My god /pol/ is this real
>>488990800jokes on them, I don't eat fruit and vegetables
>>488990800pay real americans real wages faggot
Lol no, we've been destroying crops for decades to inflate the cost of food already.We produce so much godamn food other nations need to tariff our food exports.
>>488990800The desire for cheap shit from overseas, whether it be be products or labor, is the reason the US is on the verge of being a 3rd world shithole.
>>488990800is it so different than what gets posted here? random turbo otaku posting warnings about world leaders, posting their shitty predictions, "I Warned You" blah blah blah
>>488990800>get severe shortage of workers>forced to hire Americans>produce goes back downWITHOUT SLAVE LABOR IM GOING TO STARVERemember during covid when multiple nations were forced to hire their own citizens instead of importing labor from the third world on temp visas.No one noticed because the megacorp farm simply made less profit that year.
>>488990800community notes - migrant farm workers will not be deported
>>488990800But if you deport the mexicans, then there will be less demand.Don't @ me about farmers crying poor
>>488990800>Unemployment is very low right nowJust a complete lie>Where are these people dying to work themselves to the bone for shit wagesWages that are only shit because the labor market has been flooded with illegal aliens
>>488990800Oh no. I’ll have to pay 25 cents more for a basket of strawberries or avocados when I make guacamole a couple of times a year.I’m not gonna make it am I, /pol/?
We have farm worker visa programs. We expand those. Why do you retards think that presidents can only do one thing at a time, this isn't DnD.
>>488990800Why would they rot in the fields? Just pay fair wages to harvest them and raise the prices a little or simply buy them direct from the farmer like most people do since it's easier and cheaper.
>>488990800It’s crazy to me that leftists now advocate for slave labor
>literal reddit thread>morons reply anyway without saging
>>488990800I don't believe anybody knows anything about how the economy works. All my life I've watched economics experts try to predict the economy and all my life I've watched them be wrong. If you're right about the economy, it was a lucky guess. If you're wrong about it, you're like most economists.
>>488990800Almost all of them are on guest worker visas, i.e. they're legal. There are literally law firms dedicated completely to bringing in temporary agriculture workers. It's an entire subset of immigration law. Trump was amenable to temp agriculture visas during his first term and hasn't said anything to indicate he wouldn't be this time around. If prices do go up due to labor shortages (again, unlikely), the administration will push for expansion of agriculture visas because they aren't fucking retarded.
>>488991289>Le heckin sage fellow 4chudzKill yourself you reddit-tier crybaby, simply don't engage and fuck off
>>488991083Americans aren't going to work 14 hours days for peanuts. they'll want an actual decent wage and proper labor conditions. this will massively increase labor costs of producers and might drive many smaller ones under. Who do you think will pay the increased cost? The end consumer.
The price of goods and services go up, but wages also go up, while illegals go out. Sounds good to me.
I'm willing to deal with some negative consequences if it means we can rid ourselves of millions of parasites.
>>488990800>These people dont want to work for shit wagesThen pay them more, farming is pretty much all subsidized now anyway, take the budget from the ATF and pay people to farm.
>>488991019Cucked and blackmailed politicians are the reason you fucking retard. Go back farther and you'll see clear as day.
>>488990800Its bullshit, we have plenty of LEGAL farmworkers and unleashed American energy is going to lower input costs across the board.You can't afford food now if you haven't noticed. Trump didn't do that to you.
>>488990800Why didn't it happen during his first term?
>>488990800We can put the disabled and prison inmates to work.
>>488990800Why do you keep listening to and having hysterical reactions to the things people you know are pathological liars keep saying to you ? have you had your "T levels" checked ?
>>488990800so in other words, less competition for us jobs and less demand for goods (thus putting negative price pressure on said goods). got it.
>left wing unironically supporting slavery
>>488991531Without slaves food will be too expensive.
>>488991599People chose cheap gook shit from wal mart rather than american made from the mom n pop shop.
>>488990800Leftists:>The working class should have higher wages!also Leftists:>writes 1,000 word essay on why the working class shouldn't get higher wages
>>488990879fpbp
Imagine if we spent as much money on automated agriculture machinery as we did on the F-35
You're not going to want to eat fruits and vegetables for a year or two anon, fallout is a thing. Just take a multivitamin if you survive.
>>488991386I've always said thisit;s just made up numbers, in a made up gamethey can be whatever we want them to be
>>488990800Most of the produce I eat isn't grown here anyway. Lots of it comes from Mexico. By this logic, it should get cheaper. What do American farmers grow? Corn for fuel. Wheat (harvested by combines). Some produce in Commiefornia, but if you pay for organic then you're screwing yourselves. I guess apples and pears will be more expensive. When was the last time I bought apples or pears?
>>488990800>Reddit>filled with communists trannies>reeeee trumps gonna deport all the slave labour >lying about unemployment rates>turns our most of the trannies and leftists are unemployed living off their parents and weird jobs like shilling>lefts actually farminglol lmao they won't do shit but yell and screamalso we've all seen the leftist farm in Oregon
>>488991250>It’s crazy to me that leftists now advocate for slave laborThey always have. >Free healthcare>Free university>Free housing>Free gibsForcing other people to provide you goods and services is slavery. Period.
>>488990800>oh no not the cheap illegarino labor!!!>ehm, actually chud, we should pay these illegals a fair wage!Why is reddit like this? Don't they understand that if those illegals were paid a fair wage the price would increase just as much as if Americans had to do those jobs?
>>488991814>implying it's the products and buyers fault>when actually it the fucking ceos paying you significantly less money than inflation rates>while they give them selves massive bonuses and raises you're jewish
>>488991882Imagine if we spent it on persocom waifus instead of all that unnecessary garbage like jets and food.
most crops are harvested by big machinesillegal spics don't drive those machines.
>>488990800I've lived with high grocery prices for four plus years due to Biden and corporate gouging. I would be willing to live with them another four in exchange for not being able to buy mangoes and deporting 30 million browns. I can live with that.
>>488990800Did you know that illegal immigrants only account for at most 46% of agriculture? they dont have a majority presence on any US sector.Seethe more faggot.
>>488990800>"You don't understand goy! If we aren't using cheap, under the table, illegal labor then the price of your fruits and vegetables will be higher!!!!"I'm so tired.
It will end up saving money when there are fewer E. Coli Outbreaks because of no more illegal aliens.
>>488991882>>488992142remember the last time slaves became illegal?oh i remember, White people invented heavy machinery for agriculture.
>>488990923No that's socialism.
>>488990800How come food prices haven't decreased with all these illegals around? Instead they're incredibly high.
>>488991531Labor is only a small portion of the price of goods, prices will increase by the fucking penny but the corpo farmers will "lose out" on hundreds of thousands. What a disaster.You've been brainwashed by the jews into thinking we need indentured servants or we'll go under, there were a fuckload of countries that had a total stop on work visas during covid and they managed to do their harvests by offering locals pay that wasn't less than a fucking mcdonalds employee and their prices didn't skyrocket.Any society that requires slavery to function just so a small subsection of the population can live like kings doesn't deserve to exist and I'm tired of kikes and their retarded pragerU golems defending the practice.
>>488991715ALWAYS HAVE>When socialist liberals of "activist class" set the hills of California on fire to "raise awareness" socialist Kamala ordered round ups of young black men with a little weed and gave them 5 years on chain gangs clearing brush and fighting fires around the multimillion dollar neo-plantation homes of rich white socialist liberals of "donor class" that live in those hills.100% documented fact of history even if they refuse to talk about it. State institutionalized slavery for political favor and stealing years from the lives of those young black men because they are too cheap to pay them for their labor.
