>there is a poor country>a multinational oil corporation comes into the country>makes a deal with the government>give us x amount of land, and make your military and police defend our business, and we will give you x% of our profit>the government writes laws, "illegal to disturb the business of x oil corporation">military starts bulldozing villages>money starts flowing into government, but none of it goes to the locals>the government is "hired guns" for the oil corporation>the oil corporation bought off the government, the government is a prolonged arm of the oil corporation>pollution causes the locals to be unable to live off fishing and farming>locals start drilling holes in pipelines and bribing soldiers and policemen to let them have some of the oilThis begs two questions. What is theft? And what is corruption?When locals drill holes in pipelines the oil corporation, the government and others will call this theft. But who gave the oil corporation a right to the oil? God? They do in fact only have a right to it insofar as they can defend this right. So what is theft?And what is corruption? The soldier who takes a "bribe" is no different from the soldier who doesn't take a bribe. Whichever side has more money wins the soldier to its side.
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Anon this is too deep for this soulless place. Plus most people are sleeping, not me for some reason I am wide awake :|
>>488984507all are 'thieves' and corrupt.your question is making a logical fallacy ..somewhere along the lines of asking a question seemingly unrelated to the premise?The question really should be, who owns the land?Good set-up, though.This is essentially what happened in, esp, Africa.Look up Cecil Rhodes.Many think hes this evil colonialist, but take into consideration Black Africans down there were fattening and butchering dozens of children at a time and familial and child eating was so common that women would give birth and then cook and eat the newborn child with the family!Who from 200 years ago, or even today, wouldn't think that they were fundamentally better than such a people.
>>488984507Yeah, jews can bend the rules because they made them but you can't because you have to be a good goy.Based?
>>488986868Many such cases.
>>488984507>What is theft?When you take something that isn't yours from your own group, so if I take a pen from a black man that is not stealing(unless he's a friend, then he's part of my group), but if I take it from a white man then it is stealing, because he's also part of my group. That's why jews do usury and all their predatory schemes with goyim, they don't do that shit with their own kind, even with the sephardi and mizrahi.>And what is corruption?Corruption is a very broad word I don't think a simple definition could do it. If you're a CEO and you take a few millions from your company to buy a new house or car, is that corruption? How does it compare to politicians selling themselves to foreign powers? And what about politicians who do what they're told because other powers have blackmail? What about moral corruption? I'll leave a question for you: Why does morality matter? Why shouldn't we just do what we want regardless of what others think?
>>488986776>you're committing a logical fallacy>but I don't know whichGood to know
>>488984507You aren't going to reach them As a group, whites only want to subjugate life so they can grow weak without interruption. You'll never get the to understand honor or empathy, because those things require work. Whites don't want to work. They want others to work and they want to waste away while convincing themselves they're immortal.
>>488984507that documentary is wild. fuck niggers, oil company is in the right
>>488988025Which documentary? You don't seem to get my point.
>>488988025Based documentary. Now I too want to see it.
>>488987838The street shitting is strong with this one.
>>488984507well the government is supposed to be a democracy. so the people voted for them to be the ones to make those deals.now Im sure you will say.... but the government is corruptand of course you are right. and what recourse do the people have?now you understand the first and second amendments.you do of course support the first and second amendments, right swedebro .... right?
>>488988357do you support the individuals right to ABSOLUTE freedom of speech?do you support the right of all citizens to keep and bear arms?because if you refuse to support these two ideas, then you deserve the corrupt tyrants you will inevitably get. the entire history of the evolution of democracy, especially in European nations, hinges around people demanding these two fundemental rights. without these rights our constitutions arent worth the paper they are printed on. we have no way to collectively organize or enforce our rights, that is legal at least.one of the big problems with many immigrants is that they escaped from the tyranny. they didnt have to FIGHT for freedom. they were able to run away. and because of that they dont share the European mindset. they dotn understand that without these two rights, carefully gaurded, that eventually a tyranny forms and takes over. they very foolishly vote for candidates who would take these rights away, and ussually for nothing more then a promise of GIBS, which they of course never really get.ask the niggers in the USA. they have blindly voted for democrats for nearly sex decades, they've been promised the moon and six pence, and all theyve got to show for thier loyalty is the same ghettos there own father was murdered in.
It seems my point was not conveyed. I might try to l elaborate another time.
>>488990269he lives in sweden, it's peak socialism country. not even china compares
>>488984507trouble with this question is you are asking anons to write dissertations on rchan. i come here for a chat, not a debate on thievery and its moral position. i come here to shout nigger. if you want to meet me for a coffee and cake i will happily discuss this subject for hours if you like.
