Are solar panels and electric cars good now or is this guy just a nigger faggot?https://youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM
>>529302825def a faggot, and democrat, and a femnazitech needs another 2 gens of battery improvements
>>529302825Electric cars are good, but smart cars are bad, and sadly no one is selling an electric car that wouldn't also be a smart car.
>>529303080>Electric cars are good, but smart cars are bad, and sadly no one is selling an electric car that wouldn't also be a smart car.Redpill me on this
>>529302867Silver batteries are promising.
>>529302825well he's definitely a faggotand he believes in manmade climate change, s he's not too bright either
>>529302825I refuse to believe that he isn't the same person as Captain Disillusion.
>>529302825>Are solar panels and electric cars good now or is this guy just a nigger faggot?They are not good. Solar and other renewables require enormous amounts of mined resources, which is largely relaint on fossil fuels to extract, engendering more habitat destruction, they don't replace fossil fuels, not just because they provide only an intermittent source of energy (and we lack any storage infrastructure), but because they're just more energy addition not a transition away from fossil fuels (as consumption just keeps growing), and they require huge tracts of land creating more habitat and biodiversity loss (pic related). Fossil fuel use continues to increase. That's not to mention that the batteries are filling the environment with more toxic chemicals. Our world is dying. We have overshot our ecological limits. Sooner or later we will have to address overconsumption and the brown hordes overpopulating our planet.
he just completely glosses over the fact that renewables fuck up the environment more than fossil fuels.
>>529303612They always do forget that part, as though mining shit to make future e-waste is less destructive to the environment than CO2 and methane.>but they can recycle batteries!The can recycle plastic too, guess where most of that shit ends up.
>op posts a 1 hour video>32 minutes later there are people saying the video is wrong what causes this?
>>529302825looks like a faggot but not a niggerunless you mean maybe figuratively. maybe he is a literal faggot and a figurative nigger
>>529303224>government mandates EVs>all EVs just happen to be remote controlled by the government>anon needs a redpillThe EV mandate is paused for now but it will resume. Also good luck driving your old "manual" car when no insurance provider will cover it due to the statistical danger.
>>529303790We've all seen it already. This is old news.
>>529302825dude thinks 120 miles is far
>>529302867battery tech is never getting better. its hit its max energy density and there are already batteries that last basically forever (nickel iron)>>529303248how can you not believe in man made climate change? which do you deny:>greenhouse gasses exist>carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas>burning things makes carbon dioxide>humans burn thingsthese all seem real enough >>529303531>require enormous amounts of mined resourcesare you saying that oil and coal arent mined? are you saying that mining oil and coal is somehow more environmentally sound than mining anything else? >we lack any storage infrastructureare you saying that with storage infrastructure solar panels are good?>>529303612in which ways? you didnt mention any>>529303753the raw material for plastic is basically free, sometimes is free and sometimes even cheaperthe raw material for batteries is much more expensive than free, surely you know this? aluminium is recycled massively because processing aluminium ore is more expenisve, why wouldnt the same thing happen to batteries for the same reason? >>529303893post timestamps and specific debunks then
>>529304057>which do you denyNone.I contest the "greenhouse" framing of naturally occurring gases. There is no "greenhouse" effect inherent with those gases.>>burning things makes carbon dioxideRELASES carbon dioxide, that was originally in the atmosphere already. why are you aus faggots always climate crazies.
>>529302825I was almost sure at one point that he started taking HRT and transitioning. Thank god he didn't.
>>529304433>naturally occurring gasesby this reasoning all gasses are naturally occurring, but youre wrong anyway because "natural" gasses already in the atmosphere can certainly be greenhouse gasses. btw all gasses have an inherent greenhouse effect, just like all solids have an inherent reflective effect. its a trick of the light basically>RELASES carbon dioxide, that was originally in the atmosphere alreadythe oil in the ground releases gas that was already in the air? you didnt think this one through. the oil is made mostly of carbon. you burn it and the carbon combines chemically with oxygen and creates/releases/makes/summons carbon dioxide >why are you aus faggots always climate craziesits just me, im in every thread
>>529302825Electric cars are shit for cold climate. Until they fix that issue the farthest i would go for use would be a hybrid. Also solar panels really are weather dependent, so it would be way less useful during the times of year that I would more need power out of it.
