Fuck, how can Russia hope to cope with this? Is this the end of the Russian Federation as we know it?
>>488967977Surely this wunderwaffe will allow Ukarine to win
>>488967977Ukraine will surely win now
>literally Tochka-Uhohols had hundreds of those already
>>488968077>wunderwaffeIt's a 1980s Cold War hand-me-down produced in the 90s that were about to be decommissioned.
>>488968289>literally Tochka-UBut it actually works as stated, or better.
>>488967977>Fuck, how can Russia hope to cope with this? Is this the end of the Russian Federation as we know it?Da
>>488967977not only that but F-16sreal game changers
>>488967977>howdoyoudofellowgoyim.png>Russia lose am I rite?
>>488968299On that note, the new PrSM only has a 200lb/90kg warhead, isn't it underpowered?
>>488967977>The sabers have been rattledNothing ever happens
The Russians will demand a larger DMZ inside of Ukraine. Zelensky keeps fucking around and keeps finding out.
>>488967977Is it really that mediocre? I thought it could at the very least target Moscow or maybe even Urals. I hope piggers get bombed to bits just for making a mountain out of a molehill (again)
>>488968641Not when you can put it exactly where you want it to be, reliably.
>>488968299>It's a 1980s Cold War hand-me-down produced in the 90s that were about to be decommissioned.nigger, most military tech used today is from the cold war era.The saying goes: war is the mother of innovation.You can't produce good weapons in peace time. Because there's no competition involved in the field of real military adversity. Hence why F35 is a shitfest. Producing weapons without aimimg to win actual wars is just innovation for the sake of clout and corruption.
>>488968641it does the job
>>488968807It was handicapped by the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) that forbade BMs with a range greater than 300km. You can squeak out another 50km-75km in range with optimized flight trajectories, i.e. lofting flying a high AOA in mid-course. It's going to bleed your velocity down, though.
>>488968077Fpbp - 33rd times the charm edition
>>488967977D E E PINTO R*SSIA
>>488969151>nigger, most military tech used today is from the cold war era.Like what, exactly? There's a difference between systems designed during the Cold War that are continuously upgraded to modern tech, and ATACMS literally produced in the 90s that never get upgraded and were days from getting decommissions, retard.>You can't produce good weapons in peace time.Of course, you can.>Because there's no competition involved in the field of real military adversity.Bullshit. Just because you're at peace with your rivals doesn't automatically make them your allies to ignore.>Hence why F35 is a shitfest.The F-35 is a great platform. What are you even talking about? Somewhat delayed and overpriced (at first)? Sure. A shitfest? No.>Producing weapons without aimimg to win actual warsWho does this, exactly?>is just innovation for the sake of clout and corruption.Do you expect countries to not continue innovation during peace time so that they are decades behind in tech once a hot war actually starts? Seriously, are you retarded, or 15?
>>488967977Russia has a very robust air defense system for these. AFU is barely functional at this point in the war. They don't have a single battalion that's above 35% strength in manpower. Everywhere along the front they've been in a continuous state of "retrograde maneuvers" (aka retreat) for the last year, and they barely have any AA systems left on the battlefield to defend from incoming Russian missiles of all varieties. The Russian Air Force has been flying with impunity along the grey zone for the last 6 months. And let's not forget they have the ability to temporarily blind NATO satellite coverage at will. They do it every single time they use their hypersonic missiles. Which they have plenty of while we still have not developed a way of countering yet. I think once one of these ATACMS slips through the cracks and actually does some significant damage to the well-oiled Russian warmachine they will respond 20 fold to whatever decision making centers are left in Kiev and Liev. This means there will be a lot of pain corresponding to each and every launch Zelensky's okays. Expect more irreputable damage to civilian infrastructure and an unrelenting carpet-bombing campaign of Ukie front/rear over the next 60 days until they are finally forced to capitulate. Followed by the 10k strong Maxim Krivonos Battalion, that Russia's been forming out of AFU POWs over the last 3 years, to move in and do to Zelensky what the AFU didn't have the spine to do to him a long time ago.
>>488967977looks VERY EASY to shoot down with laser weapons... very easyim not impressed
>>488967977A handful of missiles isn't going to change anything.
>>488967977nothing ever happens.
>>488968289And now they have more
>>488967977Digits and Kyiv gets turned to glass
>>488971462>Russia has a very robust air defense system for these.
>>488967977Not just that. The storm shadow bunker busting cruise missile as well. That's a 1000lbs bunker buster that they will be able to use in russia. Those one way attack drones that they hit in russia with only have 20-75kg warheads. The ATACMS usage in russia is a big deal. So this will be a major step up in ability to kill russians and destroy russian materiel/infrastructure within the bounds of russia. It's still very limited, though. Not all of russia.
>>488969151The F-35 is the best plane in the sky right now for nearly everything that matters in modern warfare. Its only downsides are not enough range and not enough speed, but the US has other planes for that. Stop falling for stupid media clickbait.
>>488971462>Russia has a very robust air defense systemSEVASTOPOL NAVAL HQ STATUSSTORMSHADOWED.COM
$1.7m per
>>488972206AMERICA27 TRILLION DOLLAR GDPPER YEAREVERY YEAR
>>488967977russia has already shot all of them down
>>488967977How many do they have? Trump isn't giving any more as he is Putin's cock holster.
>>488972206Look at this economic brainlet.
>>488972206that's it?
>>488968182They will be able to destroy russian personnel and materiel/infrastructure within russia using massively more destructive warheads. And much harder to defend against weapons as well. The ones you see them hitting russia with, the one way attack drones, have relatively small warheads. And there's the storm shadow 1000lbs penetrative bunker busting unitary warhead as well. Very serious weapons that Ukraine didn't have the ability to use in russian territory. Like an order of magnitude more high explosive/metal fragment/shrapnel/shock, ect, deliverance per munitions unit delivered.
