Lately threads keep getting made mocking paganism and saying what do we even believe and what do we do. It's all an appeal to ignorance fallacy.So I'll answer that. First, see all of philosophy. That is paganism.Second, as someone whose gf is Icelandic pagan uncorrupted by Christcuckery and truly authentic, it's all a collection of stories and experiences we've accumulated and which we add to with each generation. Overtime less interesting or useful stories get lost and the better stuff gets preserved. We do various things that have been shown to work, and we give up the things that don't work, it's pragmatic. We are also very eclectic and we interpret and synthesize things into our worldview and we tend to look at the underlying patterns/archetypes and see that someone else is referring to the same idea/archetype/entity under a different name. We are also highly individualistic, everyone has their own worldview, there isn't one guy who decides the dogmas/doctrines so each pagan you talk to has different ideas about reality and those ideas change as we change through experience and accomplishment. Those in our community who are the most respected are simply those who can do more than others. We'd respect a Christian if they could heal better, do seership better, etc. and historically there were individuals like that who came and made a lot of converts but today you can not find any Christian who is capable of anything spiritual so a lot of people are distancing themselves from Christianity (discussing it less, refusing to go to church, focusing more on what works).Our religion/way-of-life is not dead. It's always evolving. This is hard for the christcuck mind to comprehend as Paul made prohibited further additions to the Bible and though they have removed a few books they mostly got the same bunch of books now and don't change it. Pagans on the other hand continue to create new stories as well as tell older stories, continue to experiment and to theorize.
>>489217380>Satancuck seething
Paganism isn't Philosophy. Paganism is a religion.What dogma is there to unthinkingly follow in paganism? How is Paganism supposed to appeal to the unthinking masses? We can't all be philosophers that transcend religion.
>>489217380I will hear no more of this Hebrew nonsense
>>489217380Can you do that somewhere else?
>>489217380>It's always evolving.Gayest thing I've heard in years. So much cope. Anyone larping as a pagan must be mocked like the retard they are.
>>489217531>inb4 law is our dogmaYou still need to prescribe how people should behave in softer terms that aren't violently enforced. That's what religion is for.
>>489217380>What we pagans believe>a bunch of anti christian slurs and seething at christians instead of advocating your theologylol, lmao even
>>489217380Alright, so are the things which you add to your pagan canon all of equal worth as whatever scriptures you hold to be fundamental to your the word of your gods?We're not going to start sticking Church Father writings and modern Christian Theologian writings into the Bible. The Bible has a fundamental purpose.
>>489217531Paganism is a way of life. It has certain practices that allow one to interact with spirits, it has initiation rites / dramas that teach you something about mind or cosmos or whatever, and it it's a total worldview so includes philosophy and science and mathematics and all other disciplines.It works fine in Iceland because there aren't any retards in Iceland or at least not until recently (christcucks have allowed retards to be born and invader retards to come in).Regardless, it's these practices and the stories that come out of them, that make up paganism. It's very much accessible to anyone, just the same way that tripping on shrooms is for example.I'm not sure what you want exactly retards don't matter they don't keep society going and they don't understand anything anyways.
I'm imagining this as if Christians started tacking Origen's writings onto the Bible because he is a respected Church Father.Like you have to at least have some varying form of reverance or importance within your own canon right?
>>489217380pagan is a general term, derogatory, referring to everything not one of the three jew desert cults.
>>489217709When you read Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Plato, Aristotle, every mathematician, every scientist, every philosopher, etc. are you 99% learning paganism. Paganism absolutely dominates. Paganism brought you the technology, the advancements in psychology/math/physics, etc. and has made christcuckery into a cringe scapegoating ritual cannibalism irrelevant cult for dying boomers. We pagans will replace you and you deserve it; because you can't do what your apostles did but we can.
>>489217380Hahahahahaha you should kill yourself holy shit. You're 95 IQ at best from the way you write.
>>489217922Ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt, Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, etc. all pagan.
>>489217738The Moral Epistles by Seneca and many other texts on ethics have been written by pagans.No need for the ambiguous and morally confused christcuck religion that tells you "don't kill" then a few chapters later has the Israelites killing tons of people and asks people to chop their dicks off.
>>489217931>you can't do what your apostles did, but we can.I'm a Christian who believes in Apokatastasis. Could you elaborate on what you mean by this? Not trying to fight. Genuinely curious.
>>489217709the judeochristian religions are ever evolving and have been since a quill touched papyrus
>>489217978pre christcuck 100% pagan Rome.
>>489217767Read The Kybalion, retard.
>>489218015Rome was literally conquered by Jesus Christ and the Saints. He returned around 70 AD.
>>489217834>practices that allow one to interact with spiritsNobody would ever want to do this.>it has initiation rites / dramas that teach you something about mind or cosmos or whateverNobody would ever want to do this.>it's a total worldview so includes philosophy and science and mathematics and all other disciplines.Damn, that's crazy.>It's very much accessible to anyone, just the same way that tripping on shrooms is for example.Dude shrooms bro. Shrooms are the foundation of society bro. They keep everything running. Shrooms are the reason we have food in the fridge right now broo.>retards don't matter they don't keep society going and they don't understand anything anyways.The exact opposite is true. Retards work and keep society running and gay little philosophers direct them like puppets.
>>489218043>Rome was literally conquered by Jesus Christretard take, not it at all.
>>489217984Why do you keep bringing up Christianity lmao?
>>489218079What are you then? Pre-mill futurist still?post-mill?
>>489217811The Bible is shit and the Nicene council was a disaster for humanity.None of you can even understand the Bible because none of you can reproduce the works of Jesus and his apostles.Your religion died a spiritual death first and now it's dying many other deaths.You want Christianity to survive you need its spirit back and it has left you.As for "the gods" we pagans actually interact with entities/intelligences and come up with our ideas about them through experience, discussion, and analysis.You don't interact with your "angels" anymore. You've banished spirituality from your life.When's the last time a saint walked this Earth? All the saints of the Christian religion are long dead now.
>>489218182You care wayyyy too much about what other people believe and not enough about what you believe. I won't believe there's a single genuine pagan in existence until they stop discussing other religions and only discuss their own religion.
>>489218182I asked you this before.What do you mean by 'reproduce the works of Jesus and his apostles'?And yeah , I think mainstream Christianity has took a turn for the worst. I mean most Christians believe in an eternal place of torment where unbelievers go.
if you're not practicing so called occultism hardcore there is literally no difference between christian or "pagan", you are a slave without any power like 99.999% of humans that walked this earth your beliefs are irrelevant
>>489217878There are certain texts and certain persons that are more popular or highly regarded by pagans yes not every text or person is on equal grounds.Christians who actually read the church fathers are extremely rare btw and when I do meet them they are more based. The vast majority read the bible and are obsessed with only that book.Pagans on the other hand are usually either illiterate or extremely well read with little inbetween.
>>489217878No, it's much worse than that. 99% of neopaganism is completely fabricated horseshit. They pick and choose from the eddas, rip off eastern and/or superhero mythology, then douse the combination in the aesthetics of the viking TV show and inward-turned "orientalist" nonsense, if that makes sense. Neopaganism is a half mexican half irish obese man praying to Thor by quoting beowulf. It's a fucking disgusting farce that shits on the few fragments of pre christian northern myth that exists.Note that I say Northern myth, because Southern European paganism was extensively documented but almost no neopagan cares for it because it doesn't conform to their manchild history channel/"epic-viking-throat-singing-pagan-healing chakra chant COMPILATION 4 hours" sensibilities.Some exception for the baltic neopagans but they're extremely cucked in some ways, and still incorporate jeet shit into their larp make it seem like more of a metaphysical thing. Neopagan is a codeword for fat retarded failure.
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>>489217380that jumper looks itchy
>>489217380>what pagans believe >(proceeds to rant about hating Christianity)I found the problem.and you know what it is too... but you hate God too much and are too arrogant to change.
>>489217380>>489217530Is that a coffin?Where'd the body go?
>>489217380>celandic pagan uncorrupted by Christcuckery and truly authenticlmao
>>489217380> Our religion/way-of-life is not dead. It's always evolving. This is hard for the christcuck mind to comprehendOh it's evolving alright
>>489217380Maybe you should ask your GF what Asatru thinks about proselytism. It's none of your business what other people believe, nor your business to explain what you believe to others, and it is not your business to beg acceptance from anyone either. Let others seek out wisdom if they want wisdom, and if they find wisdom elsewhere, let them. Go read Hávamál. Maybe you need to re-educate yourself on what advice Oden actually provides. Especially 24, 25, 27, 53 and 63.
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>>489217988What I mean is the psychic phenomena that is all throughout the New Testament and also done by Moses and other figures.That stuff is still alive and well in the world but you don't find it among the Christians and any Christian that does find that stuff becomes ostracized by the other Christians. If you ever become a saint basically, you're going to be persecuted. It happens to the muslims (they often put to death the sufi masters), it happens with the Christians (their saints go through all kinds of abuses) etc. Anyone who is a spiritual person shares more in person with every other spiritual person than they do with the "religion" (more like confusion) of the commonfolk around them.People of the book / people of the scriptures are really bad towards spiritually realized people.
>>489217380>we're making it up as we go alongYeah that's larping.Icelandic paganism was created in the 70s by some hippies and freemasons btw.
>>489217380You don't believe in anything. You make shit up because what your ancestors believed is actually unknown so you borrow from modern made up religions like Wicca and smash it together with your own personal rituals and call that a religion. It's not. Religion has specific doctrines, practices, and beliefs, and sacred texts. The only reason anybody has even heard of the Norse gods is because CHRISTIANS wrote down the poems so they wouldn't be lost entirely. And guess what? The "words of Odin" were stolen from the book of Proverbs. Stop larping. It's stupid. Embrace the most ancient pagan tradition and receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior.
>>489218550>Still yapping about ChristianityI thought you were Pagan, not anti-Christian. Gay boy.
>>489217531Those unthinking masses you tried and fsiled to control with desert religion are why society is collapsing
>>489218464Valhalla.
>>489218617Christianity promotes race-mixing and egalitarian universalism. You can't be pro-White and pro-Jesus at the same time.
>>489218525>Go read HávamálThey call you a Jew if you say this because a Christian wrote it down kek
>>489218675>Those unthinking masses you tried and fsiled to control with desert religion are why society is collapsingThis doesn't even make sense. You're literally saying that the fall of society coincides with the failure to control the masses with Christianity, implying that Christianity prevents the downfall of society. This is false. Christianity directly contributes to the downfall of White civilization, retard.
>>489218043Christianity was an obscure and irrelevant sect in the time of the apostles and during its early days. Strangely it was also at its best and most pure back then. Once the government and the masses had touched it, they turned it to shit. One of the saddest things about christcucks is their way of proselytizing. They have no pearls only fodder for swine. Pagans actually protect their pearls and bestow them only upon those who are seen to be worthy, and will often take profound secrets to the grave rather than share them. The christcuck just babbles to everyone and especially loves to prey upon the mentally ill, the degenerate, the criminal, the weak, women, etc. Today the churches are full of the senile and the feeble-minded and the parasitical and they are falling apart.
