>discussions about low birth rates on normie sitesWe need to improve cost of living and housing costs so we will be more likely to have children>4chan discussion on birth ratesThe reason birth rates are so low is because people don't have sexWhy are 4channlers so disconnected from the outside world ?
>>522099271Birthrates are low due to women being in the workforce. It is really that simple.
They always put the baby boomer era as an example, when in reality boomers lucked out big.Other generation were much poorer and still managed to have children, people are just too neurotic and narcissistic to have children nowadays.
>>522099271This is like the 6th time you've made this thread, stop begging for attention, get new material or get the fuck out
>>522099272Women are in the workforce because one income cannot sustain a family anymore.
Even affordable countries like Romania and Poland have a fertility rate below 2.1. I think this whole unaffordable housing thing is pure cope.
>>522099276>affordable countries like Romania and Poland>affordablenot for people actually living there, Jacques
>>522099276Warsaw literally has a worse property price to income ratio than toronto does. People will look at how cheap houses are in these countries but ignore how shit the wages are and how many people are without jobs
>>522099275Women are in the workforce and college regardless of their marital status. As if you ever heard a woman articulate anything along the lines that she is going to college/work because she wants to support her future nuclear family.
>>522099271>We need to improve cost of living and housing costs so we will be more likely to have childrenExcept majority of these retards want to live way beyond their means. I'm talking about wanting a home in the middle of LA, SF, NYC, and Miami. As well as eating at restaurants and bars, and driving expensive cars.
>>522099271Oh it’s this retarded Canadian thing again. Should go look into the archives
Normgroids will blame anything but the real problem (women), thankfully artificial wombs will exist within the next 19 years and we'll no longer have to pretend they are human
James also has access to post grad education while his grandfather worked his fucking body to the bone.
Why are incels getting so triggerd over this ? You tink middle class people want to have kids when they cant afford houses and combine their income to live in a shit apartment with thousands in student debt ?
>>522099284Opinion discarded
>>522099285>toronto was reported as being 15-20% south asian in 2024if it is that bad I cant even imagine how bad the usa looks
>>522099271>it’s le socioeconomic factors!No retard, Fourth world shitholes like Nigeria or Mali have high fertility rates because they treat foids like objets
>>522099287they also have no acess to birth control, medival tier health care systems, no pensions ( makes sense to have more children) and live in agrian socites
>>522099271This thread again how many times are you going to post this shite
Birth rates are low because having children is a low priority or to women. Look at at how the hordes of swifties turned on her with her latest album. Instead of writing another batch of songs about playing high school games with a string of boyfriends at age 36, she is singing about being attracted to her man and settling down. To western women, having children might as well be chattel slavery. If they whine about maternity leave, or cost of living, they are mostly being dishonest. A majority of women are still having plenty of sex with a minority of men. It's a majority of men that have now become sexless and extraneous in this new sexual landscape in which sex and relationships are a commodity.
>>522099273This is just gaslighting. Earlier generations did not have women in the work force. Inflation and cost of housing completely went out of hand when women entered the workforce in the 60s and 70s.
>>522099291>>522099273The baby boomers were from a baby boom, it was a historical anomaly on a downward trend that's been happening since the industrial revolution. Hell, France had tanked fertility rates as early as the early 18th century.
>>522099271why do people act like low birth rates are a problem? the world doesn't need more midwits and useless eaters consooming with 0 valuable output.
>>522099275No, women are in the workforce because HR hires women. Most women in the workforce are unmarried.
>>522099276Poland's tfr is a whole 1.0 below that lol
>>522099294are you purposely being dumb ?
>>522099271The soyboy on the bottom answered the question, he should have joined the army instead he's a bum
>>522099291>Earlier generations did not have women in the work force. Yes both in medieval and industrial eras, the children also worked, everyone workedYou're norwegian you should know how crucial women are in the fishing industry
>>522099271I dont have kids because im incel. I don't know why normies dont have kids tbhdesu. yeah life is hard but it was always hard. >>522099272Explain israhell
>>522099292Not saying the baby boom wasn’t its own kind of exception, but even my working class great grand father was able to buy the family farm at age 24 and start a family twice (his first wife died, so he got a new wife and new set of kids with her). Now it’s the expectation that you need a double income to even afford a home, and of course when women are working they don’t have time to raise kids so that too gets delayed.
>Online discussionIt turned out you were just talking to either NEETs or Indians
>>522099292>FranceThey were always known to be degenerates. How did the degeneracy spread
>>522099298They worked at home / close to home and only for a few hours at the time. And also the larger family units were around to take part in raising the kids. The «spending more than a third of your day toiling away for a a wage» didn’t happen until after the Industrial Revolution.
>>522099271people don't have sex because guys don't make enough money and women won't settle for a guy when they can use an app and be in chad's harem>>522099275you can't sustain a family on a single income due to women being in the workforce
>>522099292I think the decline before was understandable, with the great depression and wars, after ww2 ended the world became somewhat stable and people started to have children again.Now the economy isn't great but still manageable, but it would mean, leaving hypergamy behind, working as a team and making sacrifices in order to raise a family, but many people don't want that, so they scapegoat le heckin' economy, when in reality life has never been easy but they still managed.
>>522099301Shut up sex tourist.
>it's another /int/ tries to unpack a nuanced problem episode
Firsties are not having kids because even the poorest families are expected to spend quite a bit for their wellbeing like education and nutrition. It's not like the good old days when you could have had shitloads of them and sent them to work in the fields or factories once they turned 5. At the same time we're not making enough money for dual income families to hire nannies to care for them all day.Normies have it bad
>>522099271Yes. Great grandma had enough money to raise fifteen kids while living on a rented bathroom in the 30s?
faggot mod who move the spam to /pol/ you don't hate them enough
shitskinflation
>>522099273Hello. I just wanted to post and inform you that, having read your post and the posts replying to it as an outside, dispassionate third party, I am of the informed opinion that you were proven wrong and lost the argument to >>522099291In the future please be more accurate and truthful with your posts.
>>522099271Both are wrong, the true reason birthrates are falling in any developed and semi-developed country is birth control pills. Women who are chemically castrated don’t have children. It’s that simple.
>>522099280All that "life" will dry up when her youth is gone. You don't see 45yo people wasting their time out clubbing and riding boats getting drunk.As an older guy, I don't envy any of that shit. Seen it, done it.Also, she has no idea, but that whole thing is just one big mating ritual. Men throw those parties to fuck girls like her. She thinks it's fun, and doesn't think about it any harder than that. But her biology is telling her to go rub elbows with high value men.Too bad her biology didn't give her a better body/face.
>>522099282you will never be a real woman, fake womb will never happen, you will always be an ugly gay man
>>522099271>10sqft personal spacejeets have even less and they breed like rabbits. Try again, poindexter.
>>522099290underratedThere will always be enough Chads to father every thot's childEvery thot will have a panic child as the wall approaches at supersonic speed4 in 5 men will not father a child whether they want to or not
>>522099271Get rekt gangstalking faggots
>>522099298Objective fact that women were barred from many professions and historically worked either at home or close to home, where they could care for children. All these problems with birth rates can be traced to the expansion of women's rights and lower infant mortality caused by industrialization (people do not have excess children now due to low infant/childhood death rates). Women have worked as laborers, but frequently in positions that reinforced the fact that they are mothers and caretakers at the end of the day.
