Why cant America have public healthcare?
Fats. Blacks. Fat blacks.
>>488986316>jews
>>488986316insurance jews won't let the government do it because then their business is worthlessalso something something taxation something something BBC
>>488986316Fat people, niggers, spics and fat nigger/spics.
>>488986316>Why cant the middle class pay for everyone's healthcare? Because there is no middle class anymore.
>>488986393>>488986454How do the existence of unhealthy people prevent healthcare, can you only have healthcare when people are healthy? That seems somewhat illogical. Do other countries with healthcare not have unhealthy people?And how does the existence of minorities prevent it, again do other countries with healthcare not have minorities?>>488986432Why don't they oppose it elsewhere?And how do you respond to the people saying it is because of minorities and people being unhealthy?
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we have the best health care in the worldif you're a doctor and you have good skils, you move to america to make money. many americans have insurance that pays for everything
>>488986316Why can't Europe pay for it's national defense?
>>488986926>pays for everythingCome on now
>>488986316Because it has to pay for Israel's universal education and healthcare, and that's not cheap stupid goyim.
>>488986926>if you're a doctor and you have good skils, you move to america to make money.not the best example, it is extremely hard for a foreign doctor to come to the US and work as a doctor.first, the US restricts the doctor supply with the residency program, you will wait years until there is an opening. Then you will need to work 2 years as a resident for next to nothing. hope you don't starve while you wait
>>488986799America has a huge obesity problem and has had it for a long time. Blacks massively have heart issues because of bad diets. Show me a skinny man in a soul food restaurant and I'll show you a man with friends who like to drag him to places. Fat friends. Fatties several times more medical attention than skinny people, and it isn't a phenomenon created by not having socialized healthcare. Canada has been suffering from the consequences of fat people run off from America in their social healthcare system for a while now, and their system in practicality is even worse than America's.
>>488986316Jews
>>488986316americans can not exercise or eat healthy so no one is willing to foot the bill for their bad decisions
>>488986926>we have the best healthcare If you are Jewish. Not for goys
>>488986316our government is completely incompetent and corruptaffirmative action and unions
>>488986926>and most people cant afford it.You forgot that part.>many americans have insurance that pays for everythingThey don't and it doesn't.>>488987029What is it exactly do you think they need to spend on that they aren't?NATO keeps Europe in Americas pocket, if they have to develop their own security arrangement they will become a third force in the world independent of Washington and Moscow.
>>488986316Insurance companies bought all of our corrupt politicians.
our healthcare in the first place is a roguelikedont get hit
or ask how can they afford healthcare... then look at their military spending... we subsidize their free healthcare with our military
>>488987432Other countries with public healthcare systems don't have obesity and heart problems?Mightn't a public healthcare system give impeteus to address these problems?>socializedooh scary buzzword>>488987472Could you elaborate, and explain why they do not oppose it elsewhere?>>488987538Barely 10% of the American workforce is unionized. Other countries have much higher rates of union membership, and try to assist minorities and the disadvantaged, and do not have this incompetent operation of public service + provide public healthcare.So clearly that isn't it.
>>488987654I have already addressed "muh NATO" argument, but to further elaborate on it how do you explain Japan which pays 75% of the basing costs?
>>488987916Man, don't strawman me. I'm a state capitalist anyways, this is a conversation between 2 people who'd want the same fuckin' system. Difference is that I know it wouldn't work in America because I heavily follow dieting and exercise culture and science and I know that the amount of permanent maintenance (because fixing fat for most people isn't a one time thing or teaching them techniques because they're lazy, they need someone on their ass about it) needed to keep people skinny would bankrupt the government like the military has been doing since World War 2.
Mutts will cope>Muh blacksBrazil has fucking free healthcare.>Muh fatsWe have so many fatasses because the FDA allows corporations to feed people poison.
>>488988168>Man, don't strawman meCiting examples of everyone else doing it fine is not a strawman.>I'm a state capitalist anywayMy understanding is this means capitalism under state management, surely this includes providing for the citizenry to ensure they are more productive workers?