>>4892187061) who cares 2) no lol 3) 50% of neopagans are gay
>>489218525/thread
>>4892188121) nobody cares. 2) yes lol. 3) I'm not a pagan.
>>489217931OK if you're so sure of this, remove your memeflag
>>489218794When did white civilization begin to decline? What year specifically.
>>489217931>paganlarper education
>>489218070I'm a spirit and you're interacting with me. You can learn a lot from interacting with spirits. Your heroes from the bible interacted with spirits but you don't like to follow their example instead you like to say your sins are upon them.Retards don't work they are useless. I'm talking like downies. If you mean midwits, yeah they are common and keep society running, but what is your point? Not everyone is meant to go deep into the mysteries, many are meant to go through live immersed within a culture and a mystery but never understanding what they are born into.
>>489218751Doesn't matter who wrote it down. It would have mattered if we thought the stories were the words of God or some other authority, but we don't, so it can be anyone.
>>489217380Instead of just seething about christianity why dont you actually try to advocate why your religion is right, rather than why another is wrong.Assuming christianity is wrong, what then? How do you prove thor and odin are real?>its based>its cool>its whiteWhy did thor and odin only reveal themselves to the nordics?
>>489218101Because this thread is a response to Christians attacking Paganism. If Muslims or other groups were recently constantly attacking paganism then this thread would be addressed to them and I'd be talking shit about them, and I have done so in the past btw.
>>489218043Judas Chrestus was executed there and the Chrestians forgotten
>>489218550Thank you for the answer.
>>489218891>When did white civilization begin to decline?This is the same as asking when White civilization peaked. I would say White civilization peaked in America in 1965.
>>489218274Strawman. I care very much about what I believe and constantly have discussions about things like determinism vs predeterminism, different forms of causality, the nature of entities, etc.Just because you shy away from our discussions doesn't mean we don't have them.
>>489219048Really? The 60s? The decade of cultural revolution that marked the beginning of terminal decline in traditional Christianity? How the fuck did Christianity only start fucking us over then and not the last 1500+ years when we conquered the entire world?
>>489218805Well, mainstream Christianity doesn't even have the truth. Eternal Torment is a mind virus. Everyone knows that infinite punishment for finite sin is unjust.
>>489218794Agricultural gains = more ppl = more shitty ppl than quality = slave moralists = christianity = more shitty ppl = more slave morality = globohomo religion supercedes as it is a lower common denominator of slave morality
>>489218280Like healing the sick, knowing the thoughts of men, judging and discerning correctly, casting our unclean spirits, aka all the so called MIRACLES in the Bible. How can I make this anymore clear to you?
>>489219141Why do I get the feeling that you're a Brazilian teenager
>>489219201I agree.Something went wrong. Perhaps it is because Christians don't have the truth anymore.We should be doing miracles, I agree.
>>489218812ALL neo-pagans are gay. Did you know, Åsatru is a nationally recognised religion? But, that’s neither here nor there because it’s not meant for you. What is meant for you is ALLAH and his messengers MUHAMMAD and ISHA (pbut) mashallah aleikum
>>489218319Your perceptions are skewed the majority are pagan you just don't notice because you only look at a bunch of LGBTBBQ obese tranny LARPers at the Renaissance Faire and ignore all the normal and rational people around you who also have a lot of pagan traditions alive. A lot of Amish people for example still use runes and have many pagan traditions and are very pagan in nature despite supposedly being "Christian". A lot of pagans I know are counted as some kind of Christian in statistics/census shit but they haven't been to church in years. It's like thinking Haiti is Catholic; they're not. They're all voodoo niggers. Same with injuns, they're all some kind of Christian on paper, but in reality they're still immersed in Native American traditions unless they were stolen from their parents as a very young child in which case they are sometimes 100% hardcore christcuck.
>>489219180Christianity hasn't really existed for 1500+ years. Catholicism has. Catholicism is a false and fake version of Christianity. Catholic values are the opposite of Christian values in practice.
>>489218426Why would I hate The All and The Way? I just don't believe your rabbi on a stick is The All or that the semitic volcano demon of the OT is The All. A personal being can't be The All. The All is impersonal cosmic mind we all live in.
>>489219498Catholicism only works because it is fake Christianity. The white race was only able to thrive under Catholicism because it wasn't truly Christian in nature. It was fundamentally White.
>>489218706>Christianity promotes race-mixingNo it doesn't. Modern Christoligists who don't understand the text, or deliberately misinterpret it do. Unfortunately for the masses, these people are who most people get their "theology" from, and just take it as truth. We are all one in Christ, but that is spiritually speaking. With regards to our souls. But worldly matters are worldly matters, and Christ does not say to go miscegenate. It is notna commandment of his, nor is it a way to life. This is something left up to us, but we as stupid and fallible beings use his authority to justify worldly matters.Christianitynis anti racism fornsure, but it is NOT pro-miscegination for sure. A subtle but very distinct difference. Christianity is not averse to nations remaining separate culturally, and people with their people. It is entirely possible for white countries to be Christian, Black countries to be Christian, Asian countries to be Christian, all separate, but in cooperation with each other. In fact, this is ideal Christianity. Every kind with their kind, but united in faith.It is only unfortunate that actual life is so corruptible, and prone to misdirection and trickery by those who would do us all harm (Jewry).The old testament is full of stories of God saying "bro, literally do not mix with these peoples, shits gonna be bad", and then doing it anyways.
>>489217380When a baby is born here, and we bring it back home, a sheptucha(which means she who wispers in the dark) will take the baby light herbs and bow to the each corner of the house. Saying:- In the east - it's windy here...- In the north - it's cold here...- In the west - it's dark here...- In the south - it's warm here...And then she will use the lit herbs to burn off the babies fus hair on the head, if it is a boy.
>>489217537hey, thats what the bad pagan guy said in my favorite judeo-christian movie about jews!
>>489217380>ChristcuckeryJewboy detected!Only jewboys call people christcucks.
>>489217380no succession = LARP
>>489218470>that postQuintessentially Christian way of thinking/being just changed the labels around. Literally could have been a Christian that wrote that if you just edited a few words.
>>489219573Ah and after the corner blessing the people anwser her with "And beware of evil everywhere, O human soul, and hope only in Gods(yes as in multiple ones)"
>>489219570God gave Miriam leprosy because she critiqued Aaron marrying a nigger.
>>489217380im not reading that. you are definitely a larp.Noah = Odin = Ra = Cronus = Saturn = Enlil
>>489219669Sorry, I meant Moses. Not Aaron.
>>489219446>Your perceptions are skewed the majority are pagan you just don't notice because you only look at a bunch of LGBTBBQ obese tranny LARPers at the Renaissance FaireI wasted my 20s on white nationalism so no definitely not. I'm speaking specifically about the kind of worthless retards you think are cool. >A lot of Amish people for example still use runes and have many pagan traditions and are very pagan in nature despite supposedly being "Christian".>retarded ass larper thinks the fucking AMISH are using runesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>489217380you are a larp, memeflaggot
>>489218470Freya speaks to me in the form of Athena. she calls me a good boy whenever I shoplift a copy of "Song of Achilles" (that one fanfic by some catholic lady about achilles being gay) and rip it to shreads. I wonder if any of these fake witches know how much the real Freya hates them for being obnoxious cunts that defile and insult the High Goddesses
>>489217380The only real paganism is Hinduism. The rest are centuries dead. It's not ancient or ours, it's brand spanking new and alien. It's an embarrassing amalgam of poorly stitched-together new-age tropes, syncretically borrowing from the cringiest sectors of the anglo-sphere; gaia-worship, wicca, and neo-wotanism. Belongs in D&D, nowhere else. By all means though, DO stay in your lane, and waaaaaay the fuck away from those of us who DON'T abandon our faith like your heckin' trad® ancestors did, (((white man))). May posterity forget that I ever shared anything in common with you.
>>489218525Blah blah blah I don't care.If also bet you have no clue how dark and fucked up and superstitious some aspects of Icelandic paganism are btw.I'll do whatever I want. I feel a duty to free white men from the plague that is Christianity in its current form today and to challenge the ones that refuse to abandon Christianity to step up their game and become men of spirit.As for the non-whites they are best off dying in ignorance and superstition but there are some white people on here worshipping the dick mutilation god and that's not good.
>>489218751>a christian wrote it down>Havamal, "Sayings of the High One">High One is one of the most ancient titles of Odin>"a christian wrote it down"which christian? what was his name?
>>489218599>nooo you can't remember what your ancestors taught you and handed down for generation after generation it's all made up in the 70s because I say so and there is no text to prove otherwise
>>489219369this is who you side with anons. a literal paki living in norway making it rich off your taxes lmao.
>>489218617The whole concept of an external saviour is stupid and sets you up for failure. Saviors, messiahs, etc. it's all rubbish. I have actual beliefs and can engage in subversion by reinterpreting everything through my worldview/beliefs. Just because you don't recognize what those beliefs are doesn't mean they don't exist and I don't adhere to them.
Christianity was never dominant. It has always been the religion of the rebels. The faith of the outlaw you might call it. Jesus was bold to question the religion of the Jews and outsmarted them, that is why they KILLED him. >"Le pOpe iS A cHristY"He may claim to be Christian, but his interests is worldly and materialistic who thrives from the pockets of naive catholic so he can surround himself with gold and little white boys pleasure him. That satanic piece of shit works hand in hand with the communist Chinese party, an Anti Christian government.Pagans literally just worship pic above.
>>489218626I'm both, false dichotomy anon. Pagan and anti-Christian. Wasn't always anti-Christian until I met Christians and became disgusted with them because I have functional pattern recognition. The Christians of today are degenerates.
>>489219669That's still not pro-race mixing. A story is a story to tell a tale, a lesson, or to make record of a history for a circumstance that was necessary at the time. If you are going to be disingenuous and use one example to prove a rule, while ignoring all the other examples otherwise, I don't know what to tell you. How about God saying "DO NOT MIX WITH THE CAANANITES OR I WILL PUNISH YOUR PEOPLE"? Guess that's inconvenient...
>>489219768>the only real paganism is this degenerate shit cultwhy are christians so obsessed with seals of kosher approval? I thought christianity was about genuine faith? but most christians dont seem to care about genuine belief or faith, they care about rituals and traditions. they follow after the traditions of men, they crave for a sign. their jewish prophet would have slapped them all silly for being such materialistic kikes. a soulless religion, a creed without spirit, a church without faith in anything but power and money. those are your true gods christians, money and power.
>>489217380IT'S FOR THE AMERICANS.