>>488990800Not real, and just more leftist fear mongering. See what they don't understand is, they can't just keep saying things will get bad, but they never fucking leave. THAT is how I know its lies. When democrats actually start leaving the USA in a big number, only then will I realize that america is in trouble. Just kidding, I'd throw a party instead.
>>488991882Automated vine crop harvesting (tomato, cucumber, peppers, etc.) has been the white whale for a while. There are some robots on the market but they haven't been widely adopted commercially because they aren't cost effective except in a few niche operations.
>>488990800Pro tip, don't eat fruit and vegetables
>>488991715Always have
how these fuckers admit they have an indentured slave class they like having and also say they feel bad for them in the same sentence never fails to amaze
>>488991715ALWAYS
>>488990800this guy is a retardagri workers are SEASONALS, they aren't illegals but get temp visasits the factory and construction workers, those kind of year round jobs that illegals do
>Fruits & vegetables won't be availableLeave Brit... the Vegans alone!
>>488991599You can say kikes here anon. Wasted digits.
Pay. Less. Shitty. Wages.Or do some godforsaken automation you fucking primitives. I still remember advocating for agricultural automation over twenty years ago when I was a kid.Importing foreign slaves is a primitive fucking solution when relying on robots would produce top-quality jobs and get rid of backbreaking labor. You know, the basic promise of automation? That nobody has to do the shittiest jobs on the planet anymore, and we can have safer, less sucky jobs producing and maintaining the equipment?We ought to have robot greenhouses!
>>488992271> because they aren't cost effective except in a few niche operations.Massive unprecedented deportation efforts seems like a worthwhile niche operation
>>488990800>If Trump is actually serious about his mass deportation plan.....Yeah don't worry about it
I'll do without lettuce.
ALWAYS have, and class warfare also to keep supply of slaves highhttps://www.wtae.com/article/charleroi-plant-contractor-investigation/62583118https://www.fox4news.com/news/august-jobs-report-us-born-job-losses-foreign-born-gainssocialism doesn't work even for a little while without oppressed worker slave classes
>>488990800>remove 20m mouths to feed>somehow food prices will go upThis is your brain on leftism.
>>488990800US citizens are willing to PAY the illegal aliens to fuck off at this point
>>488990800>dems are the actual slave owners arguing in favor of keeping slaves this timeWtf based, do I have change sides now?
>>488990800Yes idiots. You lazy faggots don't wanna do real jobs. You're system managers or social media marketing specialists.
>>488990800The vast majority of Mexicans working here in agriculture are here on work visas. They don't have to worry about being deported unless they overstay their visa. I know a dude who works on a farm, all the mexicans working for him have work visas, and all of them bounce between here to work and Mexico in the off season. To not do so would open up a can of worms and cause issues with the farm's taxes. Only sketchy farms would hire illegals without visas.
>>488990800Migrant workers can come here legally as they always have. They aren't the problem.
>>488990800My God, you're a massive fucking faggot.
>>488992078Add free police force, free firefighters and free federal agents to that that list.
>>488990800"If Lincoln is actually serious about mass abolition plans then you need to prepare for rising cotton prices"
>>488990800>hyperbolic nonsense: the post
>>488993224>>488992078And add public schools, basically free daycare for single mums.
>>488993391Also fixing roads I don't use.
>>488990800>unemployment is very low right nowif only he knew how unemployment was actually calculated
>>488990800If we paid real Americans real living wages instead of imported slave labor, the economy on the whole would be better. This bullshit lie is the reason our infrastructure, which our grandfathers built, is crumbling around us.It'll be painful at first, but even liberal arts majors can be taught how to pick fruits. Lord knows that's all they're good for.
>>488991814The "mom n pop" shops all carry the same chinkshit that the big box stores have, but at a 20-30% higher price. I'm not paying more for the same imported garbage just so the 3 employees there can make a living.
>>488993486Yep, in the US they only mark people as unemployed if they're actively seeking a job.Anyone who's given up looking isn't classified as unemployed. I'm sure there's other criteria to make it more difficult to be counted as unemployed, maybe you have to be getting unemployment benefits as well. They might've changed things.Just another way the government fucks with statistics.Same thing with inflation, only certain items make it onto the list of things that are tracked and for some strange reason the list gets more specific as prices increase.
>>488990800I'm going to start hitting people that talk this way. I'm done being civilized, return to monke.
>>488991203I’d eat Monica’s dog if ya feel me
>>488990800Heh cant even afford those now so idgf.
>>488990800>"Remember goyim, don't look over here at the 100+ other countries that immediately deport illegal immigrants. > Just take our word that they're all facing mass starvation because they pay $50 for a head of lettuce! >The only way to prevent this starvation is to flood your country with cheap, undocumented, BROWN labor (only brown illegals will suffice! No white ones!)> And anyone that says 90% of that undocumented labor actually goes to work in a non-agriculture sector is a racist bigot! Oy vey!"-Rabbi Kapitolstein
>>488991489memeflag reddit kike
>>488993812>It'll be painful at first, but even liberal arts majors can be taught how to pick fruits.They already do on Grindr
>>488991083>WITHOUT SLAVE LABOR IM GOING TO STARVEImagine the wealth and privilege of this brain dead bitch saying “I’m going to expand my garden” to deal with the issue. As if the average American has space and land for a garden, let alone the ability to expand it for self sustenance. I love how by pointing this out, these leftists out themselves as being perfectly okay with the exploitation of brown people for cheap prices. Pointing out that they’re even worse than republicans is literally making their brains explode because they don’t like being told their entire party platform about actually not being full of shit and being less evil is performative bullshit
Insurance premiums should go down with the drunk driving no insurance headlight out going the wrong way red light running shit deported.
>>488990800There was a study that found switching from illegal to legal labor barely increased the food price. It amounted to a single digit percentage rise.
>>488990800I couldn't finish reading it.Too full of liberal retardation.
>>488990800They do realize that the 40 million illegals also raise the price of goods through increased demand right? Lmfao. They don't benefit the economy unless you run a sweat shop.
>>488994427To be fair while the whole "we will need slaves to eat!" thing is a huge fucking cope, the other undocumented-led industries (custodial, transport drivers, deliverymen, construction) also pay like shit and nobody who has to worry about student debt (read: anyone who has graduated since the turn of the millennium) will ever give those a glance either. MAYBE salaries go up to livable after an essential worker shortage becomes obvious but I'm not holding my breath for richfags to act for the greater good fast enough.
>>488995173Bitch give me that study, I’m about to jerk off to the collective reees of a million commie faggots
>>488991531>this will massively increase labor costs of producers and might drive many smaller ones under.Retard, even "small family farms" the farmers live in fucking MANSIONS, I live in a rural area and I see them building mansions everywhere (and then selling their old house and a tiny bit of land for half a million dollars) to say nothing of the obscene profits the factory farms make.Farmers ABSOLUTELY can afford to pay fair wages for local labour, they're just greedy traitorous bastards who'd rather hire cheap scabs so they can pocket more wealth.
>>488990800LOL I guarantee the COCK SUCKERS who hire will demand a college degree, and 2 references, 3 years experience and a background check to pick fruit. I remember when I wanted a summer job picking apples locally and they wouldn't hire me LOL PICKING APPLES. I design circuit boards you cunt lol. Fuck them all
>>488990800The thing is most of the foreigners that work farms are here legally.
