Previous: >>522070746Day 1,369 – Daily assessment: https://understandingwar.org/analysis/russia-ukraine/#research▶Latest>Shatura Plant in mosquew oblast got hit by drones>Marco Rubio announces that the 28 point peace plan was a Russian document, not US one>Zelenskyy discussed latest "peace" plan with NATO Sec.Gen and European partners>Zelenskyy says he won't betray Ukraine>Germany confirms long-range missiles to be acquired by Ukraine>Another Ryazan reFINEry visition + Kursk substation hits>Ukraine says it used an ATACMS on Russian territory>Refineries in Samara + Ryazan regions hit>Voronezh missile engine factory hit>Major Ukie Drone Strike Halts Oil Deliveries at Novorossiysk Terminal>Su-30SM crashed in Karelia, all crew dead>Flamingo flew to Tuapse + NOVOPUSSYISK was hit separately three times at once: port, oil storage, ammo dump>The first Russian region announced an Internet shutdown until the end of the war>The US has frozen negotiations with Russia on normalizing relations>Duma deputy Nikolai Arefiev announced that Russian citizens have “become impoverished”>Ukraine targets Russian energy facilities in Taganrog + Voronezh>Azeris have transferred to NATO doctrine, abandoning russian doctrine citing it as ineffective>'A powerful secondary detonation' Ukraine confirms drone, missile strike on ruz Shahed base at Donetsk airport>Kostroma Station droned Third biggest in Russia + Volgograd reFINEry>HUR + Ru rebels Chernaya Iskra destroy Russian missile equipment + radar in Kursk▶Telegramhttps://rentry.org/telosint2023https://t.me/ukr_pics▶Intelhttps://t.me/DeepStateENhttps://odin.tradoc.army.mil/WEG (equipment explorer)https://ukr.warspotting.net (visually confirmed losses)▶Mapshttps://deepstatemap.live/enhttps://liveuamap.com/en▶DISPOSABLE SOLDIER (diary of a RU mobik)TOUR 1: files.catbox.moe/34fuhc.txtTOUR 2: files.catbox.moe/uj2wut.txtTOUR 3: files.catbox.moe/hmyd98.txtTOUR 4: files.catbox.moe/cdenxe.txt
kill all ziggers and zigger shills
TZD KILL ZIGGERS NUKE MUSCOVITES FLOG 5TH COLUMNISTS
TZD
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH
Shaturskaya still burning BTW
TzD thoughbeit
>>522075691How is hohol question going?
Russians are capable of surviving in any environment. They can live in sewage tubes full of trash, piss and dead bodies. If there is no water they can drink their own piss like Bear Grylls.All of this is gladly done for fresh boipucci (only for punitive purposes, please understand) or looting domestic appliances.I don't feel so confident sisters...These khokhols don't have a chance and we in gayrope should give them whatever they want, pay tribute and hope they don't feel like coming over and fucking us in the ass.
an actual jeet flag popped up at the end, kek >>522075758
Ukraine is winning and Israel is based.
was there any reaction from ruganda about Ukraine using tomahawks on ruganda?
Can't Elon use some of his tens of billions to rangeban all of SEA from the rest of the internet. Put them in their own containment chamber like North Korea.Do it for all that is good and beautiful.
>>522075748lmao, in the morning they told me in /chug/ how it's alreadybomb pidors
TOTAL and i mean TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH
>>522075748it's okay, they can all gather around it for extra warmth
>>522075878*already repaired
>>522075668TZD!
>>522075748easy fix for skilled ruzzian workers warcrime btw ((((
>>522075855
>>522075878fuck... another nuke
look at the delusional europoors itt
>>522075959
>>522075981one can home, retarded aussie weeb, one can hope
>>522075996>europoorsWhen are you going back to Haiti?
>>522075790>They can live in sewage tubes full of trash, piss and dead bodiesthat's just their regular apartment conditions
>>522075981Is this retard the one spamming the 'log with the same thread every day?
>>522075996>europoorsSays the Bangladeshi lol how are the floods there ATM?
Puccia literally importing millions of pajeets while zigerians get turned into meat cubes LMAO
>>522075811I wonder if all these "american" flags are just one stinky pajeet. Everyday getting more desperate as he sees Puccia going bankrupt.
Gays love ukraine
>1941-1945>germany and soviets go from one capital to another>2022-2026>russia raped by a snail
>>522076011
>>522076043idk i just know he is a retarded pedo zigger
>>522076097>by one of the smallest economies in europe grim
>>522076091mearshie is proper ruzzian i think
>>522076091>I wonder if all these "american" flags are just one stinky pajeet.
>>522076091No, there's an actual zigger glowop going on hereIt does involve various turdies shilling for them, but it is organized by fsbniggers just like the ones on twitter
>>522076037You are just jealous of their classy shit fountains and icicles. That's something that every jeet dreams of .
>>522075691Isnt chug a brazilian spammer? Browns are RU advocates wonder why
>>522076224he's also a muslim
>>522075981Didn'y this faggot delete his account?
>>522076280I SACRIFICE MY LIFE FOR AMERICA
>>522076309oh yea i remember how mad he got over the zutt posting
Hohols in this thread hiding because they know full well getting into van is a death sentence. They love zelensky from afar
>>522076146>nukes are going offuhhhhh, doomsdaybros? why aren't we all dead?
wow
What chances are that Zel leaked all those Bubba mails just to cover that corruption scandal? The timing is suspicious.
>>522076374It's "hyhyls".
>>522076347
>>522076360according to his leddit he's half palestinian and bald.
