot of people just want anything or anybody to deal with the madness we find ourselves in, and the state apparatus looks promising (and might have to be used in order to get out of this because the other factions will definitely use it forever, if able). It is a product of desperation.
>>488883710>lolbert pretends he's antistate
>>488882536CENSORSHIP="DON'T CRITICISE ME, WHAT I SAY, OR WHAT I DO!"This Hoppe and Hoppeans can unironically FUCK OFF and KYS.
>>488883708When you said libertarianism would lead to communism without any citation, claiming that less government power will lead to more government power is the same logic.>using government power (something that lolberts kvetch about) to remove leftoids so that he can reduce government power.>>give more power to the government>Literally Argentina man’s whole strategy.>He’s actually using government power (something that lolberts kvetch about) to remove leftoids so that he can reduce government power. So he's not giving more power, and that's exactly my point from the beginning , you were equating using power with giving more power.>can't write without an insult at the end of every sentence or changing words as mockery>Come back to /pol/ when you are 18+terrible projection
>>488879754What's up, Renato Moicano
>>488884040>This is something pragmatic (often Hoppean) libertarians do not oppose at all.When he said he was "familiar" with hoppe, he meant that he literally just heard of him. /pol/ created a generation of kids who read a meme text and think they know everything about that subject.
>>488884184You're acting like a woman
>>488879754/pol/ is disappointed in the current state of events and is immensely tired
>>488883710Renato is that you?
>>488884409kek
>>488883595thats crazy b
>>488884598Funny how his teacher is another guy called Renato who's even more radical and currently the biggest figure of libertarianism in Brazil
>>488880458Why is a wall built by Herod the Great so important to talmudic theology?
>>488879754Half this board are boomers with lead poisoning and most of the remainder are shills of one kind or another. It would be funny if it wasn't sad.
>>488885119Low T is also a big one, I think there are a lot of terminally online kids who are completely hysterical, this australian guy here can't even write like a normal person.>You fucking pedo LULBERTARIANS lol, leftoids, huh you bore me! *Yawn* haha FUCK YOU Come back when you're 18 btw redditor!Like how does a person like this have any chance in life
>>488885466I think it is an atittude born out of desperation to a certain extent. Some people just admire action and have little regard for correct reasoning and sound principles. Besides, it is also true that libertarianism won't fix shit without a pragmatic approach that might be frowned upon by other libertarians purity spiraling. I think that in order to convince those that only have eyes for action, enough libertarians must embody the principles, dangerously even. The problem is that too many libertarians use it as an excuse for hedonism and to avoid inconvenient discussions (the kind of thing that lead to fucking Jo Jorgensen being a relevant figure in the "libertarian" party, that fucking BLM cock sucking retard of an obese imbecile). More libertarians should be powerful and strong and COORDINATED. Organize a militia, get your own energy source, have at least the schematics to get a self-sustaining community (or at least compound) running, get 3D printers, communications devices, relocate, aggressively engage in agorism and so on. If enough libertarians did this, not only we would convince more "men of action" (not that they are taking action, most of the time they are merely admirers of strong men), but we would be a force that transcends politics that they cannot ignore. You only need to reach a criticall mass of libertarians doing this. And I don't mean that the cultural front should be abandoned, but there should be a much more robust effort beyond politics as I have described.
>>488885040It's symbolic of their Temple's destruction
>>488879754>>488879891>>488880185>>488880519>>488880829>>488880925>>488881356>>488881488>>488881542>>488882665Fuck off well poisoning kike. Israel has only one military option. That's to drop its trousers bend over and take the dicks of nearly every country on earth. And as its colon brims to capacity with cum it will die in a series of civil wars and ethnic uprisings.Israel is a failed state that was once glued together and made prosperous by the Pax Americana. The US is done fighting for global free trade only to be demonized at every turn. Perhaps we will like it better going back to an age of competing imperial powers. First casualty of that will be Israel. Israel is a cheesy whore moaning as she is plundered by a thousand cheap dirty Johns. Watch as it is erased from history in under a decade. Bye Israel. Bye bye now.
>>488886075Titus personally made sure there was no stone left standing of the actual Temple as was prophesized by Jesus Himself. They go and bow down to a wall of Fort Antonina.
>>488881149He's not a libertarian. He's an anti-immigrant, anti-nigger, anti-Semitic monarchist.