>>488988906You did strawman me. You said socialized and accused me of not liking it because it's a buzzword. I don't really care how productive people are as long as outsiders are kept outside and the people inside are happy and healthy, and a legitimate way to make America healthier for way cheaper is to start regulating foods first, then cutting farming subsidies for all these oil based crops, taxing imports to keep farmers happy because those guys boogaloo at every chance they get, and properly teach actual nutrition in school and not the fake ass FDA shit that's going on now.After all of this, then I can agree to socialized healthcare.
>>488986316We do. You know that defense budget people keep shitting on? About 1/3 of that is specifically Healthcare for approximately 1.5 million active and reserve servicemembers. If you're poor it's also covered. If youre old its also covered. We also have free clinics in cities that operate like Britain. You wait in line for several hours then schedule an appointment months out. Those are charity operations though not forced by the state. US has 340m people. I suppose the biggest barrier is that nobody in America wants the government to have a vested interest and therefore power over the health of its people. That's how you get mandatory vaccinations, diet control punishable by incarceration, death boards, and just overall opening the door for tyranny.
>>488986316Cannot afford it.Simple as.
>>488988033i didnt say nato. but that does have something to do with it as well. NATO doesnt protect oil shipments in the gulf let alone the pacific. japan has the same benefit from Us military as erurope. We keep the seas safe for trade, among other things
>>488991208and research funding for healthcare. - USA/dollar printer
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>>488986316Niggers. 35 million illegal aliens. And healthcare providers that collude on pricing.
>>488989114Pointing out your using a word designed to make it sound negative is not a strawman.>>488989915That is the VA you refer to>If you're poor it's also covered. If youre old its also covered. Badly.>We also have free clinics in cities that operate like Britain. Are you thinking of the NHS? That is not how the NHS works.>You wait in line for several hours then schedule an appointment months out. Yeah that def is not the NHS.>Those are charity operations though not forced by the state. What force do you think there is in public healthcare>go to doctor>get treated>get referral>help I'm being forced and repressed!I don't understand this.>US has 340m people.https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/economiesofscale.asp>>488989967You can afford a trillion dollar a year military budget and taxcuts for the rich.>>488991208If you do not mean NATO what do you mean, do you think the US just gives countries?>NATO doesnt protect oil shipments in the gulf let alone the pacific.>We keep the seas safe for trade, among other thingsControling the worlds trade and oil is a net benefit to US capital you dolt>japan has the same benefit from Us military as erurope.Japan pays 75% of the basing costs. What benefit?And who or what is threatening Japan and Europe anyway.
>>488991612>Japan pays 75% of the basing costs. What benefit?>And who or what is threatening Japan and Europe anyway.you are an idiot
>>488991279Which you do not benefit from since you do not have public healthcare>>488991339>powerful capitalist interests oppose Britains NHS and want it dismantled>ackchyually it's because of irrational leftism
>>488991612I used it descriptively. A lack of socialized healthcare doesn't cause all these fat people.
>>488991475>go to doctor>present your healthcare card that you need ID or birth certificate and social security number to obtain>get treatedYes, of course, illegal immigrants are the reason why it cant be done.>>488991728>it's idiotic to point out Japan pays for the cost of American bases and so aren't getting free defence>it's also idiotic to point out they don't need that free defence given the size and ability of JSDF and the lack of credible threat in the region
>>488991819And having them doesn't prevent having public healthcare.Do you say "socialized courts" or "socialized police" or "socialized military" or "socialized food and drug testing"?
>>488991612>Japan pays 75% of the basing costs. What benefit?im assuming you are talking about us military based in japan. What does that have to do with keeping the sees safe?Whos threatening japan and europe?ATM? with us protecting everything? or who would be without us there?
>>488992089"The Canadian Armed Forces are a professional volunteer force that consists of approximately 68,000 active personnel"u think they could get away with just 68k without the US military existing?
>>488992042Socialized healthcare is just what people call it, man. I'm for social programs and I really think that you're not addressing the legitimate plan I have to make the public healthier, including socialized healthcare. It's just not realistic right now though.
>>488986316Cause we pay for everyone else's
>>488986316That $ belongs to Israel you Nazi fuck.