>>488996086Hiring today isn't based on qualification it's based on helplessness and whether you'll be dependent on the employer, rather than someone with whom the employer is trading money for work. The didn't refuse to hire you in spite of your qualities, they refused to hire you because of them.
>>488990800Actual Americans, aka Whites, are only 40% now, if we deport all the non americans, we'll have excess production.
>>488993049the americans who will do this type of shit are in the oilfield and on fishing boats and similar where you get paid reasonably for the conditionshow hard and unpleasant a job is doesn't necessarily line up with how profitable the product is
>>488990800>Democrats are socialists before election >Democrats are ancaps after election
>>488990800H8ge Kelly Osbourne energy.
>>488991531I think the overall good thing is that people will start getting paid a living wage
>>488996261This is extremely true. I've applied at fast food places when I was truly SOL before and was honest about my experience and qualifications and never got a call lol, I'm sure they believed (correctly), I'd work there for 2 weeks and go get a better job
>go on /pol/>get redditors discussing a reddit screencap on /pol/ instead
>>488995390>but I'm not holding my breath for richfags to act for the greater good fast enough.It's not even a moral thing, richfags would remain richfags even if they had to pay their lowest tier workers 200% more wage. It's just pure greed and if they had to pick between paying people more or company failure they'll pick the pay increase every time.
>>488996655Checked.It's more than that though, because high turnover is par for the course in fast food. And of course boomers will tell you to get one of these "easy" jobs if you're down on your luck. They don't care you quit quickly because that's normal in fast food (although if you can't that is a perk here too). What they want is someone they can overwork, underpay, who won't stand up for themselves, is too stupid to understand what a union is, etc.
>>488990923Thats what the post is about retard
>>488990800Because gas prices won't go down, right? If the cost of transporting goods is cut by more than half, the consumers won't see any of that relief, amirite?
>>488991531>this will massively increase labor costs of producersTranslation: This will massively increase wages for poor Americans, at the cost of rich food conglomerates.
>>488991531This H IS
>>488995561Nigga. The "wealthy" family farms youre talking about arent family farms anymore. Youre watching the farmers lazy children sell the land because farming is too hard for them, theyre selling their inheritance for a mcMansion. I see it all over the western US.
>>488992253T. Chud wikipedia economist
>>488990923Grow your own vegetables is legal for legal americans
>>488991706>Fully cooked >And then frozen Fucking disgusting vile americans holy shit kek
>but who will pick the cotton
>>488996957>What they want is someone they can overwork, underpay, who won't stand up for themselves, is too stupid to understand what a union is, etc.This is what every company hiring at any strata wants. See: jeets. You don't have to go in hostile like a dumb nigger "YOU'S RIPPIN ME OFF", but always remember the company is not your friend
>plebbit shit starting with the word ifyou already know this shit is going to be a bunch of retarded fanfic/what-if's
>>488990923Do you think paying employees more raises costs?Do you think companies will raise prices for the consumer to compensate for those raised costs?
>>488990800>Produce Picker 2000, do you speak Spanish?>Only if you change the language in the settings menu.
>>488990800Don't forget rising wages. Fuck it, bring on the higher prices. If it means reclaiming our country a bit and bringing back manufacturing and self-sufficiency, I'm down.
>>488991531Golly gee, how did the produce get picked during ww2? Oh we imported beaners then sent them back to beanland when the season was over. The other 9 months of the year we dont pay them welfare and let them shit out anchor babies.
>>488991019>The desire for cheap shit from overseas, whether it be be products or labor, is the reason the US is on the verge of being a 3rd world shithole.Actually, it's the only reason it's not a 3rd-world shithole.The only reason you still feel like the dollar still has a similar value to what it used to is because everything you can buy is made at a tenth the cost of US labor.
>>488997250Prove me wrong, jeet/jew.
>>488990800I grow most of the stuff I eatonce mexicans started pooping in the fields I said no
>>488997383blast freezing works great dude
>>488991386Correct. Economics is not an empirical science and most economists are charlatans that suck up to power.
>literally every vegetable has an e coli recall>uuummmm but it's gonna be more expensive
>>488997518> Do you think paying employees more raises costs?No, not with the colossal margins companies are making now. Every company wants better profits every quarter, but simultaneously never has enough to pay employees. They physically have the money to pay well, they just don't want to. If they actually lacked the money, they'd break every strike in the world simply by opening their books and proving they can't pay more. But of course they never do this, because they have the money.> Do you think companies will raise prices for the consumer to compensate for those raised costs?Companies will always try to maximize prices under any and all circumstances, yet somehow prices are only brought up when someone points out employees are underpaid.
>>488997518Yes. Yes.
>>488997675Some people do, which is why banks make money every single year.
>>488990800Hiring illegals is a felony.
>>488995089> As if the average American has space and land for a gardenSo many of you have useless lawns, why not grow food?
>>488990923Kys commie welfare queen
>>488992253>>488997603>Labor is only a small portion of the price of goodsTake a tomato: How much a tomato seed cost? How much does water for the plant cost?Now, almost everything else is the cost of labor. Whether it's tending, harvesting, sorting or shipping. The same with every other food. The same with every other good.A desk isn't the cost of wood because the skilled labor to create it is what brings the value.Don't believe me? Buy materials, and if you can figure out how to turn it a product without labor being most of your costs, you'll be right and rich. If not, you're just running your mouth online.
>>488990800>If there are less shitskins working the farms, then grocery prices will go upGrocery prices will actually go down because the deportations will reduce demand. Of the illegal immigrant demographic in the US, farm labour represents a tiny fraction, likewise, there are many citizens out of work who will then have the opportunity to work the jobs because the labour will be in demand.The real reason shitlibs and corpos are panicking about this is that citizens have to be paid fair wages, whereas you can effectively treat illegals as indentured slaves.
>>488997893People with enough money to afford a house (you can't garden if you're renting an apartment) have enough money they don't need to save money by gardening. Produce is literally the cheapest form of food available anyway so this has a poor ROI.
>>488995390The thing is though they only pay like shit because wages are suppressed by illegals. And if wages weren't suppressed, yes, you would have people willing to work those positions. That is quite literally why people go and work shit, dangerous jobs they hate like being an electrician, or an oil rig worker, or a plumber, or most other of hazardous blue collar employment: they pay nicely.What's actually insane is that people think jobs which are critical to this country's function and infrastructure should be paid, and treated like shit. The argument for slave labor was retarded and didn't work back then and it's retarded and doesn't work now for the same reason. Coincidentally, the same people making that argument (rich jews and their good goyim) then are also the ones making it now.
>>488990941Also automation is increasingly taking over. So more jobs for john deer. We tried to stop it from comming this, but we were just beiing racist and zenophobic. Now look at us?
>>488990800This will force the entire farming industry to modernise and automate their processes. In all honesty fuck farmers. They are one of the most passionate groups of people about mass illegal immigration because they benefit from it. If they automate they don't need bipeds anymore.
>>488997940>deport farm workers>this will lower demand more than it lowers supplyCope>citizens are about to be paid fair wages!!Ie destroy the American economy because you are jealous of 3rd world unskilled labor. Kys welfare queen
>>488997935Exploitation apologists like you always make broad, qualitative statements about the value labor provides. You never make quantitative/actuarial statements proving companies can't pay higher wages. This all comes down to a simple question of accounting. Do companies have the money or not? They do, or they wouldn't refuse to prove otherwise when facing union strikes or calls for wage increases.
