I don't really give a fuck if we get nuked at this point. I'm not suicidal, but I'm pissed that I keep getting threatened with nuclear war, we're going to get nuked anyway. The reality is you either let Russia subjugate you and get Berlined, or you dare stand up against Russia and they threaten to nuke you anyway. The result is the same, I'm going to die. It's completely fucked up that a single country can blackmail the planet with nuclear war and sets a terrible precedent for generations. Let me kill an entire group of people and wipe out its culture, or I kill everyone. You either accept subjugation, you fight and get nuked trying. It's absolutely nigger tier behaviour.You can literally salami any country at your leisure, just take small towns, maybe a city. UN threatens intervention, you cry nuclear war, everyone backs off. Repeat. Or you be greedy and go do a Putin.
>Full commitment.
>>489006705you can go to ukraine right now, not everybody has a dog in this game
>>489006705you'd lose, badly, quickly. it will be the end of your State.
>>489006956That's the whole point of my post.
>>489006705>wewho is we and why should I care if you get vaporized?
>>489006932Everyone has skin in this game. Your entire lifestyle will collapse regardless of where you are or live. Fucking aboriginals will be feeling the consequences of WW3. They did during WW2. You're an absolute retard.
>>489006705the only reason i don't mind if this escalate is to see uk wiped out
>>489007052>Economy>Healthcare>Supply chains>RadiationI may be vaporised, but it's you who will be alive during the aftermath. I must be retarded trying to explain this to a south american.
>>489007133You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>489007237>he only reason i don't mind if this escalate is to see uk wiped outWestern Europe will be wiped out, you'll either be cannabalising or picking individual grains off the floor for nutrition.
>>489007287People will be trying to kill you for drops of toothpaste.
>>489006705THIS IS A KIKES THREADIGNORE KIKES THREADGOYMS SHULD NOT DIE IN KIKES WARSTHIS IS A KIKES THREADIGNORE KIKES THREAD
>>489007133then Ukraine should sign a peace deal. right?
>>489007273global south will be fine, you just won't, fuck around and find out, good news is Israel will be vanished along with you.
>>489006705Stop spying on us if you don't like threatsI don't even publish them you need to spy on me to read them
>>489007667Let's say Ukraine takes the peace deal, what's stopping America, Russia or China doing this in the future? Because it's clearly and obviously working right now. And what if a country decides it needs nukes to deter this aggression and secure its independence? We go back to the nuclear blackmail once more. It's a lose lose lose situation for everyone here. Even for Russia.
>>489006705ok, you go first. i'll be right behind you, "bro".
>>489007668Your country and every other surviving country would experience some form of societal collapse. Your economy will collapse, mass produced products such as the bare essentials will not be mass produced. Your electrical grid may possible survive the EMP blast, but if it won't your hospitals will fail. No more lights, the power is gone for good. You really don't understand do you? I won't judge.
>>489007816I won't volunteer independently, but I would go if my country was to enter.
>>489006705>Let me kill an entire group of people and wipe out its culture, or I kill everyone.but isnt this kinda what globohomo has been doing to the world for the last 80 years.I understand where your coming from. i really do, and i can see the logic in what your saying, and yet (and heres the kicker anon, so be honest with me, open your mind to my idea, as i have done for yours).If we are goign to truly attempt to analyze the shituation, then we have to go back some ways, and we have to look at events in their entirety, and whats really hard, for so many people, is to admit the russians make some valid points.Now im not saying Putin isnt wrong here. Im not saying he can just march into soveriegn teritories and do what he pleases. But we also have to admit, alot of whats happening is our own fault. We failed making any kind of a diplomatic solution, and more importantly we deliberately antagonized a world power.We cant do that, we have to live in a world with other people, and those people may not share our values, and they have thier own hopes and fears. The russians have their own fears, and we could have done something to avert this, but we didnt.now we are here. Im not saying hes right. Im saying we could have handled this alot better.
>>489006705Good idea. But you see, British Army has staffing crisis, have you tried to join?
>>489008153>heres the kicker anon, so be honest with me, open your mind to my idea, as i have done for yoursOkay.>we have to look at events in their entiretyOkay>is to admit the russians make some valid points.Explain to me the Bucha massacre. If you're are honestly seriously and genuine. Justify it to me. Explain and justify how killing and raping civilians in Bucha protects Russia's sovereignty. Explain to me how Russia has a legitimate argument to commit such acts of violence? >Im not saying he can just march into soveriegn teritories and do what he pleasesHe did, he is, and he continues to do so right as I type this.