>create beybeh>9 months for 1 life>murder enemies>16 hours a day, 5 days a week for as many as you can manage excluding sleep and weekends
>>522099272Simple as
>>522099271Well, at least it's not as bad as it once was on here. Back in the day on /pol/ we would have threads about this every 10 minutes and it would be a MASSIVE tradcuck circlejerk where everyone worships women and complains about "men these days" and how awful they are. Eventually that calmed down and now you can mention other factors without people having psychotic meltdowns at you.
>>522099271The question then becomes 'Why is it like this when it was not in the past?'The answer is not that rich people are evil and greedy. They are certainly not more evil and greedy today than they were in the good old days.The real answer is painful and it is that we are very deep into diminishing returns territory regarding technification and complexity. We have been tightening the belt slowly but surely for about 50 years and here we are. There is no way out of this. Technophiles will lather themselves with copium over AI or nuclear fusion or seaweed farming or whatever the fuck but the real truth is that this form of civilization has played out and it is beginning to unspool. This is not a bad thing.
>>>/int/217035436Thank you, Mr. Morris.
>>522101275>tc idle timeI see what you're getting at.
>>522099273'Older generations' existed in a world where children were nearly always a net benefit. Especially for rural people whose children took after them in old age, inherited the farm, helped out when they were young. Urbanization and industrialization work against that. We now exist in a world where there is basically no positive RoI on having children (economically speaking). This is what happens when you move from a world powered by muscle and living things to one powered by mineral fuels and machines. People don't have children now because a sober analysis reveals it is not worth it except for sentimental reasons. In the past people HAD TO have children or their old age was likely a wretched misery.
>>522099272It's ackshully college.They should be looking to get pregnant at 18-20.Instead they go 4 years college, try to "establish" themselves with muh career.Women always worked.But it was always transient and never needed constant upkeep and retarded qualifications.Also it was actual work.
>>522099271The reason for abysmal birthrates is partially the economy but most importantly, the social dynamics between both genders. Women only want to have fun and ride the cock carousel or waste their best years pursuing a career with zero responsibilities and sacrifices. They can afford to be picky because countless simps inflate their ego to hazardous levels so even the fattest, ugliest spawn believes she's a diva deserving of Chad. I'm willing to bet my left nut that even if housing prices were fixed, your average woman would still refuse to marry and have children because it's too much of a burden.
Males became doctors and married female nurses, now women are doctors but they dont marry male nurses. This is basically it, you can extrapolate it from here.
>>522099271It's literally just the fact that contraception exists.All of the other excuses are fucking nonsense.If women are forced to have kids when they have sex, they will have kids. Otherwise they choose not to.
>>522099271Being a sergeant isn't exactly "zero qualifications" precisely
>>522101885This post sounds like something right out of a manosphere blog from a decade ago and I'm loving it.>>522101865What is your take on conservacucks like Trump and Orban trying to increase birth rates through incentives like increased fertility funding, tax breaks and bonuses etc? It has had absolutely no positive effect and nobody at this point can figure out how to raise the birth rates, aside from forcing guys to pay bachelor taxes or a draft.
>>522099275You got it exactly backwards. Women flooded into the workforce decades ago and lowered the value of labor. Now look at pic related. Yeah that's are greatest living Senator Elizabeth Warren. After push push pushing women into the workforce for decades, now they say it's a "trap" because when one spouse loses a job, family finances collapse because a single job doesn't pay enough.These two COMPLETELY MISS the cause & effect of a workforce rapidly swollen with millions of new workers.
>>522099271The biggest correlation is womens education. I dont care either way. Less people on the worls might be better for all i know.
>>522102027>This post sounds like something right out of a manosphere blog from a decade ago and I'm loving it.Sounds like a backhanded compliment because the manosphere 10 years ago was just as garbage as it is today and they put all the blame on women, whereas men and debauchery also share the guilt in this mess, imho.
>>522102409I can assure you it's not a backhanded compliment. Guys do share blame too, but meek guys in basements playing video games aren't the problem, it's Chad and guys like that. Tradcucks have a fantasy where if all guys just manned up then everything would be solved, that not only isn't possible but it doesn't even work like that.
>>522099271living and housing costs will keep going up as long as you keep flooding the country with migrants
>>522099276population growth is the product of many complex systems. There are going to be multiple, compounding reasons that eventually are found as responsible for the birth rate crisis.A man being unable to afford a house and the cost of raising a family might not cure the issue entirely, but it has to be a significant part of the problem.
>>522099272Who adjusted wages and rent to account for them?
>>522101640I dislike to be born in a time of decline. Spengler was complaining in the 1920/30's and fair enough Germany was kind of a shithole after WW1 and the world didnt really take off after WW2 but right now its also not that good. Its scary how the time almost matches 100 years later. Maybe its very ciclical and we will get lots of progress in the 2040/50's or something. Im young enough yo get there at least if nothing bad happens, Sunday went to the funeral of a 46 year old who got atropelated by a car.
>>522099272No its because women want ti be whores in their egg rich years then play mommy when they are empty cartons.
>>522099271I find it hilarious because nobody in 10-20 years is going to be able to collect pensions because the model here was based on a TFR of 3.6 and life expectancy of 71. TFR now is 1.21 and people are living into their 80's.>inb4 more jeets7/11 and petro can employees aren't the ones who keep this shithole going lmaoPress X to accelerate the collapse of cucknadia
>>522103132You know what's weird? I remember in the late Obama era and in Trump's first term, the media in western countries would go on about how young the demographics are of all the nations. How the future is for young people etc. I have asked people about this and only a couple remember, most don't. Why did that talking point vanish? Now everyone freaks out about low birth rates and an 'aging population'.I've asked this before on here and nobody responses. Now I understand that a young population doesn't mean much if nobody is breeding - but it's like the media flipped the script completely in a very short time.
>>522102918>atropelatedI have never heard this word before except in portuguese.
>>522102520>Guys do share blame too, but meek guys in basements playing video games aren't the problem, it's Chad and guys like that.Yeah the meek guys are just invisible. I agree that debauchery (i.e. Chad and other men deflowering and tricking women into sex) are part of the problem too. I won't lie though, I don't know what's the solution and I do believe fertility rates won't improve for the next 100 years or so. Tradcuckery isn't coming back and no one's going to convince modern women to sacrifice their careers, the attention from countless simps, and Chad's dick to build a family. Nowadays that's seen as disgusting or outright humiliating for women
>>522099272It makes sense if you view workers as a product (which is what most jobs are). Demand for jobs goes up, supply of jobs stays the same. The salaries of jobs can therefore decrease and there will still be plenty of candidates. Anything like this can be viewed through the lens of capitalism, such as the woke pandering of companies, which was a savvy move designed to entice new, young customers
>>522103411>100 years or so.>Tradcuckery isn't coming backBro, in a 100 years, 90% of people will come from the trad baby makers of today. Antinatalists, like fags, always have to recruit into their cult.