>>488998044Are you insinuating that every single illegal performs farm labour? Because I'd like to see the numbers on that if you are (it'll make it easier to deport them)
>>488990800Nah it's a meme, theres always a flock of migratory workers that comes over to pick the produce. Like they're legally allowed to do it asling as they return.
>>488998017If they automate, all our food production will be owned by a few corporations who will control the market but also the countryside
OH NO NOT THE AVOCADOS!!!!! What will I season my toast with now fuckfuckfuck. FUCKING DONGLED GRUMPFFFFFFFFFFFDFDFDDDDDDDDD
lmao democrats are literally pro slave labor
>>488997803This is what would solve the entire thing overnight, mandatory jail time if you hire illegals. Trace it through the corporate shield high enough that the people giving orders get scared and the problem is over. It's the same as when a company is dumping poison in the river, you'll never get the CEO, but threaten with real consequences high enough up the chain of command people with authority start saying no.this doesn't happen unless very serious people who're committed to not using that seriousness to make money for themselves are involved
>>488998118How are illegal immigrants going to stop that lol.
>>488998135Avocados are simultaneously so worthless that they can't be harvested without slave labor, yet so expensive that they prevent gen z from owning houses.
>>488998153Weren't they always?
>>488997998Its straight up a jewish cultural trait to despise the people who work physical jobs. The western man should treat every job with dignity and respect. If a man can feed his family by being a school custodian or a garbage man good for him.
>>488990800Unemployment is low! Also so many have dropped out of the work force! Also if you deport 30 million illegals the demand for food will not change. That's the best part to me, the former jim crow party that clearly still puts having an underclass of underpaid 2nd class citizens as cheap farm labor, can't even fathom the consequences of their existence. They might as well be robot labor in their eyes. And yeah let's not talk about these handouts going to the underpaid migrant workers and the lessened tax burden if they were deported. They are brainwashed into subsidizing corporate mega farms paying $2 an hour for Venezualen farm hands that survive off of tax dollars and no surely a latinx criminal wanted for rape or murder would never legally immigrate to the US where the system is so bogged down they get years of amnesty sponsored by the American tax payer before their case even gets looked at. Don't forget too none of these handouts are even slightly financed by the illegal labor itself. You think they or the megacorp they serve are paying their fair share in taxes lmao? But yeah you're a nazi for opposing this
>>488990800Sudden loss of manpower.Increase of salaries to attract workersIncreased prices due to higher salariesReductions of consumptionLess overweight due to food being more expensiveHealthcare cost drops Less consumption => less co2.Trump fixed low wages,obesity crisis and global warming.Lefties think this is bad because they couldn't do it.
>>488990800Why does everyone absolutely refuse to hire Americans or pay a decent wage? They want white Americans to fight and die for their wars abroad but want you to pay premium prices just to be able to eat or you don't get to eat at all. Farmers get American tax payer subsidies so they should be required to hire American workers and White Americans should get free food since it is their tax payer money paying for it.
>>488990800If Lincoln is actually serious about abolishing slavery, then you need to prepare for soaring prices, especially sugar and cotton. It is literally inevitable.I you live in America prepare for crazy high food prices in the near future. I am skeptical about anything Lincoln says because he is perennially full of shit, but he actually seems very serious about his plans to end slavery.This WILL cause a severe shortage of farm workers. Its literally inevitable. Produce will rot in the fields as there are no workers to harvest it. Prices will go through the roof.Sugar is going to be expensive. Rice is going to be expensive. Cotton clothing will be unaffordable for many. Also I do believe this will impact the corn and tobacco industries.
>>488991250Yeah it's weird how they almost cheer Paco burning in the sun to pick fruit for dimes.
>>488990923How does $500 for a week of groceries sound?
>>488997940YeahWell, obviously, the garden variety democrat in the US has spent the past 25 years or so denying the negative impacts of illegals on our economy and social services.
>>488997743>No, not with the colossal margins companies are making now.The margin has nothing to do with the cost of labor. The cost of labor will go up when you pay more for it. And Americans will want more than illegals. They already do. See the efforts to raise the minimum wage that have been going on for decades.Your excuse might work for the second question. But it's not true.>https://fullratio.com/profit-margin-by-industryPay attention to the Net Profit Margin column. Read up on Gross and Net Profit while you're there too, since I know that your next arguments will be centered around them.>Companies will always try to maximize prices under any and all circumstancesWrong. They'll always try to maximize profits. Not the same thing. In any competitive market, they will try to minimize prices because if they don't, their customers will just buy the cheaper good. This already happened. This is the reason we have Chinese goods. Because Americans just bought the cheaper product and almost everyone who didn't manufacture in China either changed or went out of business.
>>488998250Unemployment is low but men are collapsing the economy by refusing to work.
>>488990800Finally they'll lose weight.
>>488998200Schrodingers avocado
>>488990879FPBP /thread
>>488998383If Trump goes through with it and things improve, it's a rhetoric loss for them they won't easily recover from. Hell, even if what they fear happens, the US is a net exporter anyway, just reduce exports until costs level out. It'll be even better if HFCS is banned or more tightly regulated so more land can be used for growing shit other than corn.
>>488998090>Exploitation apologistsNigger, do you have a cellphone? Do you know how many third worlders died to make it? Muh exploitation though. Kek.>>488998090>You never make quantitative/actuarial statements proving companies can't pay higher wages.I literally just did here: >>488998424It depends on industry, but look at agriculture, for example: 1% net profit margin.And btw, they can pay higher wages. They'll just charge the consumer more in the process. They always have and always will. Unless you try pricing controls. How did that work out for communist countries like Venezuela? Oh, yeah. They were eating rats to survive.
>>488998044>this will lower demand more than it lowers supplyKicking millions of people who shouldn't be in your country out wouldn't lower demand in a big way? Why would the supplies decrease when they will have to hire actual Americans to do the jobs plus only a tiny amount of those people that would be deported even work at farms.>Ie destroy the American economy because you are jealous of 3rd world unskilled labor. Kys welfare queenIf the economy is built this way than it should be destroyed. The US economy is there to serve the needs of the American people not the people serve the economy. The economic system right now is absolutely anti-American and therefore should not exist anymore.
>>488991531>1pbtidWhich is just as well. Anon you are retarded.
>>488990800How many more mental midgets don't know how the H2A visa program works? It's super easy to be a crop picker LEGALLY. They WON'T get deported.Whatever. Just believe propaganda and garden harder. Should be doing that anyway.
>>488998424> The margin has nothing to do with the cost of laborYou're kidding right? Any increase in costs reduces your profit margin.> And Americans will want more than illegalsEveryone "wants" as much as they can get. Illegals (de facto slaves) will *take* less because they have no legal recourse and are in debt to cartels. Did actual antebellum slaves "want" less than Americans?> Wrong. They'll always try to maximize profits. Not the same thing. In any competitive market, they will try to minimize prices because if they don't, their customers will just buy the cheaper good.No, you are wrong and your answer is sophistry. Companies want the highest prices they can *possibly* charge. If raising it beyond some threshold reduces profit (say because customers will go to the competition) that just means that threshold is the max. They will set their price to that max. You might as well argue that "Oh yeah, if companies want to maximize prices, why doesn't everything cost infinity dollars!??!"
