Russia has around 4000 nukes, the USA around 3700, Britain and France a few hundred each, China around 900 and North Korea around 50.So if MAD occurs and some 11,000 nuclear bombs fall on earth, what happens exactly?I have heard of nuclear winter. Is that like in Game of Thrones where winters can last 25 years with no letup? Will we have a 20 year winter all over the world?How will humans survive that anywhere on earth. The living would envy those who died immediately and painlessly at ground zero in the nuclear blasts.Will we have to fight pale spiders as big as hounds?
>>488975046Idk. I’d probably be dead before experiencing that (thankfully)
It's a fake concept, won't happen. Modern nukes are pretty clean and the US won't get nuked. They'll nuke London and suddenly, all wars will stop.
Stock up on iodine and go somewhere warm.
>>488975046>How will humans survive that anywhere on earthThey won't. No large creature will.
>>488975330Does this mean all the dubia roaches I breed in my house will live?
>>488975046>What exactly does nuclear winter entail?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE
>>488975378Possibly.
>>488975046An Ice Age, but worse because the snow is radioactive, the water is radioactive and theres nothing to eat except your family members. Human extinction is the most likely outcome. Hence why no one fears nukes, you’d have to be literally insane to use them. And if they are used there’s nothing you can do to stop them. So just carry on and treat it like any other extinction level event, like an asteroid hitting Earth: it could happen tomorrow but it won’t likely happen.
>>488975453I hope their super advanced descendants find my bones and name me something bad ass
>>488975046>what happens exactly?If you're lucky enough to live near a target site you wont need to worry about it.If you're determined to survive it, just hide in your fridge and you'll become an immortal ghoul.
>>488975046Nuclear winter isn't scientific, its not real, they made it all up. Radiation won't be that bad outside of blast areas. The real problems would come from all the major cities turning into smoldering ruins. After 10 years life would more or less be the same with higher rates of cancers for the next 100 years.
>>488975326Just to clarify, "somewhere warm" doesn't mean the nuclear explosion.
>>488975046If nuclear winter happened after a world wide nuclear conflict these things would happen1. You couldn't grow crops anymore because the fallout would blot out the sun for fucking years and the global temprature would decrease to such a high level you won't be able to leave your home without a parka on in spring and summer.
>>488975046The person who posited the scenario and coined the term himself said it became blown way out of proportion, and it was a theoretical worst case scenario, i.e. if nukes were launched in such a way as to have that effect rather than at actual targets.
>>488975301This. The idea was coined by Carl Sagan (not a nuclear physicist). And a lot of it was based on dirty fission bombs being dropped directly on the surface. Whereas most nuclear weapons are fusion bombs that are air-burst usually around 2000 feet above ground in order to maximize blast coverage. If you aren't near where the nukes falling you're safe. Any long-term radiological material will be primarily emitting alpha particles... which don't have much penetration. You can literally just make yourself a fallout suit out of garbage bags and duct tape if you need to go outside for whatever reason.
>>4889757522. Services like electricity and shit you rely on a daily basis like water and heat will go away and never come back on so you will need a wood stove/coal and enough trees to cut down to fuel your fire literally so you dont freeze to death. Hopefully you also either have a well or water stored underground en masse.
>>4889758703. As for food, since growing crops as stated in number 1 wont be possible atleast for some time you hopefully should of prepped and had freeze dried food and stored food for 6 months-2 years minimum atleast long enough to where the C.O.G. US govt can restore order.
>>488975046nuclear winter as a human extinction event is bullshit fake and gayno nuclear exchange can eject enough particulate into the atmosphere to be the equivalent to the large volcanic eruptions that have happened throughout human existence on life.nuclear winter is a climate change hysteria. the models are wrong, they assume too much black carbon, soot. the propaganda is so bad that you can't even get chat gpt to articulately explain it without defaulting to reciting tropes. Large scale volcanic eruptions emit more SO2, and particulate matter up into the upper stratosphere than nuclear weapons are capable of doing. Even when every individual component is greater, more powerful and longer lasting, people still say muh nuclear winter.Critically examine every component of the alleged cooling. How much black carbon is produced, how high is it ejected into the stratosphere, how long does it stay there,etc. Use real world examples like the kuwaiti oil fires of the first gulf war, or the mega fires in australia. In every case the models over estimate the amount of cooling compared to what happens in real life.Will a shit ton of people die, yes, probably just from the collapse of civilization part. Will there be cooling, yes. Will all people everywhere die? fuck no. I live in a northern latitude and even the fake and gay cooling levels predicted are not outside of human habitation levels, nor do they prevent all crops from growing.fake and over-hyped as fucking shit
>>4889760624. The only safe countries to be in will be Argentina, Australia, New Zealand, etc.