>>529304057>are you saying that oil and coal arent mined? are you saying that mining oil and coal is somehow more environmentally sound than mining anything else?Technically speaking oil is not mined. Coal requires far less mining than tmetals and minerals. When you are mining coal your basically just removing coal from the ground. When you mine a metal or a mineral you are removing ore where only a fraction is what you actually want. Rare earth minerals especially are very low ore grades. You have to mine huge amounts of ore then you have to process that ore which usually requires huge volumes of toxic chemicals. >are you saying that with storage infrastructure solar panels are good?No. We don't even have any technology that would be practical for energy storage infrastructure. My point is not that fossil fuels are good. It is that renewable energy do not replace fossil fuels. They are only an addition to fossil fuels. Because we are consuming ever more and adding ever more people to the planet. Fossil fuel consumption continues to rise on top of the enormous environmental destruction being caused for so-called renewable energy. We actually have address the root causes which are overconsumption and overpopulation to avoid total biosphere collapse. But it is probably already too late.
>>529304593wrong on every count
>>529302825always was a nigger faggot
>>529304719>oil is not minedit is for this discussion, pumping causes just as much enviromental harm as digging a hole>When you are mining coal your basically just removing coal from the groundyes? you remove ore from the ground in exactly the same way. you also need to move more material from the ground just because coal needs to be constantly mined every day. >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_coal_productiontheres about 10 000 million tons of coal mined each year >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_countries_by_mineral_production#Irontheres about 2 500 million tons of iron ore mined each year (the above link is per thousand ton, the one above that is per million ton)>We don't even have any technology that would be practical for energy storage infrastructurewhy not? i posted about nickel iron batteries already and how they last basically forever (just as a coal plant lasts basically forever). you can do the math on how much iron and nickel go into each wh of storage and how much is mined and how much power is used and it comes to the entire planets nickel and iron production for just over 3 weeks to make batteries for the entire planets energy usage for 36 hours. and remember that these batteries then last basically forever, a month of mining and suddenly you dont need to mine 10 billion tons of coal every year forever>renewable energy do not replace fossil fuelswhy not? everything can either be directly ran from electricity and the things that cant can be run from chemical fuels made with electricity. theres not a single thing on the planet that needs specifically mined (or pumped) fossil fuel, they just need some hydrocarbon>Fossil fuel consumption continues to risemaybe we should think about what we will do when the easy fossil fuel is already gone and no one can think of a way to keep supporting this rise>>529304816you forgot to say specifically how im wrong btw
THey're mid. They're not as shit as the haters say nor as good as the lovers say. They'll always be there in the future but never be the main thing. Just can't compete with oil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvycDivNQps
>>529302867>>529302825they are not good now, fpbp
>>529303439>>529302825Both of them are insane woketards who lure people by acting reasonable then showing their true colors.
>>529304057I thought nickel iron still suffer increasing thermal losses over timeI guess they are a fuckton more expensive than L-ion
>>529304057also solar is utterly retarded, nuclear or "zero point" is /are the only energy source(s) that demamd improving due to spatial constraints. If powering the planet could be done with infinite space and no losses sure, solar is great. But I can also build a turbine powered by jogging on a treadmill and just employ millions of energy slaves, but what's the fucking point
>>529305286using ai to make these kinda pictures and then saving them onto ones computer and posting them online is literally satan
if solar was a a net positive wouldnt there be business just asking to put solar on peoples homes for free and they keep the profits of the excess sold back into the grid
>>529302825Solar panels are good if you live in a desert, or at least a place with light storms, lots of sun and no snow. Electric cars are good for smaller vehicles. Any other uses for these two are just masturbatory and detrimental to the cause overall.
>>529305400 which is exactly why our government offers a subsidy for having solar panels slapped on your housebecause our leaders act like teenagers given their parents' credit cards. They contract china with 8 billion solar panels and a personal bonus for signing that has nothing to do with government money, then spend the tax dollars on the solar panels, profit off someone else's money and leaves you with a melting piece of shit strapped to your roof, then they get unelected in 4 years and go off to happy retirement on an island
Shouldn't the global warming gasses evaporate into space which is a vacuum coexisting with earths gas-pressure system without solid separation because science said so?