>>489219815>which christian? what was his name?Snorri Sturluson.
>First, see all of philosophy. That is paganism.kek whatliterally all philosophy is framed from a monotheistic or atheistic framework>We are also highly individualistic, everyone has their own worldview, there isn't one guy who decides the dogmas/doctrines so each pagan you talk to has different ideas about realityso why the fuck should anyone take you or your "gods" seriously if you don't take them seriously yourselves?
>>489219961>thats still not pro-race mixing because uh.....well I said so! cope
>>489217531there's no one paganism as original religions differ between different parts of Europe
>>489219498That's retarded. Catholicism retains the customs and dress of late Roman paganism but it is, very imperfectly, still centered around Christ. >>489219612This is the most reddit thing ever, I fucking hate it>>489219645This>>489219648>Christianity is everything that makes me look dumb>>489219768Based but also jeet>>489219815He's the one who said it, not me. That said I can't imagine a pagan writing a book in the style of Christians and in the Latin script. >>489219861Those guys look like the white power Sicilians that keep telling me to stop being a christcuck
>>489219972but snorri didnt write the havamal you lying fuck. I thought you studied all of norse literature and knew everything about it? why else would you make such bold claims about it unless you had actually studied it? what kinda retard just goes around talking about things hes never actually read about or experienced for himself? >the answer is you
I checked it out in the 90'sit seemed very fake and gayall the women were fat and the men were weak and broken
look i'll make it simple for you fellas, the larpagans just dont wanna admit they're satanists its like being afraid of being called racist, if they dropped the act they would be taken seriously. Of course most dont even have a clue what theyre really dealing with
>>489220002You are intellectually dishonest. I accept your concession. Cannot argue with one who has denounced the use of reason.
>>489220070This + real paganism was never an all encompassing, dogmatic, metaphysical worldview like abrahamic religions are. It was more culture than religion IMO. I wish there had been more rites created that preserved northern culture/ritual and not just Roman imperialism honestly.
>>489220167>Argentinayou literally elected an ethnic jew for president you dumb spic
>>489218706I think you can be pro-White and pro-Jesus at the same time it's just extremely unlikely to happen but really Jesus in particular wasn't that bad he's basically a Hellenist subverting Hebrews. The result though is an unfortunate blend of retarded jew shit with the better greek ways of thinking. Christianity should be seen as a stepping stone towards something better, and it does function that way when it's targeted at jews, in my opinion Christianity is really only for the Jews and the Christians should put all their efforts into converting the Jews only. Sadly it's going the other way; today's Christians have become the pharisees. They're become more and more Hebrew.
>>489220179>YOU ARE INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST!!!! ACKNOWLEDGE MY FACTS AND LOGIC!the first prophet of your religion, a jew names Moishe, married a niggeress name zipporah. cope more cuck
Most Pagans are smelly leftists into all sorts of new age spirituality. The few "based" Pagans are all pseudo-intellectuals obsessed with showing off how different they are.
>>489220286Take your meds saar
>>489218030>we pagans>weYou're unironically retarded.
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>>489220348AND HE IS LAWD! LAWD LAWD LAWD
>>489220245i didnt elect shit you dumb spic
>>489218873My country flag is the same as yours.>>489218958I'm not wrong. You christcucks cling to flat earth shit, anti-science, etc. for a reason. Also America is founded upon Deism aka paganism.
>>489217380Paganism is a collections of jokes fuck paganism see Pajeetopia for future references.Chris is King
>>489217380If you really were a theist you would team up with us christians to dunk on the arrogant fedora tippers
>>489220089I didn't read the entire exchange you had with the other anon, and thought I was answering which Christian was involved with the Edda. I apologize.
>>489220290So just like Christians except they have the decency to focus on White cultures instead of jewish ones.>inb4 we wuz jews n' sheeiitt
>>489219861You mean people who actually fight for their religion and don't abandon it when it becomes inconvenient? >>489219968>seem>seem>seemMake a committal statement or shut it.PS, you don't get to make commentary about the religious practices of a religion you don't participate in, you fence-sitting invertebrate. Don't like how it's done? Join up, show us a better way, or fuck off. >>489220080>jeet Nope. But if I was I'd be of better stock than any neo-pagan turn-coat. Any. I don't care how un-melaninated they are.
>>489220392>My country flag is the same as SIRYOU HAVE REDEEMED IT
>>489218989True. Anything a pagan says stands on its own merits not the sword and not the supposed divine authority of some text. Instead of the Nicene council deciding for us what is "inspired" we discern for ourselves what we consider to be inspired.
>>489220401atheists already made a fool of themselves thats why the conversation shifted to pagan vs christian
>>489220389>one of the worlds most catholic countries>elects a jewmakes sense. shalom argentina! a shekel has been deposited in your account :^)
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>>489220417its alright I need cigarettes and bad
>>489217380It's a larp.I'd respect you fags more if you worshiped the Greek Roman pantheon instead of deer monster rape fetish.
>>489220495how's that vooooting working for you? enjoy your jeets on top of niggerland lol
>>489217380>wall of text i didn't readNobody takes redditors seriously. Go away.
>>489217537Jews unironically fear European paganism and folk history for some reason.
>>489217380I have a skinnier bint in the same costume
>>489220457>Make a committal statement or shut it.okay, let me revise it. you christians DONT care about genuine faith, and it reeks. its obvious as a motherfucker. you care about money and big fancy buildings. you care about pedophiles having nice embroidered robes. you care about impressive art and flowery words. nothing you people engage with can be called an authentic religion. the fact you called our ancestors 'idolators' is laughable. go and kiss your foreskin relic
>>489220530Greco-Roman pantheon made the deer monster rape thing seem tame by comparison.
>>489220286i'm gonna break your brain but jews are literally pagans kek>>489218030>A central concept in the book is that there are "seven Hermetic principles, upon which the entire Hermetic philosophy is based".[4] These are, as literally quoted from the book: >7. The principle of gender>"Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes."very interesting indeed, no wonder you're advocating for this literal tranny shitsomehow not even the cringiest thing here>"Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates."Woah.......... dude................genuinely embarrassing
>>489220370I mean, I am not saying we are pagans, but the number of pagan rituals done in my rural part of Poland is huge. Even priests have to be okey with "feeding the dead" , all the new born rituals, heck local priest who are from my part of Poland go to szeptuchas to get cured or get readings. My grand uncle was a decon of our local church, wasn't it for WWII, he probably would have become a bishop, and his mother (and my grand fathers mother from my mother side) was a szeptucha. And great great grandmothers mother was one too. Heck my grandmother and even my mother (atheist biology professor) were called szeptuchas. My mother will no go back in to the house if she forgets something, someone has to bring the thing for her. If there is no one she will leave without it.
ITT: A bunch of desperately coping christcucksDon't you have to go wash some niggers feet or something?
>>489217380Fucking LARPer>muh everyone has their own world view>muh we respect christians>muh just a bunch of storiesFirst of all "pagan" is a retarded term, just like "nazi". I am not a nigger to use slur words on myself.Second of all God is absolutly real, however its not everything centered around them. In fact I have never witnessed him or his wife so far,Spirituality/Metaphysics is the main aspect destroyed by christcucks. Its not some "muh God is in every stone" almost atheistic concept.One can directly interact with the metaphysical and its not some sort of fairy tale.The christianized world is trying to destroy every connection to the spirits, first by replacing it with some non existent kike on a stick and pretending that christ is the ONLY son of God. However, every man is a son of God, simple as.In the second step people realize religion is just about power and turn away from it.What OP is describing is entirely physical topics that dont have anything to do with spiritual world views.(Pro tip, there is only one but it comes in made flavors, everything else is made up by a couple kikes)
>>489220531we might have actually voted for a nonkiked president, if christcucks like you didnt run the right wing movement like a bunch of grifters
Christianity is pretty flexible and can be great but the upcoming miga mutt judeo-christianity arc is going to be destructive to people of europe and white americans.
>>489220283>I think you can be pro-White and pro-Jesus at the sameYes, you absolutely can. Just the same as balcks can be pro-black, or Asians can be pro-asian, or any other culture and race. It doesn't mean you necessarily must look down on and demean the others. Your people are your people, and as long as the faith remains the same between all, that is all that matters. There is no mandate or command that every culture has to start breeding with each other until we are the same worldly flesh indistinguishable from one another. If anything, that is actually Satanic (which makes sense, hence why the Jews keep pushing for mass miscegination). Miscegination is not a Christian concept. It's a worldly matter at the end of the day.And besides, thinking about it from a logical standpoint, why the hell would God create man, with all his different cultures and modes of being just to have them become the same? He wants uniqueness in individuals, which necessarily stems from cultures, which stems from race. He created man in creation for uniqueness, not sameness. If he wanted us to all be the same shade of brown with the same mode of thought, he would have done so from the beginning. Yet he didn't. What does that tell you?
>>489220645>jews are pagansthis is your brain on christcuckery everyone. his own ancestors are jews, except for the ones that were pagans, they were jews! imagine being this confused on things
>>489220701christcucks like me? nigger you're out of your mind try reading first
>>489220691>and pretending that christ is the ONLY son of God. However, every man is a son of God, simple as.>So God created mankind in his own image,> in the image of God he created them;> male and female he created them.?
>>489220621>Look here goyim, sexy and attractive blonde white girl, ̶S̶a̶t̶a̶n̶i̶s̶m̶ Paganism FTW am I right? Ignore India btw
>>489219008Okay I will do so you have any questions I'll answer them starting with yours.>How do you prove Thor and Odin are real.Depending on what you mean by "real" you'd do this through archaeology, remote viewing, or through the sacred rites.My girlfriend btw literally believes she herself is Freya and had a long list of arguments and past lives she talks about to make her case about it and that she is basically cursed in various ways because of it, has a lot of sad stories.>Why did thor and odin only reveal themselves to the nordics?Why does this even matter to you? Why did Moses only reveal himself to the Israelites?I will say though that some say Odin and Thor are known to other tribes under different names and appearances.While others say they are like heroes that were born at a certain time and place.While others interpret them as archetypes or forces.And others think they are like advanced 5D or higher intelligences that you can connect to in the astral.We worship the All-father aka The All as the one universal god. The all-father doesn't take on a human incarnation and only communicates to us all through synchronicity and through nature. Everything is its message and its meaning. The All-father is within and without.
>>489220480Yet here you are, asking for acceptance, like a beggar. You should cease. Why do you seek their acceptance? For what purpose? They can no more make use of your faith than they can find your dreams interesting. Wisdom is born from experience, not from second hand insistence on legitimacy.
>>489220392>My country flag is the same as yours.No surprise there>America is founded upon Deism aka paganismAmerica was founded by detached morons who abandoned their holy soil and killed the red man.
>>489220725That's been the post ww2 world already. Only 30% of zoomers here even believe in God. I think that Christianity will mostly die soon and a minority of actual believers will be left after the whores and liars depart.