>>488998601Except, my wine sipping retard, here's the rub: all food prices in this country are already determined by the government because the government subsidies, licenses, and regulates all of our domestic producers. As a second point of fact, in a genuinely free market, produce is only going to be charged whatever the majority of people will actually pay for. If the "actual" value of a head of lettuce is 10 dollars post deportation, that doesn't matter, because no one will pay ten dollars for a head of lettuce. It will be whatever people are willing to actually pay for a head of lettuce.And they will continue to grow lettuce because they will lose their subsidy if they do not produce (X) heads of lettuce per the terms of their subsidy.By the way, across the board, every single company and business owner can afford to pay higher wages. They just choose not.
>>488998250>Also if you deport 30 million illegals the demand for food will not change.Deport 30 million...? Ha. HAHAHA!AHAHAHAHAHAHA!Did you hear Trump's acceptance speech?https://www.nbcmiami.com/decision-2024/donald-trump-victory-speech-presidential-election/3466001/>We're gonna have to seal up those borders, and we're gonna have to let people come into our country. We want people to come back in, but we have to let them come back in.>we have to let them come back in.>we have to let them come back in.>we have to let them come back in.>we have to let them come back in."Legally" though.
>>488991531>Americans aren't going to work 14 hours days for peanuts. they'll want an actual decent wage and proper labor conditionsYou make that sound as if that is a bad thing. What are Americans supposed to do compete with 3rd world labor? It basically becomes a race to the bottom at that point so you might as well come out and say Americans need to become indentured servants in order to compete with people who shouldn't be in the country in the first place. Adapt or go under it is as simple as that.>this will massively increase labor costs of producers and might drive many smaller ones under. Who do you think will pay the increased cost?Farmers recieve massive amounts of American tax payer subsidies in some form or another. Why is it okay to get American tax money but not hire Americans? If the farms can't adapt relying entirely on essentially slave labor they should go under and they have only themselves to blame and no one should pity them.
>>488990923Ironically and as things stand the only way for farming labour to earn good money is for production to drop so low that prices skyrocket, if the producer is selling greens at 5c per bunch what's left for the labour? They bust their back all day to earn 20 euros.
>>488998221Pretty muchI can always detect the size of an anon's nose based on what he thinks of "low skill labor">>488998598Yeah, agreed, although it is almost a guarantee that things will work out nicely - especially the tariffsNot a single shill can answer this question: "why is it that almost every country we trade with can tariff us and benefit from it, yet we can't benefit from a tariff when our government used to be funded primarily by tariffs?"because every time they try, they wind up actually just proving why and how tariffs work. Like that time China enacted a 210% tariff on aussie wine.
>>488998601> Nigger, do you have a cellphone?Muh heckin iPhone! Actually I don't. Smartphones have been a disaster for society.> the rest of your postThese aren't internal figures, these are the reported BS numbers that companies construct to keep le number going up. Like how tons of crops report losses every year to avoid taxes. I'm sure if someone were to point those companies out to you as evidence that "capitalism was failing" you'd reply that those are just BS tricks they have to use to avoid oppressive taxation (which is actually true). You can't have it both ways though.
>>488998930> HAHA MIGAtards trump won't deport anyone> You should have totally voted for Kamala though, she would have been much better on immigration
>>488998872>You're kidding right? Any increase in costs reduces your profit margin.I asked if labor costs would go up if you fired all illegals and hired Americans. You said no because profit margins are currently high. Non sequitur. Your answer here shows you know you were wrong in your previous answer. Costs for companies would go up, regardless of whether they have high profit margins, which they do not in many cases.>Illegals (de facto slaves) will *take* lessI accept your concession. Thank you again for admitting you were wrong.>Companies want the highest prices they can *possibly* charge.Again, this is wrong and stupid. You can "possibly" raise prices to a million dollars a tomato. But companies won't do that because of competition and because their market can't pay it. I think the word you're looking for is realistically. And it's not sophistry. It demonstrates your lack of understanding.>>488998894>all food prices in this country are already determined by the government because the government subsidies, licenses, and regulates all of our domestic producers.That's not the same as price controls, dumbfuck.
>>488990800If true this will lead to more automation in farming. Rather than 5 guys with buckets washing your car you get an automatic carwash.
>>488999255I quoted Trump, retard. He wants to "let them back in."Say it with Trump now:>we have to let them come back in.>we have to let them come back in.>we have to let them come back in.
>nooo I can't pay illegals $2/hr to harvest veggies anymore
>>488999419Essentially, yes.Thank you, sir, ma'am or Thai ladyboy for your adroit summation.
>>488999046> based on what he thinks of "low skill labor"Taking that further, the whole idea of assessing a man's value based on skill/labor is crazy anyway. Do we not reward athletes for prowess in brute strength or endurance, rather than skill? Does increasing automation mean all human lives are less valuable? Insanity.
>>488999520It meansIf artificial life is not worth as much as ours we ain't worth much alive
>>488999281I didn't say they were, and I like how you decided to resort to jewish pilpul instead of directly addressing or rebuffing my point - because you couldn't. Now denounce the Talmud you slimy kike.
>>488999098>Muh heckin iPhone! Actually I don't. Smartphones have been a disaster for society.Another Uncle Ted larper kek. We totally believe you, faggot. You're the last payphone user in America or you never leave the house.>>488999098>These aren't internal figures, these are the reported BS numbersSure, and not like the numbers you're pulling out of your ass when you claim they have insane profit margins.
>>488990800Import the third world, become the third world.Deport the third world, become the first world.
>>488997518If those companies make a healthy profit every year they can easily afford to absorb the cost of wage increases
>>488999371You lost.
>>488990800>Do you know any of them? I dont. Sheesh, you couldn't sound any less of a silver spooned cunt.
>>488999622I denounce the Talmud. And?I guess that means you admit you were wrong too. Kek.
>>488999692>You lost.I'm a registered Republican and I didn't vote for either of these retards.
>>488997935Labor is not the same as storage and transportation cost and the fact you're conflating them makes me believe you're either exceptionally unintelligent or your ancestors unfortunately escaped the gas chambers.Wages have never been bulk of cost in food production (hell, this is true in pretty much every industry) but penny pinching saves millions of dollars every year for corporations so they look to cut corners everywhere to maximize returns.You cannot compete with slaves wages, not as an employer, not as an employee and as a civilized society we shouldn't tolerate it no matter how many dipshits use their fucktarded logic they learned from choking on some pragerU speakers cock.
>>488999680It's not that simple in the US, companies are legally required to place shareholders over employee or consumer benefit, it's why every US corporation is deathly afraid of profit loss, because the shareholders have so much power over them. Ford vs Dodge set the precedent for it.
Oh no a thread of blue good, red bad bullshitYou can always tell a lefty kiked psyop thread when OP gives pasta from plebbit>You need to fucking go back cunt
>>488999281>>488997518>Do you think companies will raise prices for the consumer to compensate for those raised costsYeah so the answer is no, and you explained here why that is:>But companies won't do that because of competition and because their market can't pay itSo by your own admission it wouldn't raise prices on consumers because they would get fucked by competition, unless there's price fixing or some kind monopolization going on. The only time increased operation costs would affect consumer prices is if the costs goes above what consumers are willing to pay for the product, in that case the business just doesn't survive obviously. Really it's all about supply and demand, the only reason food prices increased the last couple of years is because the government pumped a bunch of money into the economy, thus driving up demand.
>>488999636> Do you own an iphone?no> Oh gee that wasn't the answer I wanted I'll just ignore it haha>>488999757> Trump won't deport anyone!<chart proves the contrary>> Oh gee that wasn't the answer I wanted I'll just ignore it haha> I'm a registered Republican and I didn't vote for either of these retards.You supported Kamala. Got it.> I'm pro free market but slavery is good!> American's don't deserve good pay and economic prosperity! Multinational corporations are great though!Another typical neocon.