>>488988357the on the photo is taken from. they have open fore pots heating oil after theyve spilt oil and petrol ALL over the place. forget which nationality but some White lads go and interview some of them and get accosted with machete wielding pirates.
>>488994008nooooooo i forgot to herb. my name is sullied.
>>488985939Why are Swedes so consistently retarded? Is it something in the water?
Ownership is enforcedThe government has a monopoly on force, therefore they own the landGo argue with them if you like, when they point their guns at you, you will concede and back down, and they will go about doing what they like with what is theirs
>>488984507> But who gave the oil corporation a right to the oil? God? Yes.
>>488987838we do want to work, we just dont want to work for nothing, which is what people are working for at the minute. they spend their meagre income on suicide prevention
>The soldier who takes a "bribe" is no different from the soldier who doesn't take a bribethe solider who takes the bribe is the reason why the system collapsesif no soldiers took bribes then they would be operating under the intended pretense
>>488984507don't care>>488985195you can't self bump newfag>>488985939you can't self bump newfag
>>488984507Any man who deals in deceit or dishonesty is a thief. Did the multinational oil corporation lie or act dishonestly in their practices? The government? The answer to all is yes. They're all thieves, particularly the government if the money does not entirely go to serve the nation.
>>488987592well.maybe if you had a brain you couldve riffed off the rest of what i said but you're a lobotomized fuckface so...enjoy your shit tier thread with even weaker replies than mine, niggerlol
>>488984507if you believe in human rights and are able to predict this chain of events then you have a responsibility to take action to prevent or at least mitigate the consequences for the people that will suffer under the government with which you are conducting business. it's very simple, and appeals to philosophies are made only by people who wish to make terms vague enough get away with writing and abiding by rules which absolve them of the moral imperative to use their knowledge to make the world better, and grant them the freedom to profit without caring. fuck china, fuck russia, fuck ukraine, fuck israel, fuck arabia, fuck india, fuck warlords, fuck america and its vassals, fuck jannies, and fuck niggers.
>>488984507>When locals drill holes in pipelines the oil corporation, the government and others will call this theft. But who gave the oil corporation a right to the oil?The fucking government which people consent to be governed by, dumbass. You don't need to justify theft or obfuscate it so it somehow doesn't count. Inconveniencing and stealing from a corrupted government is based, it's even better to just shoot them for violating the contract between governor and governed.
>>488984507Interesting question swedetwi- anon. On the one hand i would argue that,from a certain perspective, the locals drilling the pipes are committing theft simply due to the fact that the oil corp/govt have a monopoly on violence and can declare that act theft and back it up with force. From the perspective of the poor locals the oil corp is the thief, and the govt is aiding them in that theft. The locals have had their livelihood stolen from them and could be considered morally right when they "steal" from the oil corp, as that "theft" is only reclaiming what was taken from them. >what is corruption Everyone in this scenario is corrupt, except the individual local who is trying to provide for his family IMO
>>488985939Stop bumping your nonsense post
>>488984507>But who gave the oil corporation a right to the oil? God?No the government, which is the organized body that grants and regulates land/mineral rights. So if the government grants me mineral rights on land (land rights =/= mineral rights) and then you take some of the minerals then YOU are the one stealing. I know this is probably a difficult concept to understand as you are probably a refugee from Ethiopia or Somalia.>And what is corruption? The soldier who takes a "bribe" is no different from the soldier who doesn't take a bribe??? This is just a retarded fallacy wrapped in 14yr old 'this is deep' logic. The soldier that takes a bribe is corrupt.Again this shouldnt be a complicated issue to process in your mind. If you are granted mineral/land rights by the government and people decide to illegally make a living by stealing your property it doesnt make them noble because they are poor, they are stealing which leads to conflict. Civilized countries like Sweden seem to have a pretty good handle on stuff like this, and countries like Ethiopia and Somalia do not and tend to just kill each other of land and resource rights.The government administers and regulates land/resource claims this shouldnt be a complex idea to hold in your mind.
>>488984507post is too high iq for /pol/its a good ethical dilemma. there might not be any right answers.but in my opinion it is the combined fualt of the local governments as well as the foreign nations and companies. the oil should be for the people, not for private profit. exploitation, corruption and theft results from a dysfunctioning and unfair society.highlighting these issues like you have and doing a focused effort for a more transparent and fair system is the way to go
>>488984507>>what is theft in an immoral situation>>what is corruption in a corrupt environmentthere fixed it for you
>>488997614Is it right for a foreign private company to set up shop in Africa and then profit off the natural resources by paying off the politicians and send 60% of the profit home, 30% to the politicians and 5% to the populace?Wouldn't it be in everyones best interest if their wealth was actually distributed to run the country and not make their lives perpetually terrible so they all flee to Europe and America?