>>529305289>thermal lossessure, more than a lithuium battery but if you are talking about grid storage a 0.5% per day loss is acceptable. the transmission losses are a dozen times greater than that>fuckton more expensivei just had a look and they seem very comparable for the upfront cost (lithuium batteries are made to scale much more than nickel iron so probably they could be cheaper in the future), but the lifetime cost is much cheaper because they last longer>>529305331>nuclear or "zero point" is /are the only energy source(s) that demamd improving due to spatial constraintsmeaningless sentence. reword this into something legible>If powering the planet could be done with infinite space and no losses sure, solar is greatyou dont need infinite space unless you need infinite power, the numbers have been ran already and you need to "solar" a very small percentage of earth to fully power it (this should be obvious, the sun already heats the whole earth and drives the wind and rain)>lossesyou have losses with every method of generation. solar is no exception to anything >But I can also build a turbine powered by jogging on a treadmill and just employ millions of energy slavesno you cant, you have to feed those slavesfor every wh you get out of it you have to put at least as many whs (you measure in calories though) back into it >>529305400these did exist (solar city was one) but they lose either to liability or being ran by a schizo >>529305513different argument (you believe in a firmament, right?) but gasses dont just drift away. you need orbital velocity to leave earths orbit, else you just "fall" back down. no gas has this velocity unless it gets lucky with solar rays or micrometeorites, greenhouse gasses are no exception
>>529305481i live in sunny fucking southern california and the only thing people know about local solar companies is that they scam old people and destroy your roof. new schools that get built dont even have solar panels. i know one school that put solar panels over the parking lot and none of the buildings for some reason
>>529305331why is solar utterly retarded?>But I can also build a turbine powered by jogging on a treadmill and just employ millions of energy slaves, but what's the fucking pointan olympic cyclist can't even power a hair dryer
Also batteries are shaite. The tech has stagnated completely and these things are costly and deteriorate fast. In a time where people could use more power in a compact package these "solid state batteries" are nowhere to be found, not even in military technology. They have been spewing out "news" about how these marvelous new batteries are "just around the corner" for over a decade. Read between the lines and all the progress is minuscule at best.WOW THESE NEW BATTERIES HAVE 5% MORE CAPACITY, BUT TAKES AN ADDITIONAL DAY TO CHARGE COMPARED TO THE OLD ONES EHRMAGERD THIS IS HECKIN' AWESOME I'M GONNA INVEST 10 MILLION DOLLARS INTO YOUR AWESOME AND PROMISING HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED GREEN COMPANY.
>>529302825I paid $6500 for 6.6w of solar and $8000 for 12.8KW of battery. My power bill went from about $120 a month to basically $0 plus connection fee which is about $1.25 per day.My connection fee is more than offset by my solar feed in despite significant increases in power use in the house. The ROI on the whole system is about 7 years(Inc performance degradation calculations) and that assumes current power costs don't increases.Of course they always increase so roi is probably more like 5 years even though I have a warranty of 10 years in the battery and 20 years on the solar.Your mileage may vary depending on your circumstances but there's no doubt that for me, the benefits are fucking astronomical. Do the math, figure it out. Only niggers can't plan for tomorrow
>>529302825There is about 610,000 metric tons of silver left in to mine, we consume about 37,000 metric tons a year.610,000/37,000 = 16.4We have 16 and a half years of silver still left that is easily mineable.There is 2.8 billion mectric tons of copper left that can be easily mined. We consume about 19 million metric tons a year if you exclude recycling.2,800,000,000/19,000,000 = 147We have a century and a half of copper left to mine at current consumption rates. If we keep increasing green energy infrastructure/tech production, then it will run out even faster. We need to just admit that electrification and digitization of our world isn't sustainable. Midwits can argue solar this, oil that, but every resource that we need for modern society is fleeting. The best thing to do now is just start to condition people to accept more rustic conditions, we need to eat the chicken eggs and drink the goat milk all cooked on a wood fuel stove.
At 30cents a kilowatt, I don't give a shit if solar is bad or good, i installed it myself and it was dirt cheap, makes me run my ac and everything for free all summer long. My next car will probably be electric since my diesel keeps shitting itself up over taking short trips, and generally costs less taxes to drive an ev.
>>529303870>Also good luck driving your old "manual" car when no insurance provider will cover it due to the statistical danger.Retarded assertion considering pretty much all auto insurance providers will insure cars that are several decades old even if they don't have safety features.
>>529305808interesting, could you link me up where I could reliably read more on this?