>>48897234736 Trillion in debt and rising.
>>488972975You losing your SSI gibs check when Elon and Vivek get rolling is a good start at reducing the debt.
>>488972975gdp is a reality, debt is a promise
>>488972975Debt is fake and gay when you owe it to yourself.
>>488971943Russia Today, a Russian state propaganda outlet invites Pierre Spray, a disgraced retard with an axe to grind against modern fighter jets onto their network to tell everyone how bad the F-35 is. The entire interview is broadcast in English. In the middle of Russia.And fucking retards like that guy will still fall for it and believe the F-35 is bad.
>>488973181>>488973195Yet the vast majority of people believes it is real. Doesn't matter if its real or not. The majority of humanity believe it is real and will base their actions off that belief. Power perceived is power achieved. It is how our enemies got into power to begin with
>>488972206$820,000 per, as they were bought in '96-'97, not 2021.
>>488973404>Yet the vast majority of people believes it is real.>believesThe vast majority of people are retarded, and your English is atrocious. Work on it ESL, nigger, and drop the VPN.
>>488973404youre actually retarded
>>488968787This
how will russia cope? BRICS. the petro-dollar is ending, americas end wasn't through an attack, it was brought about by greed. fitting, no?
>>488967977another wunderwaffle just dropped
>>488967977>Is this the end of the Russian Federation as we know it?Deus Vult, but not from ATACMS.As before, economics will be what gets them in the end.
>>488973740>BRICSMeanwhile, in reality, Russia can't even get Chinese banks to accept payments from them anymore.
>>488971943>>488973350the F-35 can't fly in the rain. that's less advanced than a kite. good luck fighting against s-27, su-35, mig-35, su-57, s-300, s-400, etc,etc.
>>488973740>BRICS
>>488967977hopefully I'm sick of their whining all the time
>>488973595>Majority of people are retarded.That is the point I am trying to make. I have no love for that double nigger Putin, but he is a perfect example. He used deception to get into power and stayed that way because he convinced the Russian people.>>488973610>Can't refute what I said>Name callingCope NAFO shill.
>>488973996that is only due to the loophole closing in routing via hong kong and the chinese worrying the yanks will try to freeze the money in hong kong. payments made russia --> china direct are fine.
>>488974109>the F-35 can't fly in the rain.Yes it can, and does constantly. If had some issues with getting certified to fly in thunderstorms, but that was taken care of years ago. Update your script, you glorified poo.
>>488967977ur thread got more replies than hohols have missiles
Probably with air defense plus the fact that we ran out of ATACMS and Storm Shadow a while back, OP. Ukraine will hit nothing targets like they've been doing with drones. In two months they will freak out and have a (Western) civil war.
>>488967977They only got 50 and they have already been using them, they were just prevented from using them beyond a particular range.
>>488974623what is the allowed range now?
>>488974565they can literaly fire all of the missiles they got directly at moscow and nothing is gonna change
>>488974427>That is the point I am trying to make.They're so retarded they don't even know what national debt is. I've literally never heard one person IRL talk about changing their lives because of the national debt, nor do they even bring it up. You live online, Ramsuk Dikshit, and you suck at your shilling duties, sar.
>Fire the Attackems!Man clown world is okay sometimes.
>>488974667>allowedlmaooo L
>>488974109I had to ask AI to figure out what the fuck you're even talking about.>>488967977So here's how dishonest these Russian fucks are (for reference):>the F-35 can't fly in the rain.Translation: There was a short period early in deployment where the plane was barred from flying through thunderstorms over concerns for what would happen with lightning strikes.And then it was found to be no big deal and the restriction was ended.Ivan, why don't you just try to BE LESS SHIT rather than lying about goddamn everything?>>488974448>and the chinese worrying the yanks will try to freeze the moneySo what you're saying is that the Chinese are shafting Russia over fear of upsetting the US?And these are the people who are going to help you overthrow the dollar?Reminder that the war was lost when you retreated from Kiev.Everything since has been cope and deadly stubbornness.
>>488972347Doug Dimmadrone?
>>488974667300km
>>488971462Even if this is true the US is still directly bombarding Russian soil,even if it does little to no damage they should still do somenthing about it
>>488967977I just learned that apparently only 3700 ACKACKMS missiles have been built in total, and it has been out of production since 2007.Very difficult to say how many have been used in the intervening 40 years, either in combat or training, but there may well be less than 1000 remaining, considering the US Army introduced its successor last year.I just found this interesting. May not be enough to win any wars.
>>488967977>Der latest greatest wünderwaffen that will turn de tide of de war, for sure, this timeThe US/NATO proxy regime>rt.comfired six long-range ballistic missiles identified as ATACMS early on Tuesday morning. Five of them were intercepted with S-400 and Pantsir air defense systems, while another was damaged and hit the ground at a Russian military site in Bryansk Region, causing a fire that was quickly dealt with. The Russian military claimed that no damage was caused by the incident.
>>488974565>Probably with air defenseYou mean the ADS that have failed to stop them thus far? I don't have much confidence in them, honestly.>plus the fact that we ran out of ATACMSNo, we didn't, we have thousands of them in reserve.
>>488971505sure thing retard
>>488975141>directlyno.
>>488968787This pretty much guarantees that Russia needs to take Ukraine to the river for security reasons.
>>488974516no need to update it. the f-35 can not fly in the rain. lockheed hasn't delivered technology refresh-3 o that hasn't been implemented. so apart from not being able to fight in the rain, it means they can't even use certain weapons among other things. so maybe you should update your script, no?