>>489008251>>489008067
>>489007809nuclear weapons arent nearly as big a deal as we've been led to believe. they are just big bombs, nothing more. the human race isnt going to be exterminated. You are correct that global supply chains will utterly fail, adn the world as we know it will cease to exist .... BILLIONS WILL DIE. and not from the bomb blasts or the radiation.they will die of starvation, deprivation, the many civil wars that will result. a nuclear war is the end of it all as we know it ... but its not the end.and quite frankly, when you look at all we've been through, all down through the ages, a nuclear war is really inevitable. I fear its the only way the childen of the earth will learn. we seem to learn about fire by burning our hands. so maybe, it has to be this way, idk.like the UK, and the rest of NATO, canadas pays billions of dollars into our foreign service. billions of dollars for diplomats .... and yet they were seemingly incapable of coming up with any kind of diplomatic solution, either before the war got started, or even now, when we stand on the brink of disaster. I think we should lay off our entire foreign service over this. start back from scratch. all of them gone. they failed to avert a major war. not acceptable.
>>489008512>Justify it to mePretty simple. Ukraine needed an excuse to bail out of negotiations and remain the victim
see hitler would have been the better choice, but no, you had to pick stalin, the fag who already sits on the biggest empire on the world. just a reminder that this guy declared war on finland and poland and you did not care.
>>489006705Or you could, you know, FUCK OFF TO YOUR DREARY ISLAND and let us reclaim our rightful clay.
>>489008679you lost ww1, hence ukraine has a claim to existence and freedom. youre trying to redraw the maps from that loss yet again
>>489008568>nuclear weapons arent nearly as big a deal as we've been led to believeThey're big enough deal to scare the US from doing anything significant.>they are just big bombsThey're big enough bombs that launch a shit load of ejecta and smoke/dust into the atmosphere and block the sun. It will utterly decimate the ecosystem in the surrounding error and wipe life out. The you got the nigger tier nukes that irradiates the place for hundreds of years. Russians got irradiated in Chernobyl digging trenches.>a nuclear war is really inevitableI agree, and that's why I think we should just enter.>yet they were seemingly incapable of coming up with any kind of diplomatic solutionAnd what's Putin's diplomatic option? Let me kill, rape and win, or I kill everyone? How is that any better?
>>489008153>>489008568There is no diplomatic solution when CIA niggers and jewish neocons aren't stopping their push onto the last independant nations from the globohomo jewish world order. (Iran, North Korea, China, Russia)I'm not saying those countries are good. They are all shit in their own ways, except maybe China. I'm saying American jews in power are, naturally, greedy as fuck. They quite literally want the whole world and this is what it's all about.90% of the world is not enough for them, they want 100%This is not some kind of honest mistake like you pain it to be. There is no laying off the diplomats and starting from scratch. If they are so inclined, they will lay off all of their tax paying subjects in a forced nuclear war instead
>>489008668So that gives you the right to just go chimpanzee on an unarmed populace? How do you feel about what Germany did to Stalingrad? To Leningrad?
>>489006932This, OP should be tied to a tank>>489007133Okay, still waiting for you to grab a rifle and die in a ditch you faggot kike.
>>489008512>Explain to me the Bucha massacre.After Russian forces retreated as a good will sign for negotiations in Turkey, Ukrainians moved back in, murdered every man woman and child in Bucha that welcomed Russian convoy, put on a white armband or accepted an MRI. Then tried to blame it on Russia. But it was so obvious lugenpresse dropped it like hot potato lest more people start looking into it. There is a reason it's barely mentioned in mainstream anymore.
>>489008987Sorry, took you for someone who isn't just a full time mouth breather
>>489006705Please go then, I'll pass
>>489008679Why won't you give back Kaliningrad then?
>>489009047russia already offered it to germany
>>489006705I agree, let's get this show started.
>>489006705>trying to steal Russian land is different to stealing it from spearchucking 'fuzzy wuzzys'Ukraine are recruiting pray for war faggots like you nigel, its telling that you aren't there already
>>489009041You do know NATO won't intervene when Russia eventually invades you after it finishes off Ukraine? Think about it logically, is it worth having London, France or Berlin nuked, for YOUR country? Your attitude and awareness about the current state of the world is careless and shortsighted.
>>489009120Why can't Russia take back the Russians from Kaliningrad and just give the land to Germany?