>>488990800ILLEGAL immigrants. not just "immigrants".this better be the first post in that reddit thread
>>488999981>Labor is not the same as storageI didn't bring up storage for a reason. Foodstuffs aren't typically stored long-term.Transportation is often largely labor. People load the goods, people drive and/or ship the goods. You have a lot of equipment and gas costs in there too, but when you're transporting large amounts of goods, these tend to be mitigated by volume.>Wages have never been bulk of cost in food productionNever said the bulk. But it is a large portion.>You cannot compete with slaves wages, not as an employer, not as an employeeThis is literally my point, nitwit. And it means that costs will go up.
>>489000138>Yeah so the answer is no, and you explained here why that is:Except every producer in the market is relying on cheap labor. So all the companies will be affected by higher costs simultaneously.This is why we have higher prices right now. It's amazing that the same people who were crying "I can't afford groceries!" 15 days ago are now swearing that companies will never raise prices on them just because their costs go up.LMAO
>>488990800Prices for everything have been skyrocketing with unprecedented immigration, why would allowing it change anything when it clearly hasn't
>>489000267>>489000397Massive influx of defacto slave laborPrices skyrocket anyway despite more efficiency then ever
>>489000184>> Do you own an iphone?>no>> Oh gee that wasn't the answer I wanted I'll just ignore it hahaFuckwit, I said "CELLPHONE."Strange how an Uncle Ted larper like you immediately thought of an iPhone and not a Nokia or an Android. Almost like you have an iPhone. Funny.><chart proves the contrary>Did he deport them all last time? Did he just say he wants to "let them come back"?>You supported Kamala. Got it.I did not. Nice try though.>Another typical neocon.I never said any of this was good. Just that prices will go up if you deport all the illegals. But Trump won't. He'll probably give millions of them amnesty or work permits. Because "muh legally."
>>489000596Prices skyrocket because Trump (yes, Trump) printed over 7 trillion dollars, and then Biden printed more right after him.None of this has anything to do with what you're already admitted: companies will raise prices if illegals are replaced by Americans.Not that this will happen though. Pie in the sky from 2016.
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>>488990800>costs go up>but so do the wages
>>489000890That is literally inflation.
>>488990800>unemployment is very very lowBull fucking shit
>>488990923But that'd be WORSE than Communism!
>>489000267This snake logic is so fucking stupid.>uhm, actually the reason why everything is so expensive is labor>the fleet of vehicles that cost multiple millions of dollars used to deliver the produce is expensive because labor was used to make and maintain it>the machines used for sorting produce costs a lot because of the labor that was used to make and maintain it>the ships used to transport goods between nations is expensive because of the labor that was used to make and maintain it>the trains used to transport the goods between hubs is expensive because...This delicate ecosystem will absolutely crash if we ditch slave labor and pay a proper wage to the guys on the ground causing uncontrolled increases in the price of food.Except it won't, because wages are a small part of the costs of running a business and this is entirely made up bullshit to justify the ever increasing profits of the ruling elite as the retarded golems defend their masters.As I stated in the original post prices will rise you tremendous retard, but prices rising is not the same as uncontrollably or unaffordable. Costs go up pennies on the dollar which mean nothing at a macro level but are the difference between the CEO getting a bonus of 20 million or 16
>>489000931correct yet also incorrect at the same time
>>489001030putting a hard cap on what a CEO can make would help tremendously in the long run>but they'll just flee!good, un fucking ironically
>>489000670> Fuckwit, I said "CELLPHONE."What you did is to ask a question and then dismiss the answer when it wasn't what you wanted. When everyone says cell phone they mean smartphone these days. And "muh heckin iPhone" is the meme.> Did he deport them all last time? Did he just say he wants to "let them come back"?Moving goalposts. Trump was the best president we've had with regard to immigration since the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, and will continue to be. You're speculating about out of context quotes. I'm observing historical data.> But did he deport EVERY SINGLE IMMIGRANTStraw man> Just that prices will go up if you deport all the illegals.No. Companies will gnash their teeth and pay up. Even if what you suggest were the case, people with more money can actually afford to buy the things they produce. This is why Henry Ford was successful.
>>488990800And just like that redditors are now suddenly against living wages.
>>488998306Please respond to the faggot redditor with this its beautiful
>>488990800Okies and White farmers used to pick our produce, why can't we just pay them a living wage and the execs take a 10 - 20 percent pay cut annually?LOL LMAO
>>489000850No, prices went up because companies realized they could use the covid crisis to get away with raising prices. Which is why corporate profits hit record highs. If inflation were the cause, profits would not have increased since the companies would be subject to the increased costs associated with inflation, even if prices did.
>>489001255plot twist: they always were
>>489001030They are doing same shit here with NHSwe need more foreigners to work NHS, did uncontrolled migration cause strain on NHS?oh noes we need more migration to keep NHS running
>>488997250Not a rebuttal nor an argument, off-brand toothpaste poster.
>>488990800If farms hire illegals they deserve to go broke. the entire point of farm subsidies is to hire local folk.
>>488999730Thanks for denouncing the Talmud, but you still didn't address my post and that makes you a bitch. Blow me.
>>488998930I am not a zion don supporter retard. I would still rather have the illegals trickle in than whatever the fuck is happening now however. Obviously closed borders is off the table, it's anti semitic. The country is fucked and I have little hope for it ever to get better than it is now but that does not mean I can't shit on the retarded normalized takes on this subject.
>>489001413does denouncing the talmud even do anything when a jew can simply go "oy vey it was to trick the goyim!" then pass their sin onto a chicken and kill it?
>>489001151>When everyone says cell phone they mean smartphone these days. And "muh heckin iPhone" is the meme.Again, you have a cellphone. You are a liar for claiming not to have a cellphone. You benefit from the kind of exploitation you were deriding.You are a hypocrite.>Moving goalposts. Trump was the best president we've had with regard to immigrationTrump has openly said he wants to invite illegals back into the country. He has openly said he wants to increase immigration and says we need to give green cards to junior college grads "automatically.">Straw manI'm not the one arguing he's going to deport 30 million illegals. Did he last time or not?>No. Companies will gnash their teeth and pay up.Why didn't they do that when inflation hit? Why are all the grocery prices so expensive?>This is why Henry Ford was successful.MIGA!
>>489001515> zion donThere it is> I would still rather have the illegals trickle inThere it is> Obviously closed borders is off the tableThere it is> The country is fucked and I have little hope for it ever to get betterThere it is
Americans just got permission to cleanse their state of ethnic vermin, Trump is letting you do it not doing it for you.Get ten guys together, block a road and start checking people's papers. Normalise militia activity, normalise giving guns to random people, normalise marshalling the populos.Take over your local grocery store, hand out ration cards, force illegals to buy their groceries through other people because it burns the people giving ration cards to illegals. No matter how rich someone is, they cannot pay to stop you. The Jews who control a million illegals will be forced to actually feed and house them, and at that point you've got them all in one place and you tighten the noose.
I honestly do not understand what is the liberals' point here. The prices in Murrica are low because they're employing illegal immigrants allowing them to cut down heavily on wages and labour conditions. So it all depends on illegally exploiting the workers. If you legalized these illegals they'd have to be paid the legal minimum wage and have proper legal working conditions and benefits and thus the prices would also rise in exactly the same fashion as if you just deported the lot.
Blumpf isn't going to do anything.