>>488974839>I had to ask AIi bet you did.>the F-35 can't fly in the rain.it still isn't cleared to fly in the rain, it still awaiting software updates to help it fire weapons. firing weapons and flying in the rain are very important.>So what you're saying is that the Chinese are shafting Russiathey aren't shafting anyone. better to have direct transfers instead of allowing america to steal more russian money, no?
>>488967977The reluctance by Russia in the past to sufficiently retaliate against NATO’s incremental escalations has been presented as evidence for the false conclusion that Russia does not dare to respond. There is no doubt that Russia’s restraints have emboldened NATO. President Biden once argued that sending F-16s would result in a Third World War, such warnings now are denounced as “Russian propaganda”. Russia’s failure to respond when the US crossed that line meant that the US could argue it did not amount to a direct attack. The rules of proxy war subsequently changed.Russia’s dilemma over the past three years has been to either respond at the risk of triggering a Third World War, or to gradually abandon its deterrent and embolden the US. With every NATO escalation, Russia is facing an ever-higher price for its restraints. Russia has been under pressure to set a final red line, and NATO attacking Russia directly is simply too dangerous to go unanswered.How will Russia respond? There are several more steps on the escalatory ladder before pushing the nuclear button. Russia can intensify strikes on Ukrainian political targets and infrastructure, introduce North Korean troops that were likely intended as a deterrent for a situation like this, strike NATO assets in the Black Sea and logistic centres in Poland or Romania, destroy satellites used for the attacks on Russia, or attack US/NATO military assets in other parts of the world under the guise of enabling other countries to defend themselves. Russia’s response will also depend on how these missiles are used. The New York Times suggested that the use of these missiles would be limited and primarily used to assist Ukraine with the occupation of Kursk, which also makes the US an even more involved participant in the occupation of Russian territory.
>>488975691Yet, Russia must respond forcefully to any breach of its red lines to counter NATO’s incrementalism / salami tactics that aim to chop away at Russia’s deterrent. The purpose of such incrementalism is to avoid an excessive response from Russia. The US will predictably impose restrictions on how these weapons can be used as it engages in direct attacks on Russia, but gradually these restrictions will be removed.The extent of Russia’s response will depend on the extent to which these weapons are effective. The war is evidently being won by Russia, which is why Moscow is cautious about any escalations as it only needs time. However, if these weapons would actually turn the tide of the war, then Russia would consider itself compelled to launch a powerful attack on NATO as Russia considers this to be a war for its survival. NATO should therefore hope that these weapons are not effective, which undermines the reasoning for using them at all.
>>488975672>it still isn't cleared to fly in the rainYeah, now you're just lying like you Russian filth always do.That was serious advice btw.Your ENTIRE COUNTRY would be something to actually be proud of if you all just stopped lying about your problems.Its a disgusting, subhuman cope.
>>488967977>Is this the end of the Russian Federation as we know it?If it were, thats specifically their documented reason to LAUNCH NUKES.Putin in fact just made policy softer, lowering the threshold for using nuclear weapons>The revised nuclear doctrine declares that a conventional attack on Russia by any nation that is supported by a nuclear power will be considered a joint attack on his country.LFG. Nuke time bois.
>>488975886>russian filthread it for yourself on https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2024/10/f-35-tech-problems-protracted-negotiations-hit-lockheed-finances/400455/also, we don't need to lie. my country wins wars, yours never has. stay mad.
>>488975886Seethe and copeCope and seethe
>>488975464>no need to update it.There's a major need to update it, even Sputnik reported it>the f-35 can not fly in the rain.It could always fly in rain. It was thunderstorms, my inbred shit colored shill fren, and even then it was only the F-35A. The F-35B and C models were never restricted.>The F-35 Joint Program Office confirmed in an email that the 2020 standoff restriction placed on the aircraft, officially called the Lightning II, was lifted on March 19.>F-35Bs and Cs were not affected by the lightning problem and did not have their flying restricted.>The JPO said the fix included “a more robust” design for the fighters’ OBIGGS hardware, as well as updates to its software. The modification was tested both in the lab and in flight. It credited government and industry engineers for finding a solution to the lightning restriction problem.https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/04/02/f-35a-lightning-cleared-to-fly-in-lightning-for-first-time-in-4-years/>lockheed hasn't delivered technology refresh-3 o that hasn't been implemented.It had nothing to do with TR3, you inbred brainlet shitskin. Furthermore, TR-3 has been getting delivered since July.>The aerospace prime began deliveries of the first TR-3 configured F-35s on 19 July 2024.https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/f-35-tr-3-configuration-delivery-is-back-on-track-after-delays/
>>488975672>it still isn't cleared to fly in the rain,Yes it is. >>488976797>it still awaiting software updates to help it fire weapons.No, it's not.
The reluctance by Russia in the past to sufficiently retaliate against NATO’s incremental escalations has been presented as evidence for the false conclusion that Russia does not dare to respond. There is no doubt that Russia’s restraints have emboldened NATO. President Biden once argued that sending F-16s would result in a Third World War, such warnings now are denounced as “Russian propaganda”. Russia’s failure to respond when the US crossed that line meant that the US could argue it did not amount to a direct attack. The rules of proxy war subsequently changed.Russia’s dilemma over the past three years has been to either respond at the risk of triggering a Third World War, or to gradually abandon its deterrent and embolden the US. With every NATO escalation, Russia is facing an ever-higher price for its restraints. Russia has been under pressure to set a final red line, and NATO attacking Russia directly is simply too dangerous to go unanswered.How will Russia respond? There are several more steps on the escalatory ladder before pushing the nuclear button. Russia can intensify strikes on Ukrainian political targets and infrastructure, introduce North Korean troops that were likely intended as a deterrent for a situation like this, strike NATO assets in the Black Sea and logistic centres in Poland or Romania, destroy satellites used for the attacks on Russia, or attack US/NATO military assets in other parts of the world under the guise of enabling other countries to defend themselves.