>>488991972>it's idiotic to point out Japan pays for the cost of American bases and so aren't getting free defence1. i thought it was 75%, so, not even all of that.2. what about how they benefit from the REST of the US military that they do not pay for>lack of credible threat in the regioni guess china does not exist anymore
>>488992454he things becuase japan pays for 75% of the costs of just the US military based in their territory... that makes it a wash... and japan has no enemies or threats, with us or without us there.
>>488986316because king nigger made insurance mandatory.still not sending their best.
>>488992089>What does that have to do with keeping the sees safe?It was claimed the US cannot afford these things because it pays for the defence of other countries. Japan pays 75% of the cost.>Controling shipping and global oilGosh gee I dunno how this could benefit the US.>even though there is no threat we have to because if we didn't there would behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3U6IUMTDHY>>488992194What threat does Canada face?>>488992334No, they don't. It is a uniquely American term that comes from corporate PR to try to denigrate it.>>488992454How?>>4889926013/4>benefit from the REST of the US militaryThey are benefiting from the US military inside the USA? wut>put military bases around a country>they react>see they're a threat we need thoses bases>and btw we'll bitch about those bases and blame the inhabitants of the countries we put them>>488992660How do you generate the brain power to breath is truly one of lifes mysteries.The US doesn't pay for their defence, so the argument doesn't apply there. Regarding Europe, the US does this to control their security so they don't become a third force. In both cases it provides bases the US can use to forward project forces. And also in both cases WHAT THREAT? If there is no threat then logically it must follow there is another purpose, that I already explained.>>488992743>made insurance mandatoryDo you refer to the Affordable Care Act that is based on a state based medicaid expansion a Republican Governor introduced and was drafted by the Heritage Foundation?But how does its failings mean a purely public system that cuts out all the middlemen and bureaucracy of working through the private system cannot work the way it does everywhere else?
>>488993725Okay, it's uniquely American, but I'm American and we're talking about implementation of it in America. I again, you're attacking the way I'm saying this and not what I'm actually saying. I think you want to support as you say public healthcare just because it's the popular thing to like. I have a real plan to fix the health situation and a plan to implement public healthcare.
>>488994103>it works everywhere else>oh I get it you just want to do what's popularHow do you interpret that
>>488994810I don't get that conclusion from everyone else doing it, I get it because it's an idea that a lot of culturally left people have and they're very bold about it. It's popular for those groups of people and then tribalism kicks in (not to say anything bad about you, everyone is influenced by tribalism) and you feel very bold in your own belief in public healthcare. But what about my plan? Do you agree with it? If not, what would you change?
>>488993725We subsidize their defense. defense includes including protecting trade. Who do you think protects oil shipments and trade in general? Why do you think piracy is not a way bigger thing than it is?>"What THREAT"?literally any of them.... what planet are you on?are you saying Europe and japan have zero threats and do not need military/defense? I mentioned china but you just ignored it. so w/eThe US certainly pays for much of what Japan should be paying for themselves. Even you are admitting that they dont even pay for all the US military based in Japan... forget about those not based there and the navy. Who protects the seas?You think if the US military disappear tomorrow, these countries would not face threats that previously had a lid kept on them? create/allow a weakness and evil will exploit it.
Most of you retards wont understand any of this but here is the truth so listen carefullyThis entire post is an example of the overton window shifting away from our founding ideals as a nation. You can have some amount of public healthcare, but administered by States. There is in fact, without an amendment, no possibility within Article I or II to allow for public health care systems by the national government.Redistribution of wealth is evil when revenue is raised through direct taxation and there is no apportionment. This is because, just as John Locke described, labor is in fact your life. This very concept is at the core of our constitutional tax system, and why we have two categories of taxes (excise and direct with apportionment). Taxing your life without everyone feeling the pain is immoral, hence apportionment in Article II. States are given more authority under the 10th amendment for domestic issues, but even there they would be shackled by the constitution.People treat the national government as this large god like entity that has always been there and always will be. Like a father figure, a parent, that takes care of you your entire life.The relationship between citizen and government needs to be redressed in a significant way.
>>488986316Because it's a lie. Poor people die earlier than people with money. No one gives a fuck if you dont have money. And no fucking government can change it. Everyone knows you save money to fight off the first few rounds with disease and aging.