>>489217380The so called "paganism" is already lost, the modern thing is just a larp, no one even in the most remote forests in Europe really knows what it was all about, it doesn't have any logos, therefore it's not a religion by any means nor even a philosophy.
>>489217380if it's not ancestor worship, it's faggotry
>>489217530>Satancuck seethingha ha ha
>>489220384Protestantism was the beginning of the end for Europe and the western world.
>>489220401christians are atheists in denial. Their God is a very surface level part of their own self. That means that they are only comunicating with their rational self. Just like with atheists.Theist people on the other hand can comunicate with their higher selfs and also the higher selfs of other beings.
>>489220752I'm not a Christian. Christianity did its damnedest to move away from the Canaanite paganism that is Judaism, but it could never really extricate itself fully, which is precisely why I am not a Christian. > imagine being this confused on thingsWhat do you mean. Yahweh/El were literally a part of the Canaanite pantheon along with Baal, Asherah, etc.
>>489220738Most likely we live in a fucking simulation if anything our creator won't doubt to punish us Jesús taught us how to defeat the game theory and I am convinced somehow Islam and Jewish religions are tied to Christianity and viceversa. This means that your avatar is irrelevant as you can see the more religious a nation is the better, Nigeria is hyper religious and is experiencing a population explosion like fuck "quality of life" and other talmudic shit like "gdp" while SK, Spain etc are declining.
>>489220447The difference is Christianity actually makes sense
>>489219180Christianity was subverted also conditions created by the industrial revolution allowed the "fruits of Christianity" to ripen. In many ways Christianity was very pagan until recently. You'll have to read Nietzsche to understand. What we're seeing today is the conclusion of a long process of spiritual decay brought about gradually by Christianity but accelerated in recent times thanks to the printing press and then mass media.
>>489220634I didn't call them idolators (but, come to think of it, yeah they literally worshiped idols in some cases). Forced early Christians to participate in their Hellenist rites, knowing that refusal to do so would out them as Christians which, in turn would get them sent to die for the amusement of (((Nero))) and the Roma-lard sportsball plebeians. As for the materialism you blanketly accuse Christians of A) explain the Amish and B) you're literally typing your posts on a electronic device that 63% of the world's population still can't afford, glass-house.
>>489217380Pagans agree we reincsrnste and suffer, but offer no permsnent solution, just be based, dont fear dying, make white babies so you can come back as your grandchild and have good time, fight, think, dont lie, get better.Its all good as symptom management, bzt not a cure.
>>489221086>you just don't understand>"read Nietzsche"lmao good troll bro
>>489220869Seems like bullshit>I want to be a cool white viking Chad and have a sexy pale gf like Chris Hemworth This is the new emo
>>489217380not sure its supposed to look like a thong. more likely to be tied around the back.
>>489219194You are correct.So also is delayed punishment.If you don't get a hearing in court within a set period of time your case just gets thrown out.Justice has to be NOW not later.To me something is a sin because it is a vice aka something that produces bad fruits / effects that undermine one's personal power and self-mastery.Every virtue is some kind of virtue of self-control, self-restraint, etc.The things one ought not to do the reason is always "it will come back to hurt you in some way". One should maintain good relationships with others, one should defend themselves, one should help others, etc. because in the end it helps you.Ayn Rand was really onto something with her Objectivism morality.
>>489219208Brazillians are all into christcuckery as they want access to white people.Here's an example of a christcuck brazilian: >>489217767
>>489221235>describing Kharma and the Golden Rule.Very original.
>>489221077checked. But, I do think mainstream Christianity has lost the plot, we all have to return back to Apokatastasis doctrine.No Father would send their children to eternal torment.
>>489221071>This means that your avatar is irrelevantAt the end of the day, that's true, but it's not really an ideal, hence, the whole "pro" argument. It's like beating a game on beginner difficulty without unlocking any cheevos. You wanna beat it on the hardest difficulty and get that satisfaction. So, without veering into blasphemous territory, imagine God watching us, and while we could technically beat his game on beginner mode, or on hard mode, from his point of view we beat the game either way. But where is our own pride amidst it all?Super shifty example, but I think you get the point.
>>489220869>My girlfriend btw literally believes she herself is Freya and had a long list of arguments and past lives she talks about to make her case about it and that she is basically cursed in various ways because of it, has a lot of sad stories.Lol, meds.
>>489221284Brazil is not Christian to "access wyte pippo" they inherited Christianity from Portugal, if anything whitoids are atheists nowdays.You are full of shit.
>>489219961It's because the Jews were originally niggers, Canaanites were white people
>>489219312If you can get back to what the apostles were doing then your religion will deserve to have a rebirth and I'll be glad to meet one of you and learn from you. Suddenly Christianity would have prestige in my eyes again.I only hate the religion for what it has become today. Many religions have come and gone on this Earth, degeneration has destroyed so many of them, but every once in awhile someone who is truly great and noble comes into the world and uplifts those around him. You can just study history and see how it keeps happening over and over.
>>489221235In Apokatastasis, the Lake of Fire is not retributive justice, it is kolasis, which is correction. It's remedial. https://biblehub.com/greek/2851.htmThe wages of sin are death, not eternal fire. And Jesus paid that death for everyone."And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2 )
>>489221368Pride is a sin.If Christianity was a cuck religion why the european powers thrive on it and conquering their enemies?
>>489219861You are garbage.
>>489218694The wooden box that looks 8,000 years old and lined with bear skin, you tard
>>489221314I'm a perennialist my belief is that the truth is so ancient it goes back to prehistory (before writing or at least before the younger dryas period reset us all to the stone age). Everything I believe is original only in the sense of being the original truth but not "original" in the sense of being new.The golden rule is shit. If I kill you I'm following the golden rule because I want to be killed in battle. I did not describe the golden rule.
>>489220645>"Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.">very interesting indeed, no wonder you're advocating for this literal tranny shitnigger, you do realize that quote you are using is literally saying there are only two genders right? where are you getting 'tranny shit' from this? meanwhile, heres some jewish wisdom about your god, who actually was a tranny. hmmmmm, pagan lore says that there are 2 genders, while jewish lore says (((god))) has no gender, and that adam was originally a tranny who had to have eve 'cut out' of him. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>489221342The Father doesn't, they condemn themselves by their own deeds. Choosing to live a life of sinfulness without repentance is deliberately choosing to separate yourself from God.The problem isn't "mainstream" Christianity. The Gospels were meant to spread Christianity to as many people as possible. It's retard protestants and niche esotericisms that are ruining it.
>>489221208true. But you can make it in to a thong. When women go to mash cabages and carrots with their feet, so that they can be pickled, they would roll(even in the 1980-90s) their skirts that they would look like a gigantic thong.
>>489221449Are you saying Portuguese are not white?
>>489220080>Catholicism retains the customs and dress of late Roman paganism but it is, very imperfectly, still centered around Christ.the Catholic religion is the true religion that Christ established. It is Christianity. https://www.churchfathers.org/peters-primacyCouncil of Ephesus“Philip, presbyter and legate of [Pope Celestine I] said: ‘We offer our thanks to the holy and venerable synod, that when the writings of our holy and blessed pope had been read to you . . . you joined yourselves to the holy head also by your holy acclamations. For your blessednesses is not ignorant that the head of the whole faith, the head of the apostles, is blessed Peter the apostle’” (Acts of the Council, session 2 [A.D. 431]).“Philip, the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See [Rome] said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors’” (ibid., session 3).
>>489221645the white christ and his family bow in dance to the Holy Stone of Obodrzyc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O625o8Ux5e0
>>489219730They are dude you have no idea. There's a ton of National Socialists direct from the Third Reich embedded among them too. Perfect place to hide, no technology, parallel society, purely German, etc.
>>489220585Jews have an existential terror of whites. On some level, conscious or unconscious, they recognize that whites are singularly capable--more so than any other people on the planet--of utterly wiping them out. It's a particular archetype that kikes recognize and instinctively fear. Ironically, the way Jews react to this fear is what causes the inevitable retribution.The only thing that has saved kikes in the past has been the sparse sharing of information, so they've been able to find hiding places away form the storms they bring down upon themselves. But now, there is nowhere left to hide.https://www.philosopher.eu/others-writings/essay-on-wotan-w-nietzsche-c-g-jung/>A mind that is still childish thinks of the gods as metaphysical entities existing in their own right, or else regards them as playful or superstitious inventions. From either point of view the parallel between Wotan redivivus and the social, political and psychic storm that is shaking Germany might have at least the value of a parable. But since the gods are without doubt personifications of psychic forces, to assert their metaphysical existence is as much an intellectual presumption as the opinion that they could ever be invented. Not that “psychic forces” have anything to do with the conscious mind, fond as we are of playing with the idea that consciousness and psyche are identical. This is only another piece of intellectual presumption. “Psychic forces” have far more to do with the realm of the unconscious. Our mania for rational explanations obviously has its roots in our fear of metaphysics, for the two were always hostile brothers. Hence,anything unexpected that approaches us from the dark realm is regarded either as coming from outside and, therefore, as real, or else as an hallucination and, therefore, not true. The idea that anything could be real or true which does not come from outside has hardly begun to dawn on contemporary man.
>>489220666Pagan larpers of pol must1. go back2. study the meaning(origin) of the word pagan3. understand that pagans were not a single group nor cultureSiberian shamans, European folk religions, Finnic religions, Slavic religions, all the dwarfs running around Stonehenge, Native Americans, African voodoo religions, they were all called pagans. The word literally meant "religion other than ours".In other words there is no such religion as "paganism". Siberian shamanism was the only global religion prior to Christianity. None of the others were global or wide spread. Each village pretty much had their own pagan religion. That's why Christian priests were able to convert everyone.
>>489221542The sin of pride is not the same as being proud of accomplishments or heritage or anything like that. I admit it is a perilously thin line, but there is a distinction to be made. If you are a child, and you successfully put together a model airplane perfectly, are you not allowed to feel the pride of satisfaction in doing so? Or should you feel guilt and shame and hate what you have made? Pride is a sin when it blocks you and gets in the way of humility, whereupon you are the greatest, and feeds your ego into thinking you can do anything and everything without others or God, and can do no wrong.
>>489221757Werwolf kämpft
>>489219498Catholicism's weak point is its theology. The Suma Theologica's greatness all comes from Aristotle, the purely superstitious and unjustified portions are the very parts that are uniquely Christian. In practice though Catholicism resembles Paganism a lot and many Pagans don't have such a hard time converting they just continue worshipping their own gods but now use the names of "saints" from Catholic tradition.
>>489217380Vikings are savages. What exactly do you want to be? A norman?
>>489219498In defence of Catholicism btw how many saints / miracle-workers did they have in those 1,500 years?Now how many saints / miracle-workers has Christianity had in the last 500 and of those last 500 years how many were Protestant?
