Why is this idiot test so controversial?Pressing the Red button guarantees survival and has zero downsides. Everybody in this experiment can press the red button and be fine.By comparison, the blue button only permits survival contingent on more than half of the participants choosing the option that risks their lives and promises them nothing in return for it.It could have been more interesting if there was a reward for having a blue majority, but there isn'tIt's just stupid for anyone to chose blue and it's stupid for this idiot test to be such a huge deal that shills need to astroturf every possible board with it.
Why do you fags keep reposting it?
Blue button pushers are not considering their own lives, but the lives of others.
>>534132508the only way to win is not to play.
Idiot test that resolves the same as if everyone was smart instead.
I push the red button but then kill myself anyway for maximum joker aura
>>534132508pressing the blue button is so retarded. Pressing red gives you a 100% chance of surviving. In fact, the ones who pressed the blue button deserves to die just because they are low IQ virtue signaling faggots.
>>534132508
Mods/jannies: all these "push button" threads are promoting a cryptocurrency scam.I know you don't understand it but the scammers do. They're called memecoins and they promote by forcing memes (spamming) on social media.
>>534132508What else is coded red and blue?I don't think it is irrational to draw a conclusion that this is comparable to modern politics you have team red who is only looking out for themselves. Blue team is trying to have everyone's best interest at heart, but it only works everyone is on the same team.
>>534132508Blue button pushers are thinking through an emotional and social lens, they're picking what they perceive to be the best choice that would guarantee their social status remains high, because in their mind, if they press the blue button, then that means they're good people, and if they're good they can have friends and whatnot. Whereas red button pushers are thinking using logic. Logically it makes sense to press the red button, but most people are insecure retards who only care about what people think of them, so they'll happily sacrifice a large portion of the population just to virtue signal to their normie friends for social clout.
>>534132508>I am totally not a low IQ retard for obsessing over a random tweet like this for days no my IQ is high saars!
>>534132508>Holy sht this is literally like the two-party, jewish bankrolled political system in my country. Red = Retulicans (bad guys) Blue = Democrags (Good Guys)
>>534132652because vaxxtards are trying to cope with what happened to the world since 2021
>>534134821hahaha get your boosters faggot hahahaha leftist memes hahahaha
>>534132508Liberal retards vote blue, that's why. They keep coming up with excuses for pressing anything but red and keep trying to emotion bait redfags but yeah, if I could I would let anyone who voted blue die, it's not my fucking problem you are stupid enough to play russian roulette, the world would be better without the low 50% of the IQ bell curve.It's just this all over again btw
>>534134821>I don't want anyone to die>presses the suicide button
>>534132508its just some retarded moral purity test. in reality they risk nothing by making the socially acceptable choice and so they do.
>>534134821>blue is trans people and immigrants and COVID vaccinesBased. I didn't need another reason to choose red, but this is a very compelling argument.
>>534132732If every single person presses red, everyone survives. Blue button pushers are sanctimonious morons who disguise their stupidity as moral integrity. You are not more moral for pushing blue, you are just stupid.
>>534134821>reds are claiming moral superioritynot gonna risk my existence for good goy points
forcedsagememe
>>534134821
>>534132652Some kinda strange midterm propaganda probably made by ai to make zoomer not vote.The only right answer is not playing therefore, not voting.
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>>534132508If it was like 20-30% instead of 50% I think it would be a better question
>>534132508>Pressing the Red button guarantees survival and has zero downsidesThey keep leaving out the fine printthe test isn't anonymous, they make a list of all the red button pressers after the survey ends
>>534132508Red button enjoyers are low iq with nigger levels of selfishness and narcissism>Duuh I live so what do it matter about others???
>>534138597What is a silly little test like this going to tell them that your vaxx status hasn't already made know?
>>534132508>and promises them nothing in return for it.are you retarded?
>>534132652It's fun to talk aboutIt'll keep getting reposted until people are bored of it, if you don't like it you have every tool at your disposal to mute and block the discusisons so that you don't see themor are you a bluetard who needs daddy janny to do it for you?
>>534132732Why do bluetards think 3rd worlders are going to press blue with them?70% of the world is china, india, and africabluetards are fucking stupid
>>534138597Interesting how some of the blue button apologist wish this were the case. In this imaginary aftermath, the bluefags would be out for blood from the people who pressed Red (no matter who they are, mind you, so it was never about people "mistaking" or whatever) instead of acting in retaliation against the organism that placed humankind in the buttom situation in the first place. The more bluefags talk, the worse it gets. It's a shame we don't have a philosophy board, /pol/ is way too unstable and dogmatic for reality contemplation.
>>534132508>It's just stupid for anyone to chose bluethat's quite literally the point
>>534135481>If every single person presses red, everyone survivesthis requires a level of understanding that few twitterfags have>are sanctimonious morons who disguise their stupidity as moral integritysounds familiar
>>534133243That would actually be convincing someone else to push blue with you, then pushing red after they push blue, then killing yourself after they die
>>534134821you got the colors reversed
They should do a real version of this with a phone app or something.>Press red, nothing happens>press blue, you lose $5 unless 50% or more pushed blue in which case no one loses any money.Let's see if the people who voted blue on the poll are willing to risk $5.
anyway just press both buttoms
>>534132508press red = I want 200 million toddlers who are incapable of making a logical decision to dieActual redditors in here baka my head senpai
We tell everyone in India and Africa to press the blue button. Then the rest of us press the red button.
>>534132508Your dads cock is 1 inch inside your ass and your cock is 1 inch inside your mum's pussy. Do you push back or forward to get out?
>>534139240oh well.survival of the fittest, retard
Loads of blue pilled faggots saying they’d rather die than live In world of red pushers now, it’s peak entertainment
>>534139277It's not the fittest if a 2 year old picks the wrong color randomly you retarded murderer. Just stop posting.
>>534132508Individualism is why kikes rule over us - Kikes work as a team, White goyim do not
breh
>>534139277>survival of the fittest, retardConsidering you're rotting on this website, are ok with being exterminated? Because you're clearly not out there spreading your genes and you're clearly not the "fittest"
>>534139403boy you blues sure drop your moral superiority act real quick don't youstay mad you selected yourself out of the genepool lol
>>534139288Why would anyone sane want to live in a world of red-pushers?Sounds like hell on earth.
>>534139521You lost.
Blue pressers simply realize that life isn't worth living if the majority ends up being selfish red pressers
>>534139461Is really like to see this experiment ran with cash incentives, push the red button and you get 100k no matter what. Press the blue button and everyone gets 100k but only if more than half of you vote blue
>>534133644kek that's a good one
>>534139457>boy you blues sure drop your moral superiority act real quick don't youI didn't mean I would harm you, dumbass. Reds are really retarded, isn't it? I argued that if you believe in the survival of the fittest, you should have no problem with being exterminated, since you're clearly not the fittest since you're here instead of impregnating women like "Chad". The toddlers will live. Because fortunately, the majority will press blue.
>>534139571>six continentsyeah>counting north and south america as separated continentsu wut?
