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New tiktok truths are dropping and we have an approaching epidemic now. As men, how are we going to fix this? Why aren't you approaching all these available and ready to date women?
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>>524054942
>I've just crossed the border from tits to fugly please ask me out
no
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>>524054942
>we spent more than a decade demonizing you and calling you all creeps
>noooo why aren't you approaching us anymore?

They really are that stupid, aren't they?
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She's fat.
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>>524055068
Yup. They voted for it and chose the bear. It's your bed ladies, now you get to sleep in it.
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>>524054942
Last time i asked a women for her number it was 2017. Then i got into a couple fights with homeless people and had weapons pointed at me. Women just seemed like a waste of time after that.

Unless I'm carrying a weapon with the authority to kill I just don't feel secure in perusing a women.

Sorry bitch ur society is gay. Don't have any other words for it. Nice tits tho.
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>>524054942
>I dont watch porn
>I dont want a wife or kids
>I dont interact with women
>I dont think about or look at women unless its completely unavoidable
Just put women out of your sight and mind, and you will be free. They exist to enslave you, mentally physically and emotionally. The winning move is to not play.
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>>524054942
Well for starters I currently have a girlfriend so I’m not looking to add another retarded woman into the mix, one is enough retardation, even the good ones are retarded. Secondly, out of all the times I have ever approached a woman to ask her out only one ever went on a date with me so I stopped putting that kind of effort into it. Now I just wait until I come across women that are so obviously attracted to me that they become retarded in my presence.
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>>524054942
She's not talking about me
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>>524054942
>20 year old telling people what it was like in the 90's.
Fuck outta here, what would you know?
She's right, but it doesnt make it any less irritating.
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>>524055068
They still blame men lol
It'll never end
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>>524054942

Spamming jews everywhere in everything will definitely help your cause, stupid fucking jews - keep it uP!!!
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>>524054942
>chicken hands
>zoomer acting like she know how is used to be
>asks men instead of looking in the mirror
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>>524054942
Because they are all overweight cows, even before having kids and vaxxed to the gills therefore toxic breeding grounds.
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>>524054942
Dating a white woman is cringe. Are you illiterate? Did you miss all the “fuck white men” articles everywhere? Meanwhile Asians actually like us and want us around
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>>524055156
You forgot to add alone to the end of your last sentence.
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Check her TikTok in 12 moths. I’m predicting massive weight gain in this specimen.
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Yeah let me beg this piggie to date me so she can roast me in front of her friends. Then eventually give me the time of day after her humiliation ritual and basically begging for a fraction of her time. To allow her to boss me around my own house and complain about every aspect of my personality. Na
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>>524055544
Don’t forget having to give up your hobbies and watch her stupid fucking “reality” shows with her
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>>524055215
Stop hitting on homeless women
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>>524055217
100% true wisdom right there. Sad that it took me so long to realise it.
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>>524054942
>approach women
NOO YOU CANT DO THAT
>dont approach women
NOO YOU CANT DO THAT

total foid death cant come soon enough
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>>524054942
Why is she covering up all that fat? She's clearly a fat fatty full of cellulite and fat.
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>>524054942
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>>524054942
The thing doesn't matter to me, I don't approach women
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chad only
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>>524054942
>Spend the last three decades screeching about catcalling and toxic masculinity and no means no and metooing

Why don't men do thing?
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>>524054942
I could and have before, but the chance she is a good modest girl is so low. She is usually a feminist with a bodycount over 10 now, disgusting. Women shouldnt vote.
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>>524054942
She only wants 8's to 10's to approach her.
She's not interested in settling.
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>>524055502
LMAO. Thank you so much for this reply. This may have had my day.
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>>524054942
Did these bitches forget about their little #metoo fiasco?

Men certainly didn't.
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>>524054942

Didn't tiktok get boughtfrom the chinese because they might brainwash the youth with it, and is now jew owned who will definitely brainwash the youth with it?
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>>524055399
Yes goy those articles written by our talented jewish writers absolutely represent all of your White Women. Trust us goy, date asians hate your own women.

Your retarded.

Also Asian women give me an uncanny valley vibe if I look at their face close or too long. Ill stick to nice White girls thank you very much.
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>>524055217
Getting older helps to ignore women. And becoming so beaten down emotionally over the years from various experiences and relationships with women. Modern women are atrocious. My generation's females are fucking psychotic nightmare people who all truly believe in their hearts they deserve to live like millionaire princesses and all of their whims and desires will come true. An spell cast over an entire generation and they have all gone completely insane from it over the decades.
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>>524055844
from her perspective she'd be happy to be approached by what she would consider a 5 to 7

but a 5 or 7 according to her is an 8-10 objectively

which means even if she lands an 8, her looksmatch, she won't be entirely happy and will see him as a 5
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>>524055683
Big boobs though.
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>>524055217
Its all fun and games until forced conversions start.
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>>524055361
What's up with the chicken hands? What does it mean?
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>>524055502
She's already fat as fuck my dude
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>>524056313
go back to Bihar, Bablu Yadav.
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>>524054942
Because they are all fat, obnoxious cunts, and too run-through for my taste.
If I met a woman I actually want to be around, I'd ask her out. That hasn't happened in quite a while though.
If I'm not talking to someone then it's not because I am intimidated or fearful or anything, it's because I do not want to talk to them.
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>>524054942
>when you're so fat that even your vanity angle adds pounds through the camera
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>>524054942
You bitch. You stupid fucking bitch
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>>524054942
1pbtid
>as men
Fuck you tranny. Sage. This place is shit
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>>524055217
Yeah, I'm starting to feel the same way.
90% of the "necessary" chores and troubles in your life just disappear if you stop giving a shit about women.
They just cause a shitload of work, and modern women do not really have anything they could offer in return for that.
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>>524054942
No hymen no diamond.

The great roastening is approaching, hold on to your butts and get ready to expatriate wherever you can.
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>>524055068
Some of these girls grew up in it.
If they're 20 now, they were 10 then, and the demonisation of men didn't start that recently.
The SJWs of 2013 were educated to be that way, and I distinctly remember teachers in primary school reinforcing a double standard back in 2005 and earlier.

