Realistically, what is the future for the transgender movement in the west?
>>516176286Cope & RopeMossad shot Kirk btw
>>516176286the right will again realize trannies and femboys are in fact cool and basednick fuentes is the tastemaker on thisthe bussy is just too strong to reject
retreating back into internet spaces i.e. discord
>>516176286We will be chilling and enjoying life as per usual until you get over your retarded obsession
Its a suicidal movement. The whole point is to do as much damage to white nations as possible while it exists.It may become entrenched if baby factories are created and allowed to exist.
>>516176286the same as it is now.Go arrest the financial beneficiarys of DuPont and Dow and big Pharma (all Republican) if you have a problem with wacked out genetics due to chemical exposure.
dead and gonechrist is returning and most people are getting ready for that
its a death cult. they mutilate themselves and get angrier and angrier. its a mental illness. never saw an old tranny they dont live that long. soon the kikes will realize its more damage promoting that shit than its worth. wakes up to many normal people. its already a dying fad, who knows whats next, but I was in school in the 90s it was punks than it went to goths and than emos, i dk how many iterations of losers it went before they started cutting their cocks off to be edgy but it wont last.
>>516176286into the trash it goes :)
>>516176286The issue was fake.All focus is exclusively on the most extremist trans ideologies instead of on, say, intersex rights, which is supported by the population and can build coalitions.The intersex community stands against all forms of nonconsensual body modification.
>>516176569Don't use Toki for your shitposts
>>516176642the trans experiment was born out of the marxist universities to destroy the west. the only place they belong is a cold ditch
>>516176286Maybe the younger generation will realize they're being groomed into cutting off their dicks and turning their vaginas inside out by a bunch of pedophiles, and finally shun them out of society. The Nazis were right in their actions when they burned down that clinic in 1933.
>>516176286it killed itself
>>516176286~5 more years of scapegoating and then eventual consolidation of rights like gays in the 2000s
>>516176286If the right really does begin this crusade where we finally begin holding people accountable and going on the attack, I think the tranny 'movement' is destroyed. Normies in my circles have completely labeled them as insane.Kirk being killed has really been a mask off moment for the devolved creatures among the left. Trannies in large are part of that sickness stemming from disorder at its core.
>>516176286They're going to separate from the alphabet.Its going to be LGBQ again and that's it.
>>516177045cope
>>516176286there is no future, they cant repopulate...
hopefully the furnaces and the fertilizer factories
>>516176286absolutely no future. the fad will die out as soon as the pendulum finally swings to the other side and historians will compare the "science" to lobotomy.
>>51617628698% suicide rate, only the strongest trannies survive
>>516176286I think the Jews are using the Tranny movement so people attack it instead of feminism. There's even feminists who attack trannies and are considered "based" by idiots.
>>516177217That doesn't mean you can't limit the damage
>>516176286Why do you people make tranny threads all day every day?
>>516176286Hidden, like I just hid this thread.
>>516177152the pendulum always swings both waystrannies were big in progressivism last decade, but it barely lasted the whole time. Then they moved on to blm, covid, gaza, etc. in the same way that sjws were big for the right in the 2010s, and then covid, and trannies became the big thing for the right around 2020.but everyone hated gays around gay marriage, and now the rhetoric died down. Everyone hated muslims after 9/11 and there's more muslim than ever. Everyone hates indians now, but are the indians going anywhere?you can't keep people's interest in a specific group of people for more than a decade, it won't be too long before everyone is bored of hating trannies, but by that time there will still be trannies.
>>516176286They could have lived their best life if they didnt bother people. I donr care how people choose to live their lives until if affects others. I hope that trannies just becomes a quiet group, but here is the list of every group involved with this and its not something conjured up from hate just facts>Jews>Trannies>Liberals>Gays>FurriesIn that order are to blame for the killing of Charlie Kirk
>>51617628658% will become a bit like emos and other strange subcultures
Total eradication from public life.
>>516176569lol you spend all your time on this board obsessing over chuds which is why you’re the 4th post. You’re a disgusting abomination we want nothing to do with you or your infected crusthole.
>>516176835Sorry bro trannies existed before marxism
>>516176286Body building trannies topping all the competition in the bedroom.
>>516176286lets just say the rope industry is going to have a very good quarter
What is actually inherently wrong with trans people anyways? 95% of them keep to themselves are are basically just normies. If anything they will end up adopting your gfs baby that she had with tyrone anyways lowering the amount of kids in the awful US foster care system. If you cant see this as an absolute net positive idk what to tell you.
>>516176286LGBQ is as far as it should have ever been
>>516177576Trannies are too loud of a group, they will continue to get hate because they cant help themselves. All the other groups you mentioned stay quiet, and before you bring up gay pride and parades thats a result of Trannies being loud again. Ive come to find that a lot of people in the LGB community hates the T's
>>516176380Show the proof faggot, you have none and give context on it. None of you have done that yet and it's amusing.
Mass graves.
>>516176286Euthanasia
>>516177828>All the other groups you mentioned stay quiet, and before you bring up gay pride and parades thats a result of Trannies being loud againit's really not, gay pride stuff is still mostly gaymuslims are more common than ever, there are whole towns overrun and while some people get mad it's just nothing like the hate for muslims in the 2000s. blm was super loud, but the hype still died down. Sjws were loud, and the hype died down. you simply can't keep people mad about something that has so little effect on their lives. It's a different story if you're living in england or something and can actively watch your country be taken over for a couple decades, but 99% of tranny hate is just based on pictures of ugly autists with dyed hair on twitter. the hate will die down and the tranny stuff will normalize around an early-2010s sort of acceptance, with maybe a few more anti-discrimination laws from the next democrat administration.
>>516176286it needs to be crushed like all evil lies. I pray that the tranny demon leave these unfortunate men and women and that they repent
>>516177745They are the favorite minority punching bag/scapegoat. They are less than a percent of the population, but they're fair game for culture war grifters to give people a dopamine hit of hate. They are the perfect distraction from the dumpster fire that is the current administration and staye of affairs/the economy/world/etc.
Today I will remind them
>>516176286if we're being 100% serious the trans movement is quickly joining the countless other "out of date" autistic male fixations like thomas the tank engine and my little pony. it will be a very quiet retreat into irrelevancy which is what pretty much everyone wanted anyway. people will look back at the trans movement as this weird lonely phase our society went through during pandemic lockdowns
>>516177745>95% of them keep to themselves are are basically just normiesThey all demand that everyone play along with their delusions of being what they aren't. When they don't get their way they chimp out and send people death threats.
>>516176909trannys are a true jewish golem and effective agent of chaos. even if mossad deny they assassinated kirk, the insane tranny is of absolute jewish design.think about it for a moment, nothing about trannys are a net positive for society at large. wherever trannys are they are a negative influence on everything they tough. everything
>>51617837910-15% of the population are gay/lesbian. the tranny population, even if they dress in drag is an easy 1/3 of that, so about 3-5%
>>516179173Everyone's view of reality concerning gender needs to accommodate them or you're a bigot.
>>516176286dietary & mental therapy for gender dysphoria
>>516178379well trannies do make for good punching bags, but not for the reasons you mentioned. trannies are great punching bags because they will always give you the reaction you want. trannies are bitter, insecure, mentally ill men holding onto their last lifeline. they're cornered. they have no composure or self respect left. why wouldn't people with ulterior motives target them? they invite being the ultimate scapegoatmaybe that was their role in this all along. hmm.
Right wingers with tranny fetishes are going to subjugate and defile faggots
>>516176569chilling in a freezer hanging from a meat hook right
>>516178379>They are less than a percent of the populationJews make up 0.2% of the population.
>>516180776
>>516176286Psychiatric ward.
>>516178243Maybe normal people, but for regular internet users it's a bigger issue than all of those because of how pervasive they are in nerd hobbies. You can discount that if you want, but mostly regular people outside 4chins also have nerd interests and also don't care for their communities being devastated by troons. The hate won't stop until they shut the fuck up, which I can you can guarantee they won't.
>>516176286
>>516182180They ruined video games.
>>516176286Playtime is over now.
>>516176798Are intersexed people Americans? If so, they already have the same rights as any other American. You don't get extra rights because you were born with physical deformity.
>>516182435>If I had a button I wouldOr a trigger, judging by what happened to Charlie. Violent, deranged freaks.
>>516176909I like how the context of that book burning picture is never mentioned
will we ever get a season 8 of TLC smash hit ' I Am Jazz'?