>>488976105the closest proximal event, assuming a total us russian and chinese exchange targeting population centers and nuclear sites is less impactful than the 1815 eruption of mt tambora. We still have plants, we still have trees, we still have animals. humans died an extra amount but we didn't go extinctstop being a retard, educate yourself, see through the lies
>>488975046Nuclear winter is a bit exaggerated, but we all still be fucked by civilizational collapse. We wouldn't be able to grow near enough food and everyone would be killing each other for scraps. Even safe countries in the southern hemisphere would face a similar fate.
>>488976468>We still have plants, we still have trees, we still have animalsHow are you so sure we would still have them after huge nuclear exchanges?
>>488977077What I was trying to say is that an event with more climate impact than nuclear winter happened in 1815. More particulates, more SO2 induced cooling, larger effect over a longer time than the nuclear winter cooling models. Since there are still plants today, still animals today, still people today, and only a small amount of extra people died as a result of the impact of the cooling from a larger event, we don't have to worry about nuclear winter eliminating all plants, freezing all people to death, blacked out sun for decades, etc. It's fear mongering.A fucking fuck ton of people are going to die from nuclear war, from the bombs themselves in major industrial cities, from the grid collapse, from poor sanitation and lack of health care access, from loss of agricultural production, from violence as people try to survive and do whatever they need to in order to secure food and resources. They won't be going extinct and the world is going to continue after this alleged nuclear winter.
>>488978200still europe, russia, america and maybe east asia are turned to ash, africa, latin america and south asia will survive
>>488978200Here's my more depth analysis after looking at each of the assumptionsBasic Foundational PrinciplesAmounts and Duration of Climate-Impacting Components:Mount Tambora Eruption: 100 Tg volcanic ash, 60 Tg SO2 (2 to 3 years)Full Nuclear Exchange: 150 to 180 Tg black carbon soot (several years to a decade)Relative Cooling Forcing (Scaled to Arbitrary Units based on Black Soot):Black Carbon Soot: 1 unitStratospheric Volcanic Ash: 1 to 2 unitsStratospheric SO2 Aerosols: 3 to 5 unitsGreater Cooling Forcing from Mount Tambora:Greater climate cooling forcing from Mount Tambora eruption than from a full nuclear exchange.Impact of Albedo Changes:Reduced by black carbon soot, enhanced by SO2 aerosols.Impact of Ongoing Fires:Ongoing fires do not substantially contribute to the cooling forcing of nuclear warfare.Efficiency of Cooling Forcing:Absorption of black carbon soot is less efficient at surface cooling than volcanic ash and SO2 aerosols.Local Effects and Agriculture:Do not contribute to global cooling and do not make nuclear winter cooling larger than Mount Tambora cooling.Cooling Forcing at 6 Months:Greater remaining cooling forcing from a volcanic eruption than from nuclear winter after 6 months.Long-Term Soot Decay:Cooling forcing from black carbon soot is significantly lower compared to SO2 aerosols and volcanic ash due to rapid initial decay and prolonged sedimentation.
>>488979110Cooling Effects Applied (Updated) 45* north latitude north americaInitial: 7.8°C (14.0°F)6 months: 5.2°C (9.4°F)9 months: 3.9°C (7.0°F)12 months: 2.6°C (4.7°F)15 months: 1.3°C (2.3°F)18 months: 0.65°C (1.2°F)24 months: 0.325°C (0.6°F)Estimated light availabilityInitial Reduction: 90% blocked, 10% sunlight available.6 Months: 78.3% soot remains, approximately 21.7% sunlight available.9 Months: 50% of remaining soot, approximately 39.15% sunlight available.12 Months: 50% of remaining soot, approximately 69.575% sunlight available.15 Months: 50% of remaining soot, approximately 84.7875% sunlight available.18 Months: 50% of remaining soot, approximately 92.39375% sunlight available.24 Months: Minimal residual soot, approximately 96.196875% sunlight available.
>>488975046>nuclear winterhorseshit scaremongering created by the soviets
>>488975301>They'll nuke London and suddenly, all wars will stop.Yeah, until the wretched anglo crawls from the rubble like roaches. They already started 2 world wars, their lust for blood and lies cannot be satiated.
>>488979350Within a year we are talking about temperatures within the normal yearly climate fluctuations for any location on earth. We can't grow full sun crops but there are a ton of cold weather and semi and full shade plants to grow.