It's possible that they legitimately don't know, due to the Jewish nature of their miseducation.
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>>524054942
Out of desperation i did start approaching some women, and generally noone took any issue or offense. I asked those that didmt seem busy, sitting in the park or walking the dog or something, if i may invite them to smoke one with me. Now most declined, but always polite.
One invited me home after 5 minutes of talking, while telling me a buddy is at her home because some ex stalks her, amd yet here she invites the next stranger from the park offering her drugs to her home. Though i thought we got along well, her even asking if i want to come and visit her parents (declining since i was busy too that day) i gave her my number amd never heard from her.
Another also after 10 minutes asked if i want to come home with her, i escorted her bit didnt went in (was my first try so i was a bit shocked she is so careless with wjo she brings home. This bitch then however ghosted me to then asked every few weeks for some bullshit amd telling me how sorry she is whenever i run across her. Would have rather skipped this one.
Another one i got to talk to, but at the third meeting she casually drops she has a boyfriend, but we still get along we and meet up.
2 turned out to be too young, zoomettes, but we occasionally meet and just talk as well.
another i met twice, she asled if im here again tomorrow, i said i dont know and offered to give her my number, she gabe me hers, later then i messaged her so she has mine, amd when i wanted to ask if she wants to meet up again 2 days later i was blocked.

So basically just try your luck, the worst was really the ome bitch actually agreeing, and no harm done
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>>524054942
>BIRD HANDS
BIRD HANDS
>BIRD HANDS
BIRD HANDS
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>>524056313
the aggressive pointing they do with their closed fingers.
just unconscious body language that gives their view on the men they talk about away.
if someone politely said they only want to know the time, but aggressively invaded your personal space while doing so, you'd know what they say is bullshit and they have other intentions.

same with women who pretend they are only asking a question out of curiosity and would like you to give and answer, but at the same time do this aggressive gesticulating. they are not asking you a question, they are demanding that you justify yourself.
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>>524056640
Ty Germanon, insightful breakdown
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>>524054942
I want to poonch womens in their pissers
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>>524054942
>dont get what you want
>complain
>get what you want
>complain
>exist
>complain
its so tiresome bros
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>>524054942
Drop this titcow's ig handle please and thank you.
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>>524054942
i forget to save that funny video where one man asked for a phone number to several woman and all of them said they had a bf already :I
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>>524055124
this.. leave fat white women for the negros
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If she is constantly doing sassy hand gestures like that, she is almost certainly a "I'M A QUEEN AND NOBODY DESERVES MY EXCELLENCE" type of woman, and she only wants men to ask her out so she can turn them down and validate the high opinion she has of herself. In fact, she has made that video just to fish for a large amount of views, against to validate herself.
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>>524054942
i cold approach women all the time i dont know what shes talking about. i dont always ask for their number but i talk to them
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>>524054942
Society has spend decades drilling this idea into the public's head that men should be assumed to have nefarious intent until proven otherwise. We're also not mind-readers, and unless a woman makes it super-obvious that she wants us to talk to her, taking a shot caries a huge risk. Rejection now is way worse than it used to be. Before it might've been "no thanks" or "sorry I have a boyfriend". Now you get accused of being a creep motherfucker and having her whip her phone out to record you and paste it all over social media.

Yeah, no thanks.
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>>524056814
Shes jewish
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>>524055217
Many are saying this
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>>524057337
She's mooish really
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>>524054942
Aside from feminism ruining everything, they haven't been taught the importance of building skills. Talking to women is something you have to learn, because women are so different from men that a lot of stuff you might intuit is not true. So they try and fail the first time, and think that's it, I can't do it. But men in the generations prior spoke to many women, as many as they could, to try and figure them out. We learned their sense of humour and what they thought was attractive or unattractive. Many zoomers don't think that's an important skill to learn that will be very important in their lives.
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>>524056576
Same situation. The girls were polite. One was even flattered but engaged(wasn't wearing a ring bc was at gym).
Go for it bros.
May be diff if you are like 18-25 where women are still less mature than a male child and will tiktok you saying your bad pickup line.
Just be chill. Don't ever chase too hard.
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>>524054942
Her boyfriend wrote that script for her because it gets angry views among losers like you.
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>>524054942
Afraid of being humiliated. The cause? Maybe bad parents coupled with toxic social media/tv beauty standards.
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>>524054942
Her hand did the beak thing so I stopped watching
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She is kind of chunky and chubby, but big tits though
https://www.tiktok.com/@havanajunefever
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>>524057676
She's fat.
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>>524055068
they will still call you a creep
they are really mad that their OPTION to turn these guys down and humiliate them is gone.
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>>524054942
>As men, how are we going to fix this?
by continuing with business as usual, not our problem, simple as
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>>524054942
Where do I sign up....
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>>524057453
Id make it oink
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I'm a low value male. I'm not funny. I'm not rich.
It's over.
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>>524055473
no, they don't sleep in it alone, they sleep in it with niggers, who then later murder the, in a jenkem-fueled nigger rage
such are the fruits of submitting to jewish brainwashing
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>>524055068
Live in the real world. I never met such a woman in my life. Thats a vocal minority that copes with their loneliness by blaming all men, no different than incels blaming all men.
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>>524057676
Looks rapeable.
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>>524057808
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>>524058016
That dance alone wants me to throw her in a vat of chemicals
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>>524055217
I'm thinking about becoming a tranny and making a man happy instead
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>>524057676
she has the body type of my baby sitter girlfriend
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>>524058016
>just upping my statistical chances I get raped and killed teehee
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>>524054942
why are you posting weak engagement bait here instead of good quality OPs with substance and original thoughts?
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>>524058331
She takes nasty shits, you can just tell
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>>524056640
that still doesn't explain at all why all you niggers are spouting "bird hands"
what the fuck are "bird hands" bird don't fucking have hands
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>>524054942
>Women want men to do the approaching
How about we teach women to approach men themselves. Women are strong, capable, and independent now.
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>>524058406
Her hand takes this shape < like how drill instructors do knife hands at people? Liberal woman do bird hands, and its a tale tell sign to avoid her like nose rings and colored hair. It means they think they are always right.
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>>524058406
it looks like a beak
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>>524055815
You can approach women in other ways then "hey bitch, show me your tits"
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>>524058548
so what the fuck is the "bird" part?
this retarded shit makes no sense
why not call them bitch hands instead? because that actually makes sense and is applicable and more to the point
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>>524058582
oh so what you retarded niggers ACTUALLY mean is sterotypical italian hands, ok, you could have just said that in the first place
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>>524056212
Thank Disney, they all want to be Cinderella, marry a prince charming who lives in a castle and is filthy rich.