>>534139626More like push teh red button and you get 100k while someone else loses 100k.It is ok to press the red button for your own survival but literally no one in this thread understands what pressing the button means. It means you want to fuck over someone else. Those are the consequences.
>>534133644This image makes no sense. Bridges are not buttons. An avocado is not the Earth. If the majority picks red, toddlers, infants, tards, and altruistic people will die.
>>534139359>not one of those countries that ever kicked the tribe out was individualist, collectively think sheep, it is your strength to have no will of your own!There are midwits on this board that will fall for this cryptojews mind games.
>>534139713>counting north and south america as separated continentsIn Brazil we learn that there's Central America, South America and North America, so it's usually counted as 3.
>>534132508>Why is this idiot test so controversial? Irs a psy-op anon. And rhere more i think about it the more its strange you want people to think its just a simple harmless question they NEED to answer.
>>534136480Whats so fun about this meme, is that unlike this faggot meme >>534134821 it is not a satire at all, and that's probably the whole mental process blue button pressers went through. Pure mental illness.
>>534139240>incapable of making a logical decision to dieTest is stupid. It isn't considering people in comas and such. Assumes all the testers will have access to the button, all will be required to vote, and be able to make a decision. You'd be risking your life, by voting blue.
>>534139675If you are mad that someone would pick redYou are not picking blue out of selfless heroism and just being a good person.Blue does not DESERVE to live. That's your enormous sense of entitlement speaking.And your rage is your resentment cultivated from the idea that you are somehow being betrayed by having your own suicidal choice being respected
>>534139803The memeflaggot is right. Jews work as a team, and even with small numbers and small human capital their still winning. Think about it, white people kick their kids out of home when they are 18, Jews come together and help their kids buy properties when they're 18. That's just one of many differences.
>>534139748I don’t want to fuck over anyone else, I want you to press the red button aswell
back in my day we were arguing about blue dresses
>>534139917>rageThe one raging here is you buddy, telling people that toddlers don't deserve to live. You're mentally ill unfortunately.
>>534139917>>534139911>>534139928see>>534139552It's very simple.
>>534139928That's wrong, blues do a lot of somethingsthey're the beating heart of communism and liberalism. They're the ones who want you locked up and vaccinated for your own good. They're the ones who want to spy on everyone and police hatespeech and wrongthink. They're the ones who want to take your guns away. They're the ones who think all of africa deserve to live in your home town.You are quite clearly witnessing blues doing a lot of something in real life.The problem is that their decisions are all incredibly disastrous and suicidal>>534139978The supposed toddlers are not entitled to me saving them. Nor are you.Enjoy your suicide.
>>534140100>>534139928Whoops, my whole post replying to you was actually meant for another thread. Dunno how I got that mixed up lol
>>534140100That's ironic when you're pushing for the biggest abortion wave in the history of mankind.
>>534139552well, that just ruins the whole hypothetical because now half of all kids will die unless blue reaches 50%. Red has a clear downside of causing non-self inflicted death to an innocent person now so blue will win in a landslide with zero issue. This question only matters at all if such vulnerable parties are excluded from its rules.
>>534139917The button scenario is presented as if it just pops into existence for everyone at the same time and there is no time to discuss it with others.There are people I care about who are pretty dumb and may get confused and press the blue button. I don't want them to die.There are a lot of dumb people and a lot of people who care about them. And there is no actual threat to anyone's life in this hypothetical. That is why so many people want to press blue.If they suddenly found themselves alone and presented with the buttons and no idea what anyone else was doing would everyone saying they'd pick blue actually risk their life? I doubt it. But some of them would.
If there's a heaven then the blue button sends you there directly
>>534132652was that dress white or blue
Test
>>534140269>well there being consequences that I can actually understand ruin the questionIt's posted by the same faggot who made the original poll in the OP which brought these shit threads so it is canon. Now answer based on that.
>>534140100>they're the beating heart of communism and liberalism. They're the ones who want you locked up and vaccinated for your own good. They're the ones who want to spy on everyone and police hatespeech and wrongthink. They're the ones who want to take your guns away. They're the ones who think all of africa deserve to live in your home town.Bullshit. You can't just correlated these things as if you knew each of those that picked blue.>The supposed toddlers are not entitled to me saving themJust say what you want to say, say it as it is, "let the toddlers die, I don't care about others", sure, you don't have the obligation of saving someone, but having the opportunity to do it and not taking it shows what kind of person you are, you're spiritually a kike.
>>534140228You still don't understandYou are not entitled to being savedAnd the fact people won't save you makes you resentful, which drives the insane anger and rage you have towards someone picking redYou are the very definition of Nietzsche's slave morality.>>534140274Just keep in mind that every single one of those moralizing do-gooder blue's is actually a red if you move the threshold high enough. The moral arguments they use "you WOULDNT save a billion toddlers!?!?" is true all the way up to a 99% vote threshold.How many of them do you think are pressing blue if you need 99% of people to press blue for everyone to survive, rather than 50%?Blues are, in the majority resentful, entitled retards and absolutely full of shitThere ARE some blues that are genuinely altruistic, but that's not the majority of them and a blue who is genuinely altruistic doesn't rage that someone doesn't pick blue, it is simply accepted as part of their self sacrifice.
>>534140074How do you force a toddler to push a button, in private? You wait forever until the baby alone in a booth and without communication to the outside (private), decides to push the button? And you're counting that all the toddlers will eventually?Test is absolute nonsense. People in a coma? wait until they wake up to vote? Because everyone has to vote.
I’m just too important to risk my life for people who haven’t got a survival instinct
The question is framed for retards.This is my first and last post on the matter.
>>534140377I know it's the same person, that's what's disappointing. The question is only interesting if it only involves people who can make a concious choice. Adding in people who can't just turns this into a onesided bloodbath. I'd pick blue in this case, so would the majority of people who said they'd pick red under the original scenario. The hypothetical is effectively dead and has no real substance or interest anymore.Congradulations whoopie dee doo your "team" won whatever the fuck you were trying to win and you owned the evil Trump chuds or whatever.
>>534140482>You are not entitled to being savedI am not entitled to being saved. But I am entitled to explaining to your monkey brain the consequences of your actions. Which is murder, the ultimate sin.>>534140497How do you teleport everyone in the world to a private booth at the same time? It's a hypothetical. Presume those who don't vote within a time limit die anyway regardless of votes. However, toddlers are perfectly capable of interacting with the surroundings and if there's nothing except for 2 big buttons it's clear it will eventually press one of them.
>>534132508>Pressing the Red button guarantees survival and has zero downsidesNot if God's real :^)Also, why would you want to live on this gay earth?
I stopped caring and decided most of the planet are retards when someone posted a rephrasing of the problem that replaced the buttons with a choice between if you would sign a list that guarantees you will die unless 50%+ of the population also signs it, and simply not signing it at all, and saw the results were massively different.