>>522103918>a woman has her fun with numerous Chads and then settles down with some guy in her 30s as planned>they have one, MAYBE two kids>this is somehow 'trad' to trad larpers even though these people live entirely modern lifestyles and they are what would barely be considered normal 30 years agosure
>>522103918I think by then 90% of people will come from artificial wombs. Hell if I had the resources I'd just rent a womb and be done with it. I'm demoralized with the rampant hyper individualistic, anti-natalist worldview women share nowadays and how skewed the social dynamics between both genders have become. I come from breaking off a relationship with a MENA (LOL) girl because she got throughly brainwashed into pursuing a career and never emotionally matured enough to realize how much I did love her, and how much I did want to start a family in the future, with her now that we were both moving out of our countries (LMAO this shit sounds so ridiculous when I read it, I was such a fucking fool). 100 years from now kids are going to descend from former OF-born again christwhores, or artificial wombs, but tradcuckery in itself will be long gone, and the few women giving birth will do it out of transactional need or pure desperation
>>522099271people have plenty of sex. I have wife and a side chickThe problem is men born before 1998 are cowards. They dont approach. Dont engage. they are grossed out easily by stupid shit.
>>522104869Hello nigger
>>522099271I don't think it's mainly because of poverty. It's because people can't meet. Used to be grandpa would go square dancing or say hello to a cute girl at the grocery, and so she became grandma. Now she doesn't swipe right on an average looking guy's photo and instead goes for the chad, who pumps and dumps her and at 40 she's not mom, let alone grandma, but a catlady.
>>522099275one income cannot sustain a family anymore because Women are in the workforce. Leaf fucking shits and leftists of all stripes constantly winge and complain about muh exploitative corporationirinos while being their only and most ardent defenders. Wage suppression and union busting is waged through dilution of the labor pool, IE your girlboss in a mini and ranjeet the highly skilled 7/11 human capital sar. You'd think after Brazilians destroyed your hekkin tim hortons you'd realize everything you've been told to believe is a fucking lie to exploit you.
>>522099271They still call you racist for pointing out the entire plan was to replace demographics going back all the way to the 80s. It has a lot less to do with money and a lot more to do with how they broke your communities so you'll be isolated and weak.
>>522099272Iran and Israel?
>>522099271this faggot was going to school till he was 27. no wonder he is a loser and a bitch. i assume he also lives in some faggy extra expensive city.i live in a 10x30 shed converted into a home on 3 acre atop a mountain surrounded by forest. got 50k in the bank, a common law wife, and child.this loser thinks he needs to be a millionaire earning 200k a year in order to produce a child. children are NOT expensive in anyway shape or form. people spend just as much if not more on their pets.
>>522104274That is not trad,. 99.9% of women are sluts. Somewhere in the mountains, a based guy went to touch ass and grass and got off the internet and raised a trad girl. Maybe amish over there. There are a couple tradgirls being raised in br, I know some families with 10 kids. And in (your) time table of 100 years, all it takes is a few of them.>>522104753The world is not the internet, bro. There are pockets of real people out there disconnected just pumping babies. You won't see them online. You won't see them on the streets either, because they're fucking hiding. But they're outbreeding feminists. Dunno if they can outbree niggers jeets.
>>522099275Sometimes I forget not all of you are trolling
>>522099272Not true. Women have always worked. It s the access to contraception because the vast majority of children are UNWANTED, you were a mistake anon, and if you mom could have ditched you in the toilet, she would have. She was just too lazy and it was too late for the easy way.
>>522102027>What is your take on conservacucks like Trump and Orban trying to increase birth rates through incentives like increased fertility funding, tax breaks and bonuses etc? It has had absolutely no positive effect and nobody at this point can figure out how to raise the birth rates, aside from forcing guys to pay bachelor taxes or a draft.I think it is like a man trying to hold back the tide with only his hands. We have created a society which is fundamentally anti-human and anti-life. We have indulged in its pleasures and we will be exacted by its miseries.
>>522102027>It has had absolutely no positive effectThey had a positive effect. But as the other guy said. You're trying to stop a ship full of holes from sinking by removing water with a bucket.>and nobody at this point can figure out how to raise the birth ratesThe answers are pretty obvious.>remove childless women from higher and perhaps high school education>remove childless women from any government funded jobsThey're just inoperable in a gynocracy.>aside from forcing guys to pay bachelor taxes Would make single men less desirable, making the problem even worse.A spinster tax otoh would probably help.>draftFor women to give birth? Might work somewhat.For men? Would make everything worse.
>>522105799Let's hope you're right because I'm overdosing in black pills as of lately especially with my recent breakup
>>522099271>The reason birth rates are so low is because people don't have sexI see this exact headline on normie facebook pages at least once a day.>1pibbidy>"canadian"Yep, it's an indian slide thread. Add your herbs to all fields and ignore the thread.
>>522107020What do you mean they had a positive effect are you joking lmao?>>522107161You should have listened to the people here who warned about MENA women. They are absolutely brutal.
Its just mass immigration first and foremost. Why even bother looking for any other reason? Dramatically increased workforce lowers wages and increased demand for housing raises house prices
>>522107161I'm telling you I know their circles here in br. I'm sure there are some over there in rareflaggot as well, anon. Don't lose hope. stop eating internet blackpills like candy, that's what the kikes want.
>>522107407>What do you mean they had a positive effect are you joking lmao?Actually looking into it they had a better effect than I thought.>20% increase at the beginning over a decade ago>still 10% more than when they beganThis is quite good considering the fact that everyone else has bee only declining this whole time.So yeah, they helped quite a bit.They didn't fix everything, but they are a lot better than nothing.
>>522099280>systematically destroy middle america due to off-shoring>nobody wants to live in middle america anymorefunny that
>>522107407>You should have listened to the people here who warned about MENA women. They're very pretty, in fact I like them more than any other kind of girl, but they are indeed absolutely fucking brutal. Not even a shrink is going to fix this mess I'm in
>>522108021Based on that image you posted, those statistics are absolutely atrocious. I still wonder if you are joking, or maybe you are a MAGA shill trying to defend Trump. Not sure.
>>522099271chud is not happy that he is being shoved in a coffin to live in by retarded boomers. unfortunately he wont do shit about it.there are only rich people and poor people.
>>522099273>just live in shit and send your kids to some brown school where they get raped to deathwere finished. its over.you worshipped these billionaires for so long, youve been replaced by them. dont worship psychopaths or you ned up in hell.>NOO ACKwhat are you going to do about it, retards. youre toast. youre all stupid idiots and youre all absolutely powerless. no one cares if your boomers dad owns 5 mansions.
>>522099271>We need programs and time off to have kidsYes that is why Sweden, Norway, and Denmark have much higher fertility rates than Nigeria and Afghanistan.What would actually increase fertility rates is obvious as shit because it's true in every country with high fertility rates and untrue in countries with low fertility rates>Lower access to education especially for women>Fewer social safety nets>Fewer employment opportunities for womenIf you want more kids don't copy China or Sweden or America, copy Somalia or Afghanistan.
there is no way of talking sense into people because everybody is a psychopath. no one has common sense anymore, its just the insanity that is left.
you cant build a society like this but anglos never learn. count the days that are needed until the last retard goblin anglo is replaced by indians, theyre very much the problem just like boomers.the world is sick of anglos, you do everything wrong and youre proud of it you stupid idiots.>might is rightyoure losers.
your epic contrarianism fuvked you in the ass. guess what, you end up in shit when you do everything wrong, RETARDS. LOL!>no no no we ended up in shit becouze of da joosyoure literal retards
>>522108223I wasn't talking about physicality, I meant their behavior. It is so brutal. You have a chance to learn from this. Or continue you misery and keep being a sand driller. Your choice.
first you fuck everything up then you sit here and cry like bitches. whats the matter with anglos. youre a bunch of narcicistic psychopaths.