>>516182895And that is exactly why they are getting lynched
>>516176286It is already dying and eventually they will be officially considered mentally ill and will be forced to undergo the treatment in the psychiatric hospitals
>>516176286It’s all an experiment to see the long term effects of HRT on the wrong gender. There will be detrans and strange cancers and prayers and salvation. The next generation will look at transgenders like bell bottoms and mullets…
>>516176286Eventually nobody would even care.Because people are too busy working.This will just be an afterthought and the ones who are chronically online or are grifters will only be the one would care about this stuff.
>>51617628640% it fails before leaving the front door
>>516176286its gonna go underground. like the prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s but for lgbts instead. they're gonna have secret fuckparties in basements and forests to avoid getting caught by the feds. 1984 style. trans/gay porn and possibly even others will be eventually purged from the internet. governments will monitor their populations internet activity for any signs of violation of the governments policies or dissent from government values. All for the sake of the children of course.
>>516176286It will die because more and more of the public are no longer buying the idea that it's the next gay rights movement.
mass suicides likely
>>516182435>gender dysphoria is a curseWeird way to eitherA) admit God is real and/orB) admit it is a mental illness
>>516176286civilization will probably/hopefully be gone in 50 years so it doesn't matter
It's the troons own fault for radicalizing Trump.All you had to do was let him continue in 2020, but noooo, you had to seethe about what a fucking "Hitler" he was and screw him over.And since 2020, he got radicalized into the nuclear chimp he is now. If he had just continued, he would have been out by last year and some democrat would have taken office. Now he's going full scorched earth on you all.
Humans are created at the moment of fertilization. The vast majority of the time this results in either an XX female or an XY male, however, other results are possible such as XXY (klinefelters syndrome) and XYY (Jacob syndrome). Outside of chromosome count, it gets more complex. Development is a highly orchestrated process with an inherent error rate, and so you can have an XX female or an XY male with indeterminate or even flip-flopped genitalia. So yes, you can get girls with dicks and guys with vaginas, and anything in between. And that’s not even getting into the hormonal/chemical defects that can result in feminized males or vice versa, things like 5-alpha reductase deficiency, etc. So, there are three general categories which might be referred to as “intersex” conditions–basic chromosomal count errors, complex developmental alterations, and then the chemical/hormonal mutations. All of these people were created at fertilization and so if you believe, as I do, that God creates life, then God made them who they are for a reason, and I don’t hate them. I have no bad feelings about them. I don’t mind seeing them naked. I don’t mind sharing bathrooms with them. I’m not opposed to befriending them. God even designed them for real, heterosexual relationships, i.e. an XX female with a dick can partner up with an XY male with a vagina and it seems God made that possible for them. God is amazing and can do anything he wants. But then you have the chromosomally normal, hormonally normal, developmentally normal people who are just mentally ill and want to pretend they are the opposite sex. I don’t “hate” these people either, but they are clearly an evil cult of transhumanism. Their goal is not to self-actualize or accept themselves as they were created, but instead to modify, experiment on, and even mutilate themselves. They seek to twist and distort what God created. For these people, only God’s love and grace can save them.
>>516176286More hot tranny porn. People are obsessed, and the demand for it is increasing. Just log in to /pol/ at any given hour and it’s “tranny this” and “tranny that”.
>>516176835True, though both trannies and universities are killing themselves. One faster than the other, but both will be dead with or without our help.
>>516177658Not nearly in those numbers
>>516176286Murder by suicide
>>516176286They will commit mass suicide, then a year later someone will discover a way to turn men into women. Everyone will have a good laugh.
>>516184639Trump was supposed to be the fall guy for to coof but Biden became the meat shield that democrats choseGuess their communication with the chinese government got mixed up
>>516177337Everyone knows it was feminists who opened ad held the door for this shit Butch dyke wannabe dudes has been around since the 80sThey dress in baggy clothes and try to look and act like menIt's been documentedOnce they start getting the hate the male trannies are getting them the feminists will jump in full mask off and reveal their bias.I feel like all of it is one huge setupThe left keeps hanging itself in more and more acceleration every chance they get They are floundering but I think it's gonna get a lot worse before real change takes place.There will be copycats
Dunderbeck O DunderbeckHow could you be so mean?They’ve all been ground to sausage meatIn Dunderbeck’s Machine!For all the fags and all the trans,who’ll never more be seen,They’ve all been ground to sausage meat,In Dunderbeck’s Machine!!!!
>>516176782And nothing of value was lost./thread.
>>516176286That shit is cooked.It was only propped up by corporations.Now that shit is poison to them.
>>516179173Get off the internet lmao have you ever interacted with a trans person irl? I can tell you never have. This place and twitter arent very accurate reflections of actual life.
DER ROPE
>>516176286The more visible trannies become, the more they exhibit how unhinged they are. People are seeing that they're generally dangerous and crazy and have run out of patience for them. Young people will stop transitioning because of the bad reputation associated with it. It was a fad, hilariously. A fad revolving around doing irreversible permanent damage to your body lmfao
>>516177445It's one of the biggest problems in the world and needs to be dealt with. Know all those threads about Charlie Kirk, like 80% of the catalog? Without trannies, those would never have existed, because trannies are the reason he got shot.
>>516176569Until someone laughs at you on the street and you buy a strong rope to hang from
>>516176834Their movement is on borrowed toki
>>516184639Dude was literally okay with the gays before Hillary was and they still somehow were using that as a vector to attack him.
>>516185253Exactly. Feminism at its core is women wanting to behave like men, the original "gender dysphoria".
>>516177745>they will end up adopting your gfs babyGood lord, that's awfulBeing a tranny is just a roundabout way of saying "I'm a pedophile", I pray adoption agencies aren't stupid enough to give them kids
>>516177445Kek. This place is obsessed.
>>516187387I'm half convinced that the majority are doing it either to claim oppression points or cope that they aren't gay. They're still mentally ill, but not in the way they pretend they are.
>>516178243Nahhh tranny's are not even accepted in the gay community they are way to destructive and argumentative.
>>516177624Imagine being legitimately disabled and you can't go to the bathroom because a tranny (mentally disabled) is widening its stinkhole in there.Make dilation rooms next door to prayer rooms
>>516176286There is no future, we're cancelling that madness
>>516177745And then they rape the child and make it a gay troon
>>516182180Honestly hate for any group that isn't actively causing havoc in the streets is probably mainly caused by them ruining hobbies. I'm divorcing anything leftists don't like from this because the half a century in the making propaganda machine is different from the visceral all natural hatred gamers have after what troons and woke/karen women have done to their pastimes.
Kope n Rope
What happened to the first round of female birth control users, who ended up being sterilized?They shut the fuck up after they had their moment, society ignored them, they had to live with their bad life choices.The tranny movement is on the way out.
>>516177148>QPolitical identity. It's anti-norms.
>>516176286It's going to end. Europe has already made a lot of progress in ending it happening to kids. USA took way too long to see the insanity of it, but kicking it into 6th gear during covid was a mistake. Targeting kids was a mistake. Going crazy and committing public executions was a mistake. Finally, killing a man that was as close to being like a son to Trump as someone outside the family was the last straw.You're going to see more and more studies on how to end it. Making the drugs illegal for kids is easy. They took away covid shots within months. When you see stories of treating schizophrenia ending gender dysphoria, doctors are going to be forced to use trans treatment as a last resort.>but muh trans money for doctorsYes that is the case, but they can remove the medications from medicaid, etc. Make it so doctors can't get kickbacks. Make it so the drugs are so expensive that trans people can't afford them. I also imagine schizophrenia and gender dysphoria will show up on background checks, severely limiting a trans person to be able to buy gun or ammo ever again.Trans people only come about through indoctrination, so shielding kids from the ability to be trans until they are adults and then making them pay out of pocket will reduce the population greatly
>>516189518Isn't there some shit now where birth control fucks their hormones so badly that if they go off of them they end up not likely the people picked while on them? It's almost like going against the natural order is a fool's errand and it will always find a way to end horribly.
There is no future
>>516187871>You're just obsessed!Considering your groomed lolcow (who was so incel he had to go prison gay lol) was a tranny fucker who shot someone in the neck, I'd say the threads are pretty on topic at the moment.
>>516189793>Isn't there some shit now where birth control fucks their hormones so badly that if they go off of them they end up not likely the people picked while on them?Yes, the pill tricks the body into thinking that it's pregnant. Women during pregnancy have different needs and are attracted to different things. They want the provider guy.Then when they're finally off the pill, they realize that they're not attracted to their betacuck basedboy feminist boyfriend.>It's almost like going against the natural order is a fool's errand and it will always find a way to end horribly.Facts.