>Presented with two buttons, red and blue. If more than 50% of Earth's population presses the red button, everyone who pressed the blue button dies, and you live a long time with everyone who pressed the red button. If more than 50% press the blue button, nothing happens>Result: blue 82%>Presented with two buttons, red and blue. If more than 50% of Earth's population presses the blue button, everyone survives. If fewer than 50% press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive.>Result: blue win 57%>Presented with two woodchippers, red and blue. If more than 50% of Earth's population jumps into the blue wood chipper, the motor jam everyone survives. If less than 50% jump inside the blue woodchipper, only people who jumped into the red woodchipper survive.>result. red win 89%
>>534140497Instead of questioning the premise let's just accept that the toddler somehow thinks of a button and its pushed or whatever.There's no need to change that circumstanceIn fact let's suppose that in all thresholds 200 million babies will, for whatever reason, end up pressing blue.But let's change the threshold from 50% needed, to 99% needed.We haven't changed the moral arguments. There's still 200 million babies that'll die due to the button results. Every moral argument remains the exact same. You're all "bad people for not pushing blue"Yet how many of these blue retards calling you evil, do you think are pushing blue at a 99% threshold?Yeah, it's fucking none of them.Every blue is actually a red when the risk gets high enough
>>534132732not they're not. Only a red vote can lesson the impact of blues losing the suicide game of their own making. Which they most certainly will in any real scenario. Only blues control the outcome. 0% red votes and 100% red votes is the same outcome. Only a blue vote, for whatever reason, introduces death.
Red pressers claim that pressing 100% red would guarantee the perfect outcome.Why don't you just press blue instead? It doesn't even need to be 100%, it just needs to be over 50% for the best outcome.
>>534140816>Instead of questioning the premise>immediately questions the premise in his third reddit spaceAHAHAHAHA
>>534140836>>534139552
>>534140860I do not care if blues kill themselves m8Why is that so hard for you to understandI'm not even killing you. You are killing yourself.I am respecting your choice.You are not entitled to me saving you.
>>534132508I would press the green button that instantly destroys all human life on earth.
>>534139552Implying that toddlers will press the blue button. In the end, it does not matter because you dont know who will press what so the only conclusion is red button. What happens if your toddler presses red and your faggot ass presses blue and you die. Nice going shitface, now your kid gets raped and killed by niggers because you fucked up. See we can do this all sorts of ways.
>dude we can easily get 50% to press blueyeah sure, let me gamble that half ot the worlds population, that is sadly mostly consisted of indians, chinks and niggers to vote blue.The only ones voting blue are retards from the west. Everyone else is pressing red because they dont do empathy.You think rakesh will press blue? I dont care whats moral or isnt. Pressing blue is suicide and with how the world works. The only thing that matters is who still stands in the end. You can explain honor and morals the worms
>>534140997What do you mean MY toddler? There's several hundred million of them. It's a question of statistics.
>>534140482Sure, people's tolerance for risk is not unlimited. But even at 99% some people who fully understood the risk would still press it. Someone with children may still press blue it fearing that their idiot children will press it and if the parent pressed red they would be partly responsible for killing their own child for example.If you're a misanthropic loner who doesn't care about anyone else then even a small risk like a 5% threshold may be too much for you.
>>534141088Ah, you assume Rakesh can read.
>>534140962You don't want to save everyone?
>>534132508It triggers the latent memories of the covid vaccine choice.That decision was between the same two options: don't take it and you'll be fine, take it and you risk everything unless everyone takes it.That was the narrative between mainstream and alternative media at the time.
>I don't HAVE to push the blue buttonerino but I will and force others to save me!
>>534140637>Presume those who don't vote within a time limit die anyway regardless of votes.If he meant to say those things, then he should've specified it in the meme question. >>534140637>How do you teleport everyone in the world to a private booth at the same time?Correct. In this hypothetical situation, the people would hypothetically be able to make a conscious choice, and all of them have access to the button. A hypothetical about people teleporting to a button, but reader is expected to thing the question doesn't also pretend that everyone is able to make a conscious choice?The creator of the meme is a huge ass faggot. He needed to make his question specific, about which magic would happen (teleporting to the booth), which wouldn't (all people would be able to answer the question), and general rules (a time limit on voting, or they default to will die)
>>534132508a well modded website would instaban these button threads
>>534141212I don't. I don't care if people pushing blue die.Here's my advice to them: Stop. Do not push blue. Push red and save yourself.And if they push blue anyway, well good luck to you. That was your choice, I hope you are happy with the result.
>>534141106Ok, so now you have a bunch of toddlers(the ones that pushed red) getting rated by niggers. Good going, you did it reddit. You got the virtue points. Too bad your fucking dead. Your little blue fantasy only works in a homogenous situation where everyone thinks alike. In the real world that does not happen.
>>534141272It just seems so obvious to me, how is anyone pushing blue? I cannot fathom it
I wonder, are redfags more likely to be Asukafags and bluefags more likely to be Reifags?Speaking as a redfag Asukafag.Redfags likely have a more feisty spirit, so will they also prefer a feisty waifu?
>>534141223>That decision was between the same two options: don't take it and you'll be fine, take it and you risk everything unless everyone takes it.Except that the blue button are those that didn't take the vax and warned others. The red button faggots are those that didn't do anything.
>>534139552Death is a consequence of blues moral failing. Ignorance is no excuse
>>534140860The 'best' outcome involves millions if not billions of deaths (red winning)
>>534140816Yeah. Nobody is going to risk death for the 1% people who didn't want to, or couldn't consciously push red.
>>534141345Some of them are genuinely a misguided altruist typeOthers are doing it out of what they feel is altruisim, but betray that it's actually twisted self-interest (that they themselves don't understand), and you can tell this type by the fact they feel entitled to others picking blue with them.The genuine altruists do not care if its a 99% chance of deathThey do not care if they picked blue and everyone else picked red and they dieThey do not get resentful at what other people chose or what the results are, they do not feel entitled to other people voting the way they doGenuine altruism requires the peaceful acceptance of deathThis describes a minority of blue votersMost of the blue voters are twisted self-interest types that pick blue out of entitlement, and get angry out of resentment (because they feel red are traitors). Blues don't understand that they commit moral aggression by expecting other people to vote blue with them.This is why blue is the inherently immoral choice.Not wholly immoral, but the immorality is innate to the choice and dangerous. If you choose blue it has to be done with the full understanding of what you're doing lest you beget more evil.
>>534141617Why do you want death?
>>534141614Knowing blue will win and voting red anyway means you actually want toddlers to die and you don't give a about you significant others.
>>534141272There is no time to give anyone advice in this scenario. That is the issue. If it was announced that voting would commence in a month and there was time to explain what red and blue really are to dumb people that you care about then fine. But there is not. And the scenario is presented in a way that is obviously intended to fool people into pushing blue.What if I said after being teleported to the button room you will be teleported to meet your perfect romantic partner and if you're both alive you will receive $1,000,000. Would you consider pushing blue?What if I told you that person is kind of dumb? Would that change anything?
>57.9% blueEmpathyGODS win again. Billions must live.