>>522076311i looked it up he still exists
>>522075748All these explosions and fires are going to spike cancer rates. That shit will get into the water table
>>522076374I'm not hiding and don't care about Zelensky at all.bomb pidors
>>522076417No no no, the Ukraine corruption scandal was leaked to weaken Zel! (heard it in a podcast today)
>>522076283>THEY'RE IN THE WALLS! >THEY'RE UNDER MY BED! >MOMMY I'M SCAAAAARED!kek
>>522076452wasn't the us homeland security account from israel lol
>>522076102>3 trillion rubles printed in a monthshits fucking fucked mate.
>>522076479Why would a hohol animal care about kike of kiev?
Russiapros, is github banned in Russia? Are there easy workarounds to running an account there or nah?
>>522076479If you are not hiding stand outside and wait. Something fun will happen
>>522076374subhumans think Europeans fight for leaders and not their holy continent
>>522076578i for one think russia should print more money
>>522076672I don't even need to hide my flag, unlike you.
>>522076286shit fountains you say?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IXIuOH5evYo
>>522076672>Something fun will happenYou'll suck his dick?
>>522076677IRA is fighting for more pajeets, right?
>>522076557no but yes
>>522076770IRA lol imagine supporting commie race traitor
>>522076677Fascist scum you will finish like your predecessors. "eu" is a fourth reich and should be destroyed
>>522076894god i wish it was the fourth Reich subhumans like you would be in the grave already
>>522076677Last time Europeans fought a war they destroyed the continent and spent decades importing browns>>522076864Imagine simping for palirats LMAO
>>522076654>Russiapros, is github banned in Russia?I don’t think so. Things constantly get blocked and unblocked, however, often as collateral damage.>Are there easy workarounds to running an account there or nah?Use DPI bypass software like https://github.com/bol-van/zapret/. The exact configuration depends on your ISP and usually needs changing every few months.
>hordes of bussified meat zelensky burned trying to prolong occupation of Krasnoarmeysk>still wasn't able to hold the cityKEKAROO
>>522076979last time Europeans fought a war we were divided, the next time will be different and you animals will be gone
>>522076283But it's all so shitty and low effort. This is not the big brain KGB I used to hear about when I was kid.What made me hate Puccia even before the invasion is this constant flow of shit they shove on everything and everyone.
>>522076894lol seething shitskin
Should Ukranians get into cave diving the way they seem to like operating in tight spaces? Whats up with all these cauldrons?
>>522077119You can't even evict the imported shitskins from your land, you won't do shit seamus.
>>522077200what a self hating little shitskin you are though :)
>>522077177Improved version with higher resolution.
>>522077200we know where they are all it takes is a week and the problem is solved, look to your own nation first 56%
>>522077131Pokrovsk is now a meat grinder. it looks tasty to take but it's a trap backed up but thousands of drones
>>522076677Ziggers and BRICS trannies don't understand this, they think that everyone needs a czar
>>522077260>Day 1,369 to demilitarize the poorest corrupt nation on the European continent >the self proclaimed second army in the world is using old ladas and juryrigged buggies in full frontal assaults
>>522077385Post hand, shitskin commie
Anapa, Krasnodar Krai air defense
>>522077254LMAO seething>>522077355>look to your own nation first 56%But I thought I was a russian bot? Can you niggers at least be consistent?>>522077433Cry harder
If pidors are winning why do they keep asking for Ukraine to surrender?
>>52207748372% then my bad
>>522077483>self hating commie shitskin melty
Russia is supported by shitskin nations. Ukraine is supported by white nations. That’s all you need to know
>>522077355As soon as they revoke all Human Rights Laws shitskinmaggedon will start.
>>522077585Its true
emotional support cloak
Why are vpn monkeys crying so hard today?
>>522077177>>522077260Wunderbar
>>522077711they lost twitter
>>522077686He was comfy until the end
>>522076097Crazy to think that if the war goes on just about another 3 months it will last longer than the time Germany and the Soviets were at war lol
>>522077904the second great pidor war
TOTAL BOND DEATH
round 2 of katsaps begging us to surrender has started
>>522077904Nah, it's not even 2 months mate. 11th of Jan is for the war to last the same length. 12th of January is only 50 days away.
>Another batch of captured ukrainian terroristsLmao. Just light up these pigs with ak's
>>522077131what cauldron? didn't you capture pokrovsk last month?
>>522078075youre pretty smug for someone in a failed state that is on a 3-year losing streak
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATH WITH A GOLDENEYE ASS OUTROhttps://files.catbox.moe/wwo2bt.mp4
>>522078075Our lad's in the middle. Hope he doesn't hold his punches.
Ziggers must really be out of money if all their zhills can't afford VPNs anymore
>>522075668guys?
>>522078270yeah that nigga is cooked
>>522075668guise?
>>522078270>that screaming>that ending
>>522078188As soon as the Pokrovsk Megafortress falls, all of The Ukraine will fall in 2 days... bljad.
>>522075668guyz?
>>522078270yeah his femoral got hit. he ded.
>>522075668guize?
>>522075668guys??
If pidoranny was actually winning, all this spam would not be necessary.
>>522078443BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD>>522078462WE PAY FIELTY TO KHORNEEEEEEE
>>522077585Did you just call usa, canada, uk and eu, countries that are being negrofied and pajeetfied by the moment, countries that in 30 years will inevitably brown muslim shitholes, white? North Korea and China are more white than Usa and Eu
TOTAL ZIGGER DEATHTOTAL SHILL DEATH
>>522078593Lol. Get real, russNIGGER
>>522078522no rectum integrity?