>>516190775>basedboyEven /pol/ is subject to this nonsense.s o i.
>>516176286>>>/lgbt/41057221>>>/lgbt/41056766
>>516176286With significant technological advancement —better than the present.
>>516176286It will inevitably succeed.
Total acceptance of transsexuals and mixed response to transgenders
>>516176286We'll eventually be able to either perform biologically perfect sex-changes, or come up with cybernetics that will approximate whatever body a person wants. I think the real problem with troons is that the current "transition" is just a crude approximation of what biological sex the person is trying to be. The troon isn't happy because deep down, it knows it doesn't pass. Rather than be miserable alone, the troon then lashes out at the rest of society.
>>516176286It has no future. Attitudes towards "transgenderism" have swung significantly to become majority negative. Compare this to the fight for gay/lesbian marriage, that was a sustained and uninterrupted shift towards approval. This is not that.Transgender ideology is built on self hatred and the religious worship of shallow, sexist stereotypes. It teaches people that they were born wrong if they're a girl who likes kickball or a boy who likes having long hair and cooking. There's no reason a man can't fulfill the same roles and adopt the same traditions as a woman, and vice versa. There's no reason to "change" your "gender" in the first place because "genders" ought to be equally able to pursue their passions. The concept of gender identity is inherently sexist and limiting. The man who came up with "gender identity" is a murderer who caused two boys to kill themselves.In reality all we have is biological sex. Your sex doesn't determine your hobbies, your roles, your fashion or your personality. You choose those things. As an individual. Isn't that a better, more free world? "Gender identity" is a needless restriction and it does not serve as a genuine identity. The logical progression of breaking down the differences leads to tomboys and femboys. It leads to people who don't let their biological sex influence their hobbies or fashion.The transgender cult is all about building up those limitations and enforcing them so strictly that any little boy who so much as glances at a Barbie doll gets put on hormone blockers so that he can be railroaded into becoming "a girl" because "only girls like dolls".We used to have a culture that said "if you're a boy you ought to like sports" and now we have a culture that says "if you like sports you ought to become a boy". We skipped right over the healthy, rational middle ground that says there's no reason a girl can't play kickball with her friends without mutilating herself and taking testosterone.
>>516176286>Realistically, what is the future for the transgender movement in the west?Realistically, transgender ideation is X% indoctrination, and Y% genetic predisposition. We don't know, and can't know, exactly what percentage belongs to each category, but we can know that, given a society that allows fags to neuter themselves and cease reproducing, we should relatively quickly see a rapid decrease in the genes that predispose one towards this ideation, regardless of however much money and effort goes into indoctrination.tl;dr There is no future for those who destroy all possibility of their own procreation.
>>516177745>% of them keep to themselves are are basically just normies.50% of you literally have narcissistic personality disorder. A third of you are autistic. None of you are normal. I have never seen a normal tranny. They are all depressed suicidal wrecks who lash out aggressively at everyone around them.
America will elect a trans president and then get kirk'd
>>516187871>obsessed
>>516192254Have you got checked out? A group of people living in the back of your mind seething isnt healthy. How many people who save tranny statistics have narcissistic personality disorder or autism? I'd like to see that figure.
>>516192697
>>516192697>stop noticing things!No
>>516192776Projection?Not uncommon for you guys to be closeted.
>>516192956I'm already a real woman. I was born with the womb you'll never have lol
>>516176679nobody actually believes that jesus is coming back though.
>>516193040>I'm gonna say something retarded! That means I win!
>>516177658The main difference is that feminine males were still seen as males. Marxist Queer Theory ideology states that the word female is meaningless, and that the word woman can encompass the male sex. That's why it's a false ideology
>>516193191You're a living joke and people talk about how disgusting you are when you're not around.
>>516192620the actual problems in the UK come from Pakistani grooming gangs though.
>>516176286Success/thread
>>516191940>We'll eventually be able to either perform biologically perfect sex-changes, or come up with cybernetics that will approximate whatever body a person wants.ok and how is that going to happen when the majority of americas youth are brown low iq hispanics? you think theyre going to invent cybernetics and body sculpting? or maybe the 70k somalians getting drop shipped to every state will do it?
>>5161762861pbtid thread btw
>>516176286It must be absolutely eradicated. Transgenderism is predicated upon medicating the mentally unwell by encouraging their illness. We absolutely must eliminate transgenderism if we as a society are to survive. These people are ticking time bombs, and they spread their poisonous ideology to children in a disgusting feedback loop. We absolutely can’t let up. Conservatives have to keep the pressure on for YEARS, until we have made substantive progress.
>>516193247Who implied I was a troon? Is the boogieman so strong in your head that you have to paint people who upset you as one?
>>516176286gas chambers
>>516185872Do real life trannies allow me to refer to them as what they are? Yes or no.
>>516193366It's pretty evil. They target kids because it's irreversible.
The transwoman man will figure out that the jews played the big part in there lives and know they are being exploited Where the male to female trannies get recruited by the kikes.
>>516177148My liberal lesbian friend in NYC hates them.
>>516193040Transgender women are now receiving womb transplants and giving birth.In 2012, Ariel Lefkowitz published the "Montreal Criteria for the Ethical Feasibility of Uterine Transplantation", a proposed set of criteria for carrying out uterine transplants, in Transplant International. Under these criteria, only a transgender woman could ethically be considered a transplant recipient. The International Society of Uterine Transplantation (ISUTx) was established in Sweden in 2016, with 70 clinical doctors and scientists, and currently has 140 intercontinental delegates. Its goal is to, 'through scientific innovations, advance medical care in the field of uterus transplantation.'To date, in transgender women, more than 80 Uterine transplantation (UTx) procedures have been performed, with 40 live births resulting from the transplanted uteruses as of publication. A transgender woman's ability to become pregnant and carry a baby depends on how they have transitioned. When a trans woman discovers they are pregnant, they can make a choice between a traditional vaginal birth, a Caesarean section, or a rectal birth. During labor the neovagina or anus must be dilated to accommodate the passage of baby's head, which is around 10 centimeters (cm) for most term babies. https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1471-0528.15438
>>516176286Domination probably especially once science and technology reaches cyberpunk levels so no one will care at that point if anyone troons out.
>>516193695I'll take 'shit that didn't happen' for $500, Alex
>>516176286Self eradication.
>>516176380>Mossad shot Kirk btwPerhaps but I’m more than happy with troons taking the credit of it means their little movement dies out.
>>516193628What do you mean by that? Misgendering? Most are chill with it and understand. Not every troon is that yikyok guy who creeps on kids.
>>516176286>future>transgenderpick one
>>516193843This is so messed up, I feel bad for some of them being deceived into doing this, yet they still did it to themselves. What's especially fucked were the parents forcing kids into it a few years ago just to fit in and for attention while not giving a shit about their own offspring. What demonic hellhole some folks have created... Let's not forget that more than half of transvestites regret what they have done to themselves and reddit decided to completely remove detrans sub so that people would be naive enough to continue mutating themselves.
>>516195091the negativity about srs is overblown. just look at results once they're done healing and they look decent and are extremely clean. if anything, theyre usually less smelly than real vaginas because they aren't self lubricating. the real problem is that they can be a lot less sexually convenient and a lot of people basically become asexual afterwards. one of my friends is healing from srs rn and shes doing really good.
>>516176569>enjoying life as per usualTrans suicide statistics say otherwise.
>>516176569>force your ideology everywhere>videogames, movies, books, mangas, classrooms, you shill your shit everywhere>"lmao chud why are you so obsessed???"
>>516195687>>force your ideology everywhere>mangaswhy did the woke mafia FORCE mangas to become gay?
All those "movements" exist to fill the void poverty and removal of freedoms neoliberals brought in the west.
>>516176286>futureIt will involve a rope and an hero'ing.
>>516176286Unlimited.
>>516195764That was jap fetish stuff, but implying there's no woke agenda in all kinds of media is delusional
>>516195797/thread
>>516195961Retard. We are already technological trannies to our smartphones. Trannyism will never be stopped in any form. The future will look like Elysium.
>>516176286winningall they have to do is show that they can fight>>516196103kek>>516176569daily reminder lgbt+ is on both sides left and right not exclusive on left
Violence is not the answer to anythingThese recent developments won't stop me from existing. I don't need some God or politician to look out for me
>>516195915do you think trans people are the ones forcing diversity narratives into stories? when trans people do create things its usually some schizo shit like signalis or mouthwashing that doesnt even mention trans people at all. believe it or not, we prefer to be invisible, even in the stories we make. i'm writing a novel rn and the main character is just a female, not trans. being the center of attention is literally the worst possible situation for trans people, but it's been forced upon us by the culture war stuff and extremists on the fringes. if someone is a bad person thats all, if someone is a bad person and trans it's because all trans people are evil etc.you could get rid of every trans person with the snap of your fingers and nothing in the world would improve besides le "libs owned" status.