>>529306330>>529305808You do not have to anymore, thanks thohttps://www.herobullion.com/how-much-silver-is-in-the-world/
>>529302825He’s right, I bought a stack of panels fromchina last year and set them up on my property, maybe a couple thousand verses free electricity and extra money for overproduction. It even makes crypto mining profitable during the summer here and I’m in Canada.Green energy being a partisan issue is really stupid, there is zero reason to be an anti-solar absolutist.
>>529306118Now that Chinese cars are incoming here, I’m looking to buy one as a second car and selling my current petrol one, just keeping my truck for long distance trips and as a backup.
>>529305808You can recycle old tech to get these minerals back, you cant recycled burnt petrol.
>>529306175Even today insurance providers offer better rates for cars that report your driving profile, meaning TODAY you ALREADY pay more for driving "manual". That's going to keep increasing until "manual" cars are unaffordable. Then they will stop covering them entirely for liability reasons.
>>529305808If we listened to you Geofags and your fucking retarded projections we would have hit Peak Oil in 2010 and we'd be running out now. You're literally ignoring everything. Just for example there probably 16 million tons of it in the worlds oceans. 0.5 parts per billion, there also just about every other metal there and we can filter it all out. So that becomes a non issue in the next 100 years. Then you have the fact that in 30 years you could see people bringing in asteroids in Lagrange Points to mine them for all the Platinum Group materials so we're already on a it doesn't matter trajectory.And I won't even start with the fact that 70% of the Earths Crust is under oceans a https://www.reuters.com/science/japan-retrieves-rare-earth-mud-deep-seabed-test-mission-2026-02-02/Let alone that most of the earth 3~5 km underground hasn't even been probed. This shit it's all going to get technologically fixed just like Oil was with Shale oil. After Shale Oil we have Thorium Nuclear Power to convert just about every fucking ton of Coal in the world to liquid. The chances of our civilization running out of anything is basically Zero.
>>529302825Solar fag here. They are good if you buy the right kind of panel and install yourself and dont have retarded codes and laws that make it impossible to install.They are good for home use as a means of being self sustainable. Solar panels are however, NOT a valid solution for powering dense urban cities. Just a total fiction. Can't possibly have enough panels to power somewhere like NYC without major leaps in tech such as viable window-panels to replace skyscraper windows, and even then that would take 100+ years to come to fruition.
>>529302867You mean 10 gens.You would need to at least increase the energy density of storage by a factor of 10 to be worthwhile.Out of 20 litres of diesel I can get more energy than out of 200-300kg worth of batteries.What the batteries excel at is providing a high current.>>529302825NoYou need about 2m2 for roughly 450W output under ideal conditions.That might be good as a roof for an electric wheelchair chair.Those have electric motors in a range of 300-600W, with maybe extremely strong one being 900W.For a large car they are a nice extra to help keep batteries topped up and provide power to additional small stuff.Especially if you are in a big jeep in the desert 2-3 on the roof can help supply power to save on fuel and so on.Yet that is not a normal scenario.
>>529302825wasn't there a house that caught on fire because of the solar panels?
>>529305170>it is for this discussion, pumping causes just as much enviromental harm as digging a holeNo it doesn't. Not even close.>why not? i posted about nickel iron batteries already and how they last basically forever (just as a coal plant lasts basically forever).Nickel-iron are not viable for grid storage or evs they are too inefficient. Nickel-iron batteries are over a century old. If they were viable for those applications they would already be in use. >why not? everything can either be directly ran from electricity and the things that cant can be run from chemical fuels made with electricity. Replacing fossil fuels entirely is simply not possible with today's current technology. They do not provide baseload power and we lack the technology for grid storage. Then there is the enormous amount of land required beacuse they have nothing like the energy density of fossil fuels. It would require 400-500% increases in mining for certain minerals. The environmental destruction would be immense. There is a certain subset of people like you who care about climate change but don't actually care about the environment or if they do wave away environmental problems by claiming some techno fix is on the horizon. Right now we are in a mass extinction event. The seas are being denuded of life by huge chinese fishing fleets, forests are being cleared for ever more farmland to feed the ever growing hordes of brown consumers, and farmland is being paved over for more housing for those same hordes. The environment is a house of cards and we keep taking out cards. We are on the brink of total collapse.
>>529302867CATL has sodium ion batteries at $40/kWh.