>>522078535which battle did your beggar country win after the capture of kherson in 2022?
>>522078270Lovely dead ziggers. Ty for sharingOdds that this successful double tap was in a "red" part of the map which the Russian Ministry of Defence claims to have full control over?
>>522078593>calls gook nations white You are a shitskin and you fraternize with shitskins
>>522078727Shitzuca, please.
>>522078593>brown muslim shitholesLike russia?
>beggar countrybut ukraine provides a service - TZD - in return for military aid
NEW COVERT CABAL TANK COUNTING VIDEO:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Ft1-pLm5A>tl:dr>count spans from early 2025 to today>44 T-54/55s have disappeared>260 T-62s have disappeared>200 T-64s have disappeared>452 T-72A/Ural have disappeared,40% of the PRE-WAR stockpile just got evaporated>237 T-72Bs have disappeared>55 T-80B/BV have disappeared>88 T-80U/UD have disappearedThe T-72As being pulled is especially telling as those stood mostly untouched for the entire the war with only 20% (233 tanks) being removed until the start of 2025, probably for modernization into either T-72B3s, T-90s or turtle tanks. This year alone however had half of the remaining ones (40% since the start of the war, 452 tanks in total) get pulled out.
>>522078925These are the remaining Russian tanks
Thoughts on European modifications to Trump's peace plan?Europe is suggesting things like this:>Size of Ukraine military to be capped at 800,000 in peacetime>Russia to be invited back into the G8https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/full-text-european-counter-proposal-us-ukraine-peace-plan-2025-11-23/Do you agree with those proposals?
>>522078925>disappeared>implying we dont know where they went
>>522078753I'm whiter that the whitest person in your town, negro. As for the Asians, Hitler himself made some of them honorary aryan. And modern ones often even look very pale and cute.>>522078674And this gif changes negrofication and pajeetofication of usa, canada, uk and eu how exactly?You're mad cause i'm right.
>>522078984at this point its probably just a (likely pajeet) intern recycling older posts
>>522079054>implying we dont know where they wentWe don't. It's a mystery what happened to them.
>>522075996it's really quite sad. ukraine never ever stood a chance even with all that yuropoor support lmao and all for their little jew boy leader hahaha ha get fucked retards
>>522078764>another robotyne moment
There is no negrofication and pajeetofication of pozzia since you're already a muzratshithole
>>522075758>IndiaWhy do you hate Ukraine? What has Ukraine ever done to India?
>>522078984>ukraine leadership has expressed zero gratitude for our effortwhy the fuck did this shithole had to choose between this schizophrenic fuck and a token negro?
>>522079165>another shitzuca denialYeah, encircling and destroying your enemy is not a victory. Keep being brown.
>>522078270>"AAAAAH! BLYAT! WORTH THE GORILLION RUBBLERINOS!"
GREGGPOSTING23 November 2025 update.For once, I will try to write Russia and Russian with an s and not a z.So many journalists have expressed their dissatisfaction and say they cannot share my posts because I use the z.I have used this spelling to distance myself from Russian terror and the Z-society.So much for that — now to the frontline update, which is also important for us as we once again set course toward our heroes.The past 24 hours of updates from the battle lines in Ukraine show a war that continues to be intense, complex, and geographically widespread — but where large frontline changes fail to appear.Russian forces are pushing in several sectors, particularly in Donetsk and along the eastern axis, but Ukraine is, overall, managing to hold its positions and slow down the Russian attempts to exploit local weaknesses.According to information from my military contacts and several open sources, the situation as of 22–23 November 2025 is stable but extremely strained, with Ukraine having a defensive upper hand in several key areas.>Donetsk: Pokrovsk, Myrnohrad, and Dobropillia continue to absorb Russian firepowerThe heaviest pressure remains in the central part of Donetsk oblast.Russian forces continue their attempts to break through the Pokrovsk–Myrnohrad–Dobropillia axis, but despite weeks of intensified attacks, the cities are holding.>Pokrovsk and Kostiantynivka are reported to absorb up to one third of all Russian artillery fire during the period 15–22 November.>Russian units are simultaneously trying to push from the north by moving around Sloviansk, likely in an attempt to create a new threat toward both Toretsk and the larger Kramatorsk cluster.>ISW and Ukrainian sources report no major territorial breakthroughs, but local Russian terrain gains could gain tactical significance if exploited quickly.
>>522079075If you have to judge your whiteness on a continuum you aren’t white. It’s a binary thing. Chinks and Koreans are not white simple as. You frolic with Brazilians chinks Indians niggers etc. you suckle the cock of the Chechen place him above you. You are subhuman
>>522079184At least the jeet lost, and the seething has been source for great keks
>>522078925>>522079015Can't remember when or where I saved this from though I think it was jompy or another OSINTer on xitter. Cover Cabal's numbers seem to suggest that they're withdrawing faster than this table implies. Not necessarily a contradiction, just that this table is out of date perhaps.