Why is the USA still using V2 rockets? I thought they were 50 years ahead of everyone.
>>488967977>how can Russia hope to cope with this?They aren't anti-aircraft, so Russia can just use their control of the air over Ukraine to destroy the political origins of the decision within Ukraine. Repeat that a few times and maybe the exchange won't seem like such a good deal very quickly.
>>488976977Russia’s response will also depend on how these missiles are used. The New York Times suggested that the use of these missiles would be limited and primarily used to assist Ukraine with the occupation of Kursk, which also makes the US an even more involved participant in the occupation of Russian territory. Yet, Russia must respond forcefully to any breach of its red lines to counter NATO’s incrementalism / salami tactics that aim to chop away at Russia’s deterrent. The purpose of such incrementalism is to avoid an excessive response from Russia. The US will predictably impose restrictions on how these weapons can be used as it engages in direct attacks on Russia, but gradually these restrictions will be removed.
The war has already been lost, and Washington previously admitted that these long-range missiles would not be a game changer. There are two reasons for escalating the war at this point, to further bleed Russia and to sabotage Trump’s objective to end the war.There is overwhelming evidence that the overarching objective for sabotaging all paths to peace and fighting the proxy war in Ukraine has been to weaken Russia as a strategic rival. Even Zelensky recognised in March 2022 that some Western states wanted to use Ukraine as a proxy against Russia: “There are those in the West who don't mind a long war because it would mean exhausting Russia, even if this means the demise of Ukraine and comes at the cost of Ukrainian lives”.[1] Both the Israeli and the Turkish mediators confirmed that the US and UK sabotaged the Istanbul peace agreement to fight Russia with Ukrainians, while interviews with top American and British diplomats revealed that the weakening of Russia and regime change in Moscow was the only acceptable outcome.[2]The timing of Washington’s decision is also suspicious and appears to aim at sabotaging Trump’s massive mandate to end the proxy war. By comparison, Obama similarly threw a wrench into US-Russia relations in late 2016 as he was handing the White House over to Trump. The anti-Russian sanctions and expulsion of Russian diplomats were intended to sabotage Trump’s promise to get along with Russia. Biden appears to follow the same playbook by risking a Third World War to prevent peace from breaking out in Ukraine. Biden was too cognitively impaired to run for re-election, yet he is supposedly mentally fit to attack Russia as he prepares to leave the White House.
>>488968299and america can't keep up with the production, imagine
>>488967977All he's gotta do is wait 2 months. Pedophile gets tossed out, on his ass, Trump takes over, cuts the free money to zelensky and likely shutters the bioweapons labs.
>>488976991There's really not too much you'd need to change over a V2.But ACKACKMS is a solid fuel rocket, which is even more primitive technology, just with guide fins bolted on and a GPS locator.
>>488976797>usual nonsense usa usa usa response.the f-35 can't fly in rain, can't fire weapons. it's a $100,000,000 a pop (the entire program costing $2trillion or $2,000,000,000,000!) flying demonstration of american waste. oh for anyone reading, the OBIGGS system they talking about is kind of important as if lightning hits an f-35 is instantly blows up. 2 seat mom and pop tiny planes can take lightning hits no problem.
>>488977343that's not at all guaranteed. from what i read he wants to freeze the war which is unacceptable to Russia. for all we know after Trump takes office the war might escalate even further.
>>488975426yes.they are using US weapons,ammunition,logistics,intelligence,and need NATO personnel to operate themJust because a holol presses the red button dosen't mean the rest isn't true
>>488977395and the V2s have a longer range than the atacms lol 200 miles vs 190 miles. They can't even improve on 1950s tech
>>488976970no it isn't.>No, it's not.yes it is. without the update it can not fire air-to-air missiles or drop certain bombs. a mig-29 is from 1977 and would shit all over an f-35.
>>488975691>>488975739as i said,even if they are not very effective Russia can't simply let NATO attack it's territory like this,doing so would be a big sign of weakness
>>488970104>There's a difference between systems designed during the Cold War that are continuously upgraded to modern tech, and ATACMS literally produced in the 90s that never get upgradedbut it did get upgraded, the first production has half the range
>there’s just some bot spamming under a proxylmao scared
>>488972347Of printed money. You can't run forever burgers
>>488977608Solid fuel missiles of this sort weight about a ton for each 150km reach they have, so in the end it's just a matter of making it bigger.
>>488977743yeah i agree its too much for them to turn the other cheek. from what i gathered listening to Putin he said that Russian response will be a "mirror"... meaning he will are the Houthis with Russian anti ship missiles. most likely the Bastion. today i saw a piece of news on twitter that the US withdrew its aircraft carrier away from Yemen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxaTgn9kKvU
Dems are trying to shift blame onto Ukraine for this loss, I wonder if they will say it out loud
>>488968583Holy kek
>>488977884redditards don't understand blood and iron wins conflicts, not monopoly money, which is why they have no offswitch for this conflict since one of their biggest illusions, in an undefeatable military industry would be crippled, doubly so since their jewish masters have been running propaganda 24/7 365.
>>488977965but then you need a bigger truck
>>488978055so do you blieve that will happen?i'd say the most likely outcome is that they're gonna begin heavily striking civilian centers and energy infraestructure in Ukraine
https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/the-us-approves-long-range-missile
>>488977767>but it did get upgraded,No, it didn't. Block II was to be the upgrade, but never got funded into service. Do more research than a 2 second jewgle search to click on wiki.>the first production has half the rangeHey, genius, do you figure that's because they're two difference payloads, and the longer range is because its warhead is a third the weight of the OG bomblet warhead? No, couldn't be...
>>488976991The Soviets had the R-1 which was neat copy of the V2 then they had the R-2 which was an improvement over the R-1.