That and teevee shows like life styes of the rich and famous.

Nothing is ever enough....
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>>524058406
>>524058626

it doesn't mean "hands of birds" it means they make hand gestures that are shaped like birds. Fingers formed into what looks like a bird beak while making pecking motions.
Roasties make these hand gestures while trying to scold and lecture men about some dumb roastie bullshit.
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>>524058406
it's a bird's beak made with your hands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3e5v3zQlpI
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>>524058626
It's a reference to the shape of their beaks, you autismo supreme
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>>524054942
Someone should be a friend to her and break the news that it is because she is fat. Black guys and Indians will still approach.
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>>524058702
no, italian hands are supinated like they're holding something up. Bird hands are pronated and are making jabbing motions toward the man they're annoying.
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>>524054942
Because you have unprotected sex with blacks and your soul is dirt
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>>524055399
>Meanwhile Asians actually like us
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>>524054942
bitch women were slim and hot in the 90s
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>>524058702
italian hands point upwards, bird hands point at you
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>>524058016
Society would almost immediately set itself to recovery if women who were struggling with the dating market started calling these whores out. Men can be mad all they want, it doesn't feed into anything positive. It's women who need to do the action on this part to get the ball rolling proper.
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>>524058996
they also say mama mia they don't bitch about stupid things
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>>524054942
Humiliation ritual
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>>524058508
They will if they like you enough. The problem is that they just don’t really find you attractive enough to do that. That doesn’t mean that you aren’t attractive, just not in the top percentile.

Society makes too many pleasantries to hand waive natural behaviours that in the end just make everyone worse off than if we were honest in the first place. All women want the best, healthiest offspring who in turn will have a high chance of reproducing themselves and they need a strong man to protect them and bring in the bacon and even if you’re already together her nature will compel her to ditch you for Chad if you aren’t pulling your weight. Women are absolutely brutal when they want to be but that’s just how God made them and we have to live with it and just accept it for what it is.
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>>524058403
Jewish cow does kosher patty
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>>524054942
Men have declared spiritual jihad on women and it shows as they slowly begin to lose it. This is it anons, the real gender war has begun, not the fake one with countless pronouns that is being shilled everywhere in the media, but the real gender war between man and woman.
Women are about to learn a harsh lesson.

Don't talk to women, don't help them, don't ask them out, don't have dating apps, don't interact with them. If a woman approaches you be nice and respectful but do not flirt or overtly joke, treat them as an equal man and then leave after the reason for the conversation is over. If a girl comes up to you and flirts kindly turn her down, if she asks you out suddenly say no thank you, don't make up a reason she only has agency because of some external reason not because she likes you. Be vague when talking about your life or weekend plans, anything you do or do with them like hooking up will be picked apart and analyzed by her and her online friends. You are a traitor and not helping anyone if you fall for their tricks.
If men can't display a modicum of power over society, this world and women, then I guess they don't hold much power at all.
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>>524059089
She's probably just a smart grifter, but this woman seems to know what's up:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7-aUSEjH1Q0
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>>524054942
titty slidebait thread
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>>524057676
Her proportions are absolutely comical and she's an ig slut
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>>524057337
Then drop this Khazar Milkers ig handle please and thank you.
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>>524054942
She has an onlyfans, which I suppose is why this was posted here - to rope you losers in.
So go kind her and fap. Make her some Christmas money.
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>>524054942
i’m not going out of my way for a blown out slag. if other men didnt have tk commit lmfao why the fuck should i?
sex-havers: quiet quit out of the relationship if she acts up and doesnt worship your cock. thats how men should act.
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>>524058626
You are being fucking stupid
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>>524054942
>approach woman
>get charged with rape
No thanks. They can stick to their shitskins. They’ve destroyed our entire society in the last 20 years.
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>>524059388
I'll raise you television personality doing responses to tik-tok thots.
https://www.youtube.com/@JedediahBilaOfficial/videos
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>>524056576
This is the saddest shit i read in some time.
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>>524056313
They get it from black women. Everything is one half Judaized, the other Negrofied.
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>>524055068
Women lack accountability, they will ALWAYS blame someone else rather than themselves
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>>524054942
>REEEEEEEEEEE STOP LEERING AT US
>okay
>REEEEEEEEEEEE WHY YOU DON'T COME TO US???
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>>524058331

Fat isn't a body type. Any girl can have giant blobby tits if she eats like a hog.
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A whole generation of women have grown up watching nigger female babble on TikTok doing bird hand gestures and they emulate it. I think it has something to do with preserving their fake nails.
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>>524059688
Isn't Jedediah a man's name?
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>>524059864
The only people who blame themselves are depressed neurotic men who probably shouldn't.
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>>524060108
Maybe you should watch one of her videos and see if you can find any of the classic tells that would let you know it's a tranny.
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>>524054942
No but serious shit guys, I'm a married man and I am about to lose my fucking mind. We have two kids and one is 3 and she won't try and potty train with me. She says she's not ready, but when I'm home alone with them I put her in underwear and she goes to the potty, but everytime I got to work she puts the kid in a diaper and undoes all the progress I made. She refused to help me with these kinds of things and then says I'm attacking her when I say she's holding our kids back. She says she wants me to do something so I start to do it and she freaks out because I didn't do it the way she does it. She doesn't clean our house which is brand new I paid over 100k to get us in this place and she's pretty much destroyed in within 12 months. If I wasn't here to clean it would have been condemned as a hoarder hole a long time ago. Im seriously thinking about killing myself.
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>>524054942
Women hate men. Trying to get one to like you is no different from a non-jew trying to get a jew to like him. The best you can hope for is them pretending to like you for a time, until it's profitable for them to reveal their real opinion. Previously men were exposed to this phenomenon rarely, when a woman let her guard down around them. Now women just broadcast it to the entire world because in their minds their audience on Tiktok is composed entirely of other women who think exactly like them down to the tiniest detail.
>>524055217
Based. Interacting with women has 0 benefits now. They will either refuse to have children with you or have them just to get a tool to extort and blackmail you. And if you're interested in meaningless cooming, you can do that yourself just fine.
And they sure as fuck won't have a productive and useful conversation with you or anything of the sort. Literally 0 redeeming qualities.
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>>524061013

