So, we really can't create a better system than capitalism? This is the best we can do?
>>489037854We ran out of ideas for movies. Why wouldn't we run out of ideas for politics. Now it's just about making cool looking buildings and sci-fi phones.
>>489037854i have an idea for a system where there's no money. instead of money we trade goods. maybe i give you 10 sticks of cinnamon for your iPhone.
>>489037854we should return to feudalism
>>489037854Fixed money supply for all goods and services forever. What do you think happens to prices anon? Capitalism is fine.Infinite money printing inflates the entire money supply which makes demand for goods (and prices) greater.
>>489037854There hasn’t been anything like actual capitalism going on for decades.
>>489038763>real capitalism has never been tried
>>489037854>This is the best we can do?Yes. I mean what could possibly be better than rewarding hardworking, intelligent people while punishing those who are lazy or stupid?
>>489038763Define real capitalism.
>>489038091I think about this all the time. why cant we barter damn it, we always did until those fuckers discovered gold. It just shines, it is a worthless metal even if it's rare. With that being said, 20 cinnamon sticks, 3 chocolate bars, 5 barleys, 47 chickens, and a sandwich.
>>489037854just eliminate any notion of "legal entity" and it's fixed
>>489037854There's no such thing as a perfect world, anon.
>>489039752found the jew
>>489037854Capitalism is still much better than socialism or communism. Only jobless retards and trannies think communism is a good idea because they think they will be a party member and won't go to the gulags
>>489037854>This is the best we can do?AI government until then, yes, free market is the closest thing to something gud
>>489039752not with that attitude there isn't
>>489039477>real capitalism.capitalism with a stable amount of currency in circulationnext question, keep them coming
>>489039102no, it was around for a hot second. but then after WW2 it was replaced with neo-mercantilism.
>>489039102Stop being a fucking retard.
>>489037854I vote we make bottles of vodka the world currency.
>>489040659>it was replacedPeople with wealth replaced it by bribing government officials to do their bidding.THIS is capitalism's endgame.
>>489039102The biggest problem is the infinite print cheat that all governments using Fiat Currency are legally allowed to do. Why call it a cheat? Because you, dear Plebian, are strictly forbidden from issuing your own currency. Your particular brand of -ism doesn't matter half as much as the infinite print cheat.
>>489037854In an ideal world we could just summon out from the void, whatever our hearts desired with minimal effort and no one would lack for anything ever. We have not been graced with this path of ease. We have been assigned instead, a perilous path where one wrong mis step could get you eaten alive by a chink made escalator while perusing chink made plastic consumer items marked up 300%.
>>489037854Hi
>>489040877>THIS is capitalism's endgame.noit took decade(s) of post-cold war propaganda and infiltration in media, entertainment and education AND politics, to slowly but surely inch people away from "fuck commies" to "hurrr durr Che Guevara is cool"and it only worked because good people slept on their laurels, too busy working and creating industries while nigger Marxists worked restlessly to fill dumb shit into children's minds
>>489037854>better system than capitalismCapitalism infests EVERY aspect of life with usury.Usury is sin.Sin is death.Communism is no better, but stop being a delusional faggot.Free markets have not existed in your lifetime, and will not.
>>489041148>>>489037854 (OP)>>better system than capitalism>Capitalism infests EVERY aspect of life with usury.>Usury is sin.>Sin is death.>Communism is no better, but stop being a delusional faggot.>Free markets have not existed in your lifetime, and will not.
>>489037854Any better ideas leads to war being waged against you
>>489037854The capitalist economy and the fiat currencies it uses are wasteful and unfair. The only reason we're not superabundant for all socially desirable goods and services is because of the artificial market pressures under the price system of capitalism and the profit motive. Capitalism should be replaced with a new economic system based on how much energy it takes to produce specific goods. An economy run by engineers would be more efficient and equitable. Engineers would run the new government and optimize the use of energy to assure abundance.By completely removing the price system and distributing resources around energy accounting products and services can be measured in energy and be free for anyone to access. The entire industrial outputs can be calculated and divided by the population to see how much people can consume vs what was actually consumed. The application of science can then be applied to make products better, longer lasting and sustainable.