>>516176286Future?
>>516176569>implying he's not the one forcing his ideology everywhere instead
The detrans movement is picking up steam. Lawsuits, suicides, and mass awareness that you actually will never end up a happy, content 75 year old retired tranny. From there the left will start to pretend they were always on the fence about supporting it and it was never a huge cultural issue anyway.
>>516176286ACK
>>516196243>lgbt+ is on both sides left and right not exclusive on leftmy fucking ass https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2024/11/exit-poll-shows-86-of-lgbt-people-voted-for-kamala-harris/
their safe spaces will get outlawed more and more until finally they have no where to hide and will be forced to either get treatment (mental health) or they just have no where safe on the internet to talk to each other
>>516177624This. Troons come here - while we dont go over there - and tell us repeatedly how obssed we are with them...Pajeet tier self awarness.>>516176569Noone would care about you if you werent shitting up things for them.
>>516196511>do you think trans people are the ones forcing diversity narratives into stories?Yes. It seems you game is biggoted nowadays if it doesn't have a nigger a tranny and an empowered woman. And it's all thanks to you faggots in twitter who try to cancel everything that doesn't cater to you. Oh and if you dare point out that there's a woke agenda in games you are suddenly a fascist, even though i'm not even right-wing.>some schizo shit like signalis or mouthwashingWeird examples. Both are woke games. Also mouthwashing wasn't made by trannies AFAIK but whatever.>i'm writing a novel rn and the main character is just a femaleLMAO like pottery. Oh yeah who could have guessed that the tranny uses fiction to make an idealized reality where he feels like a woman.Anyways I don't have anything against trannies as long as they are cute, it's just the constant forced media shilling and the virtue signaling what annoys me. I don't want trannies to stop existing I want them to sop bothering me and ruining my hobbies.
>>516196511>when trans people do create things its usually some schizo shit like signalis or mouthwashing that doesnt even mention trans people at all.
>>516196982>It seems you game is biggoted nowadays if it doesn't have a nigger a tranny and an empowered woman. And it's all thanks to you faggots in twitter who try to cancel everything that doesn't cater to you.im not even sure why you think this. do you really believe what you're saying? it doesnt match onto reality at all insofar as the trans people i know are. Like usually trans ppl just play autism games like factorio or tarkov or silksong or nightreign or something. The community is extremely resistant to pandering because pretty often the depictions non trans people can make are like a travesty of how it really feels. i just play aneurism 4 dude, i feel like you're hallucinating up a weird demented image of what 2014 gamergate culture was and pretending like that still exists today.>Both are woke games.dont even know what you mean by a woke game anymore.>Oh yeah who could have guessed that the tranny uses fiction to make an idealized reality where he feels like a woman.i just have interests in my life outside of being trans, and i function pretty highly to the point where i dont need to obsess over how trans i am 24/7. the fact that you're insulting creativity just because of the fact i'm trans sort of goes to show how ridiculous this culture has become. i havent hurt anyone and i never will. i just wanna live quietly with my wife.
>>516193040Many such cases!
>>516197096that game LITERALLY only has a trans flag in the background of one room by the way. I know you don't play games, but that's a pretty poor example of an agenda being pushed.maybe get some steam achivements lil bro.
>>516197391>The community is extremely resistant to panderingmy ass, when they relevated the top surgery scar on dragon age, they were celebrating like crazies on reddit and twitter, they love that shitWe get it, you lost the culture war, and now you want to do revisionism and pretend that trannies were against woke back in the day, but the internet is forever and everytime you want to gaslight people into believing you were on the right side of the history, all we'll do is to bring back those old tweets about how you wanted this shit so badWe won't forgive and we won't forgethttps://youtu.be/pokZFslgWE0?t=34
>>516197635>onlyBRUH THE MAIN CHARACTER IS A TROON, HOW MUCH LESS SUBTLE DO YOU WANT RETARD???
>>516197391You see it's funny how you are now accusing me of making it all up, when everyone in this thread, even you, kow what i'm talking about.TRANNIES FORCE THEIR SHIT ALL THE TIMEIn movies, in games, in comics, etc.Denying it won't make me think i'm wrong, it will just make you look like a lying and gaslighting faggot.>dont even know what you mean by a woke game anymoreC'mon dude, mouthwash? not woke? Literally the whole moviegame is all about how capitalism is bad. Did you even watch it? Any basic analysis will show that.>the fact that you're insulting creativity This is completely off the question we were discussing. I respect any kind of creative endeavors, I just found funny that, while a man can write a novel with a female MC, it's funny that you of all people do it, as I find the reason why you do it very very funny. >>516197635>the game has a trans flag BUT IT'S NOT TRANNYS PUSHING THEIR AGENDA OK CHUD???
>>516195436Lmaooo this is bullshit cope.. stinky stinky hair hole makes everyone vomit
>>516197920TRANNIES*
>>516176286mass graves
>>516176286They need special laws that benefit only them to sustain their artificial lifestyles. Remove the special laws and let the market decide.
>>516195436>Our ideology is about cutting healthy parts of our body, please celebrate us.Never. Get that satanic shit out of video games!
>>516176286This is the only option now.I didn't make the rules.
>>516197718>when they relevated the top surgery scar on dragon age, they were celebrating like crazies on reddit and twitter,I didn't see anyone playing that game. Did you? Why care? Baldurs gate and cyberpunk had genital sliders but they were good games so who cares? I feel like you're hallucinating a trend when maybe a few people cared.Im sad that biowares business is failing because I want more kotor though.>We get it, you lost the culture war, and now you want to do revisionismIm just talking about my life and my friends' lives as trans ppl, disconnected from the political agendas. Its hard not to assume ur operating in bad faith now, >>516197751Is one character in one game by a trans person having circumstantial evidence of being trans that offensive to you? Why are you such a snowflake? Do you need trigger warnings or a trans off filter like those arachnophobia ones? You 100% never even played that game, why do you pretend to care about this stuff?
>>516176286TTDNot due to any action from the rightBut because post and mid transition trannies would rather merc themselves than face the truthAnd pre-transition trannies will quietly give up their delusions in favor of rational thought
>>516184340this is why asuka > rei
>>516198255Nice way of moving the goalpost.You went from:>actually, trannies don't force their shit in the media they createto:>gonna cry chud because we do it all the time? uh? are you that fragile? you snowflake?Lmao it's fucking amazing how you can't win a single argument online. Maybe that's why you faggots need special rights only for you? To censor everyone who could pose a danger to your fragile ideas?
>>516198255>I didn't see anyone playing that game.a lot of people played Celeste, that means a lot of people played a troon as a main character, aren't you happy that your woke propaganda is working? >Im just talking about my life and my friends' lives as trans ppl, disconnected from the political agendas. that's the fucking problem retard, companies pandered to you and instead of fighting against it and saying shit like: "we just want to be left alone, inviding video games' spaces with our troon shit will make people hate us more", you decided to fight for woke instead, you made your own bed, now lie on it
>>516197920>TRANNIES FORCE THEIR SHIT ALL THE TIME>In movies, in games, in comics, etc.I literally just don't consume the media you do then. What you're saying in is just incongruent with the stuff I watch and read and play. Maybe I'm extremely sheltered with my media diet but I feel like more likely you're outraged over stuff you never had interest with in the first place. It's an enormous outrage farm imo.
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>>516198435>I feel like more likely you're outraged over stuff you never had interest with in the first placeBorderlands 3 Cyberpunk 2077Guilty GearApex Legendsdragon age VeilguardI could go on.
>>516198435>It never happened chud!yes it did, history is forever
>>516198393What is actually said>do you think trans people are the ones forcing diversity narratives into stories? Your example literally does not include a narrative, it's 2 visual details and that's it. It's extremely subtle overall. Thats why im saying it. You unironically want trans erasure from all media if that is too much for you.>>516198397>a lot of people played CelesteYou didn't>companies pandered to you and instead of fighting against it and saying shit like: "we just want to be left alone, inviding video games' spaces with our troon shit will make people hate us more", you decided to fight for woke insteadUh you literally don't know me lol. I've been saying that forever. You think I have any say in what slop Hollywood decides to make?
>>516198659>a lot of people played Celeste>You didn't>Uh you literally don't know me lol.