Fake story
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>>524061105
No man it's true and I actually want to die.
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>>524054942
there isn't an anything. only faggots like you want to post cumrags flapping their gums to this board to get attention.because you can't get attention being a male.
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>>524054942
We do, you're just fat
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>>524061215
Same size but not as many features.
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I have zero interest in women. What little hope I had what absolutely destroyed by 2 women, my first and second girlfriends. After that, I gave up, focused on myself and became rather successful into my mid 30's. Been single for 13 years and I'm fine with it, women aren't worth it anymore, they haven't been for a long time.
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>>524061013
She’s “preparing herself” for a divorce
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>>524054942
I don't date women who make nigger hand gestures.
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>>524058728
It's actually an old nigger woman hand gesture that means "shut yo mouf while I be talking."
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>>524061524
Bitch must've been preparing since before we got married. I got her pregnant so we stayed together, got married about a year later. She has been acting the same way for 5 years. I'm just an idiot for knocking her up.
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>>524056576
All of that sounds like an absolutely miserable experience. Why the fuck would I want to put myself through that?
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Not my problem.
Honestly outside of seething incels that believe that all they need to achieve in life is to get their dick wet once..
Is anyone else fine with everything and realizing you now have more time and money to do whatever you want.
I didn't set the stage but I plan to take advantage of it and enjoy whatever I want to do as there is no social responsibility anymore. Freedom!
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>>524061359
I had a hallmark kind of relationship with a woman after being burned by my ex wife. It all felt surreal like everything in my life was clicking together and then she broke up with me in a freakishly bad way (can’t disclose because it’s so stupid I can’t imagine it has happened to many other couples). I think the worst part about modern relationships is just the time you put into it only for some Jew media to tell them they’re missing out on x and if he can’t support you burn everything down.
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>>524061346
Not trainable either
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>>524061718
Been in your shoes man. It gets better and it’s easier on the kids to just cut your losses instead of raising them in an angry household with parents who don’t love eachother. Thinking about it now with how successful I’ve been since I find it silly that I stuck around for so long out of some sense of duty.
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That hand gesture she's making is in the same category as "oh, snap." Nigger women used to snap in a circle to get the other person to shut up. It also fits with "talk to the hand."

Same with fake nails and eyelashes. Young people don't realize how much our society has been niggrified. It all just seems new to them, but it actually came out of the 1980s ghetto.

This place just needs to be nuked.
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>>524062009
Kek
The true IQ test: whether or not you believe intelligence is a number that goes up and down.
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>>524054942
>Why don't men approach???
>They already have a thousand simps...
I don't understand women...

>They only want Chad to approach
I understand women and I hate them...
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>>524057915
this is a key part of the female psyche; they want the option to do things that aren't realistic. there is mostly a consensus that abortion shouldn't happen in certain cases like incestual rape, but women want the option to abort even though it's unlikely they need one, you can literally just take a pill.
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>>524054942
>tiktok
>truths
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>>524054942
theyre just jumping on a trend for attention, literally a algorithm making a meat bag its puppet
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>>524062272
People were laughing at the Chinese government attempting to limit romance shows where the woman finds a wealthy husband. It isn’t a joke though and the CCP knows fine well that women buy into nonsense media whole heartedly.
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Honestly I have better success rates and fun cold approaching trannies. If you live in a city/liberal area there are lots of qt tgirls and they almost always seem receptive.
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>>524056313
Hoemath has a good video on it. It's aggressive body language, notice how chicken hands always come with videos where they accuse someone or want something?
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Everyone in here argueing her retarted bullshit is a fag.
Nice tits
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>>524062009
You can have a high IQ and still be really fucked up in the head. BTW, I heard a recording of her playing piano. She was pretty good. Not Horowitz or Serkin level, but very respectable amateur level.
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>>524057676
god i love this loud, attention-seeking titcow
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>>524062085
This is true as long as he actually gets custody, men younger than 15 who lose their male role model have much much worse outcomes than those who have a male role model until that age.
Also, a lot of divorces turn super fucking hostile, I was brainwashed by BOTH my parents that the other one was terrible, which made me alienated from them both. And I've seen it happen countless times. Thankfully the kids are so young that they probably won't remember, but I am dead sure the mother is going to attempt a character assassination on the father, and it's not easy to pretend to be amicable when your kid says "mom told me you hate us and that's why you won't see us half the time" or something like that.
But yeah, if he's becoming suicidal then it's MUCH better to divorce. It could save his life.
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>>524063241
I don't love her, but I'd blow a few loads of hot, sticky semen into her vagina, if you know what I mean.
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>>524054942
>Hurr durr why don't you approach women REEEE
Uhmmmm.... Because I really appreciate my time? Why would I waste it on women when I know that most likely I'm going to get ditched? Sorry bro I've better things to do, just get over it.
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>>524062384
that sounds like a good thing to do, but at the same time we know women are hard coded to think that way, they absolutely will compete for the top of the male hierarchy and most female romance is based on them being picked up by someone high status. even the one about the guy in a wheelchair, he is handsome and filthy rich.

also, tell me what that girl did, I'm super curious and I don't have anything to gain by being a dick to someone I have no idea who is
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>>524062169
Oh her intelligence went up and down alright
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>>524054942
>As men, how are we going to fix this
kill every judge pastor lawyer teacher cop doctor professor and their whole families
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>>524061215
gotta clip that on the end of the hyperhoeflation infographic
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>>524054942
I was gonna compliment her tits, but i realized she's really just fat.
Dont waste your time on her
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>>524061718
>Bitch must've been preparing since before we got married
of course she was. thats how they are with marriage illegal. no fault civil divorce with children and all the wages going with the first to file is marriage is illegal
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>>524054942
because dudes these days are fucking faggot cowards. Everyone of them.

>39 year old who still approaches women
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>>524054942
You fellas wanna rape this big-tittied chick together?
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>>524062120
>This place just needs to be nuked.
we need total nuking of all cities and the total elimination of all judges pastors teachers cops professors and lawyers and all of their family friends and neighbors
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>>524064177
gotta crash this sɔyciety with no survivors
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>>524054942


Women have their guards up all the time now, because they are constantly pestered by brown and black animals every time they leave the house. Pre-2000s, most white women had no interactions at all with non-white men.