>>489041145Who funds this propaganda? Surely it's not billionaire capitalists that benefit from open borders and women in the workforce, right?
>>489041223Please tell us how Uruguay is going to save civilization.Are you going to sacrifice harder to your snake gods to make the pain go away?
>>489040578>capitalism with a stable amount of currency in circulationThat's the opposite of capitalism. Capitalism is credit controlled economy, everything else is made up for interests of rich people and organizations. Current system is more a nespotic feudal state.>>489037854>This is the best we can do?Surely not, this is the best what greed, power lust and all the other lousy characteristics the people have can do.
>>489041375>Please tell us how Uruguay is going to save civilization.I'm just the idea guy! You have to do the work
>>489037854Given modern resource constraints I’d say yes a capitalistic economy with some government interventions is best currently. However that may change radically as robotics, ai and fusion technology advance
>>489041431>That's the opposite of capitalism.Fine by meBut now you must come up for a word for private property economy on a Gold Standard currency based on mutual benefit trading (ake free market)If you don't have a word for it... then ligma balls, I'll keep calling it capitalism
>>489041350>Who funds this propaganda?I can't say it here, I'll get banned
the system isnt the problem its the people running it dosnt matter what system we have if the people running it are evil
>>489041921That’s the reality of it and why I welcome AI overlords.
>>489037854The majority of people can only contribute to society by spending money or being slave labor. Fascism and communism require a society worth preserving and unity amongst the people in a nationalistic way, which inherently means homogeneous like China. You can't have a 4th Reich worth a damn when half the population is brown.
>>489041680>But now you must come up for a word for private property economy on a Gold Standard currency based on mutual benefit trading (ake free market)I am pretty fine with private property and free markets, you can have this in most systems. Problem is inheritance that should be minimized and the rest given back to the people (if the state gets it all it will be a far more problematic).>>489041103Now take a look which of them have written and published Marxist ideas and why there are popular in capitalists states.
>>489037854Better than privatisation
>>489041921>>489042089Now that I really think on it, is this perhaps why Elon is leery of AI? He doesn’t want to be called out by the machine as a detriment to his fellow humans as a hoarder of valuable resources.
>>489042412>Problem is inheritance that should be minimizedIn a healthy economy, inheritance is not a problem.It's the fantasy of poorfag that a same family inherits the same wealth for 100s of year.In truth that's next to impossible because inheritance, especially when big, is divided into half a dozen people at best, but it could be among 10 or 20 people.Only in a Central Bank fake economy is that rich people can multiple their wealth x10 without any actual industry.Remove the fake economy, and families will have to truly earn, truly invest in infrastructure and real things that benefit the economy, just to maintain their wealth IN the family.In truth, as the popular saying goes, wealth lasts only 3 generations (1 to create, 1 to maintain, 1 to squander)
>>489037918Phones are a slop, it was better before the Smartphone era began.
>>489039622You missed the irony in the post you responded to
Capitalism is great as long as you keep it in check. You have to make sure it serves the interests of the people. Easier said than done though, of course.
>>489037854The system you and I live under isn't capitalism, but yes capitalism is pretty bad too. So is communism.So is our weird hybrid that we have here. News flash, the world kind of just sucks. We're not gonna fix it with economic theories or whatever
>>489040898>strictly forbidden from issuing your own currency.The funny thing is you're wrong. It is entirely legal to create your own form of currency within the law. Doesn't mean you won't get a visit in the middle of the night and 3 TB of CP installed on your computer
>>489037854The suggestions box is always open, but anything without realism / proof of concept is just kindling at best.
>>489039752Yeah there is it's called socialism but exclusively for White ethnostates with 0 immigration
>>489037854I'm about to pay my dapp users by the calorie. Free market trades those calorie-coins around. If they hit 1 cent that's tremendous.
>>489037854The best case scenario is to get robotics and AI up and running as quickly as possible, but then you have to do something about the CEO's who lead that charge who think they now get to own the world while the rest of us starve to death.