>>522079312The terrain, mud season, and Ukraine’s artillery capability have stopped several Russian attack attempts — especially those requiring movement across open fields between Rodynske–Udachne–Pivnichne.>Kharkiv and the northern eastern sector: the Kupiansk axis remains volatileIn the northeast, along the Oskil River and near Kupiansk, Russia continues its efforts to establish bridgeheads and push westward.>Fighting is still classified as ongoing, without definitive Russian success.>Russian units are switching between infiltration, small-scale river-crossing attempts, and more traditional ground assaults.>Ukraine’s defensive lines have held, but the area is operationally sensitive — if Kupiansk falls along a broad front, a corridor opens toward both Sloviansk and Izium.The Luhansk area has also seen increased drone activity, both FPV and reconnaissance, with several reports of Ukrainian precision strikes against Russian rotation centers.>Southern front: Zaporizhzhia and Kherson — heavy fighting but no breakthroughsAlong the southern front, from Orikhiv to Robotyne and onward toward Velyka Novosilka and Tokmak, the situation remains extremely dynamic.>Russia attempts to retake tactical heights and push its lines forward, but rarely manages to stabilize small gains due to Ukrainian artillery, drones, and counterattacks.>No major breakthroughs were reported on 22 November — the fighting is described as persistent, costly, and positional.>In the Kherson region, Ukraine continues to hold small bridgeheads on the eastern bank of the Dnipro, forcing Russia to commit large forces despite the very difficult terrain.
>>522075996They ran out of "key" strongholds you don't even hear that gay midwit buzzword anymore
>>522078854Tolerating people you conquered isn't quite the same as importing fighting-age men who hate your nation by the boat load. Russia's Muslims are light-skinned and docile.
>>522078984>every single tweet of his mentions that it's Biden's war / fault or that Trump has nothing to do with it / war would never happen under his rule
>>522076469tf are you talking about
zigger gamblers in ruins
>>522079383Overall assessment:>Ukraine holds the line — Russia searches for desperate openingsThe overall picture as of 22–23 November is a war in an attritional phase in which:>Ukraine holds its defensive lines on all major axes.>Russian forces pay high losses for small tactical gains.>The frontline is static on the map but dynamic in the air: the drone war determines tempo, safety, and logistics.>Pokrovsk–Myrnohrad remains the most exposed sector, yet also the one where Ukraine shows the greatest resilience.Forward-looking analysis: What may happen 23–30 November?>1. Pokrovsk will continue to be the hotspotRussia has invested enormous resources and prestige in this sector. Next week is expected to see:>continued attempts at bypass maneuvers northeast of Myrnohrad,>increased FPV swarms targeting Ukrainian logistics,>Russian rotation units around Ocheretyne to strengthen offensive capability.Ukraine will likely continue to hold, but the strain is extreme.>2. Kupiansk risks a short-lived local Russian breakthroughNot a strategic breakthrough, but:>a Ukrainian withdrawal of 1–2 km along a broad front is possible,>especially if the ground dries enough for Russian mechanized units to move more freely.>3. The drone war escalates furtherBoth sides are investing offensively:>Ukraine is expected to continue striking Russian artillery and ammunition depots in Luhansk.>Russia will likely attempt to hit Ukrainian drone factories, especially in the Dnipro and Kyiv regions.>4. Zaporizhzhia may see Ukrainian local counterattacksIn the past week, Ukraine has managed to knock out several Russian EW systems near Robotyne and Verbove, which suggests:>preparations for targeted counterattacks,>or an attempt to restore positions lost earlier in the autumn.
>>522079503hahaha
>>522075668TZD
>>522079319If whiteness is binary, America as of now is not white though. And Canada, eu and uk are on an unstoppable train to not be white as well
>>522079567>5. Mud and weather slow everything — but benefit UkraineLate November brings:>continued immobility for Russian mechanized units,>increased reliance on infantry assaults (“meat waves”),>heavier dependence on drones for both sides.Ukraine is generally better at precision drone warfare, which favors continued defensive success.>Conclusion: A week of continued grinding, high intensity — but low risk of breakthroughsThe situation at the end of November 2025 resembles a typical Russian-style winter offensive: heavy artillery, massive FPV attacks, limited mechanized thrusts, and efforts to overload Ukrainian logistics.But Ukraine holds the line in all sectors.The coming week will be:>heavy,>exhausting,>but likely without strategic changes.Pokrovsk–Myrnohrad remains the hotspot — and simultaneously a symbol of Ukraine’s continued resilience.Our trip will be highly interesting.Please sign up for the online seminar I will hold from the frontline together with soldiers and officers.The language will be English and the participation fee is up to you — 10 SEK or 1000 SEK or anything in between.Sign up via my email or via my Messenger.As far as I know, this is the first time such an event is organized from the frontline.We have continued to purchase materials according to the wish lists given by the units.We are very happy and proud of all the product and money donations you have given us — right now it looks like we can deliver 80% of the wish lists.In these times, this is extremely meaningful, and the units feel great humility for your help.We will be a convoy of three cars this time.That means higher travel costs and more attention to safety.We are forced to drive through areas with drone warnings, which means our movements must be planned and communication with the units must be solid.SLAVA UKRAINI
>>522078925T-72Ural/A use different turrets than the B and 90. They can't be modernized into them which is probably why they haven't been touched until now.The casting equipment to make T-72B and T-90A turrets was scrapped decades ago. The only in-production turret is the welded T-90M one. However, the composite hull armor is different too so they likely aren't going to be cut apart and rebuilt into T-90Ms.Whatever they become it's going to be a kitbash of a bunch of weird soviet shit with whatever new russian parts they have available to cram in there. So turtles, probably.
>>522079165You're brown
>>522078925>>The T-72As being pulled ihahahahahhha....*breathes in*...AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA>>522079124still one of my favoritehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1LSUIhvGKE>>522079236That isn't what he's actually saying, you're just joshing, right?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r76RyD-PAOw
>>522079447najgorsze jest to że w belwederze siedzi przydupas syjońskiego dona który będzie cieszył się z każdego zjebanego pomysłu który zrobi Polskę w chuja
>>522079046It's written in the interest of Ukraine and is fairly reasonable, but we all know Russia won't accept anything other than the total capitulation of the very country they're locked into a war of attrition with.I don't understand why the US thinks it can play a mediator in all of this. The US hasn't given a cent of aid to Ukraine since Trump took office. The US is only supplying intelligence and selling weapons to Europe. American intelligence has gotten less crucial after Ukraine pulled out of Russia and started focusing on static oil refineries.The US MIC is the only part of the American manufacturing economy that Trump hasn't completely destroyed yet besides tariffed raw materials. The US doesn't have as much leverage they think they do. At this point, it's all political theatre to make Trump think he's more important than he actually is lest he actively start sabotaging Ukraine rather than simply disengaging from the conflict.