Of course, if a woman gives the vibe that they are not interested, you are not going to approach them.
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>>524064089
And yet she thinks she's a 10/10 sex goddess because of her fat udders
Pig disgusting
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>>524054942
women don't care about any of this. they just want to show their tits off bruh
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>>524055217
Based and monk pilled.
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>>524055271
she is repeating things she saw in movies anon
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>>524054942
Avoid all women who do the girlboss hand-talk.

In fact, punch every woman in the face that does it. It's for their own good.
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>>524054942
>she said fatly
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>>524054942
you are now aware that she doesnt give a single fuck about anything she just said and can have sex 10 times per day with people at least 3-4 points better looking than you and me
you arent winning anything, no woman is miserable by chance but by choice, there is nothing left to be said and everything said is just a cope
women won
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>>524058624
You're retarded if you think that "may I meet you?" shit works. Be Chad or she will call the police. And even if you are Chad she will never stop cheating on you and intentionally fucking up your life because she finds drama exciting. The shit test never ends, you can relax around blacks easier than foids.
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>>524054942
This is ragebait. She knows why and would recoil at any man who actually approached her.
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>>524054942
>here is my sociological statement
>hey i'm not wearing a bra make sure to have my breasts in the shot squishing around as I move

don't care

American Tiktok was just bought by jewish zionist billionaires anyways. Get ready for the "antisemitism" purge and only pro-zionist views allowed.
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>>524061013
Maybe switch from diapers to night time pull-ups as a kind of safety net middle-ground thing but refer to them as "underwear." Might be a step in the right direction. Both parents have to make an effort though.
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It was never common for men to approach women in public. I don’t know how everyone has suddenly convinced themselves of this. The way people have met romantic partners in the past was always through social networks. They did things in the real world, formed relationships in it, and then relationships via relationships, and that led to meeting, dating, and marrying. They met coworkers, fellow hobbyists, fellow churchgoers, fellow volunteers, neighbors, friends, fellow students, family, and then friends of all these people.

The singular reason nobody meets anyone now is simply because nobody has an IRL social life anymore. Everybody just sits at home scrolling. There are no young lively workplaces, no hobby groups, no classes, they don’t work IRL, they don’t go to church, they don’t hang out at gas stations in high school because there’s nowhere else to go, they don’t peruse the book store because they just shop on Amazon, nobody peruses Blockbuster, and when they do they are glued to their phone and rush in and out to get home to the internet. Nobody has an IRL public life anymore.
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>>524064383
except you wont crash society

the only thing that will happen is you never have sex. Throw out your PS5. Throw out you computer. Stop gooning. Go out and have sex. humans did this for thousands of years. These devices are recent distractions
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>>524065717
>Nobody has an IRL public life anymore.
Genuinely impressive how few people recognize this
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90s girls weren’t hogs
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>>524054942
The cities are ran by jews. Jews don't want men to live there. Most women live in The cities.
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>>524065717
>Nobody has an IRL public life anymore.
Bums on the streets do!
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>>524065717
True but that's a secondary reason. The main reason is everyone is fat nowadays. The obesity rate is like 60%. Fat people don't even want to date other fat people.

Plus birth rates are in decline, so you have fewer young single people than in years past, and only 40% of them are a healthy weight, and few of them have irl social lives. It's a disaster.
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>>524066108
>>524065717
There’s really no where to go. Majority of places I go to people treat me like I’m walking dirty laundry or they want me out of there as quickly as possible.

People just have excess male fatigue
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>>524054942
Name of this big titty cutie?
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>>524058300

Please make me happy anon :^)
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>>524055217
Yea but then who will make my dinner and clean my house
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>>524058331
Is there more?
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>>524066719
>implying a woman would do that
Enjoy your microwave dinner slop
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why dont women ask out men then the stupid bitches
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>>524066719
Mom does that, but really, it's much easier to do on your own than get a woman for it. There is only one thing you could need a woman for that you can't do yourself, and that is sex. Of course, fapping relieves you just the same.
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>>524054942
>Why don't men approach anymore?
Why can't men find a single woman who isn't entertaining half a dozen other guys, and dozens more on a singles app?
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>>524054942
Ain't that like, new-aged rape or something? What are you gonna do, ask a woman out in the middle of her work or shopping? Nobody wants to be fucked with when they're just trying to get stuff done quickly.
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>>524066346
that doesn't explain the same thing happening in European slender countries. We've also had a big decrease in third places
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>>524054942
Well, this one is fat and has a big nose, that's reason enough as to why she may not be receiving attention
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>>524067256

Yeah there's that. There's also the feminist girl boss programming.
Even if the girl's not a whore, I get the vibe they see men as competition. They need to prove they're better than men.
Instead of, you know, a team mate you cooperate with and compliment each others strengths and weaknesses.

It's just tiring. I compete with other men at work I don't want to compete with my woman after work too.
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>>524055553
lol
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>>524067424
The governments shut everything down for years and forced people to hang out at each others' houses, in secret like they're smuggling contraband or some shit.
After that people just adopted the habit and continued doing it. I go for a walk on a Saturday evening in the middle of summer and there's fucking nobody, it's a goddamn ghost town, only stray cats outside. 6 years ago every cafe was packed and now they're closing down one after another, parks were full of people listening to music and talking over some beers and now there's fucking nobody.
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>>524065824
>Go out and have sex.
women will literally tell you they want marriage and children to get you to take them home, then murder your baby and accuse you of rape
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>>524054942
Why do these dipshits constantly pretend they're so knowledgeable about how things worked in times when they weren't alive or were like 5 years old?
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>>524065717

Yeah every girl I dated or hooked up with I met through IRL social networks. Classmate, coworker, friend of a friend, etc.
Never just approached randoms on the street. Very very few guys can pull that off.
After COVID I became a hermit and work with 95% men so it's literally over RIP
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>>524067685
I mean, you paint a pretty dramatic picture but cafes/bars/beers in the park do seem to have alcohol in common and GenZ drinks substantially less, so that could also be part of the explanation. and that again is hypothesized to be tied to everyone having a camera on them. so I think technology is also partly to blame, it certainly is a driver for hypergamy.
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>>524067532
>Yeah there's that. There's also the feminist girl boss programming.
Based.
Singles apps and Feminist programming are probably the two largest factors in the death of the dating market.

