Should the childless be allowed to vote? Why should the future of society be determined by those who haven't invested into it?
>>488971297Should people with children pay more in taxes considering their children use infrastructure and public schools?
>>488971297There is no point to having a child in the modern world. There is no community, no homogeny, and all the media meant for children to consume is an attack on their psyche meant to turn them gay.
>>488971297>Should the childless be allowed to vote?Why should I be denied a vote because my female contemporaries are fecking shite?
>>488971297There are many people who survived not having children. Even the pure cope of becoming a mentor is an option if you feel like you must impart your wisdom.
>>488971592And that was the end of it
>>488971297Childless men with no reliance on govt gibs should absolutely have a say.
>>488971297One vote, one household. Children not a prerequisite, on the grounds that couples intending to have children should have a say. But household means man and wife, not plumbers' orgy or lesbian boombox. No vote if your household can catch AIDS or feminism.
>>488971592Idk, should the childless pay for every fucking thing seeing as how they refused to put a human being back into the society they benefit from?
We should be taxing women for being boss babes and sleeping around.
>>488971297not providing future good goys. Ill take the hit and loneliness so they never have to wake up day after day to go to a job they hate.
>>488971297No. Only a man and woman who have done their civic duty and had at least 2 children should be allowed to vote. Those who have had 3 or more kids should have a bigger vote. Above replacement level birth rates are what we need. We shouldn't be interested in the opinions of frigid feminists, effeminate woke males, and LGBT degenerates.
>>488972573Don't pretend like you're somehow opposing the Jew by not having kids. The Jew seeks white genocide. If you're white and you're not having kids, then you're doing the bidden of Jews.
>>488973186>biddenShould be bidding. Typo.
>>488971592Nations should incentivize children. For a nation to survive its people must reproduce. Should you punish your body because your cells replenish and it costs you food? Or perhaps you would rather they don't replenish and you just die so you don't have to eat anymore.
>>488973079I agree with this even as a man who has never been in a relationship and still a virgin at 26.But single mothers should absolutely not be allowed to vote.And sadly even single dads but they're rare to begin with.
>>488973186no jews won in the mid 1860s. my dummy ancestors were just to too busy probably hating their jobs back then to notice. Good luck anon
>>488971592Not if we choose to homeschool
>>488971297You should start considering your life half-over as you approach the 25-30 range. Existential crises is a good propellant.
funny how they'll expect the kids of other people to pay for their healthcare and retirement as well when they're oldI suspect by that point they will simply refuse and all the old annoying childless freaks will die off in horrific fashion
>>488974524>You should start considering your life half-over as you approach the 25-30 rangeyou are a teenager
>>488971888The truth of this is what is actually sad.
>>488971297>only half overhe suspects people think it's over at 40?
>>488971297Voting is fake
>>488971297>Voting mattersRetard.
>>488971592>Should people with children pay more in taxesas compared to childless neets and antinatal redditors, they already do
>Half overAverage life span is 60 years.
As if people who have three or more kids have ANY claim to investing in the long-term. The childless are investing in the future at the expense of their own genetic success. A less overpopulated future would be a more technologically vitalized future with land and resources for a greater variety of activities across society.
>>488971888It really fucking is.
What is the worse sin? Being lonely or condeming a new life to the same path?
>>488971297Ya I will cry myself to sleep over having 60 more years to drink play golf and fuck big titty bitches Shane
>>488971297I agree, they shouldn’t. >>488971592Nope, you get to fund the future since you’re basically mooching
Women don't like me so I shouldn't have rights.
>>488971888>le doomer blackpill demoralization100% gay
>>488971297Especially when alot of those 40 year old guys start dating younger women. The only younger guys cougars get are tap and gaps.
>>488971888i agree mostly. unfortunately someone has to keep the white race alive and for those people who choose to have families, theyre doing the necessary work. imagine mankind dumbed down to a light brown race of violent, supersticious halfwits...this by the way is the goal of international Jewry. Only they will retain their roots and customs; the rest of the population will be mixed race, mass immigration, rootless slaves
>>488971297If spitting out babies means contributing to society you better go and apologize to all those nigger girl single mothers because by that metric they are patriots and achievers
>>488971297So shitskin women with 5+ babies run the government?That will not work.
>>488971297vote and democracy as a whole needs to go.
>>488971888I hate to say it but you're right. >it takes a villageIs the saying but most of us don't even have a hut
If I were a natalist, I'd be pissed off at bigots trying to argue for niggerized racial natalism. I don't care what race is breeing.