>>489217380Ancestor worship gets you nowhere. Christ is the son of the only true God who made all of creation.
>>489221838yeah, I do agree with that. You said it much better then me. We don't think of all the things as separate stuff. when you put a lump of iron in to each corner of a borders foundation, we just do it. We don't think if it is pagan or christian (and what type of christian).
>>489217380once i recognized i held beliefs of a middle eastern desert tribe and not the beliefs of my european ancestors i immediately dropped christianity
>>489221642>heres some jewish Bullshit I made up about what I think about your god,ftfy, Noseberg. Our God's pronouns are He/Him with capital fucking letters.
>>489221838Pagans want everybody to have their own religionA God for every people = NationalismA God for all people = Globalism
Most of you people don't even know what authentic Christianity is. Its the Catholic religion. Nothing more or less. Protestantism is heresy. https://www.churchfathers.org/salvation-outside-the-churchLactantius“It is, therefore, the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth; this, the domicile of faith; this, the temple of God. Whoever does not enter there or whoever does not go out from there, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation. . . . Because, however, all the various groups of heretics are confident that they are the Christians and think that theirs is the Catholic Church, let it be known that this is the true Church, in which there is confession and penance and which takes a health-promoting care of the sins and wounds to which the weak flesh is subject” (Divine Institutes 4:30:11–13 [A.D. 307]).
where do these modern pagans get their basis for their religious practices from? a lot of it seems to be just made up. like they're just winging it.
>>489219570We are all one in the all and yet even within our own body (which is microcosm of the macrocosm) there is a constant warring of the parts that produces the greater harmony. The cell which disassociates from the body as a whole is a cancer cell btw, cancer cells literally have disassociative identity disorder, you can learn about this by studying cybernetics. Cybernetics is key to understanding the soul. Consciousness is not an emergent property that comes out of complexity, cybernetics has an alternative explanation. Also bioelectricity behaves negentropically (normal electricity takes the path of least resistance).
>>489222068papist settle down.
>>489221885We have explaining what we do(or rather the church and the elites did) and why worshiping a holy elk and having saints with elk horns, is actualy 100% legit christian catholicism, since XVIIIth century.
>>489222076To be fair, that's basically every religion
>>489217380>memeflag>starts with le paganthe term pagan is a epithet, a pejorative, vulgar term to refer to non-abrahamic religions by the abrahamic religions.You are basically accepting the moniker and becoming their escape goat for free.Now that's retarded.There's no such thing as paganism. A literal schizo christkike take.
>>489221642>you do realize that quote you are using is literally saying there are only two genders right?no, it's saying that "gender is in everything" "everything is masculine and feminine" and that "gender manifests"this is tranny propaganda 101>pagan lore says that there are 2 gendersit's not even pagan "lore", it's some shit written in 1908>meanwhile, heres some jewish wisdom about your godyeah not a christian/jew/muslim try again kid>while jewish lore aka pagan lore, and that's not even the most explicit example. There's some really whacky shit with yahweh that I don't remember off the top of my head.
>>489221885>Catholicism's weakpoint is it's theology>unironically shilling Nietszchezip the jew pants up when you're done bro
>>489219573Windy and dark aren't opposite polarities I'm confused by that. North and South are opposite polarities, warm and cold are opposite polarities, east and west are opposite polarities... but windy and dark????
>>489222076the poetic edda, the prose edda, and the writings of tascitus to name a few
>>489222076>a lot of it seems to be just made up. like they're just winging it.That's exactly what old European beliefs were like. It wasn't anything remotely like the social institution of modern religions.They were just stories people told that embodied certain cultural values and archetypal messaging.
>>489222222"Gender is in everything" is a way of explaining duality Sun and MoonLand and SeaLife and DeathGood and EvilEtc
>>489222043then why did he use 'they/them' in the old testament with the whole elohim thing? hmmmm? its not what I made up, its what jews made up, and they know your religion better than you goy. otherwise you wouldnt have preserved them as a witness generation
>>489222061>pagans wantYou still keep using the word as if it's a global organized ideology rather than a term just meaning other cultures. You might as well say Gentileism. As in,>we Gentiles all believe that...It makes you people sound very stupid.
>>489219645What exactly do you mean by "succession"?
>>489222141well, the difference being that the big three have a long, long history and tradition that are embedded and enshrined in society and have a great amount of scholarship and documentation, whereas this just seems like modern dudes who want to protect white culture, and see Christianity, et al, as weak at best, or actively harmful to whites at worst. it just seems like they're making up a lot of stuff so they can hang out and talk shit about niggers and Jews. which is fine I mean sounds real fun, it just seems fairly obvious to me that's what's going on instead of any real like.. desire for the divine
>>489222068>Most of you people don't even know what authentic Christianity is.I literally don't give one fuck what you think "authentic Christianity" is. The men who established the church are just that, men. Not objects of worship and NEVER to be given more consideration than Christ's. Only Christ's words have any weight.>Protestantism is heresy. Unapologetically so. Catholicism, by contrast, is blasphemy.
>>489222222I think those digits stand to prove you wrong, christtranny. THERE ARE ONLY TWOCOUNT EMTWOOOOOOOOO!!! GENDERS
>>489221885>Catholicism's weak point is its theology.No, the theology of the Catholic Church is all true. >The Suma Theologica's greatness all comes from AristotleNo, from Catholic doctrine and from logic. >the purely superstitious and unjustified portions are the very parts that are uniquely Christian.Nonsense. There are no superstitious or unjustified portions of Christian theology.
>>489222061 You can have nationalism and still believe in the Most High.
>>489222239Lmao
>>489222314And that is how we do it now too. Ask a Swede if he's religious, he'll reply that he believes "in something" but won't be specific about what that is. When Christianity rolled around the first time, our ancestors happily worshipped both the monotheistic Christian god, while also retaining the Norse myths. It's always been like that, and I don't see it changing.
>>489218617Ignoring the retarded op who is potentially a christcuck well poisoning.>smash it together with your own personal rituals and call that a religionYou just described christcuckery.Thank you for playing. You can fuck off now.
>>489222402your book was written by jews
>>489222222Anon I know that to people living in the US 1908 is ancient history, but we litteraly have description of paganism, pagan rituals, reports from priest to their higher ups on what their "faithful" are doing, papal reports and papal condemnation of certain behavious dating as far back as the XIIIth century. And we are the underdeveloped eastern europe part of the world. For wester world you have the Saxon Chronicals, all that was create in Cluny, 1200-1300 years of pagan rite description. And some of it exremly accurate
>>489222104>there is a constant warring of the parts that produces the greater harmonyEvery part and system of the body is distinct, with theirnown purpose, yet together create the whole body of "man". If every single cell, organ, system were the same, would we be man anymore? No, we would only be a heart, or a lung, or a stomach, or a muscle, or a bone, all as one. So it is we are, as men on this earth, that cultures and races are as different organs and systems of the global body, with different purposes, but creating the whole being . To make them all the same is to erase humanity. It is to mock God and spit on creation. That is my view anyways.
>>489222374correct, and your faggot ass believes that you're both at the same time
>>489222336Sorry I'm not adhering to the ancient definition of the word. Will you stop autistically bitching if I say polytheist instead?
seeing Christian Brothers squabble over theological differences makes me wonder how bad these pagan dudes are going to have it, since there's not that same written tradition and focus on logical consistency blah blah etc etc
>>489219679le spirit science watcher
>>489222476Okay dude, who the fuck cares. We're specifically referencing the text your fellow buttfucker brought up.
>>489222512nah, thats literally what your jew religion believes about adam you dumb jew tranny. in pagan lore man and woman are each made separately at the same time. in your jewish tranny lore, first there was only man, and he jerked off and had sex with animals until he begged yahweh for pussy, and so yahweh performed surgery on adam and removed the vagina from his penis to create eve. thats literally what your jewish bible book says you dumb nigger
>>489222384Christ is the king of everyone. Christianity teaches you to put humanity before your own people.
>>489222233wings from the west cause clouds to block out the sun, and the eastern winds are always strong, bring destruction and hyper changes in the weather(super cold in winter, or heat waves in summer). It is a wind directional thing. South winds are winds from africa, they always bring warm (mind you the folk didn't knew that africa existed, when the rhyme was created). And north is always cold, arctic wind.
>>489222602We care very much. 1100 years of our history, is something we care about. It is what makes us us.
>>489222373>>Most of you people don't even know what authentic Christianity is.>I literally don't give one fuck what you think "authentic Christianity" is.>The men who established the church are just that, men. Not objects of worship and NEVER to be given more consideration than Christ's. Only Christ's words have any weight.That is stupid. Its not a teaching of Christ. Christ established the true religion and is a man as well as God. You worship a man and you know about him from men. Scripture was written by men. You can't avoid the fact that knowledge of Christ and Christ's word came to the world through men and through the Church. You can't separate Christ's word from the testimony of men.
>>489221086>Christianity was subvertedIt's not a pagan thread it's just a kike doing another Anti-Christ thread.
>>489217380you know every time i see a pagan describe their beliefs they cannot make it past the first sentence without mentioning their opposition to christianity. as if their practice cannot exist without christianity to oppose, which I believe is true.foremost its an aesthetic, a counterculture, not a religion and evokes none of the same mystic precepts. the actual pagans were a real religions, im not even certain you believe in a pagan god of any kind as you certainly arent making a case for it here. i feel bad for you man, because the concept of actual pagan religious practices and precepts are a personal interest of mine, the fundamental mysticism, but by God with a capital g do pagans not even care about it.it seems to me that christians have a more thought out theology of pagan deities and relevance to spirituality than pagans do. Theyre lesser spirits, creations of a divine longing, sometimes demons or malicious entities but always mere universal aspects that inhabit all people in similar ways (lust for eros deities, anger for war deities, hearth and fertility gods for maternal instincts, wisdom deities for those struck with inspirations) rather than an all encompassing deity which represents a balance or temperance between all aspects towards a higher concept of morality, as opposed to worshipping anger and violence for its own sake or lust for its own sake.
>>489222472I'd choose Jews over you any day
>>489222568Not at all, I suspect. You quarrel because you expect a centralized body of approved myths. There is no such thing in Norse religion. For example, a friend of mine interprets the hanging of Odin as a lesson saying that without sacrifice, there can't be success. I interpret it differently. None of us is right and we would recognize no authority as legitimate on the subject. Can't speak for pagan religions that aren't Norse, of course. Strictly speaking, I can't even speak for other Norse believers.
>>489222624Can you not read? Serious question. I already said I'm not a Christian. And the reason I'm not a Christian is precisely because of the pagan buttfuckery you're describing, so your ironic diatribe is kind of hilarious. Anyway, didn't Loki fucking turn himself into a woman and get impregnated by a horse or something retarded? Don't think your faggot tranny worshipping ass should be throwing stones at your fellow pagans when it comes to this.