>Feminism is Incompatible with Nature

>"Alpha" and "Beta"
"Alpha" is natural. "Beta" is the inversion of nature. An "Alpha male" is a masculine male, and an "Alpha female" is a feminine female. A "Beta male" is a feminine male, and a "Beta female" is a masculine female

>Masculinity and Femininity
A man's natural traits - drive, ambition, and leadership (Masculinity). His natural desire - a woman that is submissive and supportive of his leadership ("Alpha Female"). A woman's natural traits - submission and support (Femininity). Her natural desire - a man that is a driven, ambitious, leader ("Alpha Male").

>Feminism and Civilization
Feminism dictates that the inverse of nature is "progress" - that men should be submissive and supportive (feminine), of the drive, ambition, and leadership (masculinity), of women. Feminism, therefore, creates a conflict between its adherents morality and their nature. Feminism dictates that male leadership ("Patriarchy") is "oppressive" to women ("Fuck the Patriarchy"), outdated ("What is this, 1950?"), a hindrance to societal "progression" ("The future is female"), and therefore, "toxic". This is in direct conflict with natural traits, desires, and civilization. If male leadership ("Patriarchy") and female support (Femininity), is what has constructed every civilization in history, including this one, then to support the inverse, Feminism, is to support the destruction of civilization.

>Feminists - "Beta Females" and "Beta Males"
The conflict between Feminist morality, and nature, is why Feminist women ("Beta females") have a dilemma: They naturally desire the "bad boy" (Masculine men - "Alpha Males"), but their Feminist morality is only compatible with the, undesirable, "nice guy" (Feminine men - "Beta Males").
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>>524057676
>nigger hands
get the fuck away from me
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>>524054942
I don't go out in public anymore and any man that is out in public who is not working a job, is either married or some oversocialised faggot.
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>>524057676
I'm confused. Does she *want* to taste her own pussy juices? That's kinda fucking weird.

I dated a chick once who sucked me off, swallowed, then came back up, grinned, and made out with me for a bit. It was... fine, in the heat of the moment, but afterwards I realized what had just happened and got squicked out for a while. I later suspect she knew *exactly* what she was doing, the devilish little minx.
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>>524054942
bet her areolas are like pancakes on those fat old tits
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>>524061846
It really wasnt, found a new good friend, and a few casual ones, and had a couple good conversations.
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>>524067928
>GenZ drinks substantially less
Not necessarily. As I said, just 6 years ago was different. I'm also gen Z and I sure as hell went out and got drunk with my peers basically every weekend. I don't know anyone who would not drink, even if just 3-4 beers. That literally got cut off with the lockdowns. After that, nobody drinks anymore. We simply lost the habit and the will to do it. Every statistic about gen Z not drinking that you see here came out after 2020, but I remember the period before 2020 very well. Phones existed back then too, and nobody cared. That sounds like something made up to try and avoid admitting that lockdowns mindbroke basically an entire generation.
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Maybe it has something to do with the outrageously provocative way women dress these days. They arent really cute or innocent looking, they look quite devious, seductive, and alluring. I think there is something very masculine about sexual promiscuity.
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>>524056574
In progressive (see: socialist) societies which promote women's rights women are inherently seen as "more pure" which is why they were exclusively selected for for public education in the US
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>>524054942
Maybe men stopped approaching women when they all got fat
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>>524068496

Any attention seeking or performative behavior from women is a huge turn off to me.
I don't care how hot she is - if she's going
>Look at me! Look at meeeeee!
or posting endless selfies on social media that totally ruins it.
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>>524068693
this one got out of bed to do her makeup and got back in bed to film herself
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>>524054942
Decent face with big fat tits. I would approach her but chances are she's always with her fat ugly friends. Unless I'm feeling chatty I don't approach women when they are with a lot of other women because the fridge of the group is always protecting the snacks.

I'm also not that interesting or exciting and women love to remind me of this. I am at a point in my life where I know what I like and don't like. If a girl wants to do stupid shit like go out every night it's not going to work out because to me it's just a waste of money.
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>>524067980

Yeah they want the man to lead but they refuse to follow.

If they get a "beta" male they'll disrespect him and resent him.
If they get an alpha male they'll constantly challenge his leadership then claim he's "abusive" or "a narcissist" or whatever.
It's lose-lose until they can break free of the feminist programming
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>>524068316
you’re gay now
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>>524055222
That's true. If she acts retarded she likes you. If she starts squirming and rubbing her legs together like a cricket, she's DTF ATM
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>men need to fix this
no western men will fix this
this is getting "fixed" when the masses of brown subhumans are a voting majority and vote away women's rights and legalize rape

and white cops and soldiers will enforce those new democratically chosen rape laws

>incels ples form a guerrilla and do a revolution,I don't want to get raped by pajeets (I just wanted to play pretend getting raped by Chad,who isn't you btw,go fight and die!)
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>>524056212
There’s a whole genre of film and TV where 10/10 billionaire chads fight over the affection of a plain Jane frigid girlboss careerist type whore. Basically every rom com is like this.
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>>524068546
>women are inherently seen as "more pure" which is why they were exclusively selected for for public education i
the reason you want exclusively female guards in your day prison is so the young women dont fuck the male guards, because you need to convince the girls fathers not to kill you for taking their daughters and turning them into whores
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>>524068868
>I would approach her but chances are she's always with her fat ugly friends.
SPOILER: She IS the fat ugly friend.
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>>524063291
>How does such a Black Swan/deus ex machina anomaly occur?
Society bans child brides.
Men stop working.
Men stop defending women and their society.
Society is destroyed.
Humans wiped out.
Man left.

Humans then are re-bred.
Seethe at Man.
Demand Man be enslaved and castrated.
Men stop working.
Men stop defending women and their soceity.
Society is destroyed by outside band of the species Man.
Humans wiped out.
Man left.