>>488971983This right here. I've considered op's position before, because it makes sense in a certain way, but i decided against the idea for reasons that you have made entirely clear.Such an idea would make women the arbiters of who gets to vote and they would only become worse with that much power in their hands.
>>488971592And how do they afford those children? Biggest reason for childlessness right now is money
>>488971297If life is half over at 40 then I did something wrong because they have epigenetic aging treatments so I'm not betting on having kids, nor am I expecting 40 to be the halfway point.
>>488972303You going to pay for my kid? Didn't think so. Shut the fuck up.
>>488973186>Don't pretend like you're somehow opposing the Jew by not providing them with the requisite amount of tax cattle and cannon fodderit's hard to tell honestly. If they somehow accomplish white genocide, it will be followed very shortly by the extermination of all jews so i see it as a win/win.
>>488971297wait till they hit their 60s and their health rapidly deteriorates and they realize there's no one to care for them.
>>488971888then do something about it instead of being a whiny faggot. build a strong community. make friends. GO OUTSIDE
>>488971983Because why should the nation's future be decided by people who don't care what happens to it after they die?
>>488973490>even single dadsMost single mothers are in today's world are single mothers by choiceThe same is not true for single fathers
>>488978777How is that a problem?
>>488978777>I'm gonna have kids so they can come wipe my old man ass when I start shitting myself your motivations are so noble
>>488971888Unchecked and wasted, people 2,000 years ago had it worse than you and got eaten by lions and shit and had no problem understanding the importance of passing on a lineage and struggling. Wow you're just a faggot!
>>488971297I'm already sad. Thanks Jews.
>>488979027>and had no problem understandingthey didn't understand shitthey were horny, so they fuckedand then things just happened and they rolled with them
>>488978620>implying Poor people have tons of kiss. It’s because middle class millennials need their funko pops and concert tickets.
>>488978777I hope I don't make it that long. Luckily, I don't think I will.
>>488971297This is very for true, for me at least. on the flip side at least I won't have to settle for some coal-burning white whore and have my child come out of a hole riddled with STD's
>>488971592I think before you punish people not having kids you have to punish the people creating the conditions, propaganda, and shipping out jobs to our enemies in BRICS. Burn the transgender books, if you will.
>>488979097>they didn't understand shit>they were horny, so they fuckedSo just like todayYou don't understand shit, either
>>488978777That's boomers right now by the way.
>>488979155You need to spend less time online, anon. It's really not that bad. Spending all day inside looking at shit on the computer that makes you angry is warping your perspective of the world.
>>488971297oh yeah, all those hot, thin, tattoo/piercing free, women who were just begging me to impregnate them, yup, turned them all down.
>>488978734 It you just described a lose/lose situation
>>488979542Maybe if you just do nothing long enough but stay hopeful, eventually life will just give you everything you want out of nowhere like one of those movies you grew up watching.
>>488971297>Should the childless be allowed to vote?Maybe?But single mothers should have -1 vote.Aslo, no gibs for niggers and single mother.
>>488971592Me, my children, my grandchildren and my great grandchildren will pay millions of times more in taxes than a childless you could ever hope to achieve.
>>488971297Yes, and we should let children vote. We can call it the 3/5 Compromise.
>>488971888The thing about community is YOU also need to be part of it.There’s no community because most people think like you do and do nothing to create one.
>>488979912Someone needs to kill that bitch. Unforgivable. It's not like she just lost her temper once and went too far, that was a sustained attack.
>>488980395Maybe he shouldn't have called her a nigger?Lol.Jews>Single mothers>Niggers are the main issues destroying Murica.
>>488979912she's gonna grow up and kill her one day
>>488980603he's*
>>488980603>she's gonna grow up and dance on a pole one day
>>488980658If it's a boy.. >Incel/gay 4 chan spammer.
>>488971592no you idiot, because children are the future of the culture and economy - you incentivize people to have kids, not the other way around. holy FUCK man.
>>488980374People try and some group comes along and says you can't.
>>488971297Millennials who get married have a 50% chance of getting divorced and end up in the same situation except significantly poorer.
>>488971297Trump and Elon are going to make anime girls real so I don't see why I should rush to marry some disgusting human woman.
>>488971297It's a whole new world "for the better" once you have kids.
>>488971297sure. blame white women for constantly sucking black dick and being sex slaves to the niggers they lust over so fucking much. thats why white men are always alone.