>>489222869The eternal christcuck strikes again
>>489219768Yoga is just pilates made by a Western Man. Hinduism almost died out until Swami Vivekanada (a man well versed in multiple religions) revived it. Hinduism has had various successive philosophic schools like patanjali. Also Hinduism as it is known and practices by the average 70 IQ or whatever it is jeet shit-eater is nothing like the very few and far between sages of that land know it. Your average jeet is a disgusting abomination and embarrassment. The whole kali yuga concept really does describe our age well. You should read Julius Evola.
>>489222641Yeah, spiritually. It doesn't say eradicate your own people and cultures through pathological altruism. That's Jewish shit for their enemies.Doesn't say "let in all the Caananites into your borders and allow them to displace your families and communities and allow them to impose their own culture and spiritual beliefs onto you at threat of death, and start letting them sacrifice your babies to their god even though I said not to". This is what's literally happening now. It's quite literally NOT Christianity.
>>489222869get on your knees for your jew
>>489222909I'll take deracinated Jews over pagan White trash any day of the week. Stop being cringe and I'll change my mind.
>>489222908Loki isnt a god, he is a demon who the other gods say to not worship like 10 different times in the pagan lore. what religion are you? honestly I only consider whites worth my time. if youre a hindu go eat shit and die
>>489222641>Christianity teaches you to put humanity before your own people.No, there is no such teaching. And if you belong to Christ's Church, your people are Catholics.
>>489222428Sure, I think there's something inherent to the human psyche that seeks communion with the cosmos. It's every bit as natural as hunger or sexual attraction.More modern religious institutions exploit that desire as a way to control large numbers of people for various ends. It's not at all unlike using sexual imagery in advertisements to sell worthless shit, and it's an obscene subversion of man's nature.
>>489222909>The eternal christcuck strikes againOnly jewboys call people that.
>>489219931Christians worship, pagans commune. There's a difference. You put yourself below a master, we look for fellow seekers of the way.
>>489222428>When Christianity rolled around the first time, our ancestors happily worshipped both the monotheistic Christian god, while also retaining the Norse mythsThat's kind of what Catholicism is, just for Latin culture. All the structure and most rituals came from Roman pagan traditions (especially mithraism), and Christianity is firmly embedded in neoplatonic philosophy. There was never much metaphysical conflict between christianity and european mythology IMO.
>>489222540There is no "we", never were, is what I'm trying to say. Pagan religions were individual rural belief systems. There was one in every village, hence the word "pagan" which meant rural. Siberian shamanism, Buddhism and Christianity were the only widespread global religions prior to Islam and contemporary Judaism. There is no such thing as "Paganism". Never were. Stop trying to sell it as some universal concept.
>>489220809A lot of parts of the bible are truthfull.If it would be lies entirely, people wouldnt have addapted it.
>>489222994>I'll take deracinated Jews over pagan White trash any day of the weekWhat else is there to say?
>>489223059>Christians worship, pagans commune.No, both do both.
>>489222909Cry harder and keep being a failure. Maybe if you pray harder to wotan you'll finally manage to lose weight.
>>489219968Power is a good god to have. Depends on the scope of the power though.
>Everyone believes they know what they're talking about - the thread.
>>489223027I have long held that religions are stories and humanity needs stories in order to function socially. When we don't have beliefs, we create new ones. No one thought the world was flat until someone did a prank and now there's hundreds of thousands of people who think the world is flat. They also believe there's an evil force (global organization) that has hidden the truth from humanity for some sinister reason, and that the chosen people (flat earthers) must reveal the truth and bring about an end to evil-ness. You can literally see the religious cogs turning in these various movements. So when Dawkins and his various optimistic friends say humanity can get rid of religions, I have no idea wtf they're on about. It will never go away.
>>489222143this
>>489222330>then why did he use 'they/them' in the old testament with the whole elohim thing?They didn't. > its what jews made upOh, those so very trustworthy jews said so, eh? Well I guess that settles it then. *eyeroll*>they know your religion better than you goy.Christians are the senior-most Abrahamic religion, not jews. Inasmuch, nah. >otherwise you wouldnt have preserved them as a witness generation...a witness to their own errors. Dumb, true, but not kept around because early Christians felt as though they had any insights to offer. >pic was a common sentiment from my understanding among Christians in the 1st century.>>489222750>Scripture was written by men.....and none of them are the messiah. To be cherished, certainly, but not worshiped. >You can't separate Christ's word from the testimony of men.I can in the case of men whose words twist Christ's toward an satanic agenda, and do. Your pope's words are no more worthy of my consideration than yours are. Less so, actually, given how the pope and I have never spoke, whereas you and I have. Know them by their works, fren.
>>489223080Indo european myths all had a common root and similar themes, they were all vaguely in the same tradition. Otherwise you are correct. "Pagan" basically just means "hillbilly."
>>489222428Det er morsomt fordi jeg gikk på en veldig kristen folkehøgskole og spurte en av vennene mine der hvor det finnes åsatru folk, og han sa at han ikke kan finne noen dessverre.
>>489223059>You put yourself below a master, we look for fellow seekers of the way.The blind cannot lead the blind. One will always emerge to proclaim themselves as (a) master, and most will always follow with just the right amount of convincing. You are inviting yourself into a culture rife with charlatans with this belief. You may not be one of them, you are here on /pol/ after all, but I do believe you will quickly find yourself disillusioned and disappointed in your fellow "practicioners"
>>489223230100% correct
>>489219992No it's not idiot you clearly haven't studied philosophy if you don't think that. There's pantheists, panentheists, deists, atheists, monotheists, polytheists, henotheists, misotheists, agnostics, nihilists, etc. so many different variations.>so why the fuck should anyone take you or your "gods" seriously if you don't take them seriously yourselves?But we do take them seriously and more importantly you should be judging us and our relationships by the fruits. When some guy talks to what he says is an alien spaceship in orbit around Earth and seems utterly crazy but he puts his hand on you and you feel a warmth and an issue you've had for years is suddenly healed never to come back you might not take exactly what he says "seriously" but you'll sure be interested in figuring out wtf he is doing and what it is he's in contact with. Some people are better at explaining the underlying mechanics of unusual phenomena (parapsychologists) and others aren't so good at it but the phenomena itself is enough to create great intrigue.
>>489223150Pray to Daddy Jew and I'm sure you'll get into heaven after you're beheaded by a Nigerian.
>>489217380Why are you guys generally so fat?Does paganism attract fat people or does practicing paganism make you fat?
>>489217380>Philosophy is paganThomas aquinas. Plato litterally threw shade on the hellenic pantheon. The church fathers. The enlightened philosophers. >No dogmas and very individualisticSo how are you gonna order society? If everyone is an individual and there are no, or little, dogmas that bind you all together, you just get into moral relevatism again.If you wanna be like the amish and have your tiny, gay pagan community in the middle of bum fuck nowhere, be my guest. You can't order a society with what you're selling. There needs to be collectivism. There needs to be a shared identity beyond just race. You need to do things which aren't just a larp. The modern world, to the degree that it is pagan, is like that becuase of regression. The cult of the body only exists becuase men don't feel like men anymore. They think that they can only be men by being bodybuilders. They think they can only be men in small moments. They think they can only affirm their masculinity with music going on in the background while they pose, checking themselves out.Wiccans are just crazy women, as is tarrot card shit.Nordic, celtic, roman paganism is unappealing. No one actually beleives that the different pantheons are real. You didn't even mention any of your gods. You haven't mentioned any of the 'beauty' in your rituals. No one wants to put on a toga or do child sacrifices, or drink out of a horn. Its a larp. It isn't real.You don't like catholicism, But it is real. People find it appealing. It is far enough to people that they can revere it as a revived tradition but close enough for it not to feel foreign. You can order society, a society and empires, with catholicsm. You don't focus on your own might but acting as the hand of god. You have empire, but suffer no guilt. Why would you be guilty for extending the reach of god?
>>489223188checked and Heil Hitlerdont you believe that you know what you are talking about when you say something?
>>489223073>That's kind of what Catholicism is, just for Latin culture. All the structure and most rituals came from Roman pagan traditions (especially mithraism), and Christianity is firmly embedded in neoplatonic philosophy. There was never much metaphysical conflict between christianity and european mythology IMO.Bullshit. The Catholic religion was established by Christ and the apostles and its cultural aspects started with hebrew, greek and roman elements. And as it spread throughout the world other cultural elements were added to it. That's called inculturation. Here are Catholics from the huasteco region of Mexico performing a song and dance in honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6kf1iZwx_g
>>489223347I did, and now I'm rich and live in a 90% white county AND I get to go to heaven. How awesome is that?
>>489217380all faith and philosophy falters between the ultimate axiom of existence:the strong rule and procreate, the weak tremble and suffer. what happens to you, you deserve it. if you dislike it, you should have prevented it. if you can't prevent it, you should have worked on it until you could. if you can't do that, you don't deserve to exist. mother nature has already developed the perfect god for us - an engine of eternal progress, a method of weeding out right from wrong naturally, on its own, without any of our interventions. submit to it, embrace it fully, place it deep in your heart, love it for all its cruelty, and your true journey into reality and yourself begins
>>489223230Religion will go away when people are finally able to comunicate with God again.
>>489217380You will never be a viking
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>>489223001>Loki isnt a godyeah he is kek>he is a demon who the other gods say to not worship like 10 different times in the pagan loreso then why are there people who worship himhttps://thetroth.org/resource/loki/>what religion are you?I'm a deist.
>>489223080Pagans didn't have a unified belief system? No shit, that's why I said that that Paganism is a God for every people.
>>489223296Det finns många hinder för att hitta Asatroende. För det första är det ganska få av oss, knappt några tusen i hela Sverige. Tror det är likadant i Norge, och Danmark. Island är nog lättare. Men sedan är inte Asatron proselytisk heller. Vi missionerar inte, och det finns inget behov av att sprida religionen. Om någon är tillräckligt intresserad kommer de leta tills de hittar, och är de inte intresserade så letar de inte.
>>489223408Stop being autistic, people like you are why the church is dying. Spamming walls of texts convinces no one.>And as it spread throughout the world other cultural elements were added to it.Mostly after the 1960s or for political reasons. That's the way the world works, sadly.
>>489223373>So how are you gonna order society?the way it orders itself naturally. those strong enough to rule, rule. those capable enough to follow, follow. those that are neither, die. any mobility from the three categories is possible at any time from anyone and proven only through the physical reality of death and life. everything else is homosexual moralism that falls apart with a good punch to the face.
>>489223410>I'm rich and live in a 90% white countyFor now
>>489220119That describes every church.Next time visit the Perimeter Institute when you want to see real paganism.Well, it's been fucked since the lockdowns, so I can't recommend it anymore. It was originally white people working on quantum physics now it's taken over by woke feminists and the place may as well be shutdown as it ostracizes wrongthink. Truly sad what it has become.
