Catholicism vs Protestantism part 2Part 1 here >>532259762
All cuckery
>>532309222This is a fair position for Jesus to take. A stoning would be a permanent condemnation. We should lift one another up and have the humility to recognize that we have our failings as others do. No elitism or condemnation, only supporting one another to be better. You're missing the part where Jesus, after, tells the woman to stop being a whore. >>532308287Protestantism is false and divides within itself even. There is unity in the Catholic Church. And respect to Orthodoxy. Our differences are ecclesial and dealing with high notions beyond what the lay would attend to.
>>532309570All lies and bullshit. Read the book.
>>532308287Again, we run into the same problem with your last spam thread: you refuse to elaborate on the main points of your shitty protestant bookThose of us who read have tens of books in our backlog and those of us that don't read won't read your shitty book anyway.Therefore, please provide a point by point qrd on what you found interesting
>>532310237No in the last thread I provided examples that people asked for and then they were too lazy to address them
>>532310237Also you are beneath me filthy third worlder
>>532310411From what I could gather, you posted low rez pics of some pages. No effort at all
>>532310467You should make the effort, "first worlder" lmfao
>>532310494Fucking moron I provided scans as well as translations to english
>>532308287is there a "I won't worship a Jew on a stick" denomination of Christianity? If so I'll join that one
>>532310762Nobody needs you
>>532309222kek brvtalChristianity's continued existence is basically dependent on Christians being functionally illiterate or completely spiritually incurious and never actually reading the Bible (at least any deeper than some phone app with feelgood daily verses or some shit)
>>532311058What happens if you're wrong and end up in hell?
>>532308287Israel will cease to exost within 3 years. All anti-christ will go to Hell.
>>532308287Sure thing, rabbihttps://www.reuters.com/world/belgium-deploys-soldiers-reinforce-security-jewish-sites-2026-03-23/
>>532311142>>532311129>>532311058>>532310494>>532309222why kikes are getting so desperate now ? lolhttps://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/03/world/middleeast/pope-iran-war.html
>>532309716I will don't waste my time reading protestant nigger apologetics tier attacking catholicsm kys already, kike, shit book
>>532310536read these efforts cocksucker (you wont)532266813532266899532266908532267225532267240532267254532267307532267339532267445532267458
>>532308287So tell me, how books that were approved by Catholic Church can deny it?Let's say they do. It means CC did not have right to make them cannon in first place. Which means you cannot use them. SO you arrive at paradox.
>>532311330So do you believe what the Bible says or no?
>>532311428Yes, and the oral traditions too, since it complement each other, the bible is not the only source of authority and christian teaching/history, only a protestant nigger will find contradictions with the apostolic churches (catholic or orthodox)
>>532311390go back to your golem death cult already, imagine thinking that a church created in 1500 was true christianity kek
>>532311425English motherfucker
>>532311129Why are you asking this for kikes ? they don't care, they think they can transfer their sins to a chicken and be saved lol their entire sect is a scam and try to fool god, same goes to wicked pagancucks and neoatheists... they all come from the same rot or source, that is Kikery, the revolutionary spirit
CREDO IN UNUM DEUM,PATREM OMNIPOTENTEM,FACTOREM CAELI ET TERRAE,VISIBILIUM OMNIUM ET INVISIBILIUM,ET IN UNUM DOMINUM IESUM CHRISTUM,FILIUM DEI UNIGENITUM,ET EX PATRE NATUM, ANTE OMNIA SAECULA,DEUM DE DEO, LUMEN DE LUMINE,DEUM VERUM DE DEO VERO,GENITUM, NON FACTUM, CONSUBSTANTIALEM PATRI:PER QUEM OMNIA FACTA SUNT.QUI PROPTER NOS HOMINES ET PROPTER NOSTRAM SALUTEM DESCENDIT DE CAELIS.ET INCARNATUS EST DE SPIRITU SANCTOEX MARIA VIRGINE, ET HOMO FACTUS EST.CRUCIFIXUS ETIAM PRO NOBIS SUB PONTIO PILATO;PASSUS ET SEPULTUS EST,ET RESURREXIT TERTIA DIE, SECUNDUM SCRIPTURAS,ET ASCENDIT IN CAELUM, SEDET AD DEXTERAM PATRIS.ET ITERUM VENTURUS EST CUM GLORIA,IUDICARE VIVOS ET MORTUOS,CUIUS REGNI NON ERIT FINIS.ET IN SPIRITUM SANCTUM, DOMINUM ET VIVIFICANTEM. QUI EX PATRE FILIOQUE PROCEDIT.QUI CUM PATRE ET FILIO SIMUL ADORATUR ET CONGLORIFICATUR::QUI LOCUTUS EST PER PROPHETAS..ET UNAM, SANCTAM, CATHOLICAM ET APOSTOLICAM ECCLESIAM.CONFITEOR UNUM BAPTISMA IN REMISSIONEM PECCATORUM..ET EXSPECTO RESURRECTIONEM MORTUORUM,ET VITAM VENTURI SAECULI.AMEN.