>>522099271Bump
This infographic explains why birthrates are decreasing
>>522099271The countries with the least money have the most kids.The people in western countries with the least money have the most kids.Moneyfags can't explain this.
>>522113827They're high time preference slave races
>>522099271It's got fuck all to do with cost of living. The poorest countries have the highest birth rates. Same with the poorest segments of wealthy countries, e.g., beaners for us. It used to be niggers but they got neutered with gibs programs.>>522099272>Birthrates are low due to women being in the workforce.This. The feminist welfare state is self-annihilating without replacement shitskins. And my feeling is they are pushing all this FUD about birthrates to drum up support for that. The normal solution is just to let the boomers spend more money on paying natives higher wages for jobs until they die out, and everything else is self-correcting. No individual citizen should give a fuck about GDP if it's not per-capita. Meanwhile, governments care about absolute tax revenue as their main metric, since their power lies in handing out government bucks as welfare or contracts.
It's a perfect storm of a shitload of reasons.>birth control given out to anyone and everyone for any reason>complete lack of shame regarding promiscuity>women spend their prime birthing years pursuing an education>abortion legalized as a last-ditch effort of birth control>financially less feasible due to economic restraints>women no longer "need" a man to get by>no widespread, societal shame in being single well into your 30s>sexual marketplace is so ridiculously competitive that only Chads get free access to sex and attention from women, any average/below average man that would otherwise get with an average/below average woman is deemed too unattractiveThere's probably more reasons I can't think of off the top of my head, but those are some pretty big ones all happening at the same time.
>>522113820>limited paid family leave>lack of affordable childcareWOMEN ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO FUCKING WORK. THIS SOLVES ALL OF THAT SHIT. We used our ridiculous prosperity to create a shitload of makework, bullshit jobs that provide no service nor create anything for the sole purpose of dividing the workforce and keeping women employed.Women's collective labor has a very limited economic impact or infrastructural impact. The only jobs of any merit I can think off that women overwhelmingly occupy that would impact society to some degree is nursing and teachers. I don't think women, collectively, do ANYTHING else that has even a shred of relevance to the operation of civilization.The reason why the powers that be need women working is also because women are fucking retarded with money. They buy ridiculous amounts of superfluous shit that men would never buy. They are en masse economically illiterate. Now if only men made the money and had authority over how it's spent, they'd be significantly more frugal because men are not as retarded as women, generally, when it comes to money.
>>522099271Womens rights
One major factor also is the simple fact that women never wanted to participate in monogamous society. Average women have never desired average men. The only reason women, en masse, got married and had children was because we fucking forced them to.The second they got their freedom, what did they immediately fight for? The right to kill their own children so they can get creampied by Chad as much as they please. Because that's the only thing they've ever cared or will care about. That's it. They shit tested men into giving them rights, and now they're ruining civilization at such a break-neck speed as if to scream "TAKE OUR RIGHTS AWAY OR THIS IS WHAT YOU GET".You cannot free women from the need of a man, then expect them to just go fuck average men.
>>522114718>The reason why the powers that be need women working is also because women are fucking retarded with money. Women are still retarded with their husband's money too. And more kids = higher consumption. It's to destroy society. Also, a side benefit for them was driving down wages by having a larger labor pool. Ultimately though we know that the kikes in charge don't actually care about output or quality since they hire women and jeets. So it has to be inferred that the main goal has always been destroying traditional societies.
>>522099271>What is t he BEST simple explanation for [societal ill]?Kikes.
>>522114890>They shit tested men into giving them rightsLook into the history of state level referendums on women's voting prior to the 19th. It passed in only like 20 of 48 states and often after badgering the voters with multiple failed referendums. The kikes bought the 19th after turning on their infinite free money hack with the Federal Reserve in 1913. Average dudes aren't to blame for this. We were sold out by the politicians.
In Sydney, the home vacancy rates for rent are 0.9%,So extrapolating, per 1000 homes, 9 are available to live in.This isn't exactly pro family, and salaries are not increasing at the rate of property value increase.The economy is skewed towards property owners, and it "feels" like half the population of Sydney is handing 30 to 40% of their salary over to the other half.It's kinda sick, because gov should design strong incentives for onshore citizen child births and incentives for married woman of child bearing age to benefit by making kids. People are thinking financially and the costs stop being comfortabley manageable.People are pushed away from Catholicism and orthodoxy to be modern, so have lost all religious incentive in troves also.No incentive, financial or religious = no babies.
>>522115146It would be interesting to ponder,Imagine a system where, if a family makes 5 babies, the government will guarantee a free standing "house" to X value, ( not public housing block )That has optional purchase rights by the parents or parents and children In the basis that 5 children ( who aren't all junkies ), will contribute back to the economy over their lifetimes.What do anons think of this proposition? Curious to know.
>>522099271nigger people literally lived in a single store wooden hut with all of their living relatives and had 13 children on average, every coubtry in europe and east asia already tried giving people more welefare for havibg kids and it doesn't increase the birth rates at all.
>>522099271I could afford it but won't be having any since I dont trust women and consider them too whorish to have children with. Too regionally connected with work and friends to do the passport bro shit so I just dont have any.
>>522099271>yeah it's that one thing broRetard alert. How about all that plus>female promiscuity and spread of STDs>gynocentric legal system>girlboss mentality>"it's just your turn" mentality>subhuman infestation that is deadly to you and kidsfeel free to add more
>>522115361See here: >>522114924, and my other posts. Governments do not want (You) having kids. It's part of their plan. They'd rather have malleable shitskins to lord over than deal with white voters who have standards.
>>522115477>more welfare for having kidsbut the retards have no idea the welfare comes from the taxes LMAO
birthrates are not falling just go to any nightlife club or concert and see how packed they are with both sexes, sure mostly guys but still girls are out there LOOKING to fuck and will find some desperate guy to pump kids into her sooner or later after a few trip to these places then the birth cycle continues, op suck a dick
>>522099271Boomers and jews. Happens in other forums, in forocoches (biggest spanish forums) there are a lot of landlords pretending the lower birthrates is because of phones or games or some shit lmaoYeah, the housing prices is a HUGE problem, people can't start any project when they can't live on their own, but apparently you have to feel pity for old farts abusing the system, not young people unable to afford a house to the point you find plenty of couples in their 30s having kids now because they were too poor thanks to rent or mortgage
>>522099272Women would leave their jobs if homes were cheaper. They can't stop working because they are as poor as men
>>522099273Earlier generation had a helpful community, helpful family and cheap homes.
>>522110659>talks shit>gets replaced by another kind of brownit do be liek
>>522113827Those poor countries are helped by ngos and don't have autistic landlords Obviously makelele gets his expensive phone, free food, free clothes, free medicines, can build a house anywhere and their rent are hilariously low. Then sometimes he goes to Europe larping as a refugee, get gibs and comes backSome nigger got 1 millions by larping as 100 different niggers
>>522099271>No you don't understand we need WAY more people! INFINITE PEOPLE actually!>S-Shut the fuck up about 'limited resources' we NEED MORE PEOPLE! LINE MUST GO UP YOU FUCKING GOYS!>What do you mean the population was a fraction it's current amount back in the 1930's? WE NEED MORE PEOPLE! UNDERSTOOD!?>8 billion is too few, 20 billion is too few, a HUNDRED BILLION IS INSUFFICIENT!
Birth rates are too high. They need to go lower. Women must be extinct and replaced with artificial wombs and eggs so we can have an all male population with effective and efficient population size control mechanisms.