Humans are then re-bred.
Seethe at Man.
Demand Man be enslaved and dick and balls chopped off for heaven (matthew 19, greek).
Child brides banned (millstone).
Massive police armies created to enforce this
Men stop working..
Humans demand all Men on earth submit to Humanity and the god of Humanity: Jesus.
Men stop defending society.
Humans attack "not human enough" society with...
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>>524058406
NIGGER, HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN A CHICKEN IN REAL LIFE?!?
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>>524069068
Yes, "progressives" which are socialists, which created the public education system and made sure it only used female teachers, are also the people that are pushing women into the workforce and trying to dissolve their traditional gender roles
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>>524056576
The ghost thing and blocking shit is way out of control. If I don't like someone, I just tell them I'm not feeling the vibe. A woman can't do that, they have to ghost you they can't all have had bad experiences breaking up with people. It's a bad way to conduct a culture
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>>524069068
Why are they smiling, is this a propaganda photo...
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>>524054942
>As men, how are we going to fix this?
why are talking like a faggot?
There is no we.
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>>524054942
Sage
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>>524060454
This is how I feel most of the time.
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>>524068418
>good female friend
>good conversations
do you happen to be female yourself my bastard?
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>>524067980
>>Feminism and Civilization
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>>524054942
What these hoes will never tell you is that they ONLY want the top 0.01% of men to flirt with them in public. If anyone else tries to flirt with them, that's tantamount to rape.
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>>524069486
The new H1B CEO had to make room for poo.....scabs
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>>524069406
women love having bayonets pointed at their backs and having daddy and the soldier fight over them. they love the attention they get for exhibitionism. then when theyre used up no one gives a shit what they think
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>>524069741
...and if one of the men they promise marriage and children to gets them pregnant, thats also rape. listening to women wag their tongues is pointless, they all need lobotomy healthcare
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>>524069914
One of the soldiers is also grinning, was this a staged photo op to scare the goyim into submission.
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>>524054942
Well, her being a 25 years older might have something to do with it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subjection_of_Women
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>>524070099
it would of been better for everyone if those girls were being taken to the officers houses as war brides
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>>524054942
I fucking hate tiktok hand gestures
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>>524056313
It's symbolic hen-pecking. The other anons are 99.9% of the way there when they refer to it as "bird hands," but there reasons are essentially correct.
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>>524070099
those boomer sluts ended up divorcing their husbands that they married as virgins during or right after high school
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>>524054942

there's no fucking epidemic of anything, maybe in burger land, but everywhere else if you go outside you see tons of couples and shit.

we're a bunch of retards that yell at the moon, nothing more, nothing less.
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>>524070484
yeah but do you see tons of kids THOUGH dumb romonkeyian
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>>524070587

I do actually, maybe it's an e.european thing, since the west is fucked, but I guess we will follow with the birth rates at one point.
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>>524055217
I came with this conclusion years ago, but I literally cannot. It is impossible. I have hormones pumping on my veins that make it impossible to ignore women. It's out of my control. I tried to chemically castrate myself, but the doctor wanted to ran a battery of expensive exams first.
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>>524070099
those women spent their entire lives voting for demonrats in order to preserve their theoretical right to murder any baby that miraculously appeared in their womb and are now draining your bank account for their medicare to manage their venereal diseases
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>>524054942
GYATT DAMN SON, NEEDA GET A NIGGER DICK UP IN THAT BITCH AWWOOOOOOOOGA BOOOOOOOBAAAAAA BBC IN ASSSSSS

great thread
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>>524054942
Lmao
>2010
>Be a guy at a bar
>"Hey there is this sit taken"
>"AHHHHHH AHHHH REEEEE RAPE RAPE REEEEE"
>2025
>See girl in bar
>Run away
>"Huuuh where are men"
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>>524069366
Women won't have an honest conversation about a relationship, and just break things off like an adult, but they'll gladly publicly mock men with their friends. A large amount of them don't grow out of junior high in America.
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>>524071102
Close, they just scream rape when the guy isn't attractive and hoflation has every 3/10 thinking they deserve Brad Pitt.
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This bitch's OnlyFans talks about how she'll keep your balls empty. Definitely a hungry piggy.
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>>524054942
These whores are complaining about Chad not asking them out.
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>>524055217
brvtal trvke
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>>524055217
Blessed, don't give a vitch an inch or she'll take a mile
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>>524058091
Retard tranny, ever single guy in this thread has experienced or seen this. Livestream your suicde freak.
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>>524058051
They’re gonna try to spin you as a misogynist and arrest you, mark my words. Any way you can escape to thailand? I cant cuz i have no clur how to make cash online. The censorship got rid of and mass purged info on how to support yourself abroad.
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>>524054942
Let me preface this post by saying I am an average looking young white guy, I'm not ugly but I'm not Chad Thundercock either. The last time I approached a girl at a bar she actually looked similar to vidrel, just about 20-30 pounds lighter. She was uninterested despite being single and looksmatched, I'm not autistic or timid (she was very timid, actually), she really must have thought she deserved better, she tried lying and aging she was married rather than just tell me she wasn't interested, and worse, tried to pawn me off to her 3/10 jeet friend. Average and above average women have an overinflated sense of value, it's women exactly like in the OP video that had NO TROUBLE with guys approaching them, they simply rejected one too many and now through pavlovian conditioning, men just aren't initiating, or even going out in public with the intention of meeting women. They like to craft this false image of men scared of female rejection, but really they are too retarded to get dick themselves.
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>>524056574
>>524068546
Jews or not, we love in a world where women can not understand whatsoever that their choices are why they are alone. I know a 35 year old roastie who bitches endlessly about guys pumping and dumping her, and about how not a single rich nerd wants to hit on her. But she goes around threatening to call the cops on any guy who even looks at her.

There’s a REASON women weren’t allowed to make their own choices. Dogs aren’t allowed to make their own choices either, for the same exact reason.
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>>524069448
Best one of these I’ve seen.
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>>524056212
I agree, you actually get the threat of prison just by interacting with these people. Fuck that. Fuck the jewish west
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>>524069366
Ghost and block is the norm now, or just leave you on perpetual read until they run out of options and suddenly decide to reply
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Never forget how fucking stupid regular people and yes, most women, are
>ZOMG IN THE 90S!!1
You are 20 years old
The 90s were a distant memory when you were born
Shut the fuck up
Also, I love the cognitive dissonance
>Men wont approach me
>It must be their fault!
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>>524056028
If you go online or talk to women IRL, they absolutely hate 90% of white men. It’s to the point where I advise anyone who goes around women to be armed to the teeth. MINIMUM 3 guns and 4 knoves, 9 interchangeable mags. Maybe some plates.
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>>524070943

Great poojeet impression, anon, congrats.
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>>524054942
What do you think her areolas look like? Large, small? Pink, dark red?
Everytime i see a woman with big tits this is the first thing i think of.
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>>524055068
>back in the 90’s it was common for men to ask out strangers
This is a myth.