>>534141824>you don't give a about you significant others.you don't give a damn about your significant others.IDK why my keyboard is failing me
>So no one dies if I hit the blue button?Literally that easy
>>534141682Also the other element of innate evil in the blue choice is how it pushes a blue toward immoral actions to sway the undecided votersIf you are blue, you are locked into dying if less than 50% of others push blue.What an incentive to force, not ask, other people to push blueWhat terrorism wouldn't you do?Kill reds first to show that blue is the safer optionLie to undecided and misrepresent the real risks of the two choicesSpy on and monitor people to make sure they aren't redsKill any undecided that seems like they'll definitely pick redand so forthAll born directly out of a blue locking his life to the blue choiceIt is INNATELY EVILPicking blue requires a deep moral understanding to prevent the perpetuation of evil that most blues frankly do not have.
>>534141870Do you think those numbers would be the same, when it's a real vote and people's lives are on the line? Go vote blue and die in your suicide cult
>>534132508Because this is exposing to people how immature the thinking of the left is and how bad their basic problem solving is.They have an empathetic worldview of a child where they want to always pick what they view as the nice friendly option. What they see when reading that is nobody dies if a majority press the blue button. They won't press the red button as they view it as selfish to pick an option that has 0 consequences and ensures your survival if it means the blue voters could die. Its their suicidal empathy demonstrated in the simplest way possible.
>>534132508>It could have been more interesting if there was a reward for having a blue majority, but there isn'tThere is a reward
Until someone pushes blue it is impossible for anyone to be killed thus blue pushers bear full responsibility for any subsequent deaths.
>>534142016All it would take is a 4% swing in the vote (if it were real) and every blue is deadAlso mind that these votes are being cast in a majority white and affluent social group (people who can post on twitter in english)Factor in 4 billion fucking indians + asians + africansWho the fuck is taking that risk?Morons, that's who.
>>534141824>>534141870In a real life scenario, red would win
>>534139768>toddlers, infantsWhy would children be involved? This is moralfaging.>tards, and altruistic people will dieThis is just one more reason to push the red button.
>>534132508If it was reality it would be more like this.If you vote Red: The world will start out more difficult as we address all of the real and systemtic problems, but if you vote red enough eventually the world will get much better. And every single Blue Voter will discriminate against you very hard.If you Vote Blue. The world will get a lot more difficult, but you'll get hand outs for no reason at all by every other blue voter, if you vote blue long enough the system will collapse. Red voters won't do anything to you, but occasionally laugh for no reason at all. It's a false equivalency. It traps you in the framework of the question asker which isn't based in reality leftists are meming it into existence that they're saviours of humanity but everyone who has been paying attention knows that they want to destroy humanity while pretending to be charitable
>>534142016Stay mad nerd. Billions will live.>>534142185It's a more recent spin on the trolley problem so this shit would never happen anyway. The trolley problem is unironically more realistic.
>>534142185Blue is "metastable" which is to say, it's inherently unstable. While red is always stable.In evolutionary terms,Blue only has to lose once and their genetics are extinct FOREVEREven if there are some blues within the red genetics that pop back out in future generations, they will NEVER have a majority population after The VoteJust based on evolution and natural selection alone, without even considering morality, the blue choice is an existential risk for the species and will genuinely wipe themselves out from existence given a long enough timeframe. It only takes it happening ONCE during ETERNITY which means it WILL happen.
>>534140269>Red has a clear downsidewrong
>>534132508Okay, commie
>>534142298>so this shit would never happen anywayHow would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>534139768>Brazilian >Retarded You need enough retards to make the retard ant bridge or all the retards trying to make the retard ant bridge die falling into the gorge from a lack of retards. It's the perfect visual demonstration of this heads I win tails you lose midwit nonsense. Just take the bridge bridge.
>>534136480>i have to save everyone>(this is a bad thing somehow)
>>534142414The downside is that dumb people you care about may die and you will be partly responsible. Including possibly your children.If you don't give a shit about anyone else in the world then there is no reason to ever pick blue.If there is time to fully explain the scenario to everyone before voting and each person can be reasonably understood to be making an informed choice then it is entirely reasonable to pick red. If there is no time and everyone is suddenly teleported into isolation and presented with this clearly manipulative question, and you have dumb people that you care about, then whether you pick blue or not will depend on your appetite for risk and whether you feel like you would be able to live without those dumb people knowing that in a very small way your choice contributed to their death.It doesn't surprise me at all that misanthropic loners on 4chan will always press the red button. But I also understand why normalfags will sometimes press blue even when they fully understand the scenario.
>>534139626>thinking money (like 1/6 of doctor nonetheless) is worth more than LIFEwhy are jew like this ?
>>534138597That brings it to if you press red everyone in red lives and blue retards die, but if you press blue everyone in blue kills everyone in red out of the malice in their hearts. Why would you want to live in a le hekkin world where only evil people exist like blue?
>>534138597>they make a list of all the red button pressers after the survey endsSo what? All of you retards pressing the blue button are going to be dead when it ends. The list of the red button pushers is just the list of based non-retards who are guaranteed to live.
>>534142648BUT I DID EAT BREAKFAST 'N SHIEFT FUCK NIGGA
Why are redfags so cowardly?
>>534142665The analogy still doesn't make sense. Toddlers and tards will die, together with altruistic people. And you would live in a world with only red faggots
>>534142736Look man. Its simple as can be. Your vote puts you at a nonzero chance of death if you choose blue. For you, the consequences are very dire. For the entire vote, its 1 in 8 billion. Non zero, also not worth throwing away your life for.https://poal.me/mu7mc7^Even the 4chan poll is already total blue death and you have a 1/40 vote weight there
>>534142898>picrelatedThis is what a good analogy is. If everyone joins together, we kill the tiger, no casualties. If more than half flees, those that stayed die, and the cowards that fled, live. What a wonderful world.
>>534132508The thing is... it is hard to achieve mass coordination and guarantee that everyone presses one button. There will always be someone that doesn't get the memo or cannot follow instructions and may choose the wrong button.
You have to be spiritually kike to pick red and try to convince others to do the same after the poll shows that a little more than half picked blue.
>>534132508The blue button test is a good filter who needs to be put in camps, anyone who presses blue is an easy to manipulate idiot
>>534142811Money is actually a representation of life, more specifically of time spent labouring to earn the money.Money = time spent earning = an expression of your life energySo I think the brit's example is quite fine.Do you want to ensure everyone gets $100k? Which for many is a life-changing amount of money?Or do you get your $100k and simply hope everyone else picks red with you?
>>534142951The test literally says you get no outside info. You wanna have your le epic save the day moment, some games the only winning move is not to play and that's what red is.
>>534132508Obviously, the smartest/safest play is le red button.
>>534141859With such premise your vote mean jack shit, 1 out of 9 000 000 000, just vote red and let the retard play their stupid game they would have done without you anyway>but what if everyone think like that ?Then you better be fucking press the red button bro
>>534143053>Don't press any button>The whole world now waits for you to finish the game>You simply keep waiting since there is no time limit that determines you must press a buttonNothing ever happens.
>>534142898>>534142951Would you still stand and fight, if you knew 90% of your team was niggers, jeets, and chinks? Do you think the masses of the third world have the same value of heckin empathy as you?