>>488975046Nuclear detonation will in theory throw metric fuckloads of dirty and other particulates into the atmosphere which will block out the sun and cause a global catastrophic environmental collapse.
its like normal winter but not real.
>>488975046Don't worry about radiation. Worry about the complete destruction of our food chain, thanks to firstly the ending of just-in-time grocery and parts deliveries, culminating in farmers not being able to fertilize, plant, spray, and harvest crops. Small communities that don't get raided *might* survive, but anything of over 500 people is going to turn into a dog and then kid eating nightmare.Once society trips, it's falling off a cliff.And it's a really long climb back to a self sustaining population, which will be in the millions, instead of billions.
>>4889750467000 out of the estimated 20000+ devices go off and the resulting radioactive pollution will sterilize the earthash winter is least of the problems, not even the deepest bunkers can protect if the spears ever actually start flyingwhich is exactly why they wont
Nothing to worry about, America developed anti nuke tech 20 years ago. The second Russia launched an ICBM; their entire nation will be wiped off of the face of the earth in the blink of an eye
>>488975046Don't worry about it. If we die we die, plenty of dead chinks and russians too, and Yuropoors. It's gonna be the Australians who survive this like the little cockroach people they are.
Play a good Fallout game (1 or 2) THERE YOU GO IT'S JUST LIKE THAT EXACTLY
>>488979919outback might actually become safer post nuclear exchange
>>488979519in terms of radiation, don't live in cities, don't live down wind from cities, don't live down wind from nuclear reactorsComparison to Natural Background RadiationGlobal Average Background Radiation: ~2.4 mSv/year.Additional Fallout Contribution in Rural Areas:Initial period: ~5-10 mSv/year (2-4 times background).By 10 years: Additional radiation is <1-2 mSv/year.By 100 years: Returns to ~background levels.Practical Impact for Rural LocationsShort-Term Impact (First Year):Slightly elevated radiation levels, comparable to living at higher altitudes or receiving medical imaging scans.Health Impact: Minimal for most people, with no significant increase in cancer risk at these levels.Long-Term Impact:Radiation levels drop over time as isotopes decay.Within a decade, the location would be indistinguishable from a natural radiation environment.
>>488975820>You can literally just make yourself a fallout suit out of garbage bags and duct tape if you need to go outside for whatever reason.Hate to tell you, but garbage bags won't block radiation.
>>488975046>20-25 year winternot likely, maybe a few years, less than 5. all that dust and ash will come down quicker than you think. green stuff that lives in colder climates will bounce back immediately, the tropical stuff will take longer. all that ash will actually fertilize the ground better than anything. animals will have a tough time, many species will go extinct.my personal theory is they wont use "nooks", theyll use EMPs and let the people tear themselves apart in the collapse. easier, cheaper, no radiation, less destruction of resources...bing bang boom.
>>488975046Nuclear Winter was designed to scare countries from using nukes to win wars too easily. If there was no real tangible long term repercussions from using them, they would be used a lot more. However if there is a theoretical boogeyman keeping nukes at bay, the PTB can keep their power structure valid and useful for longer periods
>>488979888contingencies that will never be neededyou see the video of an old vostok trying to lift a sarmat off the pad xDturns out letting your buddies embezzle the shit out of your military coffers has downsides
>>488975046Nucpear winter is a meme. Post industrial collapse is not and when qll the factories shut down the climate will drop drastically and cause a plethora of prophecies to fulfill.
there would be some interesting shit like massive amounts of refugee boats coming down here from the north hemisphere but there is only so many boats that can go that distance. not to mention the expertise required to sail that far.
>>488976105St matthews island would like a word with you on population charts.
>>488979821>7000 out of the estimated 20000+ devices go off and the resulting radioactive pollution will sterilize the earthno, in fact, it will not. Where are the most highly radioactive places around earth? plants and animals live there totally fine. humans don't.
>>488978200>people are going to die from nuclear warPeople think "Russia shoots nukes, the US shoots nukes, that's it, game over".But there's nothing to stop all the other weapons we have from being used. Ships, planes, non-nuclear bombs, rockets, etc.Civilization is finished if we have a nuclear war.
>>488980176Garbage bags will block alpha radiation, beta and gamma not so much.
>>488975046Read the book Swan Song. Igore the metaphysical stuff but it gives an excellent description of the world after.
>>488975301Nuclear winter doesn't come from radiation, it comes from blasting a lot of dust into the atmosphere and blocking out the sun. Volcanos do the same thing if it's a big enough explosion.