>>489041103You're telling me the "lolicons for Trump" crowd fears nazis more than anything?And tell me again what you want the age of consent to be in the fascist states of America once you seize power?
>>489037854I have an idea. Capitalism, but without jews or brown people.Find a flaw
>>489037854What we have is corporatiom. We don't own our own land and vehicles. The government (a for profit federal corporation) also only deals with our corporate soles they created on our birth, not with us as natural persons as men and women.
>>489045450Pretty good, but you've still gotta deal with the 1% or so of whites who are spiritually jewish and try that kind of bullshit whenever they can at the expense of everyone around them.
>>489037854We probably could but it's not going to be communism. You need an engine to drive the system. To make people do more than just eat sleep and shit. Greed is an engine. It drives people to go beyond their most basic needs. Communism fails because it assumes people have no desired outside of their basic needs being met. It's a perfect system built around imperfect beings so it has no hope of succeeding. You need a system that acknowledges and accounts for humanities worst qualities and harnesses them towards a greater end.
>>489037854Did you mean corporatism?
>>489042697>In truth, as the popular saying goes, wealth lasts only 3 generations (1 to create, 1 to maintain, 1 to squander)"Der Vater bestellts, der Sohn erhälts, beim Enkel zerfällst" is an ancient German speech that means the same. But i had the financial structures and big companies in mind, not the family owned ones. They do not divert, they usually are owned by "nobody" and do nothing for the people except outmaxx money from them. These has to eliminated and the wealth returned.
>>489045581>communismIs a made up theory from exact the families that it pretends to fight. It is nonfunctional dictatorship (the latter is openly written it) by design and attracts shizos with desire for power. They understand that very well. Rest is mostly written to confuse the reader and hold him in a state where he needs guidance of "experts" (as everywhere nowadays).
>>489044902>ethnostateWeird word how it says nations are states
>>489037854Well this isn't real capitalism, haven't you heard? In reality you live in a system that's already been "improved" from base-model free-market capitalism. All the regs and laws and other shit are modifications to it that were done to change it, and in many ways to obviously improve it from the model you would've had in the late 19th century, when children were having their fingers ripped off by looms in a factory.>Capitalism isn't great but it's the best we have!is something the haves say to have-nots to rationalize why there can't be improvements.
>>489045581>Greed is an engine.for the greedy ones. If you rely on the ratbags and promote that you will get the system you currently observe. There was another time were they are discouraged and the nations prospered anyhow. Maybe it is part of the actual brainwash that people think your way.
>>489037854Yes, we're really stupid. We should be switching to Optimalism where everything just works optimally.
>>489037854Without it you would’ve be living with the things you have
>>489047447That is an absolutely braindead read of an objective fact. Greed is an engine for everyone. Every single person. Some people may be more greedy or less greedy but everyone has wants. It could be as vast as wanting to control a huge corporate empire or as small as wanting to buy a new stylish coat. Wants are drive us to do more than the bare minimum. These behaviors have existed since before recorded history and any system even the vague bullshit in your mind that you'll never outright define for fear of actually running into criticism.
>>489047900Yes but he has a point. Greed unchecked may be a powerful engine, but it builds a world that rewards greed above all. Everyone has to be at least a little bit greedy and selfish, otherwise you'd give all your shit away and starve/freeze to death, but you can't reward it too much either. If your whole village is starving and your hut is full to the brim with food and you're selling it to them at exorbitant prices, you're being rewarded for your greed at the expense of the group, which is not a successful strategy for the group in the long term.Parasites are dead weight. The greediest people learn how to do the least work while profiting from the work of others, the most productive people.
>>489048480Why would anyone want to be rich anyway just for someone to rob them
>>489037854>This is the best we can do?Yep, the world is mutable and thus every system that wishes to create a utopia is flawed as it finds itself at the mercy of ever-changing circumstances, betrays its principles and corrupts itself, fuck the systems and work on yourself so that you become incorruptible, once that happens the systems will follow suit.