Surely putler don't have anything to deal with this
>>488978362if it happens im not sure what's gonna be the point if the US simply withdrew from around Yemen. it makes no sense for russia to just kill Ukrainian civilians. the US doesn't give a rats ass about those and it will only be used as propaganda fuel for the western media.about the eclectic grid of Ukraine its possible they will go for that but then again its not even Ukraine that is attacking them anymore but the US from the territory of Ukraine
>>488975886What an delusional christnigger you are...
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-unstoppable-hypersonic-missiles-had-another-bad-night-ukraine-says-2024-11
Not only are you retards missing the fact that Putin won't do shit, but the fact that the US justified this with the fact that Russia is using North Korean soldiers on the front lines to plug gaps.Notice how Russia didn't deny it and just trotted out the nuke card again. They know the US knows and has provable intelligence, so they couldn't contradict it.
>>488978966Who cares ? what really matter is that Russia is still winning and if they win in the end what will be for the kikes ?
>>488967977I mean they figured out how to reduce the ATACMS accuracy with their EW equipment. This announcement would have made tremendous difference if done last year.
>>488967977>Is this the end of the Russian Federation as we know it?one can dream but sadly, no
>>488968077Of course. Stay the course. Trust the plan.
>>488979103Yeah sure jungle monkeyWill you eat your shit on camera when they don't?
>>488977312I mean, they are for Ukraine and Euro customers, but the ATACMS got replaced by PrSM, so no need to produce it. Nobody gives a shit about 155mm artillery shells as it's not 1918, and the US can into airpower and missile artillery.>>488977426>the f-35 can't fly in rain, can't fire weapons.So, you're just going to be a low IQ parrot and continue repeating your given talking points because I BTFO you? Typical inbred shitskin MO.>it's a $100,000,000 a popLot 15-17 F-35A's are $82.5 million per unit fly-away cost.>(the entire program costing $2trillion or $2,000,000,000,000!)Yeah, until 2080, with every little cost associated with the F-35 program include - assuming 2.5% inflation annually, too. It's a bullshit figure meant to scaremonger, mostly paid for by Boeing through brides and lobbying. The F-16 and F-15 programs cost $4 trillion+ if you calculate it the same way they did the F-35 program.>>488977618>without the update it can not fire air-to-air missiles or drop certain bombs.What missiles and what bombs?>a mig-29 is from 1977 and would shit all over an f-35.It would run out of gas trying to find an F-35. Get real.
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>>488979440imagine this man giving mighty manly Putin 1000 days of trouble lol
>>488968787>poor russia dindu nuffin monke only wants peace why did Ukraine attack usWhy are ziggers so delusional?
I hope Ukraine fucks around, cause they'll be out of missiles after 3 minutes and Russia will make Irans bombing of Israel look like childs play in return
>>488979150>I mean they figured out how to reduce the ATACMS accuracy with their EW equipment.No they didn't. The flight time with the INS is too short for enough drift to occur to hurt the accuracy of the ATACMS ring laser gyro. You idiots are literally retarded and don't know shit about what you vomit all over /pol/.>Ring laser gyros are much more accurate than mechanical gyroscopes once used for navigation. They typically “drift” about 0.0035 degrees per hour, which equates to about a mile of drift per hour of flight.https://aerospace.honeywell.com/us/en/about-us/blogs/rlg-half-millionThat was for the Honeywell 1320, the ATACMS uses the 1328.
>>488975691Nobody cares about the New York Times.Russia has no restraints.They bomb Ukraine freely.Russia not ‘restraining’ themselves from committing suicide by cop with nato.KYS.
>>488979440The resemblance is striking!
>>488967977>Is this the end of the Russian Federation as we know it?
>>488980186Russia talks big about "multipolarity" okay, so let Chechnya, Dagestan, Tuva, Altai, Bashkortostan, Buryatia, Chuvashia, Ingushetia, Kalmykia, Karelia, Komi, Yakutia, Tatarstan, Udmurt and Khanty-Mansy become independent states>wait, no not THAT kind of multipolarity, we just want to bring the West down!just like that jewish woman talking how Europe needs to accept immigrants but Israel is too small and would lose its identity if it did that hypocrites all the way down
>>488977179>to sabotage Trump’s objective to end the wartrue
>>488978208That is true. It wouldn't fit in the pod like the good wagierocket it is.
>>488967977It just an overgrown v2 with better guidance, holy shit, all the fucking heaving and fuckin ho-ing over just another kind of artillery. Calm your tits.
>>488976977>introduce North Korean troopsit's a cia/cipso psyop to invite/cover south korean f16 pilots and to justify the use of long-range on Russia
Get a real battlefield missle, niggers
>>488979440Epic. Saved.
>>4889679772 more wunderwaffes
>>488967977>Attack 'ems Missileskek
>>488981136Cope. Stop your Nork troops from gooning and get them to the front of the meat wave. Besides, it's payback for Soviet and Chinese troops operating Soviet SAM systems in Vietnam, and flying MiGs in Korea and Vietnam. Don't want it done to you? You shouldn't have done it to the US. We have long memories, and never forgive. Except for if kikes are the ones attacking us, obviously.
>>488981134it's all about range and speed>just another kind of artillery. Calm your tits.but when anyone mentions Iskanders you moskal shills cream your pants about superior Russian hypersonic technology
>>488981221How about an air launched Pershing I from the belly of a B-52?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc23HsceTOI
>>488981545post more cipso videos, jose
>>488967977I bet the blind cunts drop a few into poland and the trans- nistra
>>488968077Who cares if it works - it kills Russians!