>>488971297>>488972303>>488973186>>488973079>>488975975>>488978256>>488978887>>488978934>>488979027>>488979987Fuck you niggers. I didn't choose to develop an autoimmune disease at age 23. I have graves disease and my immune system creates antibodies that attack my thyroid gland. and causes it to become hyperactive and destroys your heart, my heart rate was through the roof and my body was literally eating. I lost 30 pounds and all of my muscle in a matter of weeks until the meds stabilized my thyroid hormone levels. The only reason I'm alive right now is because of a pill I have to take every day that inhibits the synthesis of thyroid hormone. I will be dependent of pharmaceutical company for the rest of my life. I refuse to have kids because when the country collapses and industry shuts down I will die slowly and miserably. I will not be around to protect a woman and children. Also the disease can be genetic so I risk passing it to the child. On top of that I think women can sense that my genes are fucked because they don't look at me or treat me the same as they did before I was diagnosed.
>>488971297> single gay guy> no wife or kids> work a shit load of hours> take no gubmint bennyIf these fucks want my tax dollars, then I get to fucking vote.Simple as
>>488981109i live in the black hood.Young black guys are majority incels. I'd bet more than Indians.Also, there is an incest component as ghetto black women fuck ghetto niggas. Their kids then fuck other ghetto niggers. Since single mothers, they're fucking their half brother/sister.Lots of educated black women, but they will remain single as the black men are hood niggers.
>>488979027>got eaten by lionsthis never happened
>>488971297>You NEED children to fulfill your legacy goy!>Your children will grow up in a DEI wokefest dystopian nightmare and learn to despise you for bringing them into this flesh prison because you got tricked by oldheads spewing out 'muh legacy'Wanted to have kids, but with the way the worlds been and heading towards I'd rather just keep my kin in the void where they will remain safe. Go find your shekel slaves else where.
>>488981410>genetic failureOP and millions just don't understand how many men are born that for millions of reasons can't or shouldn't have children. I couldn't bear bringing a child into this world only to receive notice from medical staff shortly after or not long before birth that there was something chronically wrong.Sometimes the things you owe the world are not creating new problems to solve.
>>488981488The most hardcore natsoc guy I ever met was gay AF.>Be gay>Contribute to society>Keep your homo away from society, but especially kidsNobody gives AF.Hypersexual (openly socially inappropriate) gays are faggots and a tool of the state to Weimar the republic.
>>488981778God i wish this was real
>>488981778I have no sympathy for fags that die of aids or get their heads kicked in for diddling a kid.
>>488971297landowners and people with jobs should only be able to vote.
>>488971888absolutely zero fucking communitywe are all in social prisons
>>488971888Cool story, faggot. I’m gonna keep having and homeschooling white kids and no one can stop me.
>>488971592No, retard, because that infrastructure was built for the future generations, who will be expected to maintain it once they mature.>>488978620>rich people have like 1-2 kids or adopt>poor people are swimming in kids>"You need money to reproduce!!!"look we all get your point. the demoralization and demotivation is strong right now, and very intentionally so. but buying into that false mindset is also part of the plan to cuck you.you can have kids without being wealthy, you just can't be a hedonistic fuck burning through every last dollar the second you get it, and doing whatever stupid shit you want whenever you feel like.social media (and regular media) has really skyrocketed people's expectations of what kind of life they should (or deserve to be) living. it's not realistic, and at this point, clearly not feasible. coming back down to reality will open a lot of new and unexpected doors for a person.frankly, the biggest hurdle to kids is finding a partner who isn't grotesquely degenerate and an adult child themself.
>>488971592The opposite. Children will eventually contribute to the economy as will their children and so on. Childfree barren couples should pay more to make up for the state having to take care of them when they're old
They act like I was turning away hot women throwing themselves at me. No, I approached hundreds of women and got turned down like 99% of the time and the 1% that didn't turn me down immediately just sort of ghosted me gradually.You don't get to shame me for "not wanting a family." Tell the fucking women.
>>488971297>Should the childless be allowed to vote?No taxation without representation, anon. You don’t want them to vote, they don’t pay taxes. Simple as.
>>488971297Pretty sure if I coom in a bitch when I'm 65 she'll still get pregnant. This works great on women though.
>>488973296This. Children should be promoted and incentivized. Instead we have Malthusian propaganda (despite not being a population risk) plus immigrants. The argument that we need immigrants is flawed. Immigrants aren’t going to save a dying town in rural Ohio without any jobs, they’re going to worsen the situation. They don’t go there anyways, they go to cities that aren’t in desperate need to fill jobs where housing inventory is low. The jobs that do need to be filled are ones immigrants and zoomers don’t want to do and instead the immigrants live of hubs which are paid for by money that should be going to savings. That’s also why they say it’s good for the economy because they’re spending your savings into the economy for these immigrants.
>>488973186Jew.