>>522115146Govt wanted to replace whites with niggers, but niggers were violent and lazy so now they want pajeets.It's fucking retarded since once you replace whites with jeets world will be pure hell, planes falling everywhere, doctor jeets killing people, etc
>>522115477Those kids could work at an early age and rent was low.
>>522102166Pretty sure women flooded into the work because WW2 opened the floodgates. Once the draft emptied the workforce, guess what the federal government needed to keep money flowing?
>>522099275It never could, and I don't know why people are pretending otherwise.A hundred years ago Mary Phagan had to work at age 13.
>>522116144Men didn't die in the Triange Shirt-Waist company fire.
>>522099279>As if you ever heard a woman articulate anything along the lines that she is going to college/work because she wants to support her future nuclear familyBig if real they work to afford more debt taking on more jew credits crashing the economy and their prospects reverse dowry unless a beta buxx chums up
>>522099271>The reason birth rates are so low is because people don't have sexAre you bluepilled retard? It's normies position to be concerned about supposed lack of sex True redpill is women have more than enough sex to become pregnant. Women just use contraception when having sex, and that is the main reason.
>>522099291>Earlier generations did not have women in the work fo....ACK!
>>522099271>4chan discussion on birth rates>The reason birth rates are so low is because people don't have sexnope, migrants and foreign investors via blackrock etc took all the excess housing. Housing should be getting cheaper aand jobs should be paying more with a lower birth rate, they are not, because of foreigners and international corporations. Ban foreigners from owning property in your nations and ban the same for international corporations or corporations with shares, make them rent everything, zero shell companies allowed.
>>522108021Hungary dud increase the birth rates, but the role of benefits is questionable, as similar increase happened in most ex commue central euro countries at that time. So it is benefit or yust regional thing?
>>522116353>Women just use contraception when having sex, and that is the main reason.TRue, and abortion. I would be a dad ten times over without them. That is not why cost of housing aND STAGNATION OF WAGES IS HAPPENIGN THOGUH.
>>522099273What is it with non Americans thinking their boomer era is the same as ours
>>522099271I now assume all pervasively appearing topics online are written by Indians.So, why are Indians so concerned with people not having kids in the west?
>>522099271>10 sq ft of personal space Get in the fucking pod! Seriously this is the reset and its happening right now. At some point the peasant class needs to organize or like everyone else we get what we fucking deserve.
>>522099271>military sergeant>0 qualificationsWell that's not true. This nigga thinks his book studies in liberal arts qualifies him more than a man given the ability to implement orders with lower ranking soldiers and possibly kill people.
>>522099275demand for workers would be higher if the female half of the population wouldnt be working
>>522099271Finances are a cope. Poor people have always had a bunch of kids throughout human history. People aren't having kids now because they chase entertainment and novelty over traditional human values like dating, marriage and family. Fortunately this narcissistic period will end as the future of humanity will be from people raised in families who consciously rejected this culture to maintain traditional life.
>>522099271>We need to improve cost of living and housing costs so we will be more likely to have childrenBecause it is bullshit, kids aren't that expensive and people have massive disposable money to buy stupider shit than any other point in history. They just pretend they are destitute if they aren't driving a 150K sports care.The cali techies making 300K are the most active opposition to having kids. People have through all of human history had kids through massive famine and war.It isn't because people don't have sex it is because women today do not want to have kids. Even a very large portion of the married ones refuse to have kids. Only exception is being Tyrone's baby mamma because it would be evil and racist to abort a black baby.Women are hive minded and popular perception is that the world is too racist to have kids so this is just a roundabout way of protesting and destroying the country.However men let the well be poisoned by jews so are ultimately to blame for all of this they were lazy and complacent.
>>522099303Imagine unironically believing this. Imagine being such a useless retard you convince yourself it's society's fault because medieval serfs had it better
>>522117385It's not bullshit, retard, you can't expect people will socialize from their fucking pods, youngs people salaries go away in rents
>>522099271Immigration is needful for birth rate.
>>522117277Poor people don't have tonpay excessive rent.
>>522113827>The countries with the least money have the most kids.>The people in western countries with the least money have the most kids.>Moneyfags can't explain this.In poor countries, kids are either cheap labor, dowry investments, or simple lack of contraception and sex ed. Mostly the latter two, though.
>>522116699You now you can just build more houses right?
>>522099280I feel like this but 41 with many White children
>>522099271feminism tricked women into becoming wageslaves. Single largest reason by far.
>>522117535Yep, Mamadou can already work when he is 13. In "rich" countries kids are forced to study way more years.Mamadou can build a basic shitty house anywhere, while in rich countries even the ugliest pod costs 150k at mostAdd the college meme that delayed people adulthood and you have people in their late 20s barely with money saved to afford to START livingMamadou also don't need to pay alimony
>>522099271wont matter, there is no direct correlation with wealth, there are plenty of other factors - ie every woman is fucked in head from hormonal pills and antidepressants and social media, kids from fatherless families dont want kids etc etc
>>522099280>refuses to give pussy to desperate chud manlet simps who worked their whole life for a crumb of her fartsbasedtotal simptard beatdown
>>522099271To have sex you need your own place and transit. That doesn't exist anymore
>>522117556Bureaucracy
>>522102166>These two COMPLETELY MISS the cause & effect of a workforce rapidly swollen with millions of new workers.Their leftist brains don't let them see reality. Civil rights destroyed American cities and Feminism and globalisation destroyed the nuclear family. The possibility that giving people more freedoms might make their lives worse is not subject to discussion.
>>522116699>migrants and foreign investors via blackrock etc took all the excess housing. Housing should be getting cheaper aand jobs should be paying more with a lower birth rateExcept it's the same in countries like mine, where there is pretty much no migration, a monolithic society, no Blackrock etc.
>>522117589>Mamadou also don't need to pay alimonyHe also can get a prime negress because they only obey to natural law. Meanwhile in the West you can get a woman maybe 5 years younger lol
>>522116699This is it. Unfettered capitalism is choking out every corner of the economy and destroying the planet.
>>522099271>low birth rates>threat of nuclear winter>destabilization due to mass immigrationbullshit demoralization no different than scaring boomers with anecdotes of local crime
>>522117786>He also can get a prime negress because they only obey to natural lawNope. She is her father's property. Touch without paying and you will have a Throwing Stones soundtrack.
>>522099271Never in history has 28 to 35 been treated as the primary breeding population birthrate in every single country on earth including Canada the 14 to 21 bracket has double digit per 1000.You can have 4 kids like my partner and I but on paper look like we aren't doing our part because we haven't had any more births since being 25 and 24 respectively the birth rates are intentionally being misrepresented to justify immigration it's never been harder to get an enrollment at a good school Australia is at a point where it lack infrastructure for all the children we have not enough daycare,classe sizes too large/schools not big enough etc but at the same time birthrate is 1.4 people...
>>522117535>>522117589People of faith obey God's first commandment which is to be fruitful and multiply. Also they don't worry about money because they know God provided everything they'll ever need before they were born.Materialists are Satanists and wrong.
>>522099271China fixed the birth rate problem by taxing women without kids 3x during the 5th century or something. Their population grew 2.5x in 100 years after that.