>>529305710>>529306118>>529306490oy vey! think of the oil barons and their shekels! >Also batteries are shaitei promise you have a battery somewhere in your possession >The tech has stagnated completely and these things are costly and deteriorate fasti said they stagnated, the capacity cap has been reached and now we wait for prices to fall >costlynot reallyits a fuel tank that is very cheap to fill back up. maybe the first load costs a lot but when you reuse it the price drops dramatically>degraderead the thread and google "nickel iron battery">these "solid state batteries" are nowhere to be foundtrue, but you dont need to wait for these. its unknown still if theyll even have any advantages. if you are arguing against rnd spending you should think about that a bit more >They have been spewing out "news" about how these marvelous new batteries are "just around the corner" for over a decadeand they probably are. they exist but are absurdly expensive and offer no benefit. the trick is to make them cheap and have specific advantages>Read between the lines and all the progress is minuscule at besttrue>THESE NEW BATTERIES HAVE 5% MORE CAPACITYpretty good actually, but likely wont happen anymore >BUT TAKES AN ADDITIONAL DAY TO CHARGE COMPARED TO THE OLD ONEStypically they are charged slowly so that they dont overheat and burn up. imagine filling up your car when the pump pressure is 300psi>HEAVILY SUBSIDIZEDless so than mining companies kek>>529305808eh this is all true but its a bit misleading especially as you exclude recycling. as the mines diminish the prices will go up and will incentivise recycling in a big way. if it costs you 220 for a kilo of copper ore and only 180 for a kilo of copper from ewaste its no secret what theyll do>just start to condition people to accept more rustic conditionstrue, and likely there will be a war to exacerbate this but in the meantime wouldnt you rather do less "permanent" damage to the earth?
>>529302825buy an ad>>>/trash/
>>529303248>he's definitely a faggot>he's not too bright eitherThis anon hasn't put 2 and 2 together yet that faggots are faggots because they are brain damaged.
>>529306625you're an absolute retard if you use one of those app tracking """discount""" deals. it will never be cheaper, you just gave the kikes carte blanche to increase your bill. gg
>>529303753wrong post, there's a finite amount of resources we need for batteries and pv. After that we can recycle them forever. Atoms don't get lost, except for truly negligible amounts that get dispersed on the surface. Eg. how does a solar panel lose atoms? Wind and rain, a tiny fraction gets washed out and goes into nearby dirt.It's just a matter of future energy input, at some point recycling old solar panels and batteries will be cheaper than mining, with mining still existing but an increasingly less important sourceThe only way it can be not true is if Earth starts to mass produce materials that are then sent into space, but at that point we are probably going to get some space mining going on too.
>>529302825EVERY FUCKING DAY THIS THREAD
>>529306873>No it doesn't. Not even close.how not? you forgot to put some reasons why>Nickel-iron are not viable for grid storage or evs they are too inefficientwhy not? again no reasons>evsyeah sure, i can agree here >Nickel-iron batteries are over a century oldjust wait until you find out how old crude oil is, or your internal combustion engine or coal power>If they were viable for those applications they would already be in useperfect world fallacy, but they are actually in use already. its just not politically viable to do it on a country wide scale yet >Replacing fossil fuels entirely is simply not possible with today's current technologyat least you provided a why this time but you are still wrong >They do not provide baseload powerbaseload power is a marketing term, and yes batteries are the perfect "baseload" power solution>lack the technology for grid storagewe do and i told you about it but you didnt accept it. we are at an impasse>enormous amount of land requiredhow enormous? post numbers >energy density of fossil fuelsthis doesnt matter at all for any grid tied installation. no one cares if their battery is the size of a fridge or a shipping container if its positioned on the other side of the country >It would require 400-500% increases in mining for certain mineralsa very temporary increase, but so be it. why is this a bad thing?>The environmental destruction would be immenseoh, this is why its bad? the environmental destruction caused by fossil fuels is much greater>Right now we are in a mass extinction eventcaused by... what exactly? >The seas are being denuded of life by huge chinese fishing fleetsnothing to do with the thread topic >forests are being cleared for ever more farmlandnothing to do with thread topic >farmland is being paved over for more housing for those same hordesnothing thread topic >The environment is a house of cards and we keep taking out cardswhy not take the last one out then?