>>488990941No, your "foods" are complete banned since they contain excess amounts of toxic chemicals. Your meats are banned because they contain absurd amounts of hormones and antibiotics.
>>489001619and when he does you'll say "nothing ever happens" forever and ever
>>488995089The average American does have enough space for a garden. Also just a quarter acre of potatoes can feed a family of five year round. Only urban scum is fucked and that's a good thing.
>>489000850>Prices skyrocket because Trump (yes, Trump) printed over 7 trillion dollars, and then Biden printed more right after him.Actually, the money printer will go brrrrr regardless of who is president because we owe so much money to the banks and have owed them that for a long time. We will continue to owe the until 2050.>https://www.scribd.com/doc/60553686/GAO-Fed-Investigation#outer_page_14416.1 trillion dollars were promised from the govt to the banks. Biden running the money printer like he did during COVID while ALSO shutting down our economy is why our prices went up, because he did so in excess of the scope of the system.Retard.
>>488990800i've never seen a mexican farmer in my life and i live in the midwest where it's only farms. dude thinks all of the US is california
>>489000397>So all the companies will be affected by higher costs simultaneouslyRetard, you're literally just contradicting yourself now.>printed over 7 trillion dollarsHe printed it and then gave almost all of it to businesses. I thought allowing businesses to keep more money lowers costs? Uh oh looks like your retarded logic falls apart again. Faggot.
>>489001517Jews wouldn't denounce the Talmud because they fear rabbis more than God, and nlove their traditions more than God's word. See when they Killed God's son because the rabbis told them to for more on this.Besides, none of this has anything to do with the argument. It was just a desperate attempt for him to weasel out. Very Jewish, actually. Maybe he should denounce the Talmud.
>>488990800No. Agriculture is mechanized now. Mexicans picking fruit is an obsolete technique.
>>488990800So they admit that agriculture is sustained on the backs of slave labor of people from third world countries?
>>489001818agriculture is sustained through artificial scarcity and absurd "quality standards"
>>489001752Grand farming is completely mechanized and now they're even using computer controlled tractors so of course you wouldn't see spics. Even cattle ranches wouldn't need spics.
>>489000850>Prices skyrocket because Trump (yes, Trump) printed over 7 trillion dollars, and then Biden printed more right after him.Presidents don't print money you retard.
Yes an tariffs will make things more expensive as well. You need to start saving now. It's going to get worse then significantly better.
>>489001769Ah, a Christian who thinks the old testament is God's word. Let me ask you something, what's your take on the morality of circumcision as prescribed in the old testament?
>>489001876Obligatory link for when >>489001769inevitably says what the independent Fed does is the president's fault https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRZM-Q2E-9A
>unemployment is very very lowYou only have to work 1 hour every 3 months to avoid being classed as unemployed. Unemployment is a load of shit
>>489001517Sort of. Usually they start shitting and pissing themselves after you call them out like that, but professional shills tend to keep their cool. It's how I decide whether or not I think someone is an actual shill or just some stupid faggot being retarded.
>>489001753>you're literally just contradicting yourself now.No, I'm not. If your competition is affected by the same cost increases, they won't be able to keep their prices low either. Especially not when you're working on the 1 to 2% margin typical in food production.>>489001753>He printed it and then gave almost all of it to businesses. I thought allowing businesses to keep more money lowers costs? Uh oh looks like your retarded logic falls apart again. Faggot.I take it you think everyone who got a COVID stimulus was a business.Again, I am talking about monetary inflation when referring to the money printing. The value of the dollar is lower.
>>489002033Also every regime mouthpiece is screaming that men are dropping out of the workforce at record rates. Which is it?
>>489002033America actually has a lower employment rate than any of the Nordic countries.
>>489001572You literally misinterpreted half of my first post, and ignored my anti jewish sentiment in the second post. What do you want anon? Retards like you are the only hope for the west and you have zero reading comprehension? Yeah trump is gonna fix shit lmao his whole family is married to jews his supposed cabinet is more jewish than his last and he is outwardly frustrated about how the current administration isn't more concerned with a blank check to israel. You're retarded
>>489001769>UH OH HE BTFO ME SO IM IGNORING ALL OF THE THINGS HE SAID AND KVETCHING>HE'S THE ONE BEING JEWISH FOR CALLING ME OUT ON MY JEWISH BEHAVIORI denounce the Talmud and the illegitimate state of Israel. Now cry harder.
>>489001932>Let me ask you something, what's your take on the morality of circumcision as prescribed in the old testament?The New Testament literally says not to do it and that we're free from the law of the Old Testament. Not a gotcha for anyone who isn't a Schofield victim.
>>488990800tl;dr, jews will need to pay americans.
>>488990800No it's not.Never forget Marxists don't know anything about economy.They discovered indirect taxation for the first time. They're fucking retarded.They discovered higher wages impact price. And these people protest minimum wage like it's a real issue, even though less than 1% of people make minimum wage and it's like kids who wouldn't get hired for anything otherwise.But the reason they're wrong is that they are doing the math as if immigrants only produce. So stupid they are forgetting immigrants don't just produce, they also consume. And they are a net negative overall. Every immigrant you remove means cheaper housing, less tax burden, cheaper living costs.
>>488990800Who the fuck eats fruit? Hurr durr let me work for money and use some of that money to buy fruit... Wtf???
>>489002095> You literally misinterpreted half of my first post,No I didn't. You're pro illegal labor, think Trump is a shill for Israel, don't believe closing the US borders is possible, and are a blackpilled nihilist in general.> Yeah trump is gonna fix shit lmao his whole family is married to jews hisThis may shock you but in 2024 the de facto patriarch of a family can't control who the rest of his family marries.
>>489002161Ok but you think God commanded it to be done by Jews in the old testament right?
>>488990800My body count is around 35. My wifes was 0 when we met. Im 33 she is 22. It’s the natural way.
>>488990800>implying farmers aren't already firing their illegals in anticipation>implying they aren't panic hiring citizens so they don't have even more lossesYou people do not understand business or economics.
>>489001876That's an entirely different kind of inflation anyway. The only thing that would go down is the value of the dollar which is as strong as ever.
>>489002281Jesus fucking christ this board is ruined since they banned the trump reddit. No I am not pro immigrant. And yeah you stupid faggot trump is pro israel. How the fuck are you even denying this? The election is over why are you continuing to spill your retarded jewish sperm out of your mouth and onto this board?
>>489002312There is a philosophical reason for this, the putting off of the flesh. The denying of the natural strength. But forget about that for a moment.Ask yourself if you think that God is unjust for telling Jews, and only Jews, to cut off a piece of their dicks.Are you going to lose any sleep at night knowing that Jews are forever cutting parts of their dicks off? Will this really bother you? And consider Jewish behavior as described in the OT and now. Do you think that maybe circumcision was prescribed to them for a reason?Just saying.
>massive influx of illegal immigrants for the last 4 years>grocery price have been souring for the last 4 years?????????????
>>488997893the other guy's answer is correct, but i want to add:in MANY places in the US, it's literally against the rules to turn your lawn into a garden.the back lawn might be fine, because it's more "private", but there are known stories about people growing food and herbs on their front lawn, only for their city government or their HOA to insist it must be replaced with grass. if the resident chooses to not comply, then the city will send a 3rd party over to dig up all the vegetables/weeds and plant grass over it, then send a bill to the resident for the labor.
>>489002215Just browns alone are almost 600k per capita over one lifetimeThat's 36000000000000 - thirty six TRILLION just on beaners over a course of an average of 80 years. Which means that EVERY YEAR beaners put 450000000000 - four hundred and fifty billion - dollars of strain on the budget of our social services.