>>489006705>we
>>489006705>oi dose russians are evil bastards innit>core blimey
>>489006705Nukes don't exist you fucking juden rat. The holocaust didn't happen either.
>>489008512>Explain to me the Bucha massacreI dont even know what the bucha massacre isI do know this though. In war, all manner of depravity occurs. I know both sides in thsi conflict performed all manner of war crimes. I know it without even having to look at the evidence, because that happens in every war. thats why the failure of our foreign service is so gigantic. thats why the failure to find a diplomatic solution prior to the start of hostilities is so catastrophic. that the blood of all those innocents that have perished in all the wars lies on the hands of the diplomats who failed to find solutions. we pay them handsomely. they failed spectacularly.>He did, he is, and he continues to do so right as I type this.thats right. and hes going to continue doing that until we rocognize that the russian people have legitimate security concerns about the construction of military bases on their borders and the growing influence of the worlds largest military alliance.I got an idea. how about we state publicly to Putin that under no circumstances will the Ukraine EVER be a member of NATO, and that we will not EVER place nuclear weapons in eastern europe. from what I understadn these are his concerns, or at least they were.why do we need nuclear missiles in Eastern Europe? he cant first strike us. we know he cant. it would be suicide.why do we need Ukraine in NATO? we dont, we never did.in fact, we could sign a mutal defence treaty with the russians that garantees the independence of the Ukraine from ANY outside influence.I dont know if these ideas would work, but our so called politicans havent even tried to negotiate a peace.
>>489008738>you lost ww1, hence ukraine has a claim to existence and freedom.Independent "Ukraine" didn't exist before ww1 and it didn't exist after. It split off 33 years ago when we lost the cold war to the US. Now the US is losing it's position as world hegemon, we are taking it back. The only reason Ukraine ever existed as a state is because USA wished it to, and they are rapidly losing their power to enforce their wishes.Pax Americana is over, taking pieces of countries by force is back on the menu, boys!
How did /pol/ get brainwashed into supporting a kleptocratic oligarchy with no personal liberties as it attempts to rape and destroy a white democracy with a strong, nationalist identity? It's so strange to me.
>>489009159Years of aking for a literal hitler and when one shows up you don't like it
>>489009038You're more than welcome to leave this thread. I'll be here if you wish to discuss however.
>>489009216They have no power, I received around 50 of these last year in special red envelopes.
>>489009246What's there to discuss with you? You can't even follow two basic sentences you were told.
>>489009196>goal posting
>>489006705https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si7dl6BU78E
>>489009196Re-read what was posted, it was offered, the offer was not agreed to. The German government renounced all claims to the land and that in Poland. btw your government banned Prussia, completely outlawed it as a legal concept. It seems you skipped history GCSE.
>>489009196>Why can't Russia take back the Russians from Kaliningrad and just give the land to Germany?Gorbachev literally offered this to the newly unified Germany, but they obviously refused because it's a perpetual money black hole and they knew it, they let us generously keep it as a millstone around our necks.
>>489009275you want me to post the fagbook arrests nigel?
>>489006705churchill? is that you? you need to stop warmongering on behalf of your "allies". we talked about this, operation unthinkable was stupid and you know it.
>>489007052Be's obviously talking about europeans bean-boy. did eating too many beans make you retarded? LOL! Silly-billy-bean-boy, he's obviously not including you bean-boys when he says "we", LOL!
>>489009333isn't it useful because there's sea access there
>>489009243There is a difference between Nazi Germany and today's Russia in quality of life, military competency, social unity and cultural mindset and goals. Putin has yet to display the leadership Hitler had.
>>489006705Honestly, we should just end Russia otherwise we'll be looking over our shoulder for nut job rooskies forever.
>>489006705What a fucking glownigger. KYs faggot zogbot nigger.
>>489009339You can if you want, I never got arrested and like I said I got the red letters probably every week. It's an awful waste of paper.
>>489006705Holy shit what has happened to the Anglo man? Stop being such a pussy you faggot.
>>489007657>NOOOOO BOMB IRANkys. bomb russia (with nukes).
>>489009320I don't know much about this topic so I can't really debate you on this. Didn't skip GCSE History, I recall it being about the War of Roses, WW2 (English perspective and Western front), Egyptians, Saxons and Tudors. Possibly Normans.