>>522099271The simplest explanation, or the correct explanation? The correct explanation is that we're looking at a transmissible mental illness. It is contagious, passed from person to person, and when someone becomes affected by the contagion they no longer want children. The "why" is a mystery to them, so they make up bullshit that sounds good to explain it to themselves. This contagion can incubate for years... the lesbian kindergarten teacher could have poisoned your kids to not to give you grandchildren, and you won't know until their 28 or so. Some are more resistant than others, but no one has bull immunity. The only effective strategy is quarantine, keep them away from those already affected.If you doubt mental illnesses can be contagious, I implore you to look up teenage suicide clusters, and folie et deux.
>>522099271taxes are all scammed off to pay for israel, blacks, mexicans, and jeets.basically it's been proven time and time again that only whites pay taxes throughout their lives. about 99% of all taxes ever paid across the entire world are paid by white people.it's just a way to scam you and make you own less.
>>522110862Oh trust me, I know after this situation. I learned it the hard way, their behaviour is insane, nuts, brutal, despite their physical attractiveness, that's what I meant. Kind of like latinas but with the craziness turned up a notch or two
>>522099275No, women having their own income and being able to support themselves makes the average Joe infinitely less attractive. It skyrockets women's standards towards men. When women were dependent on men for a good livelyhood they would overlook some minor (or even major flaws) some dude had so they could secure a husband. Now they don't have to do that and most won't settle. So, just being an average dude isn't good enough anymore.
Its not safe to have children, i'll get children when live becames precious again.
>>522119290you have to be mentally ill to birth new humans in this environmentit’s an epidemic
>>522117665a lot of men have those and still get nothingsome men have more than enoughand wont take the bad deal being offered
>>522117277newsflash, a lot of the people currently not having kidswere raised the opposite way, consider what happens to girls during college
>>522099271Let's have a look at the offical, now obsolete (due to 2020's semantic mindfuck of "0% reserve rate") canon of Fractional Reserve Banking. Say, three banks (#1, #2, #3), two "private" actors (A,B) and a reserve rate of 10%, a capital of 100 units of worthless magic paper (WMP) per bank.>A goes to #1, takes out a loan for 90 WMP, brings it to #2.>B goes to 2# takes out a loan for 171 WMP, brings it to #3.>A goes to #3 takes out a loan for 243 WMP, takes it to #1. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.Eventually each bank has infinite capital, virtually no reserve in relation to it, and still continues willing money into existence (at best based on now absolutely skewed and broken projections detached from the real economy). That all doesn't even account for banks issuing loans directly to other banks, let alone for interest -- but I'd find no end cursing out the concept of interest, so I won't start. Everything runs on loans, so everyone pays interest.Whenever money is willed into existence, all money that "existed" (huehuehue) is devalued, and thus all debts and interest increased while nominally they remain unchanged -- your means to pay anything are diminished. You have to quintessentially scam others out of their loans to pay your own debt and interest, whilst somehow sustaining yourself within hyperinflation. You have to continue indefinitely, because there's no limit to how much of nothing one can will into existence.You pay more and more, get less and less, because the money you use is nothing but worthless magic paper. It's not a currency, it's a vacuos commodity. It stands in for nothing and is backed by nothing. Well, nothing but the susceptibility and malleability of the human mind. Legally it's an irredemable liability that you cannot own, only burrow.(cont.)
>>522125020In spite of not even being phsysically printed or digitially generated anymore -- probably not even tabulated at all -- and being only assumed to exist in the past (debt), the present (credit) and the future (interest) in whatever volumes necessary to incentivize, motivate and outright control your behaviour, it is subject supply and demand. Which both are controlled by a private hand -- usury pays sophistry. The only operational cost associated with it is the propaganda and cult programming necessary to maintain the make-believe.While you trade your lifetime, sweat, blood and tears for worthless magic paper and pay interest with your dignity, the people who provide it to you are still bartering with tangible goods, services and above all influence and its derivative: blackmail, just like they have centuries ago. That's why criminals such as child sex-traffickers don't care about monetary compensation or any particular flavor of money used (e.g. "cryptocurrency" which is FIAT 2.0 valued in FIAT 1.0, a sophisticated inflation sink at best), and why these industries have survived every conceivable crisis. (cont.)
>>522125064Meanwhile corporations perpetually float an inch above bankruptcy. They cut corners and wages, wherever and whenever they can, work their employees into a burnout and produce surplus of hyperprocessed nutritional blanks coated in industrial waste, shoddily designed, terminally obsolescent devices destined for a landfill and addictive mystery pharma goo to sell for four-to-five-digit% proft margins and a premium ontop. All just to pay the tiniest fraction of their interest, while whatever is left over is siphoned by the inbred, inept corpocrats to pay for their escapism and their personal debt and interest.>but communism/capitalism!Isn't it curious how all of these "economic theories" will gladly tell you what to do with your resources and how valueable they are in terms of worthless magic paper, but never about who you owe debt or interest to -- who "prints" it for you and demands seigniorage?Banks don't care about any "economic theory" that their debtcattle champion, as long as the debtcattle uses the worthless magic paper to facilitate it and pays interest on their interest.The same banksters dynasties that have financed and organized colonialism (under the guise of "national interests/racial superiority") centuries ago, through their subsidary trading corporations, are financing and organizing reverse colonialism (under the guise of "national inferiority/racial diversity") today, through its media and tech subsidaries and NGOs. All the while they finance every side in every conflict, no matter their alignments and allegiances to a given "economic theory". I digress.(cont.)
>>522125123There really is not much of an economy left, only "communism" at the macro (shuffling resources around the world to keep up the production of garbage feeding the pyramid scheme) and "capitalism" at the micro, which is by and large just a consensus cracking apparatus preaching the good word of "number go up" and [current thing], advertising its merchandize.Imagine if there only existed few, lasting high-quality goods -- how could you maintain the illusion of representation? For every single unit of worthless magic paper there exists a likewise worthless waste of resources on some shelves, in some ramshakle "buisness".Imagine if the economy didn't boil down to selling longterm problems and renting out shortterm solutions (=marginally smaller, metastizing problems) to maximize the generation of debt and interest? For every single unit of worthless magic paper there exists an inflation sink in the form of some venue of social misengineering and botched eugenics (e.g.: gambling, drugs, crypto, video games/MTX, digital daycare-botfarms, ...).Don't get me wrong: banking -- as in the safekeeping and managing of funds -- is not the issue, neither is government. Both are ultimately tools that can be (mis)used for good or bad. It's the usury that breaks both, and the people willing to act against their own best interest. Up until the late 1990s and early 2000s you could take out a loan, return a week later and ask for a detailed papertrail of the funds you've received -- guess how many banks would rather forfeit the loan than produce the papertrail. Banking without an actual national treasury and an independant sovereign (whatever form of governance it may assume) to conceive of and enforce legislation meant to facilitate economy rather than usury, will eventually culminate into Clownworld. It's not even the first time this abominable usury reared its ugly head. The Romans and other empires suffered the same misery at the tailend of their histories.(cont.)