>>529306330https://pubs.usgs.gov/periodicals/mcs2026/mcs2026-silver.pdfhttps://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-much-copper-has-been-found-worldheres the source for the reserves.>>529306701Oil is a bit different because you can pump it out of the ground. Minerals have to be mined out, that 3-5 kms would have to be mined through to gain the ores, and mining under the sea would be an absolute cluster fuck. Is more ore there, yes. Is it cost effective to mine it, no. There will always be industry now that we have the tech, but it will be so expensive that the average joe won't take much part in it.>>529306906I did include the current recycling rate for copper, and yes the increase in price would cause more of that to occur, but by that point the mining supply would be running thin. As for silver, a lot of bullion will end up in the hands of the industry once the price increases. Actually it's happening right now to the point where the refineries are overloaded. But recycling is a bit tricky in the long term for silver, because how much of it goes into unrecoverable forms, like burn cream.
>>529302825nigger faggot
>>529302825Hybrids are good. Full EV isn't worth it yet.My hybrid is awesome because I get much farther than petrol per $ and I also don't have to "plug in" my car. (Gay until we figure out instant charging)
>>529302867Even if we have the battery improvements (doubtful it will ever happen) we still need to spend an insane amount of money in electric distribution infrastructure to charge all that shit. It is useful in certain applications but a complete dead end when we want to apply everywhere.
>>529302825Pic rel is my fold out panel that I just got last week. haven't tested it yet because i still have to buy the battery, but it looks good qual
>>529304057>how can you not believe in man made climate change? which do you deny:How about the part where any even slightly concerning scenario for the next few centuries requires jamming a """CLIMATE SENSITIVITY""" Big Science mongoloid factor into their models that they have no way of calculating or estimating or even arguing it makes sense in the first place. Never you mind, Science to the rescue, even though all the models with their ice core samples and tree rings have been wrong utterly every step of the way. No let's just go geo-engineer the fucking planet and redirect a few trillion dollars of economic activity. Power obsessed death cult
>>529302825my gut is telling me that electric cars are shit, but panels might be good if you're campingi like petrol because you can go as far as you want and refilling is instant, charging a car is hard and isnt doable with solar itselfsolar is good by itself for appliances and lighting and shit thoughif we could charge electric cars with solar faster then yeah theyd probably win but right now the panels just arent strong enough for that
i always laugh at retards sitting in car parks waiting hours for their cars to charge on the EV chargercouldnt be me with a 400W panel its like 60+ full days worth of sun to charge a tesla one timeridiculous
jerry can goes in a tank in 30 seconds 30 seconds vs 60 days on solar for a refuel is stupid and retarded and is an obvious answer
>>529302867And even if the batteries are fine you are going to be stuck with an obsolescent overpriced electronics-rigged bloatware that you cannot truly own, modify or repair.And safety regulations make sure that no company can simply sell a platform that you can individually build upon without adding useless functions and spyware.
>>529307090>how not? you forgot to put some reasons whySee >>529307189>Nickel-iron are not viable for grid storage or evs they are too inefficientwhy not? again no reasonsI said they are less efficient. They are about 60% efficient compared to around 90% for lithium ion. That means you lose about 40% of the energy you put in. Nickel-iron also self discharges losing 20-30% per month while idle.They are also slow to charge and have low specific power (they can't respond to large demand spikes). They are simply not viable for grid storage.>this doesnt matter at all for any grid tied installation. no one cares if their battery is the size of a fridge or a shipping container if its positioned on the other side of the countryThey wouldn't be the size of a fridge or shipping container if it were nickel-iron. To match a shipping container sized lithium ion battery you'd need a small warehouse. You don't understand how it is all interconnected. No environmental problem stands on its own. Climate change is merely a symptom of a much wider malaise. We are causing disregulation of all the planets life supporting systems. For example deforestation not only drives climate change by losing a carbon sink and releasing carbon dioxide, but by also reducing future carbon absorption, it also disrupts water and nutrient cycles, there is loss of habitat driving more biodiversity loss and so on. Environmental problems cannot be looked at in isolation. And underlying all environmental problems is human overpopulation and overconsumption. We continually consume more and require ever more energy. Whatever technological fixes you propose are not keeping up and cannot keep up. Without addressing the underlying issues we will keep causing more and more disregulation until collapse.
>and next I'll rant about some irrelevant shit
>>529305571>glowshill feigning ignoranceobviously I mean the density of power generated per size of operation for a power planet is much higher for nuclear energy and obviously zero point energy is entirely theoretical although there are claims that it had been 'discovered'' or utilized by the military in test crafts.Regardless, nuclear is more power dense than many many hectares of solar and you're being a disingenuous faggot. Which dumb political party do you work for that just got more china money to sling solar bullshit at people? or are you just chinese?