>>489009333>they obviously refused because it's a perpetual money black holeIts just in line with what America wants for Germany as a vassal. Irredentism once started is hard to stop plus the plan was to expand NATO towards Russia and Poland was needed for that. America wanted to act slowly, not tip their to Russia too early that this was the plan.https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii140/articles/grey-anderson-weapon-of-power-matrix-of-management
>>489007809Sounds like your issue isn't necessarily Russia or Ukraine, but rather that this world sucks massive donkey cocks and is filled with cunts. Sadly this revelation will not bring your parents together again.
>>489009412You mean getting everyone killed the kill himself or just making jew death camps?
>>489009033>Ukrainians moved back in, murdered every man woman and child in Bucha that welcomed Russian convoyYou can't be serious. You seriously believe this? There is no logical sense to this. I'm available to discuss this with you but come on. You're telling me the Ukranians fought and died...just to kill their civilians?
>>489008984I fear you are right serb bro. its a helluva world to live in.
>>489009579>Sounds like your issue isn't necessarily Russia or UkraineYes and no. No because I think it's an absolute shit show scenario to be living in. Yes because it's Russia doing the nuclear blackmail.
>>489006705You reap what you sow, well I suppose you reap what your forefathers have sown.
>>489009409It technically is, but it's surrounded by not-so-friendly countries, hard to supply overland, plus we have Baltic access like 100km next to it with full infrastructure in and around SPB, so it's not by any means vital.
>>489009445What's pussy about wanting my country to not tolerate nuclear blackmail and directly challenge Putin?
>>489009393>churchill?Churchill sent British men to die in the arctic, often without convoys just to supply the soviets. I'll never forgive him.
>>489009637Because the initial stage of war/SMO saw Ukrainian forces acting extremely paranoid about civilians secretly being Russian collaborators.Then there were trigger-happy curfews. You can't have such strong opinions, while being this uninformed, can you?
>>489009614More that he unified his country towards a singular goal of making their country stronger and better. But yeah, his proclivity for killing Western Euros was scummy.
>>489009637>You're telling me the Ukranians fought and died...just to kill their civilians?Shit like that happens all the time in wars anon. Its a warzone dude. people are being killed. people are raped and tortured and then killed. theres no police carrying out investigations. just dead bodies lying around. you travel around with your mates, your armed to the teeth, and you kill anyone who fucks with you. no one cares. they didnt see them as "civilians" anymore. they saw them as colloborators, spies, traitors. and they killed them (or at least thats what anon is suggesting). me ... idk what happened, but I know shit like that happens in war every day.a warzone is the ultimate debt settling arena. people kill people they owe money too. they kill people that owe them money or did them wrong. people settle all kinds of scores in warzones, and blame it on the war. hell, they dont even find 3/4s of the bodies.
>>489009918>Because the initial stage of war/SMO saw Ukrainian forces acting extremely paranoid about civilians secretly being Russian collaborators.So in your logic, this means Ukraine decided to kill all the men and rape the women, and children. Because of the fear they were Russian collaborators. Do you not understand or recognise how illogical you argument is?
>>489009702Hypothetically, Russia and Ukraine find common ground, deescalate and find peace. On monday you're back to wage slaving paying 40% of your wage to a government that hates you, desperately trying to scrape together enough to have a deposit on a 30 year mortgage so you have a 2 bedroom flat to drink yourself to death in. Oh and the whole time this government is flooding your jobs, housing and streets with third worlders and will jail you for questioning it.Just fire the fucking nukes already, I don't give a fuck.
>>489006705>I honestly think we should just go to war with Russia at this point.bazeddeath to anglokikes and amerimutts occupying europe
>>489006705Yeah the argument that they might fire nukes is retarded. They can just continue doing whatever they want with that reasoning, invade Finland? We can't help they might nuke. They can just continue expanding however they want.
>>489009937I never got itSeemed to me like he had a weird goal with all the murder he never explained
>>489010064>Shit like that happens all the time in wars anon. Its a warzone dude. people are being killed. people are raped and tortured and then killed. theres no police carrying out investigations. just dead bodies lying around. you travel around with your mates, your armed to the teeth, and you kill anyone who fucks with you. no one cares. No, I disagree respectively. I don't disagree that armed forces rape and kill, happens in all wars. But your own nations army killing and raping its own civilians and on this scale is incredibly rare, especially for Europe. And not on this scale.
>>489010096>So in your logic, this means Ukraine decided to kill all the men and rape the women, and children. Because of the fear they were Russian collaborators. Do you not understand or recognise how illogical you argument is?>pays for it with his royal taxes anyway
>>489006705>weYou first off you go. Hope you win a posthumous VC chap.