protestant freemasons installed an obamanoid pope in the vatican , this is a false dichotomy and we should instead focus on the great purge of the obamanoids
>>532311862You and all other cucked catholics larping as trad chads are truly pathetic. Bow down to the bridge builder in the rabbit hat
>>532311129that risk is true of all religions, for an agnostic
Thank good i am not a luther or calvin christnigger...https://x.com/jbendery/status/2040113195986116699
why cant christniggers just get along
>>532312907Because catholics are the most arrogant retards who need to be exterminated
>>532313113You posted some low rez pics of some pages of your shitty book with your gay, cum-encrusted protestant cellphone camera and expected anyone to give a fuck
>>532313113You're the arrogant one if you think Catholics should be exterminated. That's really harsh.
>>532309570>There is unity in the Catholic Churchno there is not lmaocatholics always seethe about vatican II
>>5323111291 John 513 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. we are to know that we are saved. there s no worrying about going to hell.
>>532312907Because it requires submitting to an authority and one is a human institution and teaching authority while the other is a text with no guide how to interpret. Take that with a long history of abuse from bad actors in the groups and you get the situation now. The violence was mostly resolved by brokering a peace by separation of silencing religious discussion and so the situation hasn't gotten fully resolved. >>532314150And they are either still with the church or are a very small group that the church is trying to keep within the fold despite their fighting. >>532310411I have been away. Please share a page for me.
>>532314537>other is a text with no guide how to interpretthe guide is the Holy Spirit.
>>532314982You can't reasonably discern in the moment if the judgements are the holy spirit, our own understanding of words and grammer, or something else within ourselves. And that true believers are necessarily are driven to the whole truth is demonstratively false as:1. Protestantism is more divided in understanding than any other branch of Christian despite heavy religious fervor 2. We see disagreements in interpretation of the texts by saints/historically revered church fathers. St. Augustine believed Jesus to be the rock that Jesus spoke of in regards to the church, while St. Cyprian understood it to be Peter.
>>532316027>1. Protestantism is more divided in understanding than any other branch of Christian despite heavy religious fervorin secondary and tertiary issues maybe. the core tenets are the same.>St. Augustine believed Jesus to be the rock that Jesus spoke of in regards to the church, while St. Cyprian understood it to be Peter.context makes the difference.Jesus took his disciples to a major pagan worship site and Jesus declared on the forces of darkness and satan in that presence. he declared these pagan religions abolished and says he will use his Church to do so. after that he openly talks about his death because he knew the consequences of his declaration.it was an open attack on satan and his system, it was game on from then on.
>>532308287>Catholicism vs ProtestantismIsraeli takfirism astroturfing.
>>532316566>>532316566Core tenets are not the same. The 5 solas aren't uniform between denominations, and Calvinism is starkly different from other forms. Sola scriptural b prima scriptural, synergistic salvation v sola fide. And that there are secondary issue differences to text should be proof enough. And no, context doesn't explain two people defining a word in a text two different ways here. So we have no ground to stand on that the holy spirit will guide everyone from any walk of life to the same interpretation. Even if the condition was being a 'true believer',we have no way to discern that between people if we see differences between our honored early church fathers.
>>532317572there is no way to know who has received the Holy Spirit and who hasnt.thats why we are to look at the fruits.
>>532317757We can find piety by its fruits, yes, but we cannot judge the fruits of piety to see if they should be trusted, hence my comparison between two early church fathers
>>532319231it should be clear from the scriptures who of the both is correct.
>>532319398>It should beAnd yet two early church fathers disagreed on who was the rock of the church. A lot of your argument rests on presumptions. The Protestant take is wrong and the division between them is the fruits of it.
>>532319606that just shows that the church fathers were fallible like all other men and we should follow rather the scriptures than their teachings and traditions.