>>488975046twenty below zero, and that's summer temperatures!
>>488975046Roughly the same thing as, say, a supervolcano eruption. Dust would blot out the sun for weeks, months or even years depending on the severity of the situation. This would kill plantlife, which in turn kills herbivores, which would lead to starvation for predators and famine for us as we'd have to live on canned shit and preserves. Now, depending on how long it lasts, it'd either be total extinction of all life on the planet via starvation, or we'd live. Modern nukes aren't actually that radioactive, even compared to Fat Man and Little Boy dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Given that people were living in those cities not 3 years later, the Fallout franchise is complete fiction. Most of the radiation would be short-lived alpha radiation, which (while heavily ionizing) has short range and low penetration (it can be stopped by a sheet of paper). Background radiation would rise, and you'd do well to stay away from ground zero of any site, but on the whole the survivors would be completely free of radiation worries.In short, it depends how long the atmospheric dust cloud lasts. Days? We'll be fine.Weeks? Major plantlife die-off, larger plants have a higher survival rate due to slower metabolism and greater nutrient stores. Months? A significant ecosystem extinction of many types of animal and plant, only trees and exceptionally hardy plants would remain. It'd get very cold, like living in far northern region. The affected region would never be the same again, without immigration of plantlife and wildlife.Years? Affected area is a barren rock, temperatures far below freezing. It'll never have life again, unless repopulated from the outside.
>>488980473in the most poluted parts of the world no animal or plant survives longer than an hourthe only life that can exist in such a radioactive metal poisoned biome is single celled and very simpleif more than 7000 devices at more than 8mton are deployed the surface of the earth will be like that for decades
Seriously though everyone will die the surface will be uninhabitable even the bunker fags will run out of air food and water and be forced to a toxic surface. There are 400+ nuclear power plants that will either be targeted in strikes or fall into disrepair from neglect because everyone is dead, these plants will leak toxic pollution for the next thousand years. Plant life will die out animals will die even low level organisms will have their DNA deranged by the radiation. All this because Gayto just had to turn Ookrine into a missile base.
>>488975046Niggers looting every store possible.
>>488975046I'm close to an air base so I will be peaced at immediately thankfully
>>488979726Few people have old fashion farming skills that don't require mechanization or chemically altered fertilizers and pesticides.The Amish are best suited to survive the effects of a nuclear war.
>>488975301Anon, i.......
>>488975046>>488975330>>488975549>>488975752>>488979571hello plebbit
>>488975301The dust clouds come from ground burst vaporizing thousands of tons of materials, not air bursts. Air bursts are much cleaner.
>>488975046Isn't it handy that every former western country disbanded their civil defence network, junked most of the infrastructure & lost all the knowledge they had built up & the procedures too.
>>488975046Nuclear winter is theory with as much hard scientific support as "carbon bad",Mount Erebus pours 15 tzar bombas worth of water particulate in the atmosphere every hour...
>>488975046Nukes are fake and gay. We will be struck by wormwood, they will blame it on nukes.
>>488975046You need to learn more. First there are 2 detonation choices, air or ground burst. Air burst you can kill more people in population centers, ground burst you can do more concentrated damage in a smaller area. Ground burst means you eject a lot of ash into the atmosphere, that is where your irradiated fallout comes from. Nuclear winter is a possibility (like climate change) but not a sure thing, incoming solar radiation is a pretty big deal, planet is pretty fucking big and surface area of atmosphere goes as radius squared. the fallout and contaminated materials ingested by livestock, plankton and ignorant humans will be more dangerous. Remember, you kill the plankton and other simple life that makes up foundations of food chains you maybe kill the planet. You're really not going to want to live in the "world after". if you do survive remember that you have one duty to humanity. they will emerge from their luxury bunkers telling you that "I will be your leader as we rebuild a brave new world, and hey, bring me a couple of those sexy white orphans", your duty to humanity is to eradicate ALL their DNA from the face of the planet in the most brutal and violent manner possible upon sighting them.
>>488975301>They'll nuke London and suddenly, all wars will stop.Did you mean to say jerusalem and tel aviv ?
>>488983977>in the most brutal and violent manner possibleBe careful when fighting monsters, to not become a monster yourself. kill them, but make it quick.
>>488975549shut the fuck up you you retarded spicwe should bomb your shithole back to the bottom of the sea
>>488983977>bring me a couple of those sexy white orphansWe could have avoided all of this if that evil bastard Putin had just let them have those sexy little white kids.