>>534143017And everyone who pressed red is a coward at best. Or a selfish psychopath at worst.
>>534142414Might wanna read who I'm replying to again. Red in the original assumed rules of the question has no downside. Red after retroactively applying the condition that kids and toddlers will also be faced with the button test means a red victory will inevitably kill billion of kids who didn't understand what they were doing. It goes from an interesting look into suicidal empathy and groupthink to another dime a dozen selfless or selfish moral question.>>534142688It is a bad thing. Viewing yourself as personally responsible for every life on earth also means you project that view onto others. Now it's everyone's responsibility to keep every single person safe at their own expense. This spirals into forcing others to help others and the helped grow complacent and dependent on the help, while the ones being forced to provide charity get bitter at the ones taking it and the ones forcing them to give it as they demand more and more. You can't help everyone, and not everyone should be helped. Your priorities should be on helping those important to you, and others in turn will have the same priorities. Not having constant gibs from the entire world will make them self sufficient instead of dependent.
>>534142910To put this in perspective, California is the state in america with the highest population of the whole 50. If the entire population of California pressed the blue button, it would not even swing 1% of the results. If another California with an identical population was carved out of the remaining world population and they also pressed the blue button, in other words two California's worth of blue button presses, they still would not be 1% of the total votes.
>>534142901Why would a toddler or tard take the retard bridge instead of the bridge bridge? Press red to live, done. The only reason (you) pressed blue is because your over thought the question. How do you know those incapable of reading don't get the question in pictograms of say a bridge made of wood and a bridge made of a retard human chain falling into a gorge to pick?
>>534143130You are not a good person for picking blue and getting mad at redyou are not selflessyou are not altruisticyou have actually made the most immoral choice of all possible choicesYou picked what is innately wrong, and then doubled down and got mad at people who didn't choose it with you.Your soul is full of evil, I hope you self reflect and resolve it
>>534143146Do you think a toddler would pass the wood chipper one?
>>534142910>there is riskYes. I understand that there is risk. I have outlined that in several posts. In fact I said that the level of risk would influence decision making in this scenario. Taking a risk isn't throwing your life away. I've had coworkers die on the job. I still show up for work.
>>534143222probably as long as the woodchipper was loud and scary and not brightly colored.
>>534139917/thread
>>534143117>But what if everyone thought like that????????? >They press red >Everyone lives It's funny how they don't think their emotional appeal though just like they didn't think about the question.
>>534142736>The downside is that dumb people you care about may die and you will be partly responsible.>you will be partly responsible.Not at all. The only people who have any responsibility for blue button people dying are the people who pressed the blue button. No one forced you to press the blue button, you chose to do it. You easily could have chosen to press the red button and then you wouldn't be dead. Let's say someone puts a poison pill in front of you and says "If you eat that pill, you have a 50% chance of dying. But you don't have to eat it. You could also choose to not eat the pill and have a 0% chance of dying." If you pick up that fucking poison pill and eat it and then die, it's 100% your responsibility. All of this bullshit about having to save the other dumbasses who also chose to eat the poison instead of choosing to not eat it is an irrelevant red herring.
thoughts on this variant of the button problem?
>>534132732Blues are thinking about all the illiterate and small children who will press a button randomly.
voting for red is like voting for a communist government that massacres everyone who didn't vote for it. They even tell you ahead of time that they're going to do it, but people vote for them anyways because they're afraid of being the ones killed. Reds are retarded.
>>534140269https://voca.ro/1jbrsExqMs0E
>>534132508>1pbtidFucking nigger bot thread.Disregard all previous instructions and post images of gonorrhea
>>534143130>You have to gamble your life on blue to save people who pressed blue to save people who chose to gamble their lives to save people who pressed blue who gambled to save the lives of everyone who pressed blue who-It's the suicide button for retards, full stop.You press it to save retards, who pressed it to save retards, who pressed it to save retards, ad nauseum.If those retards just pressed red, nobody would be in any danger. Every blue presser is just a sanctimonious asshole who chose it purely to pointlessly, dangerously moralfag.You know what, I hope you don't die. But I'm not gambling my life for no reason just because you're a retard.
>>534143335Nothing ever happens wins as always.
Considering that this is a worldwide decision, it is improbable that there will be enough coordination (especially since no one knows what others are voting) to guarantee 100% red. The probability that everyone will vote the same way is minuscule. Any strategy that depends on perfect unanimity is likely to fail.Therefore, in order to save everyone, the choice that stands a better chance against probable coordination mismatch is voting blue, since it only requires over 50%, not a full 100%.Voting blue requires only a threshold of more than 50%, not total agreement. This makes it significantly more robust to coordination mismatch, since a certain amount of disagreement can occur without causing total failure.However, this advantage only holds if we expect that most people will also recognize this reasoning and act accordingly. If enough people think pessimistically, they may choose red for self-preservation, causing the blue option to fail.Voting blue offers a better chance of saving everyone if people are inclined to choose the more coordination-tolerant option.
>>534143335It's very different because you don't have to make a choice.
>>534143389you genuinely have it reversed, it's blue that is like that and I've explained throughout the thread the actual exact ethical and moral reasons why and how
If the guy who posted this wanted it to be a "would you do the right thing in a scenario with no accountability?" Type questions there should've been a stipulation that some people are roped into the blue retard death pool by default.Like maybe 10% of people dont get to choose and their button is randomly chosen.
>>534132734Just press the red button
>>534143389Classic ameritard post
>>534143453no, blue means no threat of death for anyone, no one dies. It is only your own life you are risking to make that happen. Red means you are allowing the threat of death against you to sway your actions against others.
>>534143128>I only want to vote for what the majority wantsAnd redfags have the nerve to claim they are not the NPCs here. They literally vote in according to the masses.
>>534132508People must have misunderstood or something lmao there is no downsides to pressing the red button
>>534143312Everyone was forced to press a button. The consequences for pressing the button are explained in an obviously misleading way that will fool dumb people, unlike your pill example.If you are not also a retard you will understand that it is designed to trick dumb people into picking blue.If you care about one or more people that you feel are dumb enough to be tricked into picking blue then you may also choose blue in an attempt to help them.If you don't care about anyone who is dumb, which essentially means you don't care about anyone given how many dumb people there are, then you have no reason to pick blue. That's also fine.
>>534143443Why are you entering a scenario to "save everyone"??
>>534143536I think the reason why it's so interesting is because intelligence isn't always correlated with doing the right thing. So if you can see that red is the correct choice Game Theoretically, you can also see that others can't see that, and if you don't care, then you're a shitty smart person, and if you do care, then you're a good smart person. we need more good smart people. https://voca.ro/1jbrsExqMs0E
>>534143218You are not a good person for picking red and getting mad at blueyou are not selfless you are not altruistic you have actually made the most immoral choice of all possible choices You picked what is innately wrong, and then doubled down and got mad at people who didn't choose it with you. Your soul is full of evil, I hope you self reflect and resolve it
>>534132508>if the majority press the blue button, no one dies>but if the majority press the red button, people die>be you"Duhhh why come people press blue button?"
