It has always been a problem for me to find people who think like me.I adhere to a very strange ideology that I thought up myself... but I seriously doubt that there are no other people in the world who think the same way.I looked for like-minded people among:- Traditionalists (but they didn't like that I am sharply against the family (for the abolition of family and marriage) and for a person to have an unprecedented degree of personal freedom from birth), and I am also against religion.- Communists don't like me because I am against collectivism and natalism, and I am also against atheism... they also don't understand why in my ideology each person should have at least 70 acres of personal land.- Anarchocapitalists are those who should have understood me better than anyone (they are closer in ideas, but still, as it turned out, quite far away), but unfortunately they did not leave the hierarchy system, for them the strong eat the weak, like in the wild (Their individualism according to Ayn Rand... and my term of individualism is completely different and has more to do with the degree of autonomy)... and there are practically no regulatory principles and ethics. My system is not about the strong and the weak... not about Slaves and Masters... it is about non-hierarchy, not about anarchy.---------------I am an Idealist, Utopian, Apatheist, for decentralized systems with strict principles and self-regulation of a small group of up to 100 people, which lay a solid foundation for micro-communities, with enormous personal freedom, but only among like-minded people... such an ideology simply does not allow people with different views on life. Also, such a system does not accept new participants from the outside. ---------------Are there anyone here who thinks the same way as I do?
You have to be 18 to post here saar
>>489788567The problem always with with the concept of ownership.>is there a public area?>who pays for it / maintains it / stops other people from owning it?>what happens when you run out of land?>who decides?>who enforces?basic logical paradoxes with such a view
>>489788567>non-hierarchyThat is an entirely internal thing however.
>>489788746I'm twice as old, I'm just developmentally delayed...
>>489788567you believe that a very regimented but unrealistic societal structure could work, that's great. but people will never conform to that structure and if they ever did it would be because they were forced to
Anarchist chuds think they can get rid of hierarchy when it's innate to human beings and coded in our biology lmao
>ist and ism world saladTell me your a fucking retard without telling me your a fucking retardists and isms are antithetical to knowledge you dipshit.The only thing that matters is OBJECTIVE truth.
>>489788567Feeling like an outlier in a world of predefined ideologies can be challenging, but it also highlights your creativity and willingness to think independently.Your ideas about decentralized, self-regulated communities and ethical non-hierarchy are intriguing and align with certain aspects of existing experimental communities like eco-villages, intentional living groups, or even certain strains of libertarian socialism, they might provide a starting point for dialogue, inspiration, and perhaps collaboration.
>>489789036Thank you chat gpt
>>489789036gpt
>>489788567pol doesn't like you cuz you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.
>>489788818>is there a public area?>who pays for it / maintains it / stops other people from owning it?Land in a community is divided 50/50% - 50% is public property, 50% is PERSONAL (not to be confused with private)------------------------BUT! All public property in the community is essentially shared ownership of the common land fund... Just like the external trading fund of the community, where the shares are also equally divided.>what happens when you run out of land?The Earth does not end because the number of people is always strictly controlled. It never exceeds 100 people (according to a slightly modified Dunbar theory, taken as a basis)>who decides?>who enforces?basic logical paradoxes with such a viewThe system is pre-planned, its main trump card is the decentralized autonomy of each participant. People themselves must implement all the principles and observe each other through public meetings, so that people with "changed views on life" cannot disrupt the pre-planned nature of the system and the observance of ethics and principles. If a person ideologically falls out of the system, then his shares can be compensated, and he himself can go outside the community...
>>489788849I propose to single it out as an external thing into a separate philosophical domain.
I have this flag that is stuck and won't change. I don't even know what it stands for.