>>488967977Cope with what, NATO dropping the mask of le proxy war and making the war official? About time, lmao, after natoniggers (not just mercs, but spec ops, technicians, CIA operatives, etc) fighting and dying in Jewkra for 3 years.Literally nothing has changed and those crying about WW3 are legit retarded. All NATO has is too shit, to expensive and too few to make a difference, even if they had missiles in adequate numbers (they don't).Maybe RuAF will blow a couple more military plants (in addition to the ones in Germany and Britain), or begin destroying internet cables in the Atlantic, or provide missiles to the Houthis to sink some more mutt and Anglo ships, and that will be it. You don't need anything flashy when the war is de facto won.>>488968299Anything mutt-produced that is capable of moving and doesn't cost like a golden mountain dates back to the Cold War.It's nobody's fault that already inferior mutt MIC has degraded even more since then. To the point they are incapable of producing a serial hypersonic missile when even norks have them.
>>488982006>cipsoA what, now? The fuck is a cipso?>joseNot a dysgenic wetback leech. I'm literally an Aryan, you memeflaggot ashamed of your third world shithole and shit colored skin. kek.
>>488977102what movie is your picrel from fren?
>>488968787>Zelensky keeps fucking around and keeps finding out.I unironically want that little faggot kike's head. He's gotten too damn big for his tiny britches and I'm sick of it.
>>488982965>Anything mutt-produced that is capable of moving and doesn't cost like a golden mountain dates back to the Cold War.No it doesn't. Besides, we overmatched military equipment compared to the rest world so bad during the Cold War, we've only had to upgrade them to be current since. What platforms are you talking about, specifically, though, Ivan Magomedov?>It's nobody's fault that already inferior mutt MIC has degraded even more since then. To the point they are incapable of producing a serial hypersonic missile when even norks have them.The US had treaties it had to abide by, that the USSR broke and NK/China never agreed to.Furthermore, what is the advantage of a shitty BM that is hypersonic for 10 seconds after burn-out, and is only supersonic during it's most important and critical phase of flight (terminal phase) over a stealthy subsonic terrain hugging CM, or fighter/bomber? Moreover, what is NK's kill chain for said hypersonic missiles? What good is the extra speed when it takes you two days to find, fix, target, and execute a launch like it does Russia?Hypersonic missiles are low yield relative to size due to solid propellant energy constraints, need state-of-the-art high temp materials because of the heat influx/, and dynamic pressures that act upon the RV in its flight regime, need a robust, accurate, guidance section that can maneuver independently on its flight path (most of these hypersonic missiles from NK, Russia, China can only maneuver with preloaded way-points, with only 3-4 way-points capacity because their guidance sections are shit), and react fast enough to stabilize the RV to give it the accuracy the US would want (which would include high-speed actuators for guidance surfaces). Then you need the support systems in the kill chain to take advantage of this speed, maneuverability, etc. All of this leads to extremely expensive missiles that don't offer any real world advantages over what is already fielded.
>>488977179>There is overwhelming evidence that the overarching objective for sabotaging all paths to peace and fighting the proxy war in Ukraine has been to weaken Russia as a strategic rivalSo its just a humiliation war? Damn, Kike propaganda is very effective, it had me convinced this was an actual gun fight. Still want Zalinsky's tiny head though.
>>488984324It's from The Road, 2009.>>488985118The US holds all records for hypersonic flight duration, and speeds for scramjets. And is fielding the LRHW, C-HGB, HACM/HAWC soon.Air breathing hypersonic:>HyFly Mach 6 Scramjet Missile TestLink: https://thefutureofthings.com/5667-hyfly-mach-6-scramjet-missile-test/>HIFIRE/HyCAUSE Scramjet Mach-8+ success with Australia/USA collaboration 2017Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKipc5LpCUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh1yk86E9kM>Advancing Hypersonics –Aerojet Rocketdyne’s Scramjet Engine Makes Hypersonics HistoryLink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJyBf8x83Q>X-43Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDE6rANOkgEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=168p5BK9V08https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzadlK1-3Is>X-51https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV8AfgbGh5Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIbW8-Ow50IHVGs:>1968: BGRV was launched on 2/26/1968, from Vandenberg AFB by an Atlas F to Wake Island in the Pacific, collecting data that proved valuable in developing later MaRVs.Link: https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/B/BGRV.html>Hypersonic missile successfully hits Ronald ReaganMACH8 Link: https://www.theregister.com/Print/2011/11/18/hypersonic_weapon_pacific_test/>11/2011, AHW was launched from the Pacific Missile Range Facility in Kauai, Hawaii, to the Reagan Test Site on the Marshall Islands. The glide vehicle successfully hit the target, which is located about 3,700km away from the launch site.Link: https://www.army-technology.com/projects/advanced-hypersonic-weapon-ahw/>Department of Defense Tests HGB 3/2020Link: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2119458/department-of-defense-tests-hypersonic-glide-body/Short vid: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35369/army-shows-first-ever-footage-of-new-hypersonic-missile-in-flight-and-impacting>HTV-2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVFNLdTuN-s
>>488968787> Zelensky keeps fucking around and keeps finding out.No he keeps pissing on russia and russia does nothing. They should have already nuked kiev
>>488975429thisit belongs to russia anyways. take the little chunk on the west and let the balkans fight over it
>>488977567the world works on kindergarten logic
>>488979369How many dogfights was the fart-35 been in? How fast is it? How long can it stay in the sky again??? This piece of shit won't do shit against any Russian fighter
>>488987364>How many dogfights was the fart-35 been in?In combat? None, though it participates in Red Flag, Green Flag, and various exercises yearly that put it up against the combat proven F-15, F-16, and F/A-18, and it destroys them. It fought a clean F-16 in a dogfight while carrying a 500lb bomb and enough fuel to get to the bomb range and back, and still destroyed it. It's actually a great dog fighter - only second to the F-22.>How fast is it?Mach 1.6 with a combat load-out and 50% fuel. Better than any fighter in service besides the F-22, actually.>How long can it stay in the sky again???It has a combat radius of 760 nautical miles while carrying an Air-to-air load-out. Much further than any fighter in service, including the F-22. Any more questions, Rapejeet Diksuk?>This piece of shit won't do shit against any Russian fighterHow many dogfights has the SU-27 been in? How fast is it with a combat load-out and 50% fuel? What is its combat radius?How many dogfights has the SU-30 been in? How fast is it with a combat load-out and 50% fuel? What is its combat radius?How many dogfights has the SU-35 been in? How fast is it with a combat load-out and 50% fuel? What is its combat radius?How many dogfights has the MiG-29 been in? How fast is it with a combat load-out and 50% fuel? What is its combat radius?Actual answer the questions, please. I did, even though you write like a mentally retarded teenage poo.