>>522077355Man, last time I flew to Buergerica, I guenuinely thought the pilot made a mistake and I landed in Africa. I swear only 1 out of 2 people were white. Then I saw this.It really wasn't like my Hollywood movies. Unironically Japan was more like my animu.
>>522075668 28 points is far too many for the TikTok generation. So I have taken the liberty to rewrite an optimised peace plan in a single bullet point.>1. Total zigger death.
>>522080075I can get behind this one
>>522079906najgorsze jest to ze sa ludzie ktorzy glosowali na tego przydupasa a i nie do konca wiadomo czy wygral
>>522080075ugh das racist
>>522079771>The casting equipment to make T-72B and T-90A turrets was scrapped decades agoWhy did they do that? And why can't they just make it again? Were the engineers and factories in Soviet Ukraine?>The only in-production turret is the welded T-90M oneThat stacks with this table from frontintelligence about brand new tank production over the next decade. I don't understand why they waited until the 5th year of war to begin making hundreds of tanks from scratch again. I suppose they always believed in the Soviet stockpiles of old being able to deliver a knockout blow.But why aren't they building hundreds of T14s? Aren't they the newer better ones?https://frontelligence.substack.com/p/exclusive-inside-russias-20262036
>>522080212ja oddałem nieważny bo i rafałek pedałek był chujowym kandydatem. donek powinien postawić sikorskiego, i byłoby większe prawdopodobieństwo że by wygrali.
TICK TOK UKRONAZIS
>>522080335why can't russia just do it now then
>>522080372they have too many gloves on
>>522080335>the world is shitskinslol lmao
>>522080313>>522079771Against drones and modern artillery, tanks are becoming increasingly obsolete except in extremely niche cases.>Still remembers the cavalry rush at the outset of gulf war 2
>>522080313It is so cute of them thinking they will last past 2027
>>522080405Russia is a very cold country
>>522080075Unfortunately, tiktok is run by Zigger supporting Chinamen
>>522080335>HELP ME TRUMP!!!!
>>522078270lol the blood on the camera crazy how they finished researching the tourniquettech
>>522079312>greggpostingKeep em coming. Mearshie churka really does not like these. About as much as anons commenting on his prophets tight asshole converting prehistoric pajeets
>>522080335THE GLOVES, ARE THEY FINALLY COMING OFF?
>>522080335so if kiev signs a peace treaty you won't liberate odessa and trannystria?
22:15 | 23/11
>>522080322ja juz z dwojga zlego na rafaella ale chuj z tego skoro kotlownia zaprzysiezyl bez podliczenia wszystkich glosow>>522080335this is also why ziggerstan won't accept the 28 US plan. they want a land passage to Transnitria. they will not give up on Odessa
>>522080335tik tok brigade
>>522080583oh shit mosquew is gonna burn some more LMAO
>>522080583thank you based ukraine
>>522080583Better bunker up trannies
>>522080583Kinda week night, unfortunately. I wanted more.
>All the "americans" went silent at the same time They dont even try at this point
>>522080583I don't know what I like best. Moskals in flames, or frozen solid.
>>522075668Happy THD to all my uhg niggers
>>522080583have they attacked mosquew this much before? seems like recently they have been going at it
>>522080939weak*
>>522080583Luvleh. I hope they take out the Novorossiysk port again.
>>522080924lol
>>522080583Air defense in the south has been so raped that Ukraine just sends few drones and they all come through anyways. Impressive.
>>522080430Drones have the new breakthrough tech advantage now and are at their peak. It's yet to see what the role of armored pushes are as tactics adapt between improved EW, dedicated SPAAG and miniature, self autonomous ones bolted onto major assets like tanks Frankly cheap drone potential as fire control for mortars/arty/airstrikes is bigger then fpv spam
>>522080996>i'm ready for this experiencegetting on his knees and getting his dick cut off, right? right?!
>>522080976>Moskals in flames, or frozen solid.why not both, kinda like burning a frozen shitsicle with kerosene russian style
>>522080996No they haven't you're right to spot a trend. Lately they're striking power plants that supply the capital with heat and electricity.
>>522076557>>522076791Please tell me this is true
>>522080313>Why did they do that?obsolete>And why can't they just make it again?they could. they could also start making Mosin-Nagant rifles again. but why?>Were the engineers and factories in Soviet Ukraine?no. T-72/90s are Uralvagonzavod products. they just didn't see the point in keeping around lines to build old model T-72 parts anymore.if they are going through the time/expense/materials to build something from scratch they build T-90M turrets.>why aren't they building hundreds of T14s?lel. that piece of shit was never more than a tech demonstrator (read: parade float) to scam the indians out of money. they never even completed a proper prototype let alone a standardized preproduction version.once 2014 sanctions happened and they ran out of money that whole project died. they quietly declared that T-90M was going to be their new tank going forward and that it incorporated all the T-14 technology (that they never had the budget to develop).>>522080430until something else can fill the role of tanks then tanks are not obsolete. lots of things can kill tanks. it's always been that way. but few things can do what tanks do.