All Christians agree that the church is a continuation of the Israel of the Old Testament. Israel in the Old Testament is clearly seen decaying and in need of reform on many different occasions. Nothing has changed. We are the Catholic Church, cleansed of its corruption by the pure gospel.
All American started Protestant churches are Dispensationalist, and therefore, Zionist. Any American attending protestant churches are likely committed to Israel
>>532319707This>"The holy and inspired Scriptures are fully sufficient for the proclamation of the truth." St. Athanasius, 360 AD>"Whatever is not supported by the testimony of Scripture we reject as false.” Gregory of Nyssa, De Cognitione Dei, pg. 46:1115, 380 AD>"Believe me not in whatsoever I shall simply deliver, unless thou find the things which I shall speak, demonstrated out of the holy Scriptures.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 4.17: 348AD>"We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers. What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of Scripture." St. Basil 370 ADTraditionally it has been known that the Scriptures are the final authority for all questions of dogma. The church fathers speak extensively of this.
>>532319707Again, presumptuous. And nonsensical. You have no ground to stand on that they didn't check scripture. They're citing a specific passage. Same as if I said "I'm not calling you stupid", depending on which word I choose to emphasize the meaning of the sentence is different. But you can't tell emphasis in the text so you don't know. Your position is that God will guide people who read it right but I have shown you that your own branch of Christianity and also revered early church fathers are evidence against this being a uniform rule. It's not the case. And even the scriptures say to listen to sources outside scripture. Paul in the 2 Thess tells people to listen to teachings. If you interpret that as learned views of scripture or oral traditions, it's still not your position that the source should only be scripture.
>"There comes a heathen and says, I wish to become a Christian, but I know not whom to join: there is much fighting and faction among you, much confusion: which doctrine am I to choose? How shall we answer him? Each of you asserts, 'I speak the truth!' No doubt: this is in our favor. For if we told you to be persuaded by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian; if any fight against them, he is far from this rule." >John Chrysostom If Romanism was always true, why does Saint Chrysostom not appeal for the heathen to follow the opinion of the Roman pontiff? If the pope or the magisterium of Rome is the final authority of all dogma, why does Chrysostom not point to them? Rather we can see he points to scripture as the ultimate authority over any bishop. Furthermore, he implores the heathen to use personal judgement based upon the scriptures. Sola Scriptura has always been the dominant opinion of the fathers, as we see here and in many other places.
>>532320420>And even the scriptures say to listen to sources outside scriptureyeah, please quote the scriptures on that.it tells us to look out for false teachers and doctrines of demons.
>>532320657>>532320116My first quote says the Paul quote I mentioned. Saint John Chrysostom“[Paul commands,] ‘Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter’ [2 Thess. 2:15]. From this it is clear that they did not hand down everything by letter, but there is much also that was not written. Like that which was written, the unwritten too is worthy of belief. So let us regard the tradition of the Church also as worthy of belief. Is it a tradition? Seek no further”Saint Basil the Great “Of the dogmas and messages preserved in the Church, some we possess from written teaching and others we receive from the tradition of the apostles, handed on to us in mystery. In respect to piety, both are of the same force. No one will contradict any of these, no one, at any rate, who is even moderately versed in matters ecclesiastical. Indeed, were we to try to reject unwritten customs as having no great authority, we would unwittingly injure the Gospel in its vitals; or rather, we would reduce [Christian] message to a mere term”Saint Augustine“But in regard to those observances which we carefully attend and which the whole world keeps, and which derive not from Scripture but from Tradition, we are given to understand that they are recommended and ordained to be kept, either by the apostles themselves or by plenary councils, the authority of which is quite vital in the Church”
>>532320998>"There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source." Hippolytus of Rome, Against Noetus
>>532320501Because the structure of the early church was weak and, moreover, he is trying to give a baseline for calling yourself Christian to cut through issues in the community. If you follow the scriptures and is message is sufficient to declare your identity as Christian. It's not a substitute for dealing with the larger details though. Sola scriptura is a 16th century creation to handle a practical problem with ecclesial abuse.
i used to miss arguing with prots after they started banning the threads. right now i don't feel anything.
>>532321415Yes I have already mentioned the divide of the early church on issues in regards to scripture. This sides with my position that scriptural interpretation vary and not everyone will be led the same way. Then we have the issue of how the early church knew the scripture was scripture when other books that were false existed at the time. How we know for certain is that the teaching authority of the church declared it, creating it as a canon.