>>489788977Or...because it is in their interests...I have been unable to find like-minded people for a long time, because some of the things or principles prevent people from perceiving the ideology as a whole, that it is not a deception or another cunning plan of a sect leader... it simply falls outside the coordinate political grid.Roughly speaking, my idea was to provide people with a platform for equal development, so that there would be neither SERVANTS NOR MASTERS around them. An incubator for individuals, researchers, visionaries, inventors... And so that such a society would be like a home for them, where they could come and say that they feel comfortable here, always find support and a place for reflection and creativity, which would give a start to their lives and develop the people around them.
>>489789771I, too, used to seek help from ready-made ideological systems, until I realized that none of them simply suited me.As a result, I started making the system myself, using the evolution of hermitism as a basis.
>>489788989I think it's possible. You just need to think very carefully.
>>489788991>>489788917
>>489789036That would be absolutely amazing, I'm glad you got the gist of the thread.If you want, you can ask questions about the structure of such a society, I would be interested in talking.
>>489789086>>489789139By the way, it’s more interesting to communicate with GPT than with real people. Communication with AI gave me a lot of new things in terms of analysis and elaboration of ideology.
>>489790058No it's not possible as long as there's someone more assertive than the next person.
>>489788567>unprecedented degree of personal freedom from birthStopped reading. Worthless post.
>>489788567Back in the 1800s and less commonly through the 1900s lots and lots of people tried living in small group communes with different setups, almost all of them failed very fast, except for the ones with a STONG religious organization. Think about why. Even if you make it past the 10 year mark, it is incredibly hard to pass such a structure on to a new generation of children.>70 acres per person.Posts like this is how we know you are underage.
>>489790282An important part of this system of ideology is that it simply turns off the algorithms of competition and hierarchical importance.This happens through a system of strict ethics and principles, if a person stops observing them or makes attempts at a hierarchical takeover of ideology through the manifestation of a subtle hierarchy (experience, knowledge of psychology, charisma) and other manipulations... then the council of 99 of his former like-minded people sends him to exile with compensation for his share in the community, his genetic seed is removed from the common genetic pool, and in subsequent generations his DNA is washed outAll this is done through meetings of the councilThis is how ideological self-regulation of the community is carried out
>>489790729>more experienced people should not have more power.Dumb.
>>489789858>Or...because it is in their interests...all i'm saying is that believing in idealistic systems is almost akin to having a favorite book or song. it's fine, it can feel rewarding, but it's ultimately nothing because it cannot produce action. in general, you will never find people who just happen to have come to the same conclusions as you, though that does happen, it's easier to find people who respect thinking about these things and will hear your ideas out to the point where they might agree with them
You've described a cult.
>>489790402Children are placed in environments for personal development (adults have very limited contact in such areas, which allows the little person’s personality to grow as individualistically as possible)Naturally, when a child learns about the world around him, ideology is present nearby, BUT, unlike others, it does not impose its will... It has always been important to me that a person makes a choice himself, and not the system for him...Upon reaching adulthood (which occurs at age 15), a child is given a choice. He can visit and observe the action of the external hierarchical society...if he likes it better, then he leaves. If a child understands and accepts the whole essence of the society where he lives (non-hierarchical) then he remains.
>>489791107> Children are placed in environments for personal development (adults have very limited contact in such areas, which allows the little person’s personality to grow as individualistically as possible)I can’t even bother to explain how dumb this is, try living real life.
>>489790682>70 acres per person.>Posts like this is how we know you are underage.With this I wanted to show how much freedom the system gives to personal space.Perhaps many of my thoughts look naive and like the thoughts of a child... but you are children too... you just grew up and betrayed your inner child, exchanging his will for the will of the system that you hate.------------------------>almost all of them failed very fast, except for the ones with a STONG religious organizationThis happened because people never took on the restructuring of the BIOLOGICAL PATTERN itself... HIERARCHY.I immediately said that I want to build a society on the principle of non-hierarchy and am looking for people who think NON-HIERARCHAL...This system is not for everyone.This system is only for those who can think the same way and have always thought this way... since childhood.“don’t put your foot on another person’s throat and don’t let someone else put their foot on your throat”
>>489789760Need to keep any filthy casuals off that astral plane then ofc.