>>516198435see >>516198619You are just a lying faggot. Did you know that?As I said, you are either completely failing at gaslighting, or you truly are retarded and only see what you want to see.Want to live in a fantasy world where you are a woman and in where there's no woke media forcing this shit into everyone's throats? Go ahead then, but it's just that, another of your delusions. >>516198659>Your example literally does not include a narrativeBy God's sake, Celeste's narrative is all a metaphor for being trans. Did you even play the game you fucking idiot?
>>516198619>Borderlands 3Not aware of this one>Cyberpunk 2077Actual newfag. Cyberpunk 2020 had a canon sex change surgery before it was cool. It's in the spirit of the franchise>Guilty GearBridget was always that way, I agree with you though that turning to the camera and saying I'm a girl is a bit cringe. Still, my cis friends seem to really like guilty gear all the same. Didn't really seem to affect the community in a bad way.>Apex LegendsAgain don't know this one>dragon age VeilguardDidn't play Just seems infinitely easy to find media you like these days. I literally always have something I want to do. Are you feeling pressed for stuff to play in 2025? Feels like gaming is at a golden age.
>>516176286locked psychiatric ward
>>516198659>It's extremely subtle overall. Thats why im saying it.that's the point, it's the boiling frog method, they don't pour this shit all at once, they increase the temperature bit by bit until they reach their goal and make this shit "the new normal">it's just one trans flag on that game, not a big deallater...>it's just 2 trans flag on that game, you accepted it when it was 1 trans flag, you can accept one more, not a big deallater...>yes, the next character of spiderman will be a non binary agender by the pronouns of xe/xir, and we won't call "spiderman" anymore, we'll call it "spiderperson", not a big deal, you've accepted everything before after allyou know why we always have to treat cancer as soon as possible? if we don't it spreads soo much it'll be too late, gatekeeping is important, and only us is fighting against this shit, you don't, you even celebrate this, you aren't my friend at all, go fuck yourself
>>516196511Hey, real woman here, you're not one of us. We view you as a creepy man and want you out of our spaces.
>>516176286nobody but mutts has this much retarded smoke with 3-4 trannies in a million kike dronesalso funetes did it and he's gonna get deported
>>516198703You would have said " I played it" if you did.>>516198781And now you're angry, lol. Nothing more to gain from this convo then. I think the outrage is overblown. You can cherry pick forever but I really don't think media is suffering overall.>>516198929Thats called the slippery slope fallacy.>>516198991I would never want to be a person like you.
>>516198848shut the fuck up and kill yourself you mutilated faggot freak>>516197391>my wifeyour husband. you are both male. inshallah you will die of aids before you have to start wearing diapers
>>516199193Not beating the snowflake allegations.
>>516198848Brother, all of that was just either copium or playing dumb. Is that all you got? Because I have more:>The Last of Us >Far Cry>Assassin’s CreedLike literally, saying there's no games that force trans characters is delusional, you just ignore them as hard as you ignore your biological sex and all of my points you don't bother responding to.This is pathethic, you have no excuses except playing make believe, lke you do in real life with your chromosomes.Like literally, there's not a single soul in this planet that could believe your bullshit.Call me cherrypicker as much as you want, you lost the debate many posts ago.
>>516199183>I would never want to be a person like you.yet you're doing anything you can to look like a female, you're so envious of females you're ok to cut your dick to be like them>the slippery slope fallacy.it's real, they literally said it in 4k in front of the camera, they want to change the world and its zeitgeist with this propaganda, if you don't believe propaganda is a thing then you are more retarded than I thoughthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTDdDgr-xYo
>>516197391>the depictions non trans people can make are like a travesty look up the etymology of the word "travesty"
>>516199193> Your shit's gay and you sound all retarded
>>516195436Dude, just fuck off. There is no point living if you aren't satisfied with the gift of life in itself. It's all about sex with you degenerate retards, even if it comes to an extent of mutilating your body, that axe wound full of shit will still smell after I incinerate your ass.
>>516199331>Not beating the snowflake allegations.says the most snowflake community of them all
>>516199353Im surprised there are very many. Most of the games I've played recently don't have trans characters. If that's upsetting your enjoyment of games, then I'm sorry about that. I'm really enjoying Silksong and Kronos rn and i'm excited for the new silent hill game. There's just so much to be excited and happy about in gaming this year. To me things feel great.
>>516199183>I would never want to be a person like you.And yet, you've destroyed yourself to become me. If you think the "alt right chuds" hate you, always remember that we real women hate you even more. I would love nothing more than to see your brains splattered all over the wall. I will make sure trannies never know peace as long as I live, and I will raise any future children of mine to hate you as well. You are a genetic dead-end and a failure of a person far beyond that of any incel here. Even your behavior is that of a predatory groomer. Every single sector of society hates you, and for good reason. I look forward to it getting far worse for you and I hope you rot.Btw, a real woman would be posting cute boys and not male gaze anime girls.
>>516199558>To me things feel great.Well duh, you're a troon, of course you like troon and woke shit, but for the remaining 99% of the population, they cannot relate with you.
>>516199558point is, do you still deny that there's a woke agenda in videogames forcing tranny shit?I have more example of popular games forcing trans characters and woke narratives if you want
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>>516199590>If you think the "alt right chuds" hate you, always remember that we real women hate you even moreNah I'm aware. I generally avoid cis women my age because most of you are pretty cruel and bitter. I like having male friends much better and feel much safer and happier around them.>Btw, a real woman would be posting cute boys and not male gaze anime girls.I'm just being myself. If you're a real woman, maybe it's not so bad to be a fake one. (All the pictures I posted were males, btw) Lol
>>516176286I anticipate a lot of cuts in the near future.
>>516199798>All the pictures I posted were males, btwshe said "girls", now you don't consider those males to be "girls"? that's a bit transphobic dude!1!!!
>>516183708Someone give that man ozempic
>>516176569>enjoying lifeBy dilating 6 hours a day. Sure, very enjoyable.
>>516199590based, blast that troon you QUEEN
>>516199653Well, i can't argue with that on substance. My cis friends are pretty happy with all the new games too. Seems like we're all on different games and enjoying each of them. Indie gaming is just blossoming.>>516199723I don't deny that there is/was one in some games. I think it's totally dead now. My argument is more that it really hasn't harmed the industry substantively. Good games were still good, bad games were still bad. Corporate pandering is extremely gross and some narratives were silly. I just think that the overall environment hasn't been damaged unless you have a knee-jerk hatred for any LGBT people in media at all
>>516199798That shit is why people hate you. Cis women. Someone hears that and they know exactly what else you believe and how looney you are. You know what a normal person says? Women. You don't even know you're doing it but people not wrapped up in it are immediately put off by it when you send up the signal.
We're not a fucking movement you retards.If you pass your life is perfect you never have to think about being trans and no-one pays attention to you.I don't care about any of the dysgenic troon shit you see in the media. We don't all share the same political views and our views on gender and culture war shit are all totally different. No phrase annoys me more than trans "movement." Warging my body to look like a woman does not mean I'm part of a movement.
give us 5 years and it'll be cool again
>>516200093>I think it's totally dead now.thanks to us
>>516177906everyone knows it was you kike
its so fucking insane to think there's like a 50% chance our next civil war will be fought over men who wanted to jerk off while wearing a dress, the future is crazier than i could have ever imagined
>>516194400it can be both friend
>>516200158No tranny passes. There's no such thing as a tranny people don't know is a tranny. Some of them pull it off as a look, but nobody is thinking "that's a woman" except the tranny himself
>>516176286persecutionpeople wont forgive a decade+ of abuse
>>516176286Death by mass suicide
>>516200093>Corporate pandering is extremely gross and some narratives were silly. >My argument is more that it really hasn't harmed the industry substantively.it harmed your community badly, you had a chance to prove your good will by fighting with us, you didn't and join the corporate panderers, now the damage is gone, you are more hated than when you were just a niche community screaming in void sites like tumblr, and you know what, it's all your fault, all you had to do was to show resistance, you decided to make lists on who's streamer played harry potter instead, oh well, you made your own bed, now lie in it
>>516176286Pre-2010 trannies were based.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1X5R0sbUOc
>>516200121Lol. Did I commit a microagression to you snowflake? Call them women, real women, whatever you'd like. I was only saying that I do have friends that are trans women, mtfs, crossdressing mutants, whatever word you wanna use.Doesn't change what I was trying to say. You people get hung up over the weirdest stuff.
>>516176286What a demonic flag, something about it just makes me physically ill.