>>489010247I suggest Max Hastings All Hell Let Loose if you're curious. Lebensraum, he/Germans saw Slavs as subhuman, Britain and Germany clashed in Norway first after the "phoney" war over iron. Hitler bomber Britain to get her to submit, he invaded France who were incredibly incompetent.
>it's everyone elses fault but Russia>Russia is good boy dindu nothing>please have a civil war and attack your own government goythis place pyopped to hell by russia
>>489010320>The EOD experts are inspecting the places of Russia's war crimes
>>489010096>Do you not understand or recognise how illogical you argument is?you really have no idea do you.the mere fact that the russians didnt kill them told the ukrainain soldiers that they were likely collaborators. In a war zone, people are trying to kill you anon. ACTIVELY attempting to end your life. and you get to watch some of your friends die horrible painful deaths. you may even have to put a bullet in your friend to ease his passing. once youve had to do that a couple of times, you start to get very suspicious of anyone you dont know. you stop taking chances. you dont know what theyre up to. maybe they are radioing in your postion as soon as you walk away, calling for a mortar strike. maybe they planted some of the mines. maybe they are gonna shoot you in the back.why take a chance? you dont know them. they are not your friend. they are not on your "team" ... and yet they are here (whereever here is) .. in a warzone. why take a chance? just fucking grease them all. safer for us that way.im not saying its right, but can you see the logic in how the soldier thinks. .... yeah dude, soldiers kill people, its what they do.
>>489006705I honestly think we should go to war with the UK instead.
>>489010774>you really have no idea do you.Ukraine accepts the surrendering of Russian soldiers and extends that to North Koreans. Russian collaborates have been imprisoned. Bucha was a proactive Russian decision to indulge in. You probably believe the Katyn massacre was done by Germans.
>>489009159>Your attitude and awareness about the current state of the world is careless and shortsighted.My opinion about anything is mine, while your is likewise just yours. Not going
>>489010309>But your own nations army killing and raping its own civilians and on this scale is incredibly rare, especially for Europe. And not on this scale.Its not really "Europe" ... its the Ukraine. And its not rare at all. All over western Europe, all throughout ww2 and ww1, colloborators were beign killed, partisans were being killed, people from all walks of life were put against walls every day and shot. and there so called "crimes" were often nothing more then suspicions, dubious at best.oh no no, my sweet summer child. dont you for a second think the western euopean man isnt the same animal as the rest of the world. two weeks without power and we will all see just how "civilized" we are. in fact the european man is far worse. he is less likely to kill for sport, and much much more likely to kill by numbers and for reasons. by numbers, I mean using various facilities and methods that involve starvation or deprivation ... we know seige warfare very well indeed, its in our blood.and for reasons, I mean all the quasi-judicial hearing that occur in the field where some officer interogates a suspect and decides to give the nod to a sergeant to pull the trigger. the flimiest of evidence will damn him, no evidence at all, just suspicion ... because for the soldiers, it all comes back to "why take a chance".oh my friend, we arent so civilized as you think. our higher IQ allow us to entertain more fantasies , more "plots" by enemy colloborators, not less, and so we kill even more often, and for less. The battlefield is the land of standing corpses, those determined to escape with their lives will die. Those determined to die will escape with their lives.
>>489006705fuck off jew
>>489006705>this thing that could happen is so bad that we should make sure that it happensthis is what propaganda does to normies, totally unhinged
>>489010934I already said I dont know. you dont know either. the "fog of war" and all.honeslty though. probably both, and probalby some of the civilains killed some of the civilians too. imagine your a ukie soldier. you roll into a village. theres a whole lot of dead bodies. some of the corpses have been raped, some tortured, some mutiliated. some are dead with their hands bound behind thier backs, obvious executions. homes are burnt and blown up. indiscriminately. its clear there has bene looting as well. the russians left these positions within 24 hours ago, or less. its clear they murdered a bunch of people, because rigor mortis hasnt even set in.BUT .... theres also a bunch of people still alive. what do you make of them? why didnt the russians kill them too. some of them say some of them were actively helping the russians. some of them say they are loyal to your side. your getting all kinds of conflicting information. why didnt the russians kill the ones who are alive? its a big question in your mind. are they the colloborators? why didnt they resist? you and your friends fought and died to get here. as a soldier, for you, and your friends, it all comes down to "why take a chance".you gonna risk your life for people who werent willing to fight back and might be colloborators, ready to give away your position, or trigger an IED. No dude. you'd grease them too.