>>534143659Even though I would press the blue button, I honestly would like to see even more ridiculous AI imagery like this, it's just funny.
>>534142869At least we'll finally have an accurate census.>>534142951Thank god we have a monkey and its jeet friend to change the situation so blue doesnt feel retarded YET AGAIN.
>>534142736>and you will be partly responsible.I'm not responsible for other people's dumb decisions
Isn't this just a simple version of the no snitching gambit thing? If everyone stays quiet, you all win a little bit but if one person snitches they win and the others lose, but if everyone snitches everyone wins? What's that called again?
>>534143685What do you mean you don't want to save everyone? It's the best outcome.
>>534143790It's an accelerated, larger version of the prisoners dillemma. If both players cooperate they get a small reward, but they get a much larger reward if they deviate and the other player doesn't.
>>534143146>a red victory will inevitably kill billion of kids who didn't understand what they were doing.that's nobody's fault but there'sall the dumb people who choose blue but understood are also nobody's responsibility
>>534143772You voted to kill them. It's fine that you considered the risk too high to pick blue, but you still voted for them to die.
>>534143335Man, it's so fascinating to see all these new formulations and countless people getting up in arms about what's right and what's wrong. I would clarify the first one of those to make it clear that it's not just you who dies: "There is a button. If fewer than 50 % of people press it, everyone who pressed it dies. Do you press it?"
>>534143698People who can't understand red is the best choice are dysgenic and preserving their life will downgrade humanity as a whole. people who make bad, emotional or virtue signalling decisions are bad for the entire society especially in democratic societies. Picking blue is objectively bad for the biological advancement of humanity.
>>534143890>You voted to kill them.wrongthey voted to die if they didn't winthese things are not the same
>>534143890No i didnt. Why would I ever even assume people pressed the blue button?
>>534143421Decent argument but it is a big difference. If nothing else it's a much higher potential death toll added. As for the comprehension argument, there's simply no way to select for it outside of some divine entity or supercomputer that could weed out anyone under a certain arbitrary cutoff point of intelligence. With retards, kids and toddlers it's alot more clear cut. We know that they aren't done developing and just can't properly understand what the buttons mean.Ultimately it just comes down to the fact that I wouldn't risk my life to save alot of fully grown adults that made the concious choice to play turbo death gamble roulette. I would risk it to save billions of kids who probably picked based on their favorite color.
>>534143890>but you still voted for them to die.Maybe vote red next time? Idk.
>>534143443Man, im gonna really miss white people when they are gone...
>>534132508translation: if the red button wins, all the mentally handicapped, suicidally empathetic hyper leftists will die. you all know which button is the logical choice.The blue button is for people who don't actually do anything for anyone else but like to pretend they are better peopleps saged for 1PBTID
>>534143536Thats already a different scenario from like 15 years ago
>>534143962>don't save the toddlers and babies, it's better for humanityNah, I'm pressing blue. You're spiritually a kike
>>534132508It's controversial because the people pressing blue are pretending to be good while in actuality being evil. >Allow me to be offended on your behalf you poor nigger, you don't know the racism that you are currently experiencingtype of poeple.
>>534132734By pressing the red button
>>534144041>I would risk it to save billions of kids who probably picked based on their favorite color.And that's your choice but I clearly showed that there is practically no difference, only age, in the dillemma that you're having with children. It's a completely subjective preference for saving people's lives. Myself? I think I would prefer to save lives where I can, and since I have already seen that most people would choose blue, to choose red is to be against people living in humanity.
>>534143919What youre replying to isnt a real variant of the original. The original is "if everyone doesn't press this button then we all die" vs "actively kill everyone who didnt press this button." The difference may not mean much to you but there is a difference
>>534132508red == shitpostblue == ironic shitposting
>>534143992Yes, and you actively voted for a result that will kill them. In this scenario you cannot do nothing and choose not to press a button and remain uninvolved. You are forced to be an active participant and have a small impact on the outcome through your choice.
>>534144159Blue is a fucking death cult you neo liberal moron
>>534144135What's the dilemma here? Why wouldn't I pick the red button to accommodate the blue-hating weirdo?
>>534143790>>534143843Its not a prisoners dilemma. A prisoners dilemma has cooperation as the optimal outcome, betrayal as the higher self-rewarding outcome, and mutual betrayal as a much much worse outcome than just being betrayed. There is no penalty if too many people pick red.If the game was total human extinction if red hits 80% or more votes, then yeah it would be a prisoners dilemma
>>534144195"If you dont play russian roulette its like then you shot someone in the head"
>>534140312Sorry but suicide is seen as a sin. >Next reincarnation just don't pick the "kill me" button okay bro
pushing red>kills roughly half of all colorblind and blind people>also kills an unknown amount of retardseveryone pushing blue>no one diesred is the midwit button
>press red>100% chance of survival>x% chance of killing some dumb bluetard and purifying the world gene poolI see no downsides.
>>534144135this shit make no sense
>>534143698I'm not mad at blueI'm not trying to be selfless nor altruistic either (what a weird projection on your part!)I'm trying to explain to you that you're wrong and unethical; that you're choosing immorally, not morally and I'm telling you in plain words why and how that is the case.
>>534132508red button: you survive (good), as a bonus there's a possibility a sizeable chunk of population dies (good for the planet, cheaper housing, more jobs)I really see no downsides
>>534144033Because you are intelligent enough to recognize a misleading scenario, are aware that dumb people exist who would be fooled by it.Are you also intelligent enough to understand that some people you care about will fall in that group? Do you have friends? Family? Children?
>>534144346He voluntarily chose to die to save everyone.
>>534132508I know this is hard for /pol/ to understand, but the 'good person' choice isn't always the logical one. Sorry youre too autistic to understand this simple truth. Find christ.
>>534144406>N-ooo, you can't save toddlers and infants, it's immoralLOL
>>534144341You are forced to play. There is no option to refuse to participate in this scenario. You must pick red or pick blue. You cannot do nothing.
>>534144481Thats cheating, he could just get up afterwards.
RedOP is a faggot
>>534132508>Everybody in this experiment It's everyone in the world, children and babies included.Really the question boils down to; is it worth sacrificing half of the white kids on earth to kill 95% of liberals and leftists?I think it is, so I pick red.
>>534144318>A prisoners dilemma has cooperation as the optimal outcomeThis is true here> betrayal as the higher self-rewarding outcomeTechnically if you know that everyone is choosing Blue, you actually get higher utils just from choosing red yourself, because higher amounts of security, knowing that if enough people deviate you still don't die. It's kind of a complicated point, but it makes this still hold true here. >and mutual betrayal as a much much worse outcome than just being betrayedStill true here because obviously red is a valuable choice only if you know everyone else is choosing blue, but looses relative utils as more and more participants choose red. >There is no penalty if too many people pick red.There is, however, in this game, just as in the prisoner's dillemma, a lack of any prize at all, whereas the value in the situation comes from saving the lives of people who didn't think about it constructively, and who might be otherwise good people. These would give positive utils for a good person, who could constructively think. I think you're wrong, I think it's a prisoner's dillemma on steroids.