>>488975046Yeah and you have to let the white walkers give you the chilly willy reach around. They say the touch of a white walker will make you shoot ropes anon.#silverlining
>>488975614You're not the boss of me
>>488980711>it comes from blasting a lot of dust into the atmosphere and blocking out the sunNo it doesn't stop listening to Reddit. It's fake. It was debunked by the '70s completely.
An abscessed tooth or any other simple bacteriological infection is going to kill you in the "after". Basic services gone. Famines will go global. All law and civil society is gone, a new "dark ages" for mankind ushered in, death, destruction and misery to glorify Satan. Fights for even the most basic resources, and warlords around the globe trying to consolidate as much power and territory as possible. Kill or be killed with everyone you see. Snow in july will be the least of your worries.
>>488975046Nuclear winter is a theoretical concept and may not occur, there can be expected to still be a cooling effect though. It's unlikely that a nuclear war triggered in the present day would be anywhere near the severity compared to decades ago. This is due in part to Russia's limited supply of functional rockets available to deliver warheads along with a minimal number of strategic targets to attack within Russia itself.
>>488984076Bombing Tel Aviv doesn't stop the kikes who work out of City of London, glassing Israel just brings peace in the Middle East temporarily
>If you see a polar bear, then you should assume it has already seen you and is working on killing you.The "after" is like that, you should assume anyone you see is working on killing or enslaving you if only to see what you might have in your pockets. There are only predators and prey in the after.
>>488975046You will just perpetually freeze and starve, assuming nukes are even real.
>>488975046Nuclear Winter has been debunked for decades, you cannot create a winter like from just nukes, besides, building a homemade nuke is mad easy, but no one has ever done it, so nukes are fake and gay to begin with I've heard from a certain guy that there's a huge volcano on Bolivia, and the elites will make it erupt if their plans exceed the time limit, ash will go everywhere and will make krakatoa look like a birthday party, billions will die, and they will blame this on nuclear war
>>488975046Nobody even knows if "nuclear winter" is real, nuclear winter is a literal hypothesis. Does it make sense if we light thousands of small radioactive suns off that the aftermath will fuck up earth for a certain period of time? Yes obviously. But MOST actual data shows that the climate aftermath of a nuclear war might only last a few weeks. The real issue is for obvious reasons the post-apocalyptic world humans will have to survive in after. No food production, no electric grid, no society, etc etc
>>488985011>This is due in part to Russia's limited supply of functional rockets available to deliver warheadsYou're the same John Bolton cock sucking faggot that told us they only had 2 weeks of missiles and artillery when all this started aren't you ? Solid fuel is fucking easy and Russia is the largest country in the world and resource rich. You fucking faggot moron. one of the great things about nukes is "close" is "close enough" and quantity has a quality all its own. vaporized Moscow and St. Petersburg gets you 18 million and 150 million mortal enemies until the sun burns out all across the world's largest continent of Asia. for super patriotic war against the west in the after, Russia should easily be able to produce dozens of nukes and delivery vehicles per day.You have not the slightest clue about anything you are talking about, and give not a fuck if you endanger all of humanity. Go back to your reddit gloryhole faggot, these forums are for adults.
>>488980451>relevant parts of the world all get nuked to death>get to join australian defense force and machine gun niggers in dinghies up the top end because no more cuck america to enforce gay shit like rules of war or crimes against humanity
>>488980811So many brown retards now habitate this site. I truly hope, the the world’s sake that you subhumans don’t actually live in the countries of your flags and are on VPNs.Vid very, very rel. https://youtube.com/watch?v=KzpIsjgapAk>tldr, nuclear winter was anti nuke propaganda made up during the Cold War for obvious reasons
>>488980711Not a real scientific theory.
>>488986382Russia's nuclear arsenal has been rotting for decades even since before the collapse of the Soviet Union. They have warheads but the rockets and launch infrastructure require major investments to upkeep all the sophisticated parts. Their newer Sarmat missiles have also had major setbacks with many catastrophic failures. This is why Russia has had to revise it's nuclear strategy with cope weapons like nuclear torpedoes because their launch capability has dwindled to nothing and will struggle against US defenses which have been heavily funded to the present day. If a real nuclear war happened without warning the Russian response would be as pathetic as their invasion of Ukraine. The US could obliterate Russia with 1% of it's arsenal.
>>488978380You really think the pakis and pajeets won't end up lobbing their nukes at each other's too?
another nuke thread
>>488975046read War Day by Whitley Strieber read it back in the 80's. good book