>>488997704>the oil should be for the people, not for private profitThis is the prerogative of the government, not a retard on 4chan. Who are YOU to say who the oil is for?Basically all governments on the planet agree that the best way for 'the people' to benefit from natural resources is to lease rights to experts that know what the fuck they are doing and how to extract and process the resource, and then they give a portion of the profits to the government in exchange. It is the governments responsibility to decide how/if to use that revenue for the people. It is the job of the miners to extract the minerals as efficiently as possible.Its not the job of random poor niggers to steal shit, and then make the claim that 'this is mine because I live here'. If you arent a retarded Marxist and older than 25 you should probably understand how and why systems like this exist and why every functioning country on the planet operates this way.>>488997953>Is it right for a foreign private company to set up shop in Africa and then profit off the natural resourcesAgain you have the intellect of a 14yr old. Companies dont 'set up shop' they are requested to come in or ask to come in and the government can either grant/deny mineral rights. The reason they grant them is because that is the most efficient way to get the minerals out of the ground. Its not the mining companies responsibility to give money to citizens, it is their job to get the resources out of the ground as efficiently as possible and to fulfill their obligations under the mineral rights agreements.If you have a complaint with how some 3rd world shithole is administering its mineral leases; well fuck off that is their business not yours. No country wants some shithead Europoors telling it how to run its affairs. If the citizens dont like the government well its their job to do something about that, stealing isnt an advisable option. People that steal should be punished, otherwise it destabilizes society
>>488998401>If the citizens dont like the government well its their job to do something about thatthen amerilards call them terrorists and fly to the shithole country and train their military to kill them even though they've lived there for longer than america has been a country. shut up retard
>>488998610>shut up retardCalm down Mohammed, your anger is exploding>even though they've lived there for longerThis is not how mineral rights work. If you want to claim that you can take resources by force, then you cant really complain when the government responds with greater force can you?>shut up retardkek
>>488998879pilpul peemasons will lose
>>488998401>Who are YOU to say who the oil is for?its in my interest that the 3rd world doesn't get ransacked by corrupt politicians because otherwise it perpetuates immigration>Basically all governments on the planet agree that the best way for 'the people' to benefit from natural resources is to lease rights to experts that know what the fuck they are doing and how to extract and process the resource, and then they give a portion of the profits to the government in exchange. It is the governments responsibility to decide how/if to use that revenue for the people. It is the job of the miners to extract the minerals as efficiently as possible.how fair is it? its well known that the population in many african countries sees nothing of the money. that's just two thieves stealing from the people. one foreign entity is exploiting the fact that a shithole has a dysfunctional, corrupt government and the population suffers because of it.>Its not the job of random poor niggers to steal shit, and then make the claim that 'this is mine because I live here'. If you arent a retarded Marxist and older than 25 you should probably understand how and why systems like this exist and why every functioning country on the planet operates this way.the point of the OP flew right over your head. like a stupid person. for someone being so intent on namecalling you sure act like a projecting 14 y/o redditor.>If you have a complaint with how some 3rd world shithole is administering its mineral leases; well fuck off that is their business not yours. No country wants some shithead Europoors telling it how to run its affairs. If the citizens dont like the government well its their job to do something about thatagain it's definitely in my interest that shit like this does not happen.>stealing isnt an advisable option. People that steal should be punished, otherwise it destabilizes societyyou're extremely stupid
>>488999173>its in my interest that the 3rd world doesn't get ransacked by corrupt politicians because otherwise it perpetuates immigrationSo immigration is the fault of 3rd world shitholes and not your own country's government?!?!?! ..... fascinating.>how fair is it?Not my problem, not your problem either. Instead of running around trying to fight for other countries to change, how about you just focus on your own country? "Clean your room" as a wise man once said.>the point of the OP flew right over your headNo I understand it perfectly fine, and I have done a good job of dismantling the braindead Marxist critiques herein. This why communism doesnt work btw because govt bureaucrats make stupid decisions like "only people that have lived here for X generations can farm this land".....and thats how famines occur.Giving mineral rights to poor people just because "they live there" is retarded and will cause them to get less benefit than if the governement leases the mineral rights to experts. If the government is corrupt and is stealing the money, then you are attacking the problem at the wrong level.>it's definitely in my interest that shit like this does not happenIts not. Clean your room.>you're extremely stupidIll take that as a win. Get to bed Mohammed, you have class in the morning.