>>488982019American gays seems to be faggots, while Euro gays seem to be guys that like a different kind of porn.>Personal experience.
>>488971297>make pussy the gatekeeper of democracyAre you fucking stupid?
>>488971297Regardless of whether it should be, it will be. Our parents decided to raise us this way and we're going to make it everybody's problem.
>>488978777>implying you'll have someone to care for you even if you have kidsYou're pretty sheltered, that's why it's important to have a 12 gauge ready and loaded so you can check out with some dignity when it's time
>>488982441>unironically believing we have a democracy AND thinking democracy is a good thingHOLY fucking NGMI
>>488979912My mother was like this until I finally grew big enough to fight back. I gave her one solid knockout crack to the jaw and she never hit me again.If I was there I would put that woman's head through the glass and fuck the consequences.
>>488971297>t.Shane Morris, 37
>>488981410Sure, you've got a good reason. Most of these faggots don't.
>>488982587I wanna roll that bitch up in a rug and beat it until piss blood comes out.
>>488982587This seemed to be a common occurrence in my life experience.>Woman acts up>Guy throws her across room>BS talk never happens againAmazing.Also, women are retarded children and should have the same rights are retarded children.
>>488982206if that happens i will cash in my retirement early and find a way to live off of disability at yours and your offsprings expense. fuck you nigger.
>>488982847What drugs was she on?
>>488983147nvm I looked it up>East Peoria Police officer Jeffrey Bieber told the court on Thursday that Melgoza admitted at the scene that she struck Prowant and Rosewicz. Bieber said she also had slurred speech, watery eyes, and a strong alcohol odor on her breath. Court records also indicate Melgoza said she was speeding about 10 miles over the posted limit.>An open bottle of Tito's vodka and cannabis were found in her vehicle. Court records say Melgoza admitted she'd had three vodka drinks before getting into her car. https://www.wcbu.org/local-news/2023-04-27/former-bradley-student-sentenced-to-14-years-in-prison-for-fatal-dui-that-killed-2seems like more than just weed and booze though, but maybe she just can't hold her drugs well
>>488983147estrogen
>>488982847What an evil vile cunt. She should be set on fire.
>>488971297>I need to dump all my time and money into a child to have something to doI almost feel sorry for npcs
>>488983688surely the next toy you buy for yourself will make you happy
>>488983688pic related
>>488971297>you must have kids or you will be le sad when you're 57shut the fuck up normie i could live to 500 without kids and i wouldn't run out of things to do
>>488979807I'm not jumping through the hoops just to for the chance to get slag-gash. Too much effort for not that much pay off.
>>488983864>slag-gashlol dude you've been completely demoralized by the shit you've been fed online
>>488982847Supposedly there is a behavioral phenomenon in captive elephants where when they are young they are tied or chained to a spike in the ground. The baby elephants are not strong enough to pull away from the stake, and this imprints upon them to the point where even when they are completely fully grown (and could yank a stake out of the ground or snap a rope or weak chain with ease) they still do not do so because they are conditioned to believe that they can't. I don't know if this is true or not, but there are a lot of pictures of fully grown captive elephants in asia and india that are tied to a stake in the ground that a human being could pull out, let alone a 10,000 pound animal.This situation is similar to that, where the mother assumes that the son will just take the abuse indefinitely because he was unable to protect himself or fight back as a small child, until one day the conditioning breaks, the elephant decides to snap the rope, and the son starts swinging.
>>488979027People 2000 years ago didn’t get gaslit into thinking they were women and told to mutilate themselves as a child as a medical procedure. This is fucked
>>488983764>toys don’t make me happy>therefore the solution is to be a slave to raising a child, that will definitely make me happy
>>488979027But did they have to live around blacks?
>>488979912Turn this place to rubble
>>488983916>the beautiful princess is out there bro>she's not going to be a fat ugly hag within 5 years after marrying her, I promise! yeah, uh huh. Never met a man in my life that said "boy I just love my wife! She's great! Love her now more than ever!"
>>488971888Boo fucking hoo, I live in as cucked a city as anywhere in the US and there are plenty of like-minded individuals all around me. You can build a network of a few close friends and create the life you want for your kids.
>>488971297>you can't vote because women are spiteful harpies who see any sub 8 male as a leper and treat him worse than garbage>we should make them the arbiters of who gets to voteYeah that's a great way to kill any support you could have gotten. Women already don't treat us like humans, so why would we work for that system for even fucking less?
>>488971297Millenials will end up retiring/living together in their 60s probably. I wouldn't worry about it too much, nothing we can do anyway.
>>488983764I bought a boat with my extra money and it's provided me with alot of enjoyment.