>>489790796This is the principle of a non-hierarchical system - a society without power.I'm not looking for criticism from strangers, but only like-minded people who think the same way as me.
>>489791506How do you intend to effectively eliminate familial child rearing and "collectivism" at the same time? Do newborns from the polycule orgy get dropped off on their 70 acres or something?
>>489790852It’s just that normies who adapt to any ideology do not interest me, because such people will not be able to realize and understand the essence of the system... it’s like consumers who entered a store and go to buy a “product”I don't sell "product".I'm looking for like-minded people. People-creators, not people - flock/consumers.In addition, the system will exist due to self-control, which will require a lot of dedication from people and the prevention of the emergence of cases of subtle hierarchies (charisma, experience, psycho-manipulation)
>>489791077This is not a cult when everyone in it is equal, but the highest goal = the personal goal of each person = individualism.I simply philosophically locked the ideological goal of an individual onto the ideological goal of an entire society... limiting society to 100 people (Maximum number of empathic connections)
>>489788567>I have a problem finding people with my extremely personalized, likely autistic, world-view ya dont say?>>489789179this guy gets it, probably fucks too
>>489791760Because there WILL BE NO families... I talked about this in the OP post... in the thread about “why traditionalists don’t like me”There is also no collectivism in a society of individualists (this was described in the thread about why communists don’t like me)--------------------------Relationships in society will be similar to highly developed polyamoryThere will be a single genetic pool, which will prevent the emergence of dynasties and families, and therefore prevent the emergence of some nepotism associated with family ties.----------Children will be raised in a certain environment, mostly isolated from adults. Until a certain time, they will be taken care of by older members of the community in shifts (in situations where automation cannot cope).In the rest, they will study, study and study, all the practice and interesting activities that are not taught in ordinary schools and institutes ... for example, they will make their own workshops, grow food, build houses, make furniture for themselves ... learn to be independent autonomous people and show their creativity.
>>489791983I really don't understand how you're going to prevent hierarchy from emerging from the starting conditions without some mechanism for imposing the collective will. I suppose if we achieve the technological singularity this is feasible. There isn't much of a reason to exploit people if they have nothing of value to offer. I'd work on getting your 700 acres and figure the rest out as you go.
>>489791991He is simply scared by a person with a different worldview...this is a normal phenomenon. I'm already used to this on pol/
>>489788567Don’t mean to sound like a dickhead, but have you watched Naruto shippuden? I only ask because you’re basically and individualist, that only trusts himself; it sounds like you want to protect the world by destroying it. Madara. I just want you to know that potentially, there is no one that thinks like you. And (unironically) that’s an absolutely amazing thing. You’re one of a kind anon. You get to choose how you use your gift: so, do you want to use it for yourself, or for others?
>>489792536In fact, this will be a mechanism of first "natural" selection...and then artificial selection...according to a philosophical principle...if a child has a gene that allows him to show signs of loyalty to our ideology, we will continue to consolidate these genes through the next generations...it’s simple. Soft Eugenics and Gene Editing.
>>489791489Yes, that’s the problem...ordinary people from the street won’t come up. They will not realize the importance of principles. Many of them can only bring the baggage of hierarchical patterns of behavior... which will have a very bad effect on the community and lead to its destruction.Therefore, when starting such an ideology, it is important to close the recruitment of new people forever. Such a society can only be replenished from within...from the internal genetic pool...here I'm probably VERY CLOSE to the traditionalists, even closer than they themselves are to their own ideology, lol
>>489792786The people you're looking for are likely in in the Jackson Wyoming area if they exist at all. >https://foundersfund.com/2024/02/hereticon-2024/Get invited to something like this. Good luck on your utopia.