>>489223099I would rather deal with an enemy than a traitor. Pagans are the must insufferable midwits imaginable.
>>489223486If you say so.
>>489223566That's all well and good but is completely useless for actually living life
>>489220167>if you believe in Neoplatonism you secretly worship a semitic fairytale character "Satan"This is how stupid you look.
>>489223613>If you say so.a lot of people need to say so, then it will happen.But this is a very general statement.
>>489223685It's not my place to tell you what to believe, but I would lie if I said I believe the same thing.
>>489220200Freemasonry and Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and Rosicrucianism all have rites. I think scientology does too. There's also a lot of stuff people still just do and we don't really associate it with like a church or a website or whatever but they are none the less ways to expand consciousness, contemplate something, understand something, test oneself, etc.
>>489223611Funny how you consider kikes to be traitors and whites who don't follow your religion to be enemies
>>489223630youre wrong. its the only way to live life.what exactly do you need help with, in 'living life'?getting a wife? conquer her. getting a raise, a priviledge, or social status? conquer it. getting a home? carve it out for yourself.everything you need, you obtain by your physical and mental faculties. everything you lack, you don't deserve it until you earn it, and you deserve everything you earn. this is the inescapable penultimate of life. your 'rights' and 'morals' only extend as far as your left hook and lowkick does.
>>489223757You completely misunderstood my post
>>489223555https://bifrost.no/Jeg skal gjøre Åsatru stor igjen. Jeg er Norsk. Jeg skal bli Viking!
>>489223287>>Scripture was written by men.>....and none of them are the messiah. To be cherished, certainly, but not worshiped.The Church has always venerated them. And worship mean veneration.You that only Christ's words have any weight. That is illogical and it has never been a Christian belief. All the scriptures are inspired by God and they were written by men. >I can in the case of men whose words twist Christ's toward an satanic agenda, and do.You are a prot heretic. Protestantism is satanic. You don't recognize the true religion so you think that its satanic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNE0t_gg_Rg
>>489220290Go read Ted Kaczynski and contemplate what he says about reducing a culture or idea into a mere costume.Because you are getting this impression by focusing on people in costumes.
>>489223527>PaganismAnon, I...
>>489223566And if the strong desire for your home to be flooded by immigrants? They want to reduce the competition, create a cast system. What then? Just saying the strong rule, might is right is nonsense. You don't create empires with just strength. Alexander the great wasn't just strong. He was smart. Ceaser, like wise.What about napolean, was he super strong? Of course not. He was smart.Hitler wasn't the strongest either. He was smart. He was strategic. The strong rules idea is such a pathetic regression.
>>489222222Wasted autistic rambling
>>489223815Tror inte vikingar är nödvändiga längre, piratverksamhet är mer en Somalisk grej nu för tiden. Men tycker du att det är meningsfullt att övertyga människor, så kör på.
>>489220396>literally spic bleeting crust is kangSo which group of white boomers is sending the gibes to keep your local congregation going in your shithole?
>>489223791It's the opposite. Thanks for proving you're a mong
>>489223943hahahaha
>>489223794>youre wrong. its the only way to live life.Objectively yes, subjectively not at all>getting a wife? conquer her.Why?>getting a raise, a priviledge, or social status? conquer it.Why?>getting a home? carve it out for yourself.Why?>everything you need, you obtain by your physical and mental faculties. everything you lack, you don't deserve it until you earn it, and you deserve everything you earn. this is the inescapable penultimate of life. your 'rights' and 'morals' only extend as far as your left hook and lowkick doesThat's objectively true, but why should anyone conform to that? Plenty are fine with passivity or other options and there's no guarantee they'll be exterminated. Describing the laws of nature tells us nothing about how we should act or what we should want. I get how you feel but it's a kind of idolatry and is not actually self evident. You might as well worship gravity just because it underpins all life.
>>489220401I do that all the time but lately the Christians are pissing me off about just the same as the Atheists. Actually my last like 5 threads have been all mocking Darkmatter2525 because his latest atheist videos are super cringe.
>>489223875I know it's not very Finnish to give up, but I don't think you're going to get through to him. You need to let it go.
>>489223720You should generally not believe what another anon says on this site.Taking this into account I have absolutly no idea why I post anywhere outside of humor threads.
>>489217380So when will you stop identifying by a christian umbrella term and look at your belief through a christian lense?It's like modern paganism is becoming more of a "not-christianity" kinda thing instead of having its own energy.Besides all the things you describe are not necessarily excluded by christianity, so what's the big deal?No I am not christian nor a christianity enthusiast.
>>489223902>And if the strong desire for your home to be flooded by immigrants? then i try to stop it. if i can not, i dont deserve to have that home, the immigrants have proven their right to it - the same way the anglo-saxons that you hailed from proved their right to britain. im sure you have no qualms with that?>They want to reduce the competition, create a cast system. What then? then the reduced competition will destroy them through means of dysgenics - nature has implemented mechanisms to protect against an entrenched stagnant status quo.>You don't create empires with just strength.you do. that's all it takes>a list of smart rulers1. true, practical intelligence only blossoms in a powerful and healthy body. you get unhealthy degenerates like marx otherwise. it's the principle of kalos kagathos, that beauty and goodness go hand in hand. 2. intelligence is strength. all forms of power are valid, so long they are effective>The strong rules idea is such a pathetic regressionyou only see it this way if you fear where an order like that would put you -rightfully at the bottom.
>>489224013You're an atheist who wants to feel the benefit of faith
>We are also highly individualistic, everyone has their own worldview, there isn't one guy who decides the dogmas/doctrines so each pagan you talk to has different ideas about reality Cuck mentality
>>489220530Why should we worship any man or god?We prefer to commune with men and gods not worship them.Worship is semitic crap.
>>489224067What else are you going to spend your time on? Tiktok? Facebook? Jerking off? This is in no way a worse alternative than any of those. This is the age of brain rot, embrace the putrification anon.
>>489222222Checked I guess, pagans vs Christians has always been interesting
>>489223875>"Different peoples shouldn't have a unified religion, they should follow their own pagan religions" >"Paganism wasn't a unified religion"
>>489223902There is merit to the whole "might makes right" school of thought. On one hand, one might argue that intelligence and cleverness is a form of might in and of itself. On the other, if you are simply the strongest, doesn't matter how strong or clever the other guy is, if you can simply overpower him no matter what, then you win, and can impose your ideas no matter how stupid or nonsensical. That is, until someone stronger comes along, and you are no longer the mightiest. Doesn't matter how many facts you can recite if big Unga Alphanjustncaves your skull in. However, my thought on all of this is, true might comes from the combination of both physical might and intellectual superiority. A synergy of both, not all too dissimilar to Plato's Wise Philospher-King and how that synergizes untonitselfnas the best form of governance.
>>489224002>subjectively not at allsubjectivity is irrelevant to these discussions, because it's up to you anyways - that's why it's called 'subjective'.>Why?to satisfy the beast that you harbor, the same one that invented a fire, then started a farm, then went to the moon. its insatiable and demands progress and achievement. if you fail, feelings of loneliness and failure occur. if you can tolerate them, that's fine. but almost nobody can. >but why should anyone conform to that?because you can't escape it> Plenty are fine with passivity or other options and there's no guarantee they'll be exterminated.if they're not exterminated, then they deserve to live, and are clearly doing something right.then comes the second test. can they breed?then comes the third test. can their offspring live, and breed? im not just describing these laws for the sake of describing themtheyre laws because they are what we live by - the same way we can't democracy gravity away. civilization is founded upon running away from these laws of nature, because they scare us in their cruelty. im asking you to consider a society aligned with these laws, instead of opposed to them. i have to go now, but until next time.
>>489223342>There's pantheists, panentheists, deists, atheists, monotheists, polytheists, henotheists, misotheists, agnostics, nihilists, etc. so many different variations.no there's fucking not, and you listed multiple things that are essentially the same thing twice, so you clearly don't know what you're fucking talking about. Deism, misotheism and panentheism are types/applications of monotheism, pantheism is a retarded middleground between atheism and monotheism. Henotheism is still operating in a monotheistic framework because the lesser entities are ultimately irrelevant. There is no serious philosophy, ever, that uses polytheism to engage with ontological and epistemic dilemmas. >you should be judging us and our relationships by the fruitslike what, kekbeing a dime-a-dozen retard on 4chan?
https://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1906thoughtvibration.pdfRead the foreword to this book. I'll copy and paste part of it here but read the whole thing. It's really important because it defines a whole mindset that is key to understanding what I am saying:>As for sitting at anyone’s feet, the idea arouses all the spirit of independence within me. I don’t want to sit at any one’s feet—and I don’t want any one to sit at mine. I am willing, and often glad, to listen to some teacher and to pick from his teachings such bits of truth as my mind is ready to receive. I am willing to say “I don’t know,” and to accept from others that which appeals to me as truth; not because the other says that it is truth, but because my mind recognizes it as such. I take my own wherever I find it, because I recognize it as mine. I know that all students and teachers get their knowledge from the only source of supply—they can’t get it from anywhere else. And if some other fellow happens to see a particular bit of truth before I do, I gladly accept a portion of it from his hands, be he king or beggar; while if I happen to see the thing first, I will gladly share it with all who are ready for it, and who may want it, without feeling that I am a “leader,” or “teacher,” or that they are “followers” or “disciples.” We are all fellow students—that’s all. I recognize no man as my master—and I spurn the person who would call me “Master,” if there be any so foolish. This feet-sitting talk makes me very, very weary.
>>489223962>Says he's a race traitor who would pick Jews over white non-Christians>Gets exposed >"Uh, actually I meant the opposite"
>>489224081I have faith aka confident expectation in all of its forms including the negative form of fear and the positive forms. We are all creatures of faith. We have faith the sun will rise, faith in our axioms, faith in patterns which have remained consistent throughout our lives, faith in the "regularities" or laws of the cosmos, etc. I am in no way bereft of faith. I am also not an atheist, I'm a panentheist, and recognize that the all is immanent within the creation and transcendent of it (for the whole is greater than its parts).
>>489223561>people like you are why the church is dying.No, there's no causality there. >Mostly after the 1960s or for political reasonsNo, in ancient times. https://catholicism.org/what-is-inculturation.html
>>489223821>And worship mean veneration.What? No. >never been a Christian belief. According to whom and why should I care? >You are a prot heretic.And you're not my judge, and neither is E. Michael Jones, or your pederast-in-chief. God is and only Him.
>>489224346>The Law of Attractionkek neopaganism really is WE WUZ for snow niggers
>>489224160>Why should we worship any man or god?Because its right to worship the creator of all things who is all good and has absolute authority over humans and who became incarnate. >We prefer to commune with men and gods not worship them.There's no we there.