>>532321415Wrote a book called "The Apostolic Tradition" pushing for a return to Traditions the Apostles held.Also wrote in depth about the Eucharist and Bishops.
>The Apostolic Tradition, if it is the work of Hippolytus, recorded the first liturgical reference to the Virgin Mary, as part of the ordination rite of a bishop.Huh weird.
>>532309222People will post this and hope you don't bother to read what Jesus said to the woman literally immediately afterwards. Why do anti-Christians feel the need to rely on lies and tricks to make people dislike Christianity? That really activates my almonds.
>>532321510>>532321988>"Do not, I beg you, bring in human reason. I shall yield to Scripture alone." Theodoret of Cyrus, Dialogue 1, 448 ADI see you are arguing from the position of doctrinal development. It's telling to me that Newman is being declared a doctor of the Roman church. They cannot stand on history, so they must appeal to a laughable "development of doctrine" to explain why the Romans of today do not believe in what the fathers taught. Vatican I teaches that dogmas “must never be abandoned... under the pretext of a more profound understanding” and yet here we are. Yet another contradiction amongst many countless others. Those who think the Church Fathers were unanimous in their opinions are gravely mistaken. Some venerated icons. Some were iconoclasts. Some advocated an ecclesiastical government. Others advocated for a presbytery. If you look to tradition you will see conflict and disagreement. The scriptures are the only unchanging factor, the common denominator, the norm that norms all other norms.
>>532308287Christfags just love to divide and conquer themselves over the most dumb shit. Instead of doing something productive together.
>>532322916The pagans are unable to do anything productive under any circumstances. Catholics have built beautiful churches. Orthodox have made wonderful poetry. Protestants have greatly contributed to the arts. Pagans eat cow shit.
>>532322769Why don't you believe in the True Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist like they did?Why don't you have Apostolic Succession and Bishops like the Church Fathers did?
>>532323247Protestants do affirm the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. The only thing the Protestant disagree on is the exact mechanism by which the true presence is transferred into the bread and wine. Lutherans affirm the true presence of the Eucharist as a divine mystery, it's unknown how exactly the bread and wine become His flesh and blood but He clearly says they are His flesh and blood so they must be. Calvinists think it's the real divine presence but only for the elect. This is reflected in the teachings of several church fathers, namely Jerome and Origen. I am not knowledgeable in the Anglican view, but as far as I am aware they affirm the real presence but reject transubstantiation. The only Protestants who reject the real presence in the Eucharist are Baptists, and frankly I don't entirely consider them Protestant because they are radically different than all the others (their view of the Eucharist, lack of infant baptism, etc).The real unifying view amongst the Reformers is that the scriptures don't teach transubstantiation, so to hold it as dogma is wrong. I can't even deny that there is a possibility that transubstantiation is the method by which the bread and wine become the flesh and blood. The scriptures never say it's NOT transubstantiation after all. But Christ was content to not inform us of its exact nature, so I am content to not know. If it was necessary or dogmatic, it would have been told to us plainly in the scriptures.
>>532322769>Development of doctrine as laughableThe scriptures were not in their final state within the lives of the apostles. A canon was not decided in that period too. These are developments of distinctions. Clarifications of the already existing truth. That you cite people who lean on scripture at a time where church authority wasn't as everpresent as it is now doesn't make scripture not scripture because the church authority declared it as the council of hippo regius. The scripture was books between other false books until church teaching raised them up amongst many.
>>532324203This argument comes up from time to time and I never found it compelling. It essentially declared that the dogmas weren't important until they were, but even a position as lukewarm as that is indefensible. Many Roman ecumenical councils claim that their dogmas were always the historical claims of the church, but that simply is not true. Cardinal Newman himself admits that icon veneration was not an apostolic practice, but the Second Council of Nicea specifically states that not only was the practice apostolic, but to even suggest it was not is anathema. The Council of Hieria in 754 rejected icon veneration wholesale. When it comes to the matter of the canon, the Roman canon is actually newer than the Protestant one. The first council that touched on the canon was Carthage, but Protestants and Romans alike acknowledge that was only a regional council, not an ecumenical one. The canon debate raged all the way until the Reformers put their foot down with the 66 book canon, and Rome only dogmatized their own at the Council of Trent AFTER the Reformation.
>>532323082what about the people that eat the stuff that grows on cow shit?