>>516200454Yeah I should have canvassed at gamergate when I was 12 lol>you decided to make lists on who's streamer played harry potter insteadI didn't do this, lol. Did you? Did anyone here? Do you have to take responsibility for everything a person in your demographic does?
>>516200490the whole motto of the troon community is "only me can define myself, if I want to call myself a toaster, no one can stop me or call me something else!" yet you keep calling females "cis women", even though they don't want to be called like that, you don't preach what you teach, have some self awarness>you snowflake?I never saw a video of a female having a mental breakdown when she was called "cis", don't call others "snowflake" when you're the biggest snowflake community in historyhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/Lb6OpRfyLFo
>>516200093>I don't deny that there is/was one in some gamesYou moved the goalpost again I see. Yes you denied that several times before. You went from:>"i feel like you're hallucinating up a weird demented image of what 2014 gamergate culture was and pretending like that still exists today"To:>"You can cherry pick forever but I really don't think media is suffering overall."To:>"it really hasn't harmed the industry substantively"Is it that hard to rectify and admit you were wrong? Otherwise you just appear as a lying faggot.>I think it's totally dead now. GOD, I WISH.Sadly it's not. You just want to make it seem like it's nothing because it's beneficial for your agenda to appear as it doesn't exist. But nay I say, never let evil take root. Gotta keep fighting.
>>516200607have you even seen a single troon in twitter or reddit saying shit like: "guys, stop doing this, we shouldn't act like this!", it never happened, they were all for this shit, don't pretend otherwise, if 99% of your community wanted to cancel people because they played harry potter, no one will care of the 1% who acted normal, that's not gonna happen
>>516200569> is a colossal pussykek
>>516176286I think it's a dying fad. People are getting tired of them.
>>516200785>> is a colossal pussyTry to guess the only community that Rockstar has decided to stop making fun of.https://www.outmaking.games/news1/rockstar-games-remove-transphobic-content-from-gtav
>>516200632>don't call others "snowflake" when you're the biggest snowflake community in historyLol. I've been hate crimed and sexually assaulted for being trans and dgaf. Im about the opposite of a snowflake.>you keep calling females "cis women", even though they don't want to be called like thatI mean being trans, if I just call people men and women you're just going to be screeching at me like a confused ape for 20 minutes. If I called myself a woman you'd seethe, if I called cis women women you'd say "are you le talking about mentally ill crossdressers?" If you don't want me to be clear with my speech, I'll stop doing it.
my english is so fucking good holy fuck
>>516195436>the negativity about srs is overblownI like how this is blatantly untrue. You guys just lie in the open and expect everyone to be naive enough to go along with it. 50% of sex reassignment patients for just vaginoplasty have complications, and 14% have major and severe complications.Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behavior, and psychiatric morbidity. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885>"The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people — extending over thirty years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered — documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to twenty times that of comparable peers." - Dr. Paul McHugh, former Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist in Chief "15 years after sex reassignment operation, quality of life is lower in the domains of general health, role limitation, physical limitation, and personal limitation." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18990387/After surgery 47% are dependent on social support compared to 41% before surgeryhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9075286/>>516199798>generally avoid cis women my age because most of you are pretty cruel and bitterBecause you're a man who doesn't like women, just like the rest of this board. You are a man with masculine interests who talks with men. You feel unsafe around us because you know we don't like you. You will never be a girl. You will never be seen as a girl. People lie directly to your face all the time. A tranny's self-ID as a "woman" is based entirely on how socially maladjusted men think women behave, because they have no other frame of reference as to what a woman is. You are literally just blackface: gender edition to us.
>>516200651That isnt' a moved goalpost. All those quotes are internally consistent. There isn't some "woke oppression" crushing the gaming industry.>>516200759I don't use Twitter or reddit. I only use discord and 4chan but I see it there, yeah. There was big backlash among trans people over hogwarts legacy boycotting and stuff
>>516176286Nobody actually cares about this topic it's just a ball to kick around in the culture war. Once it ceases to be useful for those people it will just fade into the background.
>>516200874There are women and men who cross-dress, that's about it. You can't define or change reality, nobody can. A short man can't pretend to be 6 foot tall, a Black person can't pretend he's White. We're all born with bodies we didn't choose, and we're all bothered by something about our bodies, that's not something unique to you. But you're the only community that thinks is entilted to claim you can magically transform yourself into something impossible, it's not real, move on.
>>516176286I'd imagine that "real" trannies - i.e. faggots with body dysmorphia will continue as before but that the current fashion for porn addicted gooners publicly dressing up in fetishwear and going into women's toilets will have run it's course.
>>516176286Same as for the gay movement of the 70s: they will be accepted, nobody will care, the professional trolls and rage-baiters will have to find something else to talk shit about as a distraction from the 1% looting the dying carcass of capitalism.
>>516201012>There isn't some "woke oppression" crushing the gaming industry.Strawman. I never said that.I only said that there's a woke agenda being pushed by big companies into movies, games, comics, and whatever. And while it's not killing the industry you are ruining my hobbies because you really ruined many games I wanted to play.
>>516201012>There isn't some "woke oppression" crushing the gaming industry.there is, and the king of the woke oppression mob is BlackRockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTDdDgr-xYo
>>516200978I don't really have the studies and research and stuff, but my post op friends are chill and happy so I support them. It's not a lie to draw from personal experience.>You feel unsafe around us because you know we don't like you.True. I can tell you don't like me, so I avoid people like you. That's a rational thing to do. It doesn't really matter to me if I get into your sekkrit club of being a real woman, it feels better on the fringes than surrounded by backstabbers.
>>516201184This is the exact opposite of what is happening. The public is rejecting them, hard
>>516183425The thinking of a lot of doctors has in the past been to do corrective surgery on intersexed people based on the doctor's intuition regarding which procedure is more likely to yield cosmetically good results while the child was still an infant, and that often times meant removing underdeveloped male genitalia from male babies and giving them hormone replacement therapy when they reach puberty. Essentially, transing children without their knowledge or consent because the sex the doctor made an incorrect guess based on which surgery would be easier.In other parts of the world, intersexed children are left to develop on their own and raised in a gender-neutral environment until they reach puberty, when the child is either going to experience an erection or menstruation cramps and can make an informed decision about corrective surgery options with their parents' consent and blessing.Intersexed children are actually quite rare but for unknown reasons they are more likely to occur based on geography, which is why some communities have an unusually high number per capita.
>>516201184>they will be acceptedThat acceptance is declining, almost as if people dislike totalitarians who want to coerce speech or something . The T is destroying decades of work by the LGB, they need to separate.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/us-public-support-lgbtq-protection-falls
>>516176286Completely dead until science figures out a way to make transitions low effort and low cost, which probably won't happen until the cyberpunk era where everyone is chromed out anyways.
>>516201077>But you're the only community that thinks is entilted to claim you can magically transform yourself into something impossible, it's not real, move on.I don't agree with this ideology, though. Im a weirdo though so I don't really fit in with any mainstream opinions, making them worthless to share. My friends certainly aren't this naive though. It's just a process of aligning yourself a certain way to help with dysphoria. Like I have real boobs and real curves and people really think I'm a woman. But there's always going to be a large gap from the real thing. Being an in betweener feels better t
>>516201347>my post op friends are chill and happy so I support themAnecdotes and exceptions do not constitute the rule.
>>516201650ok, fair enough, if only more troons were like you, your community would be more accepted, we recognize that you have dysphoria, but we don't accept that those people are forcing us to lie and redefine what is reality, the day they'll understand that will be the day we'll improve some shit in this culture war
>>516201655I think that there's a selection bias at play here, though. People willing to drop their bands on a sex change are probably the most severely dysphoric.
>>516201347>It doesn't really matter to me if I get into your sekkrit club of being a real womanBecause you're not one lol. You are a crossdressing man with a delusion. Stop taking our terms and be a femboy, gender is not defined by an internal feeling, hobbies, stereotypes, or roles. Feminine =/= girl.
>>516201752Thanks anon. I hope we can put this culture war to bed too. The truth is that I went to the effort of making these posts because I'm pretty scared about the future. There's a human and personal side to all these affairs that has a tendency to get washed out by talking points. >>516201908>Stop taking our terms and be a femboyI got raped the last time I said I was a guy in public and get treated better by people when I conform to social expectations for women. In my day to day life I just don't correct people about pronouns. They call me she and I don't correct them and say >well actually im a boy xxdddCause it's just attention seeking and lame. I live in a rural area and just being modest and quiet tends to make me friends that decide to call me a girl without saying anything about it. I' sure some of them can tell, but past a certain point you're playing a semantic game on defining a person like me as a man. There are fundamental differences with both groups, and people just lump you into the one you conform to.