>>489792770No, I in no way want to change the world around me...I’m sorry that many people, seeing my ideology, think that I’m going to change the whole world. This is absolutely not true.I'm only going to create a small community of 100 people. Which will not expand or pursue expansionist policies. Not ideologically or in any other way.Such a society will be able to live next to a system that completely contradicts the principles of this community... and peacefully coexist.It's like a refuge... A kind of non-hierarchical version of the Asimov Institute (but without manipulation and Expansion)... a very rough analogy.
>>489790729Nah bro I want to be at the top and dominate. You can't stop me because anarchists can't fight.
>>489793268This is interesting... perhaps it’s worth attending such events to find people somewhere outside the Internet, because the image of a person from the Internet and from reality can be quite different.
>>489793459Don’t be afraid, friend, no one will encroach on your system... we’ll just put ours next to each other and quietly coexist, you won’t even notice us.
>>489791333For what? I already live real life and it disgusts me. I want to live in an ideal world, in a society that will motivate me to get up in the morning and do real things... and not like now.I'm too demotivated to fight for anyone else's ideological crap other than my own...
>>489793299>peacefully coexist.It sounds like you have never experienced the displeasure of talking to socialists, punks and other blame-based people. They would start hating and then sabotaging you for merely doing better than them, cause [inset random excuse].Peaceful coexistence will be very difficult, because they will blame you for all their mistakes. You will be their external enemy and hate towards you will be beneficial to their internal cohesion.On another note: Do you have any form of communications, besides this thread?Some Discord server perhaps?
>>489789688but some jew can just come with 199 niggers and beat you up with sticks and take all your shit>we will organize and defend>essentially theoretical communism
>>489793969>They would start hating and then sabotaging you for merely doing better than them, cause [inset random excuse].This is difficult to do with a community that is closed, extremely small and shadowy.-------------------------------------------------->On another note: Do you have any form of communications, besides this thread?Some Discord server perhaps?There is no general planned discord platform with people yet, but I may create one soon.I have old personal discord servers... they are empty, I am not very good at maintaining and developing discord servers. They could be used as a simple dormant meeting place for people, so that at some point in time they can be activated.I would like to make a thematic server only after I finish my work on reddit - by summer of next year (from January of next year I plan to go there to find like-minded people there too). I have spent a lot of time on /p, mostly to no avail.
>>489788567>Hold totally incoherent worldview>"Nobody thinks like me, I am le so special"If your main hobby is to put fireants on your balls, and nobody wants to join, maybe it's just a retarded hobby
>>489794323Theoretically, any person with sufficient power and resources can swat us like a fly if he considers us a threat.It's not about strength. It's about integration and shadow coexistence.We are not expansive, quiet, do not shine... A society designed for long-term pre-planned development.
>>489795796This is probably true, you know better.
>>489793969if you liked the ideas...I usually post my thoughts here under the ideology called Non-Hierarchical Individualism.We can somehow communicate via /soc if you make a request and I see your message in any of the threads, because it is most likely prohibited to publish Discord channels outside of certain topics.
>>489791818what does this have to do with normies? you can't even find one single like minded person and you expect 100 people to thrive in your little imaginary pocket civilization? you don't even realize that humans don't act in their self interest. you don't understand people which is why your model is just a nonsense dream
>>489796307This is obvious...for a person who professes non-hierarchical ideas, normies are everyone who professes hierarchy.You can't understand ideas because the system is in your genetics, it's around you... you've accepted the system. I haven't. People like me will go to the grave at 80 with the mentality of a child (not because I lived my life as an autist or got dementia, but simply because my worldview hasn't changed since childhood).Accordingly, I am looking for people like myself. I know that they exist...they just find it difficult to make contact.They lock themselves in their own worlds. I want to create a system that would allow us to unite these worlds for better and more fruitful cooperation.
>>489793063Yeah, they need to be safely wrapped in society. You still gotta observe useful emergence rates here btw. Unless you wanna found something offworld, then you will be stuck mostly with a certain stock.
>>489797496>Unless you wanna found something offworldWhat exactly did you mean here?