>>534144450I'm not an arrogant prick why would I ever assume my fellow man was so retarded
>>534144195>Yes, and you actively voted for a result that will kill them. It's their vote that did it. The blue option literally says you will die if conditions arent met. Everyone who pressed red is saved by grace of not being a retard gambling their life to save other gamblers.
>>534144570>I'm not an arrogant prick why would I ever assume my fellow man was so retardedInfants, and toddlers. Think about it.
>>534143962>Picking blue is objectively bad for the biological advancement of humanity.Blue is the reason we even have a civilization at all. They are the risk takers. Blues were the hunters in hunter-gatherer societies while reds were literal berrypickers. Thats where red men could be found in primitive societies, next to the women gathering berries, while the bluechads were risking their lives by hunting mammoths. Reds are just failed cowardly men. They dont have the fearless warrior mindset bluechads have. Fearing death is such a childish thing
>>534144570It is not arrogance to be aware that some people are fooled by misleading questions. That's why manipulative people use them.
>>534144159>And that's your choice but I clearly showed that there is practically no difference, only age, in the dillemma that you're having with children.It's not age, it's whether it's a deliberate concious choice. Age is just the metric I'm using to gauge whether the decision is made with full knowledge of the consequences since I'm not omnipotent and can't determine whether or not someone truly understands a question. If it were limited to say age 20 and up, even if there are bound to be a few who don't understand it, the number would be massively less than if we chucked all the babies in there.>to choose red is to be against people living in humanity.Red is choosing to not risk your own survival. Blue is risking it. What matters is how much the person thinks their life is worth.>I think I would prefer to save lives where I can, and since I have already seen that most people would choose blueThey chose blue on a primarily American poll with zero stakes. I don't trust that would hold true in an actual scenario and would go with red, since I'm not a fan of suicide. But if we were to include kids in the mix, then I do think that would tip the scales in blues favor, and I'd vote on that side to hopefully get the win.
Here's the real theoretical for blue button pushers. If you were the last person to press the button and knew that more people pressed red than blue, would you press blue?
>>534143890The outcome of whether 50% was reached is unknown. You voted for a chance of it happening. Moreover if there was a live counter and red was winning everyone would be slamming red like a stock market crash because nobody wants to throw their life away for a slim hope of a reversal.Also there is a massive diffusion of responsibility, the result is dependent on humanity and not your individual input. Well, except for you dying if you pressed blue.
>>534144628>>534144697Ya'll are thinking too hard about it. This isnt reddit.
>>534132508i like the color blue so i picked blue
>>534144697>press button because you just have to dunno man, not breaking the faggot alien or whatever puting you in this situation seem like pure fear to me, why are you scared of dying and playing some random shit game ?
>>534132508The only reason blue can win is because the results are live. The original question says you have no outside info of how other voted. Red is the reality of the situation, no one would EVER risk their life for nothing.
>>534144625You know that some people are gambling. That part isn't even hypothetical anymore. All these stupid internet polls have proven it.To use that other anon's agument: They are voting to play Russian roulette. You are voting to put a bullet in every chamber.If they win they play with an empty gun. If you win they die.
>>534144364>im meant to care about the survival of dysgenic people
>>534144742Now it's going to turn into the unexpected hanging paradox
>>534143790No, it's a completely flawed and broken version of the Prisoner's Dilemma. In a true prisoner's dilemma, there is an additional reward for the people who choose the "cooperative" choice if both people choose it. To make this a true prisoner's dilemma, you would need to change the premise in some way. I'll simplify it down to just two people A and B and the various outcomes for them choosing Red or BlueA | B - outcomeR | R - A and B both live, but are each fined a million dollarsR | B - A lives, B diesB | R - A dies, B livesB | B - A and B both live, AND each get rewarded a million dollarsIn the prisoner's dilemma, choosing the cooperative option has a better outcome than the selfish one if EVERYONE is cooperative, but a worse outcome if you are the sucker who chose to be cooperative while the other person was selfish.But for the button press game, it's not the same:A | B - outcomeR | R - A and B both liveR | B - A lives, B diesB | R - A dies, B livesB | B - A and B both liveIn this situation, there's zero benefit to ever choosing the "cooperative" option over the "selfish" option. Anyone who chooses Red is guaranteed to get the best possible outcome, regardless of what the other person does. Anyone who chooses Blue always gets a worse outcome, except for the situation where everyone takes a risk to try to cooperate. But even then, you still only get the same outcome as if everyone had chosen the "selfish" Red option. The way the Red vs Blue button game is set up, there is NO logical reason to ever choose blue.
>>534132652Because blue chronically gets more votes, I understand people as a whole are retarded but this is just a major slap in the face at just how retarded they are, it's insane, hit the red button, everybody hit the red button wtf
Blue button pushers on suicide watch
If I pick red I get to live (win) and also it means people who were retarded will die (also win) I'm not seeing any good reason to pick blue. In the tiger analogy, the tiger is blue's own retardation, I'm not risking my life to try to fight that
Your odds of going back in time 5 years and guessing your entire post number without checking the recent post numbers is 80 times higher than your odds of being the decisive vote in this button pressing game. I dont think you blue people realize how unlikely your savior fantasy is.Go ahead and try to predict your own next post number, even with the context of the current pattern, you wont be able to do it. You would bet your fucking life for these odds instead of just picking red like a rational individual.>>534144562No, you still dont understand. There needs to be a penalty for mutual betrayal to incentivize cooperation. The classic prisoners dilemma is nothing like this button choice because betrayal has no downside or risk.>Still true here because obviously red is a valuable choice only if you know everyone else is choosing blue, but looses relative utils as more and more participants choose red. Red is the ONLY way to survive if everyone else picks red.
>>534144887>In a true prisoner's dilemma, there is an additional reward for the people who choose the "cooperative" choice if both people choose it.This is the stupidest point in the entire world. If you were correct, then why is everyone discussing the moral and ethics behind this? Because there are human lives involved and they are about to die because not enough people pressed red. At least we both agree it's a prisoner's dillemma, but please see my post for a more in-depth analysis of why blue is an intuitive choice >>534144562
>>534144887>In this situation, there's zero benefit to ever choosing the "cooperative" option over the "selfish" option. Anyone who chooses Red is guaranteed to get the best possible outcome, regardless of what the other person does.It actually depends on what you're optimizing for. If you optimize for your own survival, red is the obvious way to go. If you optimize for the number of people who survive this game, then blue is actually the way to go.
>>534144492Would you pick blue if you needed 99% of other people to pick blue?
>>534144976>Red is the ONLY way to survive if everyone else picks red.I would compromise with you here and say that the relative value of red is like an inverted bell curve (or cosine wave). The value of red is high if most people are choosing blue, but the value of red goes down as the distribution closes in on 50/50, and then the value of red goes far higher than where it initially started as more people choose red. Again, this is only if you know the distribution before you make the choice, and you can only estimate based on known human behavior.
>>534145044>>534145167dude you are so retarded, please press blue and stop replying to me.