>>516202283>There are fundamental differences with both groups, and people just lump you into the one you conform to.And there shouldn't be any, you're just playing into stereotypes, it's like saying “oh no, I can't listen to rap and play basketball because I'm white, that's it, I identify as a black person!”Feminists in the 1960s fought for this. Their idea was that being a woman does not always mean conforming to the stereotypes attributed to women. We should have this conversation, men can like pink and play with dolls, and women can like playing soccer, you know what I mean?Japan has the best approach on this, they have no issue calling a really feminine guy a femboy, he remains a man but with unusual tastes, that's it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXsYUa3JJwI
>>516202283>I got raped the last time I said I was a guyOf course the tranny is a rape victim. Have you tried not hanging around degenerate fag circles?
>>516176286Disintegration. No one will take them as actual women. Though they'll get enough social acceptance eventually as the technology and eastern aesthetic makes them more attractive.If the technology ever gets to the point of actually turning them into biological females enough to reproduce, then they'll definitely be normalized.
>>516176286Extermination
Future?
>>516195764Haru was naturally feminine and did not cut his dick off.The fundamental difference about traps in Japanese media.is beauty.The entire concept of traps in anime and manga is centered about them possessing incredible feminine beauty and being unrecognizable from men. When it's burly and ugly men dressing as women, nips routinely make fun of them, see Gintama.
>>516202693>Feminists in the 1960s fought for this.Gender abolitionism is a pretty big goal to shoot for.>men can like pink and play with dollsBut it's really not okay at all. People dislike you when you do this. Gender is an extremely fragile thing in society and people feel threatened when you skirt the line. They ostracize or tokenize you to downplay your humanity. If a boy goes to school with makeup, he gets bullied. If a girl gets a boy's haircut, she gets bullied. I wish we lived in that reality, but it still wouldn't fix the problem of irrational physical dysphoria.>>516202779It was a coworker.
>>516203053Sure but other stuff like full metal alchemist has ugly trannies that are cool characters. It was just a counterexample to the idea that trap characters are some woke conjugation for manga and not an old tradition.
>>516203337>People dislike you when you do this.Fuck those people, what more can I say? Live your life for yourself, not to please others, by calling yourself a woman you're pandering to people you hate.
>>516203469>conjugationConjuration got autocorrected
>>516200569Does it give you morning sickness?
>>516203486>Live your life for yourself, not to please others, by calling yourself a woman you're pandering to people you hate.Isn't "calling yourself" something already an act to please others by helping them understand you? I know myself, of course. What am I supposed to call myself?
>>516203678>Isn't "calling yourself" something already an act to please others by helping them understand you?it's not, when I call myself a man, that wasn't my choice, I'm an adult human male, that's the reality, I'm just describing reality>What am I supposed to call myself?A femboy, a crossressing man? I see nothing wrong with a man wanting to be feminine, but I hate liars, make that what you will.
>>516176569What happens when your disability payments disappear?
>>516176286My position is that there is one alternative to the transgender movementInstead of saying "men can turn into women" and "women can turn into men", we accept that won't happen, but tomboys and femboys are valid and must exist.You can't tell a femboy to turn into a girl because as you said that's impossible, and a man in a dress is still a man.You can't force a femboy to be masculine because that'd lead to a slippery slope to forcing women to wear blankets over their head like in Afghanistan or Iran.Is that really better than what we have now?
>>516203740>A femboy, a crossressing man?Im sorry, but i still don't understand. What's the difference between saying something like femboy and saying something like trans woman? Isnt that the same group of people?
>>516203867no, because of this
>>516176286If you are born with a cock you aren’t a woman
>>516184671This started out making sense but then derailed into nonsense.There are literally no xx women with dicks.There are XY trans women who pass (like me) who conservative men love to fuck because you clearly think we're XX women with dicks. Lol. But I'm getting my sex change surgery in 6 weeks and then no one will know there's anything different about me.
>>516203867Femboys cant participate in women's sports
>>516203927Ok. Well if somebody asks me if im trans ill say im a crossdresser instead then. If that is less inflammatory. I don't really understand normal people's sensibilities much at all, to be honest.
>>516204073Saying that you are a transgender woman means “you have transitioned into becoming a woman,” which is impossible; it is a lie, and people do not like being lied to. Saying that you are a cross-dressing man literally means “I am a man, yes, a man who likes to wear dresses,” which is entirely possible. It's an unusual taste, but it's not a lie.
>>516204000>no one will know there's anything different about me.Lol, yes they willAnd the guys who were interested in having sex with you now will disappear. You're going to be a man without a cock, which is about as low as it gets.
>>516204020I do mma and training is open between the sexes anyways at my gym. I can get really strong men in a triangle choke and it's kind of fun.>>516204189I always thought of it as trans woman like transitioning your lifestyle to be like a woman's. The same way vegetarian bacon isn't bacon, it's just made to resemble it
>>516201409i bet it happens in areas with higher pollution or background radiation.
>>516204322>I always thought of it as trans woman like transitioning your lifestyle to be like a woman's.It's more than that, it means “I am a different kind of woman, just as cisgender women are a another category of women.” That's the problem, only females can be women, so there are no categories to be had. You are either a man (an adult man) or a woman (an adult woman), and that should be it.
>>516204073>>516204189Spin-off question to OP: what if all the civil rights activism for "trans rights" and "preventing transphobia" in the 1970s and 1980s had instead been directed towards "femboy/tomboy rights" and "preventing discrimination against GNC people"?It'd entail much of the same things, like social and medical transition, name changes, and a subculture. The only difference would be that they're not considered legally the opposite gender so wouldn't steal women's sports records etc.Gay rights would still have happened and been granted, but "trans" as a concept wouldn't even exist. Instead of "LGBT(Q)" as today, the acronym would be something like "LGB-GNC". There'd be a "GNC flag", or separate femboy and tomboy flags (or whatever names are chosen for each, if at all).I'm contemplating this, but honestly I feel like it'd still be problematic since there's still the risk of selling medical treatments to minors, and changing none of the perks apart from the legal letter on your ID wouldn't resolve that.
>>516193695>tfw you were born from a deranged faggot's assholeI would actually try to mass grave the entire world faggot's population
>>516180445wasnt there antispychotics that stop the ideas?
>>516176286As long as big industries and media support them.
Give me one good reason why it will be any different than what happened to homosexuals?
>>516203867>What's the difference between saying something like femboy and saying something like trans woman?Are you fucking retarded?A femboy does not identify as a women, it's a man who accept he's a man, but doesn't have a problem with being feminine. Incredible that it takes us to inform and educate you about these matters.
>>516204482The trans movement and its consequences would make sense only if it's actually medically true that it's possible for someone of one gender to be born in the other's body. It isn't, as common sense would dictate, but the libs have rigged science to say otherwise in the interest of promoting their agenda.
>>516204572People with actual gender dysphoria respond to anti-schizophrenia meds, but most trannies now are just AGPs and faggots.
In case you hadn’t noticed, every health plan has a list of conditions that they will not cover, and they may exclude pre-existing conditions more broadly, so it’s up to you to ensure that if you have some medical condition, that if you sign up for a plan, that you will in fact be covered. Now imagine you are trans 20 years ago… every single insurance plan out there lists treatment for gender dysphoria, transgenderism, or other related conditions is an excluded condition. In other words, not a single health insurance plan available will cover any aspect of treatment for your dysphoria, not mental health, not prescription hormones, and certainly not surgeries. If you want to “transition” in any physical sense, you’ll have to pay for it yourself. If you want a sex change surgery, you’ll have to pay out of pocket the cost of weekly mentsl health counseling for at least one year, more likely a couple of years, that’s about $400 a month, plus $200,000 for the surgery itself, and facial surgery, another 100,000 thousand, all payable up front. Twenty years ago, if you were that person, your friends and colleagues might be working towards saving $20 or $30 thousand for a down payment on a house that costs $300K. You would be instead trying to figure out how to pay for the equivalent of a house up front. That was the reality, and what 99% of the people on this board would say “good!” to. I won’t say if that’s good or bad, just that things changed. Insurance companies opened up to paying for trans care, not out of kindness of course but because they had to if they wanted to participate in the insurance markets created under the Affordable Care Act
>>516200336That's you trying to cope. But I actually have experienced not passing, and then getting to the point where i passed. And it's amazing actually. I haven't been misgendered in many years. All you can do is screech that I'm going to kill myself but I already "made it" a long time ago. I don't have to worry about anything being talked about in this thread.