>>522081264its not
>We're back to UKRAINE HASN'T SAID THANK YOU ENOUGH!I am so fucking tired of senile boomers.
>>522080075based moderate
i think that current day (land) warfare is based on these 4:foot soldiertankhelicopterdroneif you lack in any of these departments, you're at an disadvantage
>>522081467They also don't have the cards
>>522081467>Your peaceful country gets invaded by monkeYou vill apologise!
>>522075668I take it this war will go on until monke dies. Then the Ruskies will wash their hands of him like they did with Stalin and call it off.https://youtu.be/rOXaPE6gklI
>>522081587
>>522079926>we all know Russia won't accept anything other than the total capitulation of the very country they're locked into a war of attrition with.Maybe Putin would be tempted by an off-ramp though, especially since Russia's economy is struggling. Putin would be able to say to Russians "look, I strong-armed the West into limiting Ukraine's military, and I even got Russia back into the G8".>The US MIC is the only part of the American manufacturing economy that Trump hasn't completely destroyed yet besides tariffed raw materials. The US doesn't have as much leverage they think they do.Maybe Trump might say "we're not even going to sell weapons to Europe unless Ukraine agrees to peace". Perhaps that would be a stupid move because it would hurt the US economy, but maybe Trump would still do it, since he seems to value his own ego more than the wellbeing of Americans.
>>522081574>miga shills>india>cardsthere's must be some connection...
>>522076894>Fascist scumif only :(
>>522078270not so much smuggy russnigger eh??i fucking love dead russnigger subhumans
>>522081264could be edited mind you
>>522078984>from I will end the war in 24H to seethium posts like thislmao
>>522081536no artillery? or are you arguing that drones are basically just a form of that. which is true.the historic three are still relevantartilleryinfantrycavalrythe cav look different these days because it is armored vehicles and attack helos but the role they play on the battlefield is the exact same as it was 400 years ago.
>>522081929truly a dicksucker moment
>>522081186mosquew is gonna frooze
>>522079046>capping the armyabsolutely retard beyond belief, not happening
>>522081712>>522081929lol
>>522079046800k is fine as long as it is equipped
>>522081640You've reminded me of pic related
>>522081096getting ready to get no scoped by the Ukrainian nanosuit division
>>522081640Monke is some 75% blind diaper wearing KGB agent who imploded RU and sent all assets to Israel and begged his own military not to murder him before he bombed their plane.
>>522079383>In the Kherson region, Ukraine continues to hold small bridgeheads on the eastern bank of the Dnipro, forcing Russia to commit large forces despite the very difficult terrainWait what? They're on the left bank of the river?
>>522082044yh i dont think a mega large army is that important as long as its an army of ubermensch and if another war comes well the treaty can be used as toilet paper
>>522082055Those lucky parents are getting Cheetos for christmas
>U.S. and Ukrainian officials are discussing a possible visit by President Zelensky to the U.S., but it depends on how ongoing peace talks in Geneva unfold, - CBS News
>>522079046This is terrible desu. I don't understand why the Canada, France, Germany, Italy, UK and Japan are agreeing to this. In order for russia to be invited back to g8 all these countries have to agree.
>>522082292why even bother with traitor trump still? im so tired of that orange nigger
>>522082191
>>522081640Isn't that the Luann from king of the hill?
>>522081285Cheers. If I've read you right, they are surviving on Soviet stockpile refurbs until T-90 assembly lines get set-up in 2 years.>they quietly declared that T-90M was going to be their new tank going forward and that it incorporated all the T-14 technology (that they never had the budget to develop).Lol I didn't know this but it makes a lot of sense given their behaviour during the war. Not one T14 has been used.
>>522081962i feel like drones have replaced the artillery at this pointriding around with expensive, easy to target rocket systems is no good these days. we moved away from heavy, expensive, high tech systems to basically zerging with drones
LMAO WTF??https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/about
>>522081712Its been over 2 days yet they cant they redeem?
>>522081709Jewtin will not give up on Slovyansk and Kramatorsk.
>>522081640I actually wonder what the succession will look like. Monke himself is just king glowie and he's backed by the whole russian glowforce. You don't hear about any frontrunner successor but then nobody had ever heard of Monke until their empire imploded and glowies put him in charge. It remains to be seen whether there'll be a smooth transition of power as the glowies just elect a new Monke and defenestrate anybody who disagrees, or if there will be a powerstruggle between glownigeria, the military, the oligarchs and the petty warlords.I guess we'll live to see it either way.
>>522082288nothing better than a bunch of 'murican made chips, just to rub it in
>>522082495>pastarunestranslate or we break the spaghetti
>the fucking cages around refineries
>>522082055>top 10 anime betrayals
>>522082466>we moved away from heavy, expensive, high tech systems to basically zerging with drones>first to win any conflict is the one who 6 pools and zerg rushes the enemy's strategic military airports with drone trucksI love the future.
>>522082495tomato concentrate is unbeaten
>>522082055How did they not see his Ukie flag?
To any Russian vet I would just bow and say "Thank you"
>>522082466they have replaced artillery because of the lack of shells (remember when ziggers bragged they could get shells down to $1500? what happened?) not because fpv drones are better than rockets. drones are being forced to do the work of artillery they haven't replaced it. as far as heavy, expensive high tech systems go I can think of no better counter examples than operating a drone swarm of multiple drone variants.