>>488986316Oh boy I can't wait to wait 7-36 months to have my broken arm treated while pakis and jeets get instant treatment for a runny nose or a stubbed toe.
I am a bit disappointed with these responses:* Somehow the existence of black people prevents it, no explanation.* Somehow the existence of unhealthy people prevents the implementation of a *checks notes* program to help people be healthy, again no explanation.* Somehow illegal immigrants would prevent it from working, despite the fact that with no identification they could not be registered.* da J00s!* We have to pay for everyone elses defence/healthcare/whatever - the American imperial system is indeed a problem but you have to properly understand its purpose and what it is doing to properly dismantle it, and this aint it. And when you do not fundamentally object to that system and oppose cutting the military budget you're just being facetious.
>>488995306>we cant have something that benefits everyone and raises the standard of living of poor because of some old document from the 1700swelp>muh redistributionThat already goes on, upwards.>>488995865Why do you believe that would happen?
>>488986316What’s really fucked is the mental health sector. Firstly, so many people try to abuse it for disability gibs, meaning a bunch of walls and filters are made to try and prevent this, but what often ends up happening is it also stonewalls people who actually need assistance - even if temporary - from actually getting it. If someone is so hopeless and dysfunctional that they can’t even take care of themselves, then what chance do they have to access and understand the process of getting help? The amount of conditions and legalese is baffling, and you’re 90% guaranteed to get a claim rejected without a lawyer, which will put you in debt if you have nothing to begin with. Basically if you can’t work because of mental issues, and therefore can’t afford a psychiatrist of any worthwhile merit, you’re fucked and may as well just end it now.
>>488986316Because companies need to pay themselves and steal from their workforce every little bit of life and time they have. If you tried to make the workforce healthy they wouldn't be reliant on a (((job))) to have health insurance, they wouldn't be literal slaves. And you cannot have a prosperous (((industry))) without slave labor because (((trade))) is always a net loss.
>>488996058It's not that the existence of unhealthy people prevents the implementation of programs to be healthy, it's that it's fat isn't cured with a visit to the hospital and reliance on Ozempic to avoid otherwise avoidable unhealthiness is bad for the mind and body in other ways. Fat people take up multiples of the amount of care that a normal person does, and America has multiple times more fat people than most other western nations. Again, please talk about my plan to actually implement public healthcare. This is why I said you just want to support it just 'cuz. I have a perfectly reasonable plan that includes public healthcare and you're ignoring it because I'm saying it'd be bad right now because it really would be bad right now.
>>488986799>how does the existence of an overwhelming majority of walking insurance liabilities prevent healthcare for all?gosh memeflag, could be anyone's guess...
It is a shame we donate even a dime to the Zionist entity. They have a fucking space program, which is basically a luxury item for any country to have.
>>488996194>Why do you believe that would happen?because it already happens in canada
>>488996194You are a poor european faggot nigger. We subsidize all of your health care by being world police. I’ll laugh when we cut our spending to give our citizens health care and you euroniggers have to deal with Russia by yourselves.
>>488996194Except it wouldn't benefit everyone. Extrapolate, consolidate, you'll have government healthcare administered by the same people that charge us 800 dollars for a hammer at the defense department.Ostensibly, you would also be poorer, because of the inflationary effect. See Canada, Europe, and even the USA for the last 5 years.>It works in little boutique nations in Europe that don't have a national defense to worry about because the USA subsidizes itYeah, we know.Also, you didn't read anything I wrote, that's fine. You're a perfect example of the public school system at work, your answer for everything is "well, I don't understand it, and we do it anyway so its just dandy".Throwing away "some document from the 1700s" for something created by modern educated idiots is literally the most brain rot move imaginable. You don't even understand how, despite what little of that document remains untouched, it protects you in ways you're probably too stupid to imagine.By all means, don't understand labor theory of property, be a wagie tax slave for the government for "muh healthcare" that could easily be delivered by the free market at significantly reduced cost without government interference.>Capitalism sucks bro, Bernie would have saved usBasically you, dipshit.
>>488991612>You can afford a trillion dollar a year military budget and taxcuts for the rich.Bot.