>>488984022>>488984149Maybe it's best if whiny, weak minded people like yourself go ahead. If hedonistic nihilism is the path you've chosen then go ahead. Worthless.
>>488971297>White people are made so they can't have children through the corruption of the their women and forced to pay to support all the diversities in America>Only the diversities are having children because it is being paid for by white tax payers plus they breed like rabbits anyway>White people no longer get a voice and only the diversities get to voteDoes this sound like it will have good outcomes to you 1 post OP?
>>488982319Based truthteller.. seen it with my own eyes.. the Jew wants broken homes not empty ones, they want slaves not air.
>>488984313>You've chosen to be happy? >pfft, what a whiny weak minded person you are>absolutely worthlessSo, how fat >IS< your wife, exactly?
>>488971297The only people who should be allowed to vote and engage in politics (or even discuss them at all) are men between the ages of 25 and 55, with at least 2 children, a job and a home they fully own. Everyone else is retarded and unfit for decision-making.
>>488979027people 2000 years ago didn't have women refusing their match to chase multimillionaires buying bottle service for dumb cunts.
>>488982847>BPD? Psychopath.. what perimeters created that?
>>488983916
>>488971297Nobody worth less than 200 million dollars should have a say in anything honestly.
>>488984725Not getting beat/told no at an early age.
>>488971297I'm in my 40s and everyone I know who has kids is miserable and stressed out cuz their kids don't follow rules and have no attention spans
>>488984802Well she’s gonna have to relearn shit in prison, should be pretty interesting, I imagine she’ll become some hardcore muff diver for some butch dyke with tattoos like subway station graffiti
>>488984313>>488984497>>488984478
>>488971297If the gears starts shifting to directly attack straight lonely men that are a product of a mismanaged society then don't be surprised when they go postal.
>>488972303>refused to put a human being back into the society they benefit from?How many people are "putting back" human beings who are 100% shit? Good thinking, dope; according to you every welfare queen pumping out niglets is contributing more than any childless person. Ever heard of Isaac Newton? Howard Hughes? Go to sleep idiot.
>>488971297Anyone with Non White children should have to give their vote to the nearest White family as non Whites give less to the economy than they take in benefits. It's only logical.
>>488982205>>488972303>>488979127>Middle class people living in a first world country want nice things>this is Le badFuck off to commiestan where the government can mandate your personal life.
>>488971297No they shouldn't. Also, we should remove women's right to vote.
>>488971592Sure, in exchange for your vote we can knock out school taxes, even though you will benefit all of your life from people who are educated and trained to care for you.
>>488971592The childless should pay more since they will never create more people to contribute to society.
>>488985015Every man seeks reason and validation in his life, some from others, others from themselves. It’s the simplest truth that resonates the furthest.
>>488971888How to you think you get that homogeny and community you hoser
>>488972234Why? You have no stake in the long term wellbeing of the country at all, your input can only be harmful to families.
>>488984022this but unironically
>>488978934your mistake is thinking they don't care. meanwhile niggers pop children without caring and vote for gibs.
Were in the middle of a massive recession/ world war And you mother fuckers want to bring children to be a debt slave for zog?? Wtf is wrong with you guys? Threads keeps reclying going around and around none stop
I will probably not be having children since I'm a permaneet at almost 30 now, I have social anxiety and don't leave the house to go anywhere. Thankfully when I'm at that age wheren children would be needed 60-80 Robots will be avaiable to do that, I'm already saving some of my neetbux to buy a robot maid in the future.
>>488985625>you should pay more because women are spiteful, back stabbing harpies who vehemently hate sub 8 malesYeah get fucked retard lmao
>>488971297based
>>488971297I’m in favor of a weighted system that takes into account things like whether or not you own property, or have children.>no property, no kids>no vote>no kids, own property>no property, have kids >you can vote, but it is counted at a rate of 1/3>own property, have kids>your vote counts as 1 full vote.You would need to register at 18, and anytime your living situation changes in a way that affects your voting power, you would update your status with your county office.Something along those lines.
>>488971297The person who wrote that tweet is retarded. My 40s have been the reward so far. I make bank, own everything I want, have no debt and work from my living room. I'm learning a musical instrument and closing in on 80 books read this year.None of it would be possible if I'd fallen into the kids trap. I've had many married friends who are getting divorced couch surfing over the years but never one person without kids.
>>488973079So what you're saying is that the FOAB newly minted Canadian couple have a right to vote while myself, an eighth generation land owning Canadian, should not vote because I've yet to have children? Guess what? I'll gladly surrender my right to vote if I become exempt from taxes!