>>529305658the material cost of running solar over time is almost equal to the energy saved by using it in the first year before it loses (appx) 30% efficiency and declines from there until being a useless hunk of mercury and plastic on your roof. Not to mention do you know that heat is a failure conditional for solar panels? what a rort
>>529308292power plant*not planet
>Energy is now a political issue
>>529302867Batteries have been effectively stuck where they are now for several decades. The new "improvements" being rolled out now are discoveries from the 60's to 80's that weren't economical for production because alkaline cells were just so much cheaper. Barring magic scifi materials, or magic scifi knowledge falling into out laps batteries are prettt much already at the limit of what the current laws of thermodynamics will allow.
>>529302825He's always been a faggot. It took me like two videos to figure out he was a reddit faggot that didn't really care about reality and to avoid his videos.Even if he brings up some good data every once in a while, it's followed up by presenting his opinions as fact based on some reddit post.
>>529305386>muh jewbook comic villianfuck off christkike, grown-ups are talking.
>>529307818you didnt pick one of the options and just fully dove into a schizo rant >>529307826>>529307858>>529307897funny how your gut feeling is aligning perfectly with the goys at the top >with a 400W panel its like 60+ full days worth of sun to charge a teslaits probably about half that, but remember that you can have much larger panels than just 400w>>529308178>See >>529307189hes just saying that minerals and metals have to be mined. so does coal and oil. that post says nothing about why mining aluminium and nickel is worse for the environment than mining coal and oil>They are about 60% efficient compared to around 90% for lithium ionwhat does this mean? that you can only get 60% back out? thats just not true and youll have to post a source >Nickel-iron also self discharges losing 20-30% per month while idletrue, but i addressed this earlier here (>>529305571) in the first line i typed>They are also slow to charge and have low specific power>slowthey can take all day to charge, totally fine>low specific poweri assume you mean they cant put out as many amps? they can if the battery design is well thought out. youll have to put some numbers on this>To match a shipping container sized lithium ion battery you'd need a small warehouseok sure, no one cares if its the size of a fridge or a shipping container or a warehouse. also you can easily look up the energy density and see that youre lying again your last paragraph is something that i would have typed because it supports my argument. you say that climate change loses us a carbon sink? oh well maybe we should stop putting carbon in the air via burning fossil fuel. i know we keep consuming more and that eventually no matter the power source we will consume everything, but we can consume more and do it safer if we switch to renewables. the sun heats the earth anyway, why not harvest it? why do you advocate for just wasting the biggest power source in the solar system?
>>529308599>you didnt pick one of the options and just fully dove into a schizo rantWhich apparently you can't address, even though I spelled my problem out perfectly. Why didn't you put that particular option in your list? Ever read anything of anyone who disagrees with climate modeling or are just too busy shilling solar?I hate you people so much it's unreal.
>>529307189Actual good faith argument for fossil fuels and nuclear that justifies the increased costs.Never thought id see it on fucking pol of all places. Digesting new information now.
>>529307189thanks bro
>>529307189What average joe partakes in the mining industry huh? I totally don't understand your comment. You think I can go and mine anything? Mining has since the absolute start been the thing of giga conglomerates and nations. From the Copper and Tin mines in the Ancient times all the way to todays Chinese Rare Earth Mines. At no point in history did the average joe mine or produce anything of any value on a wide scale. Every mine was a strategic asset guarded and protected. And every mine was for it's time a marvel of human technology. Hell romans had shit like lex metallis dicta
>>529302825Electic cars are fine for some use cases (can charge at home, don't travel long distance so much, not enthusiast for combustion cars).Solar is fine, too (you do actually get your money back in the lifetime of the panel and more).
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>>529308656you spelled shit out perfectly. which concerning senario? what do you mean by """""CLIMATE SENSTIVITY""""? who is big science and what do mongols have to do with it? what do the mongols have no way of calculating? science to the rescue? i hope so, thats why im in this thread. ice core samples? tree rings? how are these wrong? are you saying ice cores dont exist? are you saying that ice cant form with bubbles in it and that the air inside the bubbles can be measured? what do tree rings have to do with climate science? lets geo engineer the planet? no im advocating for that to not happen. i dont want the composition of the atmosphere to change, but you apparently do if you want more oil to be burned. redirect trillions? you mean the trillions that shekelburg has tied up in oil? why wouldnt you want that taken away from them? its a meaningless post and youll have to type something with substance to it if you want a genuine reply>>529308925must be a day ending in y
>>529302825I watched the video a while back, and he's mostly correct.