>>522125162Globohomo's origin story:>once upon a time the world has been peaceful and harmonious, then came along a snakeoil merchant>the snakeoil merchant has sent ahead an ostensibly filthy-rich bait to a village>the bait very publically flaunted his shinies and pitched worthless magic paper to the villagers>the villagers sought out the snakeoil merchant, willing to trade their everything for worhless magic paper>a week later, after realizing that its worthless magic paper they couldn't use anywhere else, they returned to the merchant to trade it back>the snakeoil merchant told them that he would be a fool to trade back all the resources for the original prices, as there are so few resources in comparison to the volumes of worthless magic paper now in circulation>villagers involved legal authority which told them to fuck off, because the trades were legal -- the merchant didn't lie, the bait did and the villagers didn't bother asking the merchant or reading the fineprint>the snakeoil merchant showed "mercy" and allowed the villagers to burrow the resources against a fee and interest paid with the worthless magic paper>[fast forward] the village is bankrupt and indebted, everyone's at each other throat having scammed each other out of their worthless magic paper to pay their own fees>the merchant once again showed "mercy" and offered them a deal: if they assume the role of the bait and spread the good word of the worthless magic paper in other villages they'll be allowed to stay in their homes and toil their fields>[fast forward] the merchant is now considered the sovereign, writing the laws and ruling over terminally indebted and blackmailed royality and common folk alike, all the while canonizing the most prolific baits as prophets and whatnot>[fast forward, many fake and gay wars, crisis and cullings later] (You)'re here.(cont.)
>>522125191It's one grand pyramid scheme run by bait-people, who LARP as bureaucrats of incorporated labor camps, for their owners: snakeoil merchants. If you will the "New World Order" is a grift, an extension to the pyramid scheme of globohomo -- there already exists a "World Government" in the form a cabal of figuratively shapeshifting usurers who'll take on any names and faces that serve their mon(-)eyed interests. The commodification of all things is their form of supplication, and Mammon their god. >n-th generation inbred, inept banksters run the world into the ground with their retarded, myopic pyramid scheme: social misengineering, botched eugenics, perpetual proxy war and reckless usury>their terminally propagandized, domesticated and (develop)mentally stunted turbofaggot-hypernigger-debtcattle reaches expiration date (=oversaturation with debt in an farcial false-front of an economic system) and consequently starts to either notice or lose it>banksters panic and initiate pest control, trying to distract and replace old debtcattle with new debtcattle>being terminally propagandized, domesticated and (develop)mentally stunted turbofaggot-hypernigger-debtcattle themselves and overdosing on their own propaganda, the banksters botch it and panic even more>eventually they opt for war and crisis to cull as many as they can to restart the cycleOrdinary debtcattle incurs debt in worthless magic paper, arch-debtcattle incurs technological and civilzational debt.
mexicans and niggers don't use poverty as an excuse.
>>522101950Hit the nail on the head here. People in poor countries have tons of kids so it's got noting to do with people in the West being poorer than ever. It's not an East/West, communist/capitalist divide because even China is having the same issues and 90 of people there own their own home, crime is practically non existent, it's ethnically homogeneous ect. It ultimately comes down to the unintended consequences of making women socially equal to men. The fact is that only men are capable of judging of a female peer is his "equal" or if he's "out of her league". Women are functionally incapable of thinking this way. Every woman thinks she has a lot more to offer than she actually does. Dating site stats back this up. A man can tell you what an average woman looks like, a woman does not know what an average man looks like and in fact believes the above average man to be the average. This is evolutionary psychology in action. Women evolved to be picky. But world we evolved to live in was drastically different to the world we live in now. Women's liberation was a mistake, more or less. Human social dynamics fall apart the moment we let women do whatever the fuck they want, whenever the fuck they want.
>>522099271Reduced clerk jobs by 75 percent, no more Jew daycare where woman do nothing except try to score with the CEO. Destroy all social media, so no more posting thirst traps, no more travel vlogs, no more dating apps, no more unrealistic expectations. Also reduced migration and watch the birthrates go up.
The reason I am not having children is because the job market is fucked and there are no options if you have no connections. If you don't come from a rich family and if you don't have connections you will never be a doctor or a lawyer or work in some big company. You are just kind of fucked, all you can do is work manual labor or go into trades. Neither pay anything unless you are once again well connected and can work for a company where you will get a bigger cut.The jobs you have access to are paid just enough that you can scrape by living alone. You don't have time for women and even if you did have time for women it's just embarrassing to not have disposable income. I don't want to pay for some woman's meals or take her places. Where would I hang out with a woman? My parent's basement? Or do I rent some 1 room apartment and take her there? She'll be so impressed.There is just nothing to look forward to. I will never get out of living paycheck to paycheck. There is nothing I can do about it. It also doesn't help that women have all these useless well paid jobs. They have money to travel, to have their own house, expensive cars, because they work in some office where they are hired just because they are women.
>>522099271its women.I am a millionaire I work very little in an enjoyable low stress job, women cant understand this and think I'm a loser. If by chance they don't the options i have are >single motherI'm not rasing another man's child>affected womenthe kind that want to travel and post the food they get from some overpriced restaurant online or they want you to have "ambition" and "emotional intelligence">women who don't want childrenI was speaking with a lovely woman who i was quite taken with she didn't have a great body but that isn't important to me in the long run she had a good face. she told me she didn't want children because it would ruin her body. Its was such a weak excuse because if she actually cared about her body she wouldn't be overweight. it was at that point i realised as my first thought was "that' not going to make you look any worse" that i am too terminally online and have been single too long to understand the modern woman. I sometimes meet older women for sex and companionship and i can get along and enjoy their company with easy conversations i find it difficult to replicate that with women my own age they all seem tremendously arrogant.
>>522099271Usury.Fiat.Central banking.Fractional reserve banking.End them.
>>522099271economy smcheconomy blah blah blah. yes the shit wages and everything being unaffordable doesn't help, but the bottom line is that women just dont want to breed. try to understand that even when the economy was doing ok we were below replacement. WOMEN DO NOT WANT TO BREED. if you give them liberty they stop having babies. that's all there is to it.
>>522099288>>522099287Birthrates in those areas have been falling as well, you don’t get it
>>522125275Birthrates are falling in the poorest most backward countries
>>522099271Because cost of living is not the real reason even if it contributes.People have tons of kids just fine in worse conditionsThese people are too infected by Liberal ideology to see the wider issue which is cultural.
>>522099271>the reason for low birthrates are materialBULLSHIT. Embrace christ and creampie your wives
>>522099275Without immigration and without women working en masse labour would be more valuable.Also the money women bring in to a family is offset by the costs of having to pay for childcare and ordering food/buying ready made meals insteat of cooking at home.if the couple doesn’t have children what are their expenses anyway? Before my wife and I got married but when we were living together we barely had any expenses and just saved like all of our paychecks to invest in Gold and crypto.Now she stays at home and I work only so we don’t save as much anymore but I still cover all the expenses easily with enough left over.Maybe watch Caleb Hammer and see how braindead the average millenial/GenZ couple is with money.
>>522099271>sergeant's salaryCop or Soldier?Either way they earn a lot.This absolute fucking retard doesnt understand the life his granddad built, nor can he grasp that he has access to the same opportunity his dad has.He's a glasses wearing sõyboy chugging cück pussy and he got scammed into a worthless 4 year degree.Not my fucking problem.Not your fucking problem.
>>522099271>What is the BEST simple explanation for why no one in the developed world is having kids?Feminism romanticizes being single and childless.
>>522099271>Why are 4channlers so disconnected from the outside world ?highest birth rates are in asia, africa and middle eastthe fags there can't afford a tea spoon, not to speak of a house.if you were given more wealth it would only push you further away from procreating, just as the wealth you already have did.
>>522099271why are standards of living going down the more you fight the poverty you socialist retard?