>>488990923The fact that they themselves would only want American wages but don't care that some undocumented guy gets paid pittance says it all. And I thought they cared about people.
>>489002561There it is folks. Genitally mutilating kids is fine, but only if Jews do it!> Ask yourself if you think that God is unjust for telling Jews, and only Jews, to cut off a piece of their dicks.All children are innocent. Nobody deserves that.> Are you going to lose any sleep at night knowing that Jews are forever cutting parts of their dicks off?OT also requires Jews to circumcise their slaves. I assume you're fine with that as well.
>>488990800Antfia communists habe not heard about the force work gangs where there roinded up and are forced to work at gun point harvesting cotton. Its fitting for a communist to do hard labour.
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>>488990800On the bright side it should help with the grid power and also with our water conservation. There is always a silver lining in everything.
>>488990800Food should be expensive.
>>489002710>Genitally mutilating jewsftfyIf Jews want to cut their dicks off, let them.Nice try though.>All children are innocent.Oh, the poor little Jew babies. Oy vey, won't someone think of the children?!And no, I do not care about Jew slaves, many of whom were probably Jews or other middle easterners, 4000 years ago.You must feel pretty assblasted about losing the deportation argument to reach this hard for a gotcha.
>>489002578>>488997893It depends on where you liveI live out in the sticks and don't have any faggot HOA or city ordinance telling me I can't grow things in my own yard. I have my own garden. But as other anons pointed out, if you live in a Home Owners Association, in an apartment or just in any kind of urban center in general you're quite literally not allowed to.There's also the soil problem. If you live somewhere with shit soil you'll need to buy ass loads of fertilizer and till the soil of your lawn constantly just to get anything to grow. Which again, if you live in a HOA shlomo shekelstein is going to crawl up your ass because>Oy vey! Tilling your lawn like that is lowering the property value of the other properties in this HOA, stupid goy! Our lawns have to MATCH otherwise my brother's sister's cousin's husband who is an inspector for the bank will give us a lower price the next time we re-mortgage!
>>489001269done
>>488992253>Any society that requires slavery to function just so a small subsection of the population can live like kings doesn't deserve to existYou've just described modern capitalism, except those slaves are abroad and the average citizen doesn't mind them. At home people just manage credit from around the world to eat more resources and capital up and to inflate their own GDP as well.
>>489003135Give us a link bro
>>489002065This too>>489002086I'd believe that
>>488991531>Americans aren't going to work 14 hours days for peanuts. they'll want an actual decent wage and proper labor conditions. this will massively increase labor costs of producers and might drive many smaller ones under.This will lead to mechanization of american agriculture and well paid jobs for american service technicians.
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>>488991489seek help
>>489003018> Oh, the poor little Jew babies. Oy vey, won't someone think of the children?!Don't you want to win them to Christ? Typical hypocrite. I know something was rotten with you when you argued against Americans making a decent wage. I bet you believe age of consent laws are a Jewish scam too, right?
>>488990879This. Vegetables are a scam. White people thrive off of meat and dairy.
>>488990800>I am now planning on massively expanding my gardenSince Trump was elected, women are closing their legs and libtards are going into gardening.Nature is healing.
>>488990923>>>/leftypol/
>>488997675Actually it became an empirical science, using induction as well in modern textbooks but it's very recent and it's considered "alternative economics" by the mainstream even tho central banks agree with the new stuff.
>>488998356that's what i already pay you fucking faggot
>>489003159This is why libshits also lose their minds about our upcoming tariff policy to force US companies to stop using foreign sweatshop labor btw
>>489003393If economics didn't adhere to consistent principles, banks wouldn't continue to make money year after year. Just because the knowledge isn't widespread or given out in regime textbooks doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>488990800Literally all of my local fruits are picked in Mexico and Central America and shipped here. The prices are just going to ho down further, dumbfuck Liberals
>>488990800>They're deporting the slaves. Now everything will be expensive. Don't you care about the rising co- I mean slaves?Lol
>>489003471Anytime someone's argument boils down to "but we just NEED slaves" you know they're pieces of shit. Dinesh D'Souza was absolutely right about the Democrat party.
>>489003493you mean all the banks that dont even follow economics and are completely over leveraged and over financialized and have no actual fractional reserves
>>489003742Oh they're dishonest and fuck, they just understand the economic principles of what they're doing.
>>488990800https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzaaSIEDg7s
>>488990800Dude an apple is already a dollar, how much worse can it get?
>>488990800I believe its something like 3% of immigration is for agriculture. They typically have work visas.
>>488990923Could you explain how you can increase wages for farmworkers without increasing food prices?
>>489001659No, most of the world does buy our food including Japan.
>>489004133How is it that us europoors can afford food despite making less money than you?
>>489004133Sure. Companies give more of the profits to the farmworkers, and still profit themselves. Is that so hard to understand?
>>489001659You wish you could eat my meat you faggot
>>489003938You just don't understand, farmers could totally price fix to sell apples at 10$ a pop, but they don't need a second mansion right now and/or they are God's chosen people so they don't and you should be sucking their dick for their benevolence. But if you even thing of raising the price of growing a single apple from 1 pennies to 2 they will unleash their wrath upon ye.
>>489004133Farm workers are not representative of mass migration
>>489004487The price of produce bottoming out is part of the consolidation and financialization of the food industry. Watch rfk explain how china took over a major part of pork production in americahttps://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1854262536046100731
>>4890041331.) less than 5% of all illegals work in ag2.) illegals consume 450 billion dollars every year in social services. deportation will be key in deflation, which will lower food cost both because there is less drain on the economy from supporting them and because demand for produce will go down because there are 60 million less mouths to feed.3.) Playing devil's advocate with this point: the government provides subsidiaries to all commercial farms, as well as licenses and regulates them. They could afford it even if your supposition were true. That ~5% of ag illegal workers being deported means those farms will either take less of that tax money for their own pocket, gnashing their teeth impotently, or they'll make up the loss by mechanizing and increasing the efficiency of their output. As I point out elsewhere in the thread, the price of the food will never increase more than what Americans are willing to pay for it, because these farms MUST produce (X) of (Y) to keep their subsidies. Therefore the cost of food in this case, regardless of whatever the "value of a head of lettuce should be" is, the actual price it sells for will never exceed the price Americans will pay for that item unless the government intervenes and engages price controls, which is what Kamala wanted to do.
>>489004760Can you get someone to say that who isn't a nepobabby or who doesn't sound like they are about to die?
>>489001659The US is the world's top food exporter, though. Our actual raw produce is often fine to consume because it meets foreign regulatory standards. It's just that what we have left to use within the country is shit like californian produce grown with sewage as fertilizer, and "food products" created with industrial byproducts. This is what RFK Jr.'s policy proposals are aimed at tackling.
>>488990923Holy This.
>>489005337Nah, if you pay americans living wages then the prices have to go up, because they just do ok? Capitalism is basically like a perfected karma system, which is why jews are always at the top, always.
>>489005286It actually hard to find a short and concise clip like that it thoroughly explains the who what when where and why like a journalist should do
>>489005471Do you mean caste system?
>>489005691No, karma. Giving poor people money is evil.
>>489005877> Giving poor people money is evil.Are you being sarcastic?
>>488990800Any country that relies on slave labour needs to collapse.
>>489005991He's a schizophrenic semite, don't mind him
>>488990800Good. People should go back to having their own gardens.
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