>>516204679ive never understood faggots who are into AGP and thats coming from a faggot.
>>516204592Because homos aren't trying to muddy up the foundational concept of identity. They're men who want to fuck men. There's no confusion underneath it, and there's no enforcement of denying reality to go along with it. They know what they are and so do you. Trannies expect you to participate in a collective delusion and respond with vitriol if you refuse to participate. Fags just wanna do what fags do, you don't need to be involved. Trannies want control over you, and that's a step to far for most people.
>>516176569>guys i am enjoying life trust medoesnt work for 40+ women on tiktok, doesnt work for 20/30 something men on 4chan either
>>516204815exactly this, the culture at large tried to "trans" us with the metrosexual movement, but the public told them to fuck off.
>>516176286>Realistically, what is the future for the transgender movement in the west?when there's enough brown people in the west, it'll be made illegal. simple as.
>>516204815yeah, fags are all right in my book, I just wished they would separate the LGB with T so that they could prove they're not trannies enablers (like fucking libtards)
>>516200978Correlation doesn't equal causation though. Many groups within society have below average health outcomes."20 times the baseline suicide rate" so if the baseline suicide rate is .015 that means 3% of troons commit suicide. Meaning 97% of them don't. The 41% remains a pipe dream.50% complication rate means 50% have zero complications.47% dependant on social services mean 53% are not.And this is in a european country where the government gives people free welfare and the unemployment rate is higher than the US, but apparently over half of sex reassignment patients have no complications and aren't on welfare... so basically your evidence shows that this treatment has a 50% or more success rate? Clearly it could be improved.
>>516204482Well idk. Like with the vegetarian bacon example, do you want people to call it a basedbean because those are the initial ingredients? Once enough changes, it feels like there's something fundamentally different about you compared to real men. It feels a bit like a humiliation ritual to say that you're still the same after doing so much to be different and escape dysphoria.I hope it's not a bridge too far, since dysphoria is weird, but do you agree with the point I'm trying to make?>>516204540I would personally be very happy with this. It would also have more overlap with the actual gay and lesbian communities where there are many gnc people who suffer bullying for it. I always liked the title GSM gender and sexual minorites, better than LGBTQ+>>516204593I just don't understand this concept of "identity" really. I guess I probably am retarded. Sorry.
>>516201908No one in this thread believes you're a woman either calm down jesus
>>516204815i second your post. i don't mind faggots because no delusion is required. it's just a dude who likes putting his dick in the ass of another dude. there isn't this big performative lie all of society has to endure humoring the delusion of them as apache helicopters or anything other than two dudes transmitting aids to each other anally.
>>516204975most of us already have, we give anyone with the T or the flag in the bio the cold sholder.
>>516204815>>516204903>>516204975Haha you kids are very young huhEverything being said about the trannies was said about the gaysMental illness, attack on culture, grooming the kids, groomed themselves...Now we're at a point where faggots like you are even like oh them faggots are okay in my book - that shit was unthinkable a couple of decades agoBtw you're all metrosexual tooThe gays won
>>516205041>I just don't understand this concept of "identity" really. I guess I probably am retarded. Sorry.they make up shit about what feels masculine or feminine to them just so they can break it and do the unexpectedits if 'subverting expectations' was a personality type, think of it like extreme late game contrarianism, or 'special snowflake syndrome' no one cares if you're gay or bi anymore so they need a new thing, and people still do care about trannies roaming around raping kids which is why they havent moved on to the next thing yet and its managed to solidify into cult status or ''identity''
>>516204206>guysI have one sexual partner whichbis my boyfriend of over 3 years and we will be getting married because we're committed. And he supports my surgery 100%
>>516204679Source:my ass
>>516205041>do you agree with the point I'm trying to make?I don't think so. I believe that men can have many facets; they shouldn't just be masculine. I don't like putting people in boxes: “You were born with a penis, so you shouldn't like playing with Barbie dolls.” Why not? I accept all men, whether they want to behave in a masculine or feminine way. I don't want to change reality to perpetuate male stereotypes. You have no idea how much I enjoyed the 80s, when we threw convention out the window and acted/dressed however we wanted. Men can be just as extravagant as women, that's my opinion.
I LOVE passing trannies
>>516205248did you try them? or just seek validation from some twink to mutilate yourself
This is a woman, chud
gender confirmation surgery should be mandatory for trans.don't want the surgery? then you don't actually believe you're actually a woman and you have to go back to being normal.want the surgery? good. chopping your balls will mean you will have no descendants and transgenderism will be a self-correcting problem.
>>516205148>trannies roaming around raping kidsI don't think this is a common occurrence.>>516205265>You have no idea how much I enjoyed the 80sMe too. I like your opinion. I think we should be freed from expectations that make us unhappy. It just focuses on the social aspects of gender and not your physical appearance, so I feel it's a bit incomplete still for me to understand your opinion. Where does hrt fit into this?
>>516176486trannies follow the children, so whatever the new chat app gen Alpha will use, they'll be there, grooming and gooning
>>516205426>i dont think xokay
>>516205426>It just focuses on the social aspects of gender and not your physical appearanceI was talking about physical appearance aswell, if you want to wear dresses, that's on you, you're still a man, with some clothing tastes of a stereotypical woman, Freddie Mercury has no issue doing that and he still called himself a man, those men are called drag queens, they want to look like the usual woman but are aware they're still men, that's more sane than simply morphing reality and telling lies
>>516205291I took anti psychotics prior to considering HRT yes, if that's what you're asking. Going through my whole medical history would take a bit.Anti psychotic make you gain weight, make you a bit stupid, it might blunt suicidal urges along with most intense emotions like that. But they don't really obliterated your sexuality or gender identity or impact it at all. Honestly my doctor prescribed me those along with anti depressants thinking it might help me come out of my shell and stop being a suicidal repressor.
>>516205291I took antipsychotics pretrans and they didn't help with dysphoria. I got some gynocomastia from them which made me happy tho
>>516205594>>516205595>two tranny responses to the medication question at the same time and BOTH of them reveal that the user suffers suicidal delusionscant make this shit up captain
>>516205563But he has a mustache
>>516176286KEEPITTOYOURSELF Oh wait I forgot the whole reason these retards do it is to cry to attention NOTICE ME SENPAI NOTICE ME SENAPI AWWOOOOOOOOOO IN A WOMAN CALL ME A WOMAN AKNOWLWDGEMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>516205666some women have mustache (I'm not joking)https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62206594
>>516205595have you even considered the possibility you're attention seeking? Why not, instead of purchasing random drugs you know nothing about, why not ignore the little voice in your head saying "do stupid stuff to get (you)'s and likes and attention"we're all subpar, its okay to fail a bit in life no need to troon out you fucking sperg
>>516176569>as per It's either per usual or as usual
>>516203469fma was written by a woman
>>516205723Thats unfortunate for her.>>516205728>have you even considered the possibility you're attention seeking?Yes.>Why not, instead of purchasing random drugs you know nothing about, why not ignore the little voice in your head saying "do stupid stuff to get (you)'s and likes and attention"I don't think the stuff that I've done was stupid. I actually know a bit about the stuff I've taken. The stuff was prescription. >its okay to fail a bit in life no need to troon out you fucking spergI don't really have memories from before then. It's mostly just a sad fog. I can't really remember how it happened. If I went back to how things were it'd hurt a lot.
>>516206006>Thats unfortunate for her.why? it's just hair she can cut it off, but she doesn't, because she's proud of that mustache, and she still calls herself a woman (because a man or a woman aren't defined by a set of sterotypes)
>>516206197ability to produce sperm is a sterotype? interesting. tell me more, memeflag who definitely isn't baiting
>>516206277I was talking about a female having a mustache retard
>>516206318no, you were trying to blur the line between male and female like a trannie would. fuck off, that doesn't work anymore we know you're all mentally ill and now you're shooting us because we pulled the cover off.
>>516206444absolutely not, I just showed that an actual indian female had a mustache, are you going to ignore that reality? ignoring reality is troon coded, show me your axewound retard
>>516206521She's still a she, which you were attempting to LIE about and say she was a he because of some facial hair. And also, yes she should shave its the same as a boy playing with a dollhouse its weird and only molested faggots want the opposite gender to mimic the other. faggots like memeflag users. YOU.
>>516206660>you were attempting to LIE about and say she was a he because of some facial hair>>516206197>she's proud of that mustache, and she still calls herself a womanyour reading comprehension is absolute garbage, I literally said that despite having a mustache she's still a female therefore still a woman