>>488988197Speed profile proof.
>>488988197>>488988241Dogfighting ability
>>488982965Ukraine sunk your fucking navy and like the seething cunts you actually are you don't want to give them credit. They're better soldiers than you are and they're FAR better engineers. The fact that they are destroying what they built for you isn't lost on us either. Your pinnacle technological achievement are nuclear powered ice breakers. Ukraine's was the Russian fleet they have sunk.Ukraine has proven Russian naval missile doctrine. You don't have parity with France and Britain let alone Japan and Australia.
>>488988287And some data on actual combat speed of fighters. Going mach 2 is a meme, takes 10 minutes to get to, burns all of your fuel - which means as soon as you get to mach 2, you have to turn around to refuel or return to base, and makes you light up like a Christmas tree to IR sensors so you get detected at long range. Though, that doesn't really matter because Russian planes have the RCS of a barn door, so it's not like long range IR detection is really of concern. kek.
>>488972206That is 1 small suburban sydney house
>>488988908glow harder, shitskin
>>488988287Your source is from magazine? I assure you the fart-35 will never take down another plane, it will never take down any Russian fighters or infrastructure at that. Soon we will use Ai to easily detect it hundreds of miles away and it will lose its only proclaimed good selling point.
>>488968707Two flower.
>>488968077with all the russkie vpn seething here for the last two days...it actually might
>>488989459Literally an Aryan. Would you like to compare DNA, timestamped hand pics, and eye color, shitskin? Imagine being a shitskin and using it as an insult against others. lul. What a fucking self-hating, pathetic worm you are, faggot.>>488989466>Your source is from magazine?Yes, of an interview of an F-35A pilot and former F-16 pilot. What's your problem with it?>I assure you the fart-35 will never take down another plane,Probably, as Russia and China are too afraid to actually fight it in a hot war.>fart-35Are you 12? Seriously.>it will never take down any Russian fightersYeah, because they're too afraid to face it. They can't even destroy fucking Ukraine's Air Force and establish air dominance over Ukraine. Get the fuck out of here, Rapejeet.>or infrastructure at that.What infrastructure? Russia looks like it's been bombed for 80 years straight. What's the point of bombing infrastructure that is destroying itself?>Soon we will use Ai to easily detect it hundreds of miles away and it will lose its only proclaimed good selling point.Yeah, and I'm Krishna....
>>488990231shitskinand literally a glownigger
>>488990391>>488982972I've already posted my DNA. You're so ashamed of your third world shithole you have to hide your flag, and so ashamed of your shit colored skin you use it as an insult. Cope and seethe you inbred shit colored literal mutant mutt.
>>488990391>>488990597Look at my beautiful blue Aryan eye, too. Just to make you seethe, and to remind you that you are a shit colored mutant mutt that will never be human.
>>488990666And my Steppe DNA. Check my devil digits too.
>>488985118>we overmatched military equipment compared to the rest world so bad during the Cold War, we've only had to upgrade them to be current sinceIn the comic books and Hollywood agitprop - indeed, there is no denying it. But I'm talking about the reality.>What platforms are you talking about, specificallyPretty much everything produced in the 90s and later, there was a nice thread by Armchair Warlord covering this:https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1667007971363262464.htmlBut to be honest, the entire history of the mutt MIC is a non-stop conveyor of failures and humiliation, it just got much worse after the Cold War for the obvious reason.>The US had treaties it had to abide by, that the USSR broke and NK/China never agreed toThat's the saddest cope you could come up with, Shartinez. Judeo-America is a world champion of wiping their ass with international law, breaking both agreements and informal promises, never in history this has stopped them.>delirious mumbling and "grapes were sour anyway" cope for the 52045 timeThe "advantage" is nullifying 90% of the mutt fleet in the Pacific (including the carriers) in a matter of minutes, that mutts (your newly appointed MoD for example) literally admit. Every war game against China held by the Pentagon, mutts lose in a crushing way. One of the reasons they are so terrified of the possible *conventional* Taiwan conflict, by the way, and trying to split the possible Russia and China alliance with a shitty and obvious good/bad cop play.Funny that the JewSA military prefers not to listen to your cope and still try to develop a functioning serial product, but with the immense corruption in the mutt MIC it's not an easy task, especially in the field where Russian and Chinese MIC are 10 years ahead.>>488986168I never said prototypes don't exist, silly mutt. What in the word "serial" you cannon comprehend?
>>488990231Why should I or anyone take pilots words for granted? You think they can say anything other than state approved propaganda? If they really had any tangible use out of the fart-35 they would of already published it and bragged about it. Stealth planes are already stupid idea that aged terribly, other tech like drones and electronic warfare already proved several times superior. America will never invest in that cause they say it as something below them and it will magically not work on them at all.
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>>488988764>schizophrenic #924557 calling the combined NATO alliance "Ukraine"There is noting shameful in admitting that your crumbling Judeo-American empire has lost - just like they lost against Taliban or the Yemeni towelheads, with Judeo-American and Anglo ships being hit and sunk on a weekly basis.>sunk your fucking navyYour meds, brownoid, take them.