>>522082788Ziggers are fucking vermin
>>522082798these badboys are very advanced
>>522082779i still can't believe that UA massacred about a third or Russian airforce by using a movie scenariohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN3slNIjVTk
>The State Duma reported fraud during the pension reform in 2018>None of the promises made during the pension reform in 2018 came true, said State Duma deputy Alexei Kurinny.>“The purchasing power of pensions in relation to the cost of living of a pensioner has decreased, in relation to average wages decreased even more. All that was achieved was to save federal funds. This amount is somewhere around 3 trillion rubles,” the deputy explained.
>>522082798>>522082886MAXIMUM STEALTH
>>522082850Russias a joke even their allies kill them for fun
>>522082882not my problem tovarishch
>>522082457they have a T-90M line going right now. it's just really small. they can make, at most, a dozen a month from scratch.all of the other numbers you have seen about russian tank production are them modernizing old tanks from the soviet stockpile.which is where this T-72Ural/A modernization problem comes in. they don't have any surplus modern-ish turrets to put on them. they would need to pull them from their T-90M line. their small, slow, limited, T-90M production line.
>>522082958FUCK IT DIDNT WORK
>>522079046No. This WOULD be a great peace plan, if not for the fact that Russia will not adhere to a single one of these conditions.Each point has an easy way for Russia to break the treaty:>1) Ukraine's sovereignty to be reconfirmed.Putin himself did that 20 years ago and look what they did.>2. There will be a total and complete non-aggression agreement reached between Russia and Ukraine and NATO. All ambiguities from the last 30 years will be resolved.Resolved how? Magically? Russia won't accept a single thing and the talk will break down.>5)Ukraine will receive robust Security GuaranteesSo why doesn't it? Why keep it vague like this? What does "robust security guarantees" mean here? No one knows, especially not Europe or the US. Russia just thinks this is funny.6)Size of Ukraine military to be capped at 800,000 in peacetime.A better choice would be 400k + 100 nuclear hypersonic cluster missiles. This would guarantee Russia won't invade them anymore more than even 1 trillion soldiers would. But no, we can't have that because Russia wants the rest.>7) Ukraine joining NATO depends on consensus of NATO members...which does not exist. Aka "well we TECHNICALLY gave you the opportunity to join but uh...turns out we voted against it. ;)>8)NATO agrees not to permanently station troops under its command in Ukraine in peacetime.NATO shouldn't have to agree to anything. Last I checked they didn't fucking lose. Nor did Ukraine.>9. NATO fighter jets will be stationed in PolandTHEY ARE ALREADY IN POLAND. This is just fucking theater.>10. US guarantee that mirrors Article 5If there is one lesson to take from this war, it's that article 5 is fucking worthless.>a. US to receive compensation for the guarantee"Money for protection". That's a switch from soft power to outright blackmail of what are supposed to be our last allies left in this world. And this is how we treat them now.1/2
>>522083034>When you listen to RT and go and die in horrific ways for onions and cheetosGet what you deserve.
can congress still send shit to ukraine or does it have to be signed off on by orange man?
>>522082850lack of shells is just another of many problems with heavy artillery. when one toy drone with a makeshift bomb can neutralize your multi million $$$ system, it's not all that worth to invest into ityes, a drone swarm, (especially an AI operated, autonomous system that will be a game changer) is high tech but it consists of relatively cheap units working together. you're not that concerned that a percentage of them goes down because the rest still functions
>>522078270kino as fuck ending. i applaud you, dead ziggy!
>>522082358Yes it looks terrible. But I have just read an article which features a Ukrainian professor, and he says that Ukrainians might be willing to accept Europe's proposals, such as freezing the current front line, without handing over land currently administered by Ukraine to Russia:>Olexiy Haran, a professor of comparative politics at the Kyiv Mohyla academy, said Ukrainians overwhelmingly rejected the Trump document and would support the European one. “Freezing the frontline is a difficult compromise for us, but one a majority would back,” he said, but that there was no support for giving land to Russia.>“Any peace deal isn’t about Zelenskyy. Ultimately it’s about the Ukrainian people and their understanding of Ukraine as a nation,” he said. “We definitely can’t allow all these crazy points in this Trump so-called peace plan.”https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/23/trump-ukraine-zero-gratitude-peace-plan-international-talks
>>522082466What drones can replace artilleries range and spammability. Drones can guide their fire way better then old forward positioned observers but in no way or shape are fpv spam a replacement for them. Not even the overhyped glide bombs are that good as tgey vurn through expensive airframe work hours
>>522082055multicam and its consequences have been a daster for pidor IFF.
>>522083024Right I think I understand now. Thanks for spoonfeeding me mate.
>>522083258Jewtin got given the Epstein list from Israel so he panicking
UKRAINEISFUCKINGLOSING
>>522082358>I don't understand why the Canada, France, Germany, Italy, UK and Japan are agreeing to this. In order for russia to be invited back to g8 all these countries have to agree.because Russia will be incredibly desperate for business to come back meaning they'll give away their left nuts for some dollar scraps, including shit like cheaper oil and uranium and every concession imaginable to returning western companies
>>522083453Just 2 more days, comrade.