>goodtheir main problem is a bunch of redditors overhyping them like they're the solution to every single issue instead of niche products.A couple solar panels on your roof will reduce your electric bill, help out in an emergency if you live in some place where the grid is so shit day-long blackouts are a thing you worry about, or power small devices here and there so you don't have to draw a cable to some shack on the other end of your property.An EV will be great if you're some suburban middle class guy with a desk job who mostly goes to the same three or four places every day and never have to carry anything heavy with it, or for certain jobs. A ton of taxis are Teslas now because the lower maintenance and fuel costs outweigh the customers you lose while it recharges.That's completely fine but those retards insist they're the future and force us to compare the cybertruck to a regular Toyota and a solar farm to a nuclear power plant like it makes sense.
>>529308957>its a meaningless post and youll have to type something with substance to it if you want a genuine replyApparently you don't understand why climate modeling and climate sensitivity are problems scientifically, which means you've never actually looked into the science behind the models, since those are their essential ingredients. How are ice core samples and tree rings wrong? They are wrong because the models predict certain things like temperature based on those proxies and they don't agree with each other. This has also been known for decades but it's apparently the first time you're hearing from it. Geo-engineering the planet like plastering a "tiny portion" of it with solar panels. Only a small % of the entire surface required! You know, since the sun is already warming the planet anyway. Redirect trillions yeah, like the trillions that people use to live, which you will have to change usage of if you want to get off the cheap oil. Which the governments have already been doing. Which you know but snarkily choose to ignore. What kind of money goes around in the "green" industry do you think? Or you could just go back to plebbit and go kill yourself of course. It's not like any kind of conversation is possible with a smug self-righteous shill. Especially one who has no clue what the "scientific" debate is actually about. In a just world all the james hansens and michael mann's of the world will spend the rest of their natural lives in a small cell. You could join them there. >Ehh actually anon those things are not what I'm in this thread to talk about so instead I'm going to ignore what you mean and post some snark instead. Didn't you mention Mongols? Lol?
>>529302825>I believe in the value of labor>that's why I want unlimited illegal underpaid slaveslolLMAO
>>529309082meanwhile in real life your fridge shows you adverts
>>529302825https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadiumThe reason we are failing with electronics is because US banks make more if China manufactures everything, ultimately even if the US invents some uber amazing tech, the only way it will ever be made is in China since US banks are too addicted to investing in get rich quick scam instead of sustainable and steady revenue producing industries. This effectively locks US manufacturers out of the market and gives China a military advantage over the US. The fact that banks amhave aligned with China should just flat tell us all that the US is compromised by China on all levels and we will continue to sabotage ourselves to be at the mercy of Chinese power.
>>529302825Couldn't watch more than 10 seconds of this faggot, but to answer your question, they're good for personal use depending on where you live, but completely fail on a national scale. You can't run major industry off of only renewables and electric vehicles. The irony there is that to make solar panels, you need to use fossil fuels. Everything from the mining, transportation of materials, to the refining and manufacturing of it. Electric vehicles also fail in this scenario, where you have mining equipment running 24/7. Electric trains exists, but trucks aren't viable. A lot of mining takes place in areas without built up infrastructure and thus rely on trucks to transport. Then it all goes onto ships that also use fuel because we're scared to smelt things in western countries because of pollution. So yes, we're always going to be excited to find oil so long as we continue to enjoy the benefits of modern technology.
>>529302825>Based turbo tech autist vs the Seppo Flag jew shitposter
He conveniently missed out the part where he has to heat his garage 24/7 from fall to spring, just to keep the car battery functioning.
>>529311394but that debunks his entire narrative because he probably burns natural gas or uses grid energy which is largely powered by coal
>>529302825i don't even need to know who this is or what he's about but i can tell you when solar panels and electric cars and involved and some dumb kike nigger is trying to shill them as good then he's 100% a nigger faggot.
>>529303080This.Unfortunately any car sold now is "smart".
>>529311394This is the entire problem with the LCA industry in a spiffy nutshell. I swear they have resurrect marxist labor cost calculations in the form of carbon footprints. The similarities are uncanny.