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>>488967977they just shot down 6 out of 6
>>488974109>the F-35 can't fly in the rain.Yes it can doofus, the guy who ejected in heavy weather recently and it kept flying is proof it flies even without a pilot in the rain. The whole point of that aircraft is to take off from highway conditions and blap your rust buckets from 1979 from 20km away. Btw the russian aircraft wont even have been cleared by the engineers in those weather conditions to takeoff and will be sitting in the hangar as 10 JDAMs slam into the roof. God we should have never given them to israel
>>488967977the russians should take out the satellite they use for atacms
remember that? did you go out and hold hands with the neighbours and sing kumbaya?I didn't
>>488967977A few days ago I saw an anon predict Putin would do nothing and then the narrative would shift to ATACMS meaning nothing
>>488973740Brazil will never be red, we love burgers, fries, big fat tits in american-produced porn, vidya and computers, all hail the USA!!!
>>488995112Easy to predict because that happens every single time. Vatniks are really fucking stupid since they fall for it every time too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWBQZYsZU80
>>488967977Russia will cope by sending hypersonic missiles to Iranian proxies for use on Israel and ships in the Red Sea. If 5 missiles from Yemen hit Israel at once America won't give a shit about Ukraine anymore.
>>488967977Maybe they will sell the weapons to Iran like they did the f16’s.
>>488967977Less range than dronesWhy is this big news?
>>488977426Don't forget it got targeted over Iraq when they try to attack Iran, so they just stopped the attack. Stealth is a meme.
>>488992176>In the comic books and Hollywood agitprop - indeed, there is no denying it. But I'm talking about the reality.Holy cope. Name one USSR system that overmatched the US during the Cold War - or even now.>Pretty much everything produced in the 90s and laterLike what, exactly? Argue for yourself instead of linking to literal retarded trash that doesn't even reinforce your argument.>there was a nice thread by Armchair Warlord covering this:>https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1667007971363262464.html>Armchair CopelordCome on, now. Be serious. If you would like to argue his points for him, I'd be more than glad to do it. But, I'm not going to argue against a literal failed pencil pushing admin that isn't here to defend himself.>But to be honest, the entire history of the mutt MIC is a non-stop conveyor of failures and humiliation, it just got much worse after the Cold War for the obvious reason.Stop projecting, you literal mutt.>That's the saddest cope you could come up with, Shartinez.So, the US didn't have treaties with the USSR and Russia?>Judeo-America is a world champion of wiping their ass with international lawWhat international laws? Name them, and explain how the US violated them.>breaking both agreements and informal promisesWhat agreements did the US break? What informal agreements? Name them, and explain how the US broke them.>delirious mumbling and "grapes were sour anyway" cope for the 52045 timeWhat the fuck does this even mean? Stop trying to talk in parables like some 17th century novelist. You're too stupid for it, and it doesn't make you seem intelligent nor mysterious.>The "advantage" is nullifying 90% of the mutt fleet in the Pacific (including the carriers) in a matter of minutes, that mutts (your newly appointed MoD for example) literally admit.Then why is China scared shitless to invade Ukraine? Why do our carriers travel freely through the SCS and all the chinsects do is seethe?
>>488995994>Every war game against China held by the Pentagon, mutts lose in a crushing way.You mean the ones where the Pentagon gives China future tech, all seeing instant ISR, and basically unlimited munitions? Those ones?>One of the reasons they are so terrified of the possible *conventional* Taiwan conflict, by the way, and trying to split the possible Russia and China alliance with a shitty and obvious good/bad cop play.Nobody gives two shits if you become Xi's bitch. What are you going to contribute to a fight in Taiwan? You can't even fucking fight your poor as neighbor on your border. Get fucking real.>Funny that the JewSA military prefers not to listen to your cope and still try to develop a functioning serial product, but with the immense corruption in the mutt MIC it's not an easy task, especially in the field where Russian and Chinese MIC are 10 years ahead.Stop projecting, Igor. Xi just had to purge the Rocket Force due to corruption TWICE in one year, and Russia is notorious for its corruption in the MIC. Stop the bullshit.>>488986168>I never said prototypes don't exist, silly mutt. What in the word "serial" you cannon comprehend?Prototypes? They're pre-production AUR test articles. That will go into serial production soon. Unlike Russia's they will actually work.
>>488967977If Russia can shoot at Ukraine from Russia it is notnfair to be crybabies about Ukraine shooting at Russia from Ukraine. Play nice children
>>488975429>This pretty much guarantees that Russia needs to take Ukraine to the river for security reasons.how?
>>488973818God is with Russia satanist
>>488996223Then why does it suck?
>>488992974>Why should I or anyone take pilots words for granted?So, just because he flies the F-35, he now isn't a credible source? kek. What the fuck kind of dalit logic is this?>You think they can say anything other than state approved propaganda?Yes, or you wouldn't hear anything but praise for the F-35 like it was the second coming of Krishna.>If they really had any tangible use out of the fart-35 they would of already published it and bragged about it.You mean, like that pilot is doing? Are you actually retarded? Seriously. I know you dalits have smaller brains than literal niggers, but, at least try. Come on, Rapejeet, you can do it!>Stealth planes are already stupid idea that aged terribly, other tech like drones and electronic warfare already proved several times superior.Please, explain in detail with sources and example why this is. What is it about "drones" that negates stealth? What is it about EW that negates stealth?>America will never invest in that cause they say it as something below them and it will magically not work on them at all.You do know the US has many, many, many EW platforms - including the F-35, right? You are actually retarded, aren't you? The US has been using UAVs since the fucking 60s. No other country on earth has more experience, nor technological know-how than the US military.