Approaching complete strangers, striking up a conversation, getting their phone number, then calling and asking them out did happen. I don’t think anyone would deny that. But it was NEVER common. This is a popular trope in movies, but most people dated within social circles.

Women are apprehensive about talking to people not associated with their in-group. One view is that it’s part of human nature, with strangers/outsiders being seen as dangerous. Who knows, really.

The attitude hasn’t suddenly changed. Women aren’t suddenly more open to cold approaches. If anything they’re more guarded due to social anxiety about harassment. At the same time, social circles have collapsed, with people having fewer friends.
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>>524071615
Im confused, im a tranny because i actually love women, and tell peopleto not be miserable fucks and start a family?
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>>524054942
You know, it's really not any different now than it used to be. Women were just as cruel when they rejected men back in the day. I got laughed at by a cafeteria after my crush rejected me in 5th grade, for example (this was in... 1997?)
But now EVERYONE is online ALL THE TIME. It's not just one moment of embarrassment anymore; it's now recorded and posted on social media, with the possibility of your rejection being broadcast and reposted for maximum, long-lasting humiliation for daring to ask out the wrong woman while, I dunno, your shoes were wrong
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>>524069366
What i dont get is why did the one ask me if im in the park again next day if she wanted to ghost me? She initiated the effort to meet up again, unless she wanted to know if the park is safe from me tomorrow
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>>524058066
Jews will dogpile you for speaking negatively about women and their racemixing
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>>524067876
You can pull it off. Like im a lone fuck for 15 years, definitely not chad, and i got into a couple good talks at least.
Its only your insecurities keeping you from trying, same was for me
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>>524072647
You’re a tranny for spreading bolshevik deradicalization propaganda about women. You lie lie lie about how scummy they are. Fuck you, kike tranny bolshevik fag.
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Let’s be very clear: women didn’t “magically change.” The incentive structure changed. Jews exploited their primal brain. Feminism plus Instagram plus Tinder plus a decade of “you go girl, never compromise” content gave the average 6/10 girl the ego of a celebrity. Back in the day, your dating pool was who lived in your neighborhood. Now any girl with ring light and Wi‑Fi has a DM from some crypto bro millionaire kike. Of course she thinks she’s a “prize.” the game changed and men are the only ones pretending it hasn’t. Women adapted. They industrialized their options. Social media made validation free and infinite, dating apps gave them infinite options, the state gave them a safety net, the culture told them men are optional.


So now you have this weird creature: a woman who still wants a man but doesn’t need him for survival. And she’s been told if she dares compromise, she’s a failure. That’s why you see thirty‑something "career woman" skanks on TikTok crying into a wine glass, still insisting they won’t “settle.
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>>524072647

nah, it's the fact that you're judgmental over the situation, just because you had certain experiences doesn't mean the rest did the same.

also you seem a normalfag, do yourself a favor and leave this shithole, nobody here will start shit, the damage was done since childhood and beyond.
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>>524054942
>even in the 90s
Why do women in their 30s question why men don't approach anymore? Reason should be obvious.
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>>524071229
Ah yes I forgot the part where most "chads" fuck quantity not quality, and for every 8/10 there's 5 dirty piggy tattooed cunts
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>>524073137

I've started to become increasingly satanic in my thoughts, as well as hating God for this flaw bullshit design of a helper.
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>>524069690
I pitty you if that is actually your experience. Sure, a lot are braindead bimbos, but its those you appearently choose to stay around with.
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>>524073090
>Dont breed goyim
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>>524056226
Quantifying people—even women, no less men—as numbers, is always mentally ill and probably matriarchal in some way.
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>>524073216
So you let childhood trauma dictate your life? I feel processing and overcoming the issue so you can lead a proper fulfilled life is the better option.
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>>524054942
without face filters and camera angles yall hoes are twos with the attitudes of tens
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>>524073689
quantification is rational and therefore male. women unconsciously qualify you as invisible or fuckable.
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>>524054942
I have learned that complete hermittude and inceldom is preferable to being near women.
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>>524073137
It literally is just
>I won't settle for anything but the best
>but the best won't settle for me
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>>524059259
>i have to try this hard not to simp and affect it this much
Fucking lmao. You shall not be missed by the matriarch simp
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>>524069690
There's plenty of smart females out there you have to weed them out from the retarded ones
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>>524073734

for some of us, there's no escape, trust me when I say this.
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>>524056574
Nigger the bear shit was 6 months ago
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>>524074160
She's going for that FOREVER ALONE route.
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>>524074674
Nah, there's too much tongue in cheek. She's fully playing the engagement game.
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>>524054942
it's not her fault ofc.
I would never approach that though, brown hair with brown eyes.
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>>524055068
As easily solved forever through impersonal engineering and readily available infrastructure.

Specifically, by putting women into barns, where they will be bred and milked to the full extent of efficiency granted by human Zootechnics, and then unceremoniously disposed of with a pneumatic needle when their bodies are spent and unproductive.
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>>524054942
did everyone forget when gilette told men not to approach women because it's toxic masculinity and no women stepped forward to say that was bullshit? that's why no men are stepping forward to approach now. Not until some prominent brand comes out with a big ad teling them it's ok, is it going to happen.
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>>524056574
>The SJWs of 2013
They were already old roasties by the
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>>524054942
>tiktok truths-
Stopped reading there
Fucking kill yourself and slit your wrists and drown in your own blood and the blood of your whore mother faggot
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>>524068952
Obviously. What a cruel jest, fate is. Is there no balm in Gilead for a wretch like me?
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Fellas, i've been thinking...
is the concept of gf feminist? after all it's the carrot on a stick you're chasing while you go through shit you wouldn't be going through otherwise
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>>524074276
Mate, i saw fat bald manlets, with scribbled faces and as much iron in their face as if a fraggrenade exploded right in front of it. If they can do it, you too. And again, i say this as someone who has no luck what so ever with women. Dont let your fears prevent you from being happy. And honestly dying old and alone was always my greatest fear, so i at least didnt have anything to lose.
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>>524076589

I'm happy for you, the issue with me is that I have autoimmune diseases, and I'll go sooner than later, which is fine.

With the dying alone part, my mom died in my arms from cancer, unfortunately, all of us die alone even though someone else is there with you at the time.



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