It's easier to play vidya, buy slop and have peace than wear yourself down with non-stop self-improovement so you can compete with other men for chad's sloppy 10ths, who are also entitled, will cheat, be permanently unhappy and want you to spend insane amounts on goy bling to keep up with the other retards.
Animals in captivity don't breed either.
>sole different factor = womens choiceWomen dont want them, simple asTo argue anything else is to PRESUME that women are selfless angels who heckin love changing diapers and being at home 24-7. Turns out they dont, sorry mamas boi cuck nigger
A lot of 4channers are boomers and fags who want to deny the fact it's lack of money that prevents people from having families, whether that be owning a house or paying for kids or impressing a woman with your salary. Because this would mean it's the fault of boomers.
>>522102409>>522107020>>522102027>bachelor taxLmaoRemember kids- only manosphere guys blame women, always blame them men who are being discriminated agianst constantly- surely that's the way!
>>522099916>As an older guy, I don't envy any of that shit. Seen it, done it.Most guys here haven't done it. This is another factor in the failed conservacuck puzzle- I'm not gonna settle down with old roasties if I didn't get to have fun when I was 25. I'll just be the dirty old 44yo banging 18yo thai chicks.
>>522130850This is fundamental aspect of male-female relationships that most people don't understand and it's why the future is completely fucked beyond repair. Female value and male sexual desire decreases over time. Spurned young men become old socially distant hermits and Overly sexual young women become desperate lonely cat ladies.There is a false assumption of "alpha fucks and beta bucks" but it's wrong. The beta bucks doesn't exist. Those "beta" men are often not in the market because they've accepted their undesirability and became accustomed to the loneliness.
>>522132532>There is a false assumption of "alpha fucks and beta bucks" "Alpha fux, Beta bux" is true. Alpha males are masculine males. Beta males are feminine males. >"Alpha fux" Women naturally desire masculine men ("Alpha males"), but masculine men are not compatible with Feminist morality. So he's the "bad boy", the one night stand guy. >"Beta bux"Women are naturally repulsed by feminine men ("Beta Males"), but feminine men are compatible with Feminist morality. So he's the "nice guy", the guy she "settles" with, the guy who gets to be the married pay-pig, she has no respect for, and isn't physically attracted to.
>>522133493Just like a women, you completely ignored why it isn't true. You are assuming that "beta" men are sitting on their hands and knees after being rejected or ignored for years in desperation.This just isn't what happens. These "beta" men often just accept their lot in life and become insular. They stop trying. They aren't in the market anymore. They do not actively seek female companionship. They are no longer obtainable for women. The reason's why are simple, their experiences with women are often horrible (tons of rejection, being strung along, seen as unattractive, cheated on) or alternatively have non existent relationships with women. Which combined with age naturally decreasing sexual desire, these men stop desiring women.
>>522135112>You are assuming that "beta" men are sitting on their hands and knees after being rejected or ignored for years in desperation.I didn't assume that, care to explain why you think that? >This just isn't what happens. You're arguing points I didn't make. >beta" men don't actively seek female companionshipIncorrect. "Beta males" CRAVE female attention, they're the desperate men who will do anything for women. It's "Alpha males" who are capable of living a life for themselves, as opposed to having their sense of self-worth based on female attention and approval. "Beta males" desire a female leader they can support. "Alpha males" are their own leader. >The reason's why are simple, their experiences with women are often horrible (tons of rejection, being strung along, seen as unattractive, cheated on) or alternatively have non existent relationships with women. Which combined with age naturally decreasing sexual desire, these men stop desiring women.Incorrect. Tons of rejection destroys the willingness to approach women, not sexual desire itself.
>>522136274>I didn't assume that, care to explain why you think that? Well for one, you basically just said it right here.> "Beta males" CRAVE female attention, they're the desperate men who will do anything for women.Regardless, the basic premise is that women go for the beta after they've had sex with multiple alphas. Which implies that the beta is just sitting on the sidelines being ignored or rejected until it's "his turn"."Alpha" in this context doesn't relate to actual behaviour. It relates to female desire. "Alpha" is high male virility (physically strong, tall, attractive, assertive, often aggressive) vs low male virility (physically weak, small, unattractive, quiet, calm). These do not indicate either how desperate they are nor how much of a leader they are. They only indicate perceived value to a women through outward appearance and not actual behaviour.>Tons of rejection destroys the willingness to approach women, not sexual desire itself.Reread what I wrote. I did not attribute rejection to decreased sexual desire. I attributed age to decreased sexual desire. The "these men stop desiring women." part refers not to sexual desire, but total desire which includes both sexual desire, but also social desires (loneliness, social standing, family desire).
>>522099272Remove them from the workforce and wages won't go up.To make wages go up, you have to make them go up.
I did my part I actually have kidsGo get to fucking
>>522099271When Nixon ended the Gold Standard/thread
>>522099304>women won't settle for a guy when they can use an app and be in chad's haremSimple as.
>>522099272this. imagine having to go to work, do most of the chores and then be expected to have time and energy for kids aswell. it's not realistic.
Kids are not actually that expensiveGo get fucking
>>522099271It doesn't matter in a few year artificial wombs will be mainstream and you can grow a army how you see fit
i have no idea how to avoid raising a serial killer>>522099271
>>522099271My father didnt even finish 9th grade and learned a trade that had a decent salary my mother was a music teacher that worked for 20hours a week. They could afford a house all that shit and more (well grandma and grandaddy sponsored quite a bit). Probably today you need to be some rocket scientist to have that.
>>522099891
>>522140828Step one actually be present and don't put them in daycare or let a crazy woman be around them
>>522105442Modern women's material expectations are far too high. Compare women's expectations now to when people lived multi-generationally. It's night & day. Modern women are spoiled bitches. They aren't 1/10th of the women their predecessors were, the same way they complain about men. Women refuse to grow up now and want to remain coddled children/teengers in perpetuity.
>>522124976being raised non-religious with a 47% chance your parents are divorced is not a traditional home. Also there is far less social pressure now to have children so the couples that still do will holistically value traditional values more than others
>>522099271The pill.Abortions to a degree as well, but mainly the pill. That is the unfortunate truth. Even places like Iran that are super religious have declining birthrates once most ppl are wealthy enough to afford it. The only populations that grow that do not suffer from extreme, extreme pverty and non availability of Meds are such that oppose it for religious reasons.
>>522103918>Antinatalists>LGBTQLmao around half of the trans people I know are in relationships with a bi wife and have a kid. That includes me and I've got to say I find it hilarious that my tranny ass was able to marry, procreate and save enough money for my wife to be a stay at home for 2 years. Im on my way to 4 years of hormones with a 3 year old daughter that has only known me as momWhat the fuck incels? I thought I was supposed to be some dysgenic dead genetic end loser but here I am being more successful on an evolutionary level.I've been on 4chan since 06 so I mostly just lurk around the site to get a few chuckles. I'm not sure what about incel threads makes me post but I can't help but cackle at you sad sacks. I used to have a few incel friends until I set them up. Sure they lost their vcards but they kept the incel mindset and now that I'm not there to keep them socialized they are right back to being losers, now they larp as trad Christians whereas when we were friends they were reddit atheists debate bro libertarians
>>522141649It's not just about procreation, you're still a dysgenic loser. Your whole family will be sacrificed at the altar of satanic globohomo, and it will all be your doing.
>>522099275because women were allowed to enter the workforce
>>522141649>has 1 kid>thinks he's winning the 100 year time frame