>>489220634Caring about big fancy buildings and nice clothing and great art and poetry is actually based.Your average Christian today only worships the holy nigger, the holy fag, and the holy jew. Many of them meet in a pathetic "church" because all the church money instead of buying a nice building it went to settling down more niggers into their white nation.
>>489224269*diamond dozen>>489224241>to satisfy the beast that you harbor, the same one that invented a fire, then started a farm, then went to the moon. its insatiable and demands progress and achievement. You're correct, but what happens after the victory? What do you do when you have no enemies left to conquer, turn inward towards hedonism and collapse as the west has over the past few centuries? You'll rightly say>the west deserves to die if it diesBut that tells us nothing about whether to accept the death now or find a deeper meaning in existence. It's just descriptive, but such a powerful description that you (and I when I was younger) feel that it prescribes adherance to itself.>I denied myself nothing my eyes desired;> I refused my heart no pleasure.>My heart took delight in all my labor,> and this was the reward for all my toil.>Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done> and what I had toiled to achieve,>everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind;> nothing was gained under the sun.
>>489224402Anti-Christians are race traitors. Being White is basically being defined by your adherence to the historic culture of our European ancestors, which is Christianity.
>>489220645You skipped the part where the kybalion explicitly says that the principle of gender has nothing to do with phallicism. Idiot.And the principle of vibration is extremely profound. Christcucks believed the Earth didn't move and was at the center of the universe. Enlightened men see that the the center of the infinite is everywhere.
>>489224402>Says he's a race traitor who would pick Jews over white non-ChristiansBased alert, hail zioborea
>>489220666This is another example of "Christian on a census, pagan in practice". Haiti is supposedly all Catholic but it's all just voodoo niggers in reality. Poland is supposedly very Christian and yet pagan traditions exist still there because they work.
>>489224078My guy. You can't tell me that you're okay with a black guy raping your wife just because he beat you up or killed you. You can't say strength is everything. Stength is physical. We differentiate between physical strength and other types of strength. When you say might is right, you're dealing with a particular type of strength. Its the type of strength that the vikings would hail. Its not intelligence. Intelligence was something specifically chosen for in culture because of christianity and nature getting rid of 'dysgenic' people.You don't. Africans would of been able to create a successful empire if it was just about strength.I fear it because i'm not stupid. One moment i'm the hero in everyones eyes, the next a grenade comes my way and my arms can't be used. Now what? I'm useless now. My sacrifice, all i've done for my family and country, but your veiw, all of that would be negated. I could just be reduced to a lower cast and my family denied their fair dues. Thats not dignified. Especially considering the times we're in, where warfare is increasingly more crafty and not based on men going at other men with the might of their bodies and sword, its stupid.
>>489224492>>And worship mean veneration.>What? No.Yes. Look up the definitions of the words. >According to whom and why should I care?According to the fact that scripture is the written word of God and was written by men, and that sacred tradition transmits the word of God in its entirety. >And you're not my judge, and neither is E. Michael Jones, or your pederast-in-chief.God is and only Him.Where did you get that?Matthew 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.1 Corinthians 6:3 Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things of this world?
>>489217380>see all of philosophy. That is paganismNo, it's not, philosophy it's mostly bullshit. Turns out you didn't actually want to figure out the truth. Especially the philosophy pseuds saw the need to put into books, so I guess your lack of books is a good thing.
>>489224778Then doesn't that make all the initial European converts race traitors for abandoning their historic culture which was Paganism?
>>489224914>Haiti is supposedly all CatholicNo one supposes that.
>>489220691Everyone literally does have their own worldview though dude it's just the truth of it. You might not like it but it is what it is. It's inevitable.Yes pagan is a ridiculous term and we're better off not calling ourselves pagan. I also call myself National Socialist and not nazi.I never said anything to say "just a bunch of stories". All of history is a story and many stories have value in them. My life is also a story, I can tell you about my life and the result is a story, and you will have to interpret my story and try to understand it. The real value of my life and story is what you can achieve through it.You have to read the rest of the posts made by me to see how your characterization of me is so WRONG.
>>489224778>Anti-Christians are race traitors. Being White is basically being defined by your adherence to the historic culture of our European ancestors, which is Christianity.There is no white race so there aren't race traitors to a white race. White is a deracinated pseudo identity imposed on people to control them. Real races are ethnic groups, not larger imaginary groups.
>>489217380Pagans are just fools. Pagans join their religion to partake in drugs or try to fit in their beliefs of an old world theory.
>>489217380>EROTIC>TUMMY
>>489224238Might is right is nature. I am under no delusion the importence of remembering that forgetting nature is retarded.But you cannot have might alone. Simplifying everything to might, especially nowadays, will not make people fight. When you want to start a war, you need pretext. You need to give people a moral to fight for. Morality moves the people to become mighty or to reduce them to shame.Jews did not win because they were mighty. They won because they were smart. We won't beat them with strength, we have to be smarter than them
>>489220738Well you better convince more Christians of this. Most of the black Christians are all strongly against miscegenation but many white Christians need to be taught about this.
>>489225033No, because Christianity is true and Paganism is retarded. Were Pagans race traitors for betraying stick-man-on-cave-wall?
>>489224809>nothing to do with phallicismuh huh>And the principle of vibration is extremely profound.Oh, I'm sure. >Christcucks believed the Earth didn't move and was at the center of the universeSo does your dumb pagan ass, or do you not know your own cosmology? Midgard is flat, doesn't move and is smack dab in the middle of all the other realms. Also nothing says "profound" like an appeal to science and empiricism.
>>489220850White people have the midas touch. Everything they touch turns to gold.Meanwhile shitskins ruin everything they get associated with.
>>489220872I'm not doing that or I wouldn't be so vitriolic now would I be? I'm not trying to charm.
>>489224809You are mistaken. It was the greeks who brought up the idea of the everything revolving around the earth. Everyone else just accepted it. It wasn't until the Christian scientist and Christian theologian Capernium said the earth revolves around the sun.
>>489220922So what are neoplatonists then if not pagan?
>>489225033>their historic culture which was Paganism?all paganism originated from outside EuropeGreek/Roman pantheon is unironically Semitic in origin, German/Norse/Celtic came from steppes
>>489224965>Look up the definitions of the words. No you. >According to scriptureJust going to gloss over Matthew 6, eh? The red letters? Good goy. >Where did you get that?The Bible.
>>489221056The fall of the third reich was the real beginning of the end.
>>489225344You understand what dysgenic means, right?If you reduce white people to primitivism, you invide more thuggish dysgenic people. If they get out of that dysgenic condition, they'll cease to be pagan again
>>489225303So not believing that a Jew from the Middle East is God makes you a European race traitor?
>>489225569*invite
>>489225575I beleive betraying the traditions that carried your ancestors from the dark ages to getting on the moon certainly makes you suspect
>>489225575 see >>489225653
>>489221114Your desires become more and more noble with each incarnation as the things that held sway over you before stop attracting you and this evolves your consciousness to a higher state until one day you have cosmic consciousness. Just practice the virtues and be noble. Follow the various branches of yoga.
>>489225418Your whole thread was made to convince others of your legitimacy. But you trying to convince others of your legitimacy is like Thor trying to wrestle Elli. There is no version of this where you win. The whole of Edda puts emphasis on this over and over: you are your deeds and you are nothing but your deeds. Everything else is a distraction. Race, nations, creeds, bloodlines. None of that is persuasive. But a deed cannot be debated. So I don't see the utility in what you do here. Though, I do enjoy seeing various arguments, so I guess if you aim to entertain, you succeeded.
>>489221161Paganism is literally everything that isn't Christianity you know.Like Epicureanism the idea that reality consists of fundamental indivisible particles that is one form of paganism for example.
>>489225653Pagans created European civilization and Christians continued it.
>>489221538Scapegoating is cringe there's a church father that interprets Jesus as an example to be followed instead of a scapegoat. That guy is more based. Forget his name, maybe it was "Origen" or something?
>>489225967Rome is the heart of Europe. Catholicism is all the truly remains from Rome
>>489221542>be UK>"conquer" your "enemies">actually just end up making them all more powerful, numerous, and better off living at the expense of your own people>few hundred years later they all hate you for it and invade your land and act like what you did for them was the worst thing ever>UK now dying outCucktianity in action.
>>489226212Bruh
>>489226232Read "The White Man's Burden" for peak Christcuckery.
>>489226232You just gonna skip over the anglo jewish allience? If you wanna go there, how come france, russia, protgual, spain and the rest all expelled the jews at the height of their religious zeal?>Napoleon (France) cucked to jews after the enlightenment. >Jews really took to the lime light after England went protestant. >Jews have their highest prominance now in an atheist society
>>489221645I want to tell you something that is important.The people and whatever else that have higher consciousness, as well as just ordinary people (it's all at different degrees), that have the ability to connect/commune with other minds well if they are to develop their mind to a higher state then many minds feel dirty to them and they must not get swept up in their perversions. They have to give up violence, lust, greed, etc. because these things defile a man and waste his time and energy. So there is a separation that happens because one can either suffer with the dregs or dance in heaven. Some willingly choose to commune with lower beings and temporarily take in their poison, it drags them down but it uplifts the lower being, and they do this to try and I guess you could say "save" them.This is the reality of what you might call "heaven" and "hell". Some people are in a synchronistic state because of their mindset that keeps them constantly in connection with good events and people. They might walk past someone else though who is always in connection with bad events and people. There are the "condemned" and the "saved" so to speak together both on one plane physically but practically unable to cross paths. The more separate they become by reason of their spiritual condition, the less they can cross paths in any way. The really spiritually strong though can bear the burden of the really depraved and will descend into "hell" as a kind of spiritual weight-training / spiritual speed-run.
>>489225921>Paganism is literally everything that isn't Christianity you know.if you want to use a Church definition from 1000 years ago, sureand of course you'd want to so that you can hide your buttfucking polytheism behind something that approaches quasi-sensible
>>489226629No offense, man. You're really not as smart as you think you are
>>489221745Who said scripture was "infallible"? Jesus or Paul?
>>489226316Bro, you haven't convinced anyone of paganism.You haven't told anyone of us how it helps in state craft. You haven't explained how its institutions would work.You people have just said might is right and then tried to shit on chirstianity. Nothing you've said is appealing, nor does it seem you have any strategy to bring it to the masses, nor mentioned how it would benefit the masses.
>>489226781Scripture is the Word of God, God is infallible, Scripture is infallibleThis is like toddler level logic
>>489226781 see >>489226788
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>>489226788I'm not actually a pagan. I criticized Christianity because I recognize the issues it has in regards to the survival of the white race (issues that based Christians either ignore or don't even think are issues). White people need a new religious movement, but it needs to be an ethno-religion that puts our people first, or at the very least allows us to act in our own group interest without shame.