>>5220831582/3>b. If Ukraine invades Russia, it forfeits the guaranteeLmao. Not in 500 years would they be able or willing to invade Russia randomly. But this will give Russia a perfect excuse to claim "Ukraine attacked us (lmao trust us bro!!!) therefor we must conquer the rest!">c. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a robust coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be restored and any kind of recognition for the new territory and all other benefits from this agreement will be withdrawn.No such thing will happen. Nothing besides a strongly worded letter for Russia breaking Minsk 3 as well.>a. Creation of Ukraine Development fund to invest in high growth industries including technology, data centres and Al effortsNO ONE NEEDS FUCKING DATA CENTERS, UKRAINE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE ENERGY FOR THAT ON ACCOUNT OF EVERYTHING BOMBED BY RUSSIA.This is fucking Atlman and Thiel dictating what slice of cake THEY want from all of this. Trump is a traitor to America holy shit.>e. Mineral and natural resource extractionAND HERE IT IS!>13. Russia to be progressively re-integrated into the global economyWhy? So they get bailed out from their failing economy and can do it all over again?>15. A joint Security taskforce will be established with the participation of US, Ukraine, Russia and the Europeans to promote and enforce all of the provisions of this agreementAbsolutely nothing will happen here.>16. Russia will legislatively enshrine a non-aggression policy towards Europe and UkraineYeah and they will LMAO the entire time they're doing it.>18. Ukraine agrees to remain a non-nuclear state under the NPT"keep the door open for us hohol, we will be back very fucking soon )))"
>>522083158>>522083644it's worth reminding that UA gave up on nukes in exchange of military protection from USo'm and ziggerstan
>>522083896i wonder what they tell zelensky when he brings that up to them
>>522083260scarcity is a problem with everything in a war bro drone parts are cheap and plentiful right now so that is whats being used. in the future i doubt china is going to allow people to make drones so cheaply when its their soldiers under threat of them. drones are also more expensive than what is commonly understood — just listing an estimate of the price of materials isnt a fair way to price a drone when you have things like man hours to consider. what is revolutionary about drones is their ability to hold territory by landing and ambushing dudes.
>>522082495he is literally in burkina faso right now
>>522083995I doubt Blomph even knows about that
Honestly trump can go fuck himself
>>522079046This is fine.Freezing the war on the current line of contact was always the most likely outcome of this war, and as much as I'd love to see Russia sanctioned until Putin passes away, the end of its pariah status is the most reasonable concession that could be offered.I don't like military limitations. The Budapest Memorandum got Ukraine into this mess and further restricting its army is not an adequate deterrence. It's just enshrining a power imbalance between two nations which will carry over into peacetime and leave Ukraine more vulnerable to being strongarmed or invaded in the future.The rest is pretty boilerplate stuff, though. If this became the basis for a peace process both sides could walk away from the war with something. As much as I love TZD, the war obviously has to end somehow and at some point and unless Ukraine is about to pull a counteroffensive out of a hat, a freezing of the front along current lines is the best outcome it could expect.However, I expect Russia to simply outright ignore this version of the proposal. Their goal isn't peace, it's the destruction of an independent ukrainian state. Russia's single non-negotiable is the concession of Ukraine's donbas fortifications, because it opens the way for them to blitz Kyiv in the future. They're just going to try and cut Europe out of the process and lean on whatever leverage got them american assent to the previous proposal.
>>52208364421. TerritoriesUkraine commits not to recover its occupied sovereign territory through military means. Negotiations on territorial swaps will start from the Line of Contact.And they will break down within minutes because Russia insists on everything+stuff they don't have.>27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by a Board of Peace, chaired by President Donald J. Trump. There will bepenalties for violation.L M A O AhahahahahahahahahahaPEACE IN OUR TIME, BOYS! What an ironclad fucking treaty totally not full of holes and basically an invitation for Russia to do it again with flimsy excuses.Totally!The only one to ever successfully negotiate with mongols was the pope, and that was after all of Europe was burned down already.Everyone who drafted this, agreed to this, or even considered this to be anything but a blatant joke should be shot immediately.
>>522083158>>522083644Fair points. I guess the only way we will see a better deal for Ukraine is if Europe is willing to supply more and better weapons to Ukraine, right? Since the US doesn't want to anymore.
>>522084118well, biden wasnt much help either
>>522078593>countries that in 30 years will inevitably brown muslim shitholesbut enough about russia
>>522083995Last time it was brought up was the white house meeting where trump's little henchman blew up and screamed "say thank you"The histrionics were designed to distract from the content of what was being said, since most americans are too young or stupid to know what the Budapest Memorandum is. It worked.
this is pretty funnyhttps://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1992621271373254656/vid/avc1/720x560/gH0T9tNd39cqMbMy.mp4
>>522084251>Everyone who drafted this, agreed to this, or even considered this to be anything but a blatant joke should be shot immediatelydo americans even give a shit? Theres never been a worse presidency in the history of the US and no-one seems to actually want to do something
i will bake one bread
>>522084261the qtard in me wants to believe its a scheme to scare the euros into buying more american shit but unfortunately trump is a retard so probably not.
>>522084750I have an OP proposition
>>522084592I give a shit at least. Because I like to consider myself not yet fully brainwashed by 30IQ retards and their TV mouth pieces, but generally you're right, this is an already decayed country of apathy, faggotry, idiocy, obesity, and intellectual bankruptcy.OF COURSE we would not only sell out Ukraine, but undermine Europe too while we're at it.Who needs allies when we have...uh...well officially we still have nukes and there's like a 0.00001% they still work so we're fine getting fatter and dumber.
>>522084903mines betteerrr
Baking
>>522084964abort
>>522084977Sorry, didn't see you there
>>522084903/k/ino
NEW THREAD>>522085022>>522085022>>522085022>>522085001no probs, fren
>>522075813Jews are a plague, israel will fall kill yourself nigger
>>522079046Honestly this is reasonable. Ukrainians don't want to die forever. Specifically, they won't want to keep dying because NATO is being spineless. And next time Russia inevitably chimps out they at least have real guarantees from allies. Russia will reject it because it doesn't allow them to chimp out again though.>>522079075nigger
>>522081123oh man thats great!had a good laugh, thanks for postan