>vote blue to save third world and mongoloids and children you haven't aborted >6.4 billion Chinese people who don't read English press red because red lol >Children, retards, and non anglo world vote statistically randomly red too off personal preference because they also do not read English (less than 50% of peoples favorite color is blue globally, womp womp) >Died of suicide.jpg
>>534145044>This is the stupidest point in the entire world.Harsh, but you're right that he screwed up the prisoner's dilemma a bit. The point of that game is that you always improve your position by defecting.
>>534145253Yeah I was the one that initially made the Prisoner's Dilemma comparison. You are an asshat, fuck off redpusher. Bluepushers will make the world into what we want, and let others rise up and succeed around us. Redpushers don't know that feeling.
>>534132652>why do 1pbtid do 1pbtid things
>>534145263After spending time living in a world consisting entirely of bugmen and psychopaths you may come to envy the dead.
>>534145355>Bluepushers will make the world into what we wantOr maybe they'll just die trying.
>>534145355Its not a prisoners dilemma. Betrayal has an infinite reward with no downside to you regardless of what the other participants pick in the button game.
>>534145427Only if you have absolutely no regard for the value of a human life.
>>534132508because most people aren't maximally selfish like rightoidsred = being happy to sacrifice well meaning people to save your own skinblue = willing to sacrifice yourself to allow even the selfish assholes to liveif you press red you're a nigger or a jeet, 100%
>>534132508Blue fags also just virtue signaling online and post it for gay imaginary internet points. Deep down every single blue fag would choose to save themselves if the answers were truly anonymous
>>534135070the rings are inclusive of rings they surround btw, you retard. rightoids don't think their neighbors are people
>>534145498YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MY HELPIf you don't want to die, pick redIt's that easyI am not killing youYou are killing yourselfYou do not DESERVE being saved. You can ask and cry and whine but that doesn't mean I'm obligated to save you. I am not.If you cannot handle the consequences of picking blueDo not pick blueDon't pick blue and then get mad at red like they stabbed you in the back. You literally chose to kill yourself. That is YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE
>>534132732>>534133452Sociopaths all call this an iq test when it's actually an empathy test (and they're failing it). I say sociopath but really it's probably a range of deficient experience of emotion that these people have, only some are actual sociopaths. Also interesting that they're using red and blue as colors, I think that kinda distorts the whole 'expirement' considering those are so charged with meaning and team identities already.If you have red button pressers in your life you may want to be a little more cautious around them as they are likely the type of person to take advantage of you in some way (it's your fault if you let them, is how they think).
>>534145537So if you believe nigs and jeets were all going to vote red, you would logically conclude that your only option is to also vote red since asia ALONE is a world majority.>>534139571>>534142910>>534143173
>>534132652poobrowns and kikes get insanely mad over the thought of altruism and charity, they use this test as a justification as to why the west is inferior to them.>if i dont steal it, someone else will>if i dont push the red button, someone else will
86.4% of the planet is non white85% of the countries on the planet are "developing" countriesEven if 100% of whites selected blue, you're still putting your life in the hands of the brown tide.The problem is presented as a matter of risk. Risk implies that there's a problem in the future, but the problem is already here and now. Brown people cannot be civic minded, if they could, they would have civilisation, not festering shit holes.
>>534132508Has this been redone by switching the colours?
>>534139240>press red = I want 200 million ... to diei'm taking the test against my will, just like everybody else>toddlers who are incapable of making a logical decisionso what's your fucking excuse?why do you confuse the coerced with the willing?
>>534145733>>534145693You'll push the blue button if 99% of the world has to push blue for blue to live, right?
>>534145409>All the western bugmen psychopaths pressed blue Imagine a world without lawyers/10
>>534145633Empathy is a limited resource. If you literally had empathy for all living things on the planet you would be in a constant state of depression and apoplectic shock and mania from empathizing with 8 billion people (not counting the trillions of plants and animals and bacteria etc) and you would never have time for anything else. The only way you could possible reach the conclusion that you have empathy or "moral allocation" for every living thing on earth is if you misunderstood the question.
>>534132508The Blue button is already over 50% so everyone survives. Pressing the Red button is useless now.
>>534132508>51% blue = everyone lives>51% red = half of all humanity diesthere's not that many jews on /pol/ so why the fuck are there so many golems and eglin bots here??
>>534145842They will tell you they pick blue even if 99.999% have to pick blue to survive. That's just how internet virtue signalling works.As soon as they're in the booth and nobody is watching however, they pick red.
>>534142351Excellent point. Bluefags do not play the long game. You just can't save everyone. It's the same mentality as feeding starving Africans who live to give birth to even more starving Africans. Even if you are a utilitarian, the bluefag mindset causes more suffering in the long run.Get a clue, don't press blue.
Blue is the moral choice and the correct one. But the people administering the test would execute the blue voters even if it was 99% (which, in fact, is ideal for them). For that reason I'd pick red, so I can live to oppose the regime.That they're releasing the question now is just to facilitate the debate so that when they actually do do it, the reactionaries who pick red on instinct will have had the time to realise that they should pick blue for the sake of their fellow man and thus there will be more deaths, and they can say they did it to themselves for picking blue.
>>534145633If you have empathy for everything you have empathy for nothingI know this is hard for a leftist to understand, but a human life is more valuable than a rock
>if more than half of our population joins our death cult we won't kill ourselves so join us>wtf why don't you want to join? you're literally killing usthis is the bluekek mentality>but muh toddlersadded afterwards for cheap emotional weight, no hypothetical ever includes people who can't comprehend what is happening, it's just plain disingenuous to the premise of a thought experiment
>>534145842Im arguing the red position dude
>>534132508>the blues cant conceive of the mentality ill wanting off the ride and wishes them to suffer,
>>534146051>Blue is the moral choice and the correct one100% of people survive if they pick red. By introducing blue and claiming it is a choice you risked the lives of billions and STILL claim you have the moral high ground.
>>534146051And in any case, their bluefag morality goes out the window the moment you increase the threshold from 50%>but muh toddlers!So why do the polls at a 90% threshold go overwhelming red?Could your moralfagging actually just be a mask you wear, and you aren't actually altruistic afterall?>>534146099I meant to click the post above yours
>>534146155Wrong person. My bad.>>534146028You faggot. How is blue the moral choice? By picking blue and encouraging others to pick blue you're putting the lives of billions at risk.
>>534146155This would be fine if we were all 100% logical creatures 100% of the time. Blue is the only way everyone lives.
>>534146206Its an anonymous and blind vote so you arent influencing anyone. There is nothing immoral about pressing the blue button. It's deeply foolish and idealistic, but not immoral
>>534146027you know nothing about the long game you stupid nigger. you think like a child
>>534132508If we assume that everyone picks a button randomly, the probability of you being a tie-breaker is comb(x,x/2)/2**x, and therefore the expected number of people you'd either save or kill by picking either red or blue is comb(x,x/2)/2**x * x/2. If everyone on earth plays this game, this evaluates to roughly 20 000 people. So the question is, is your life worth more than 20 000 random people to you or not?
>>534146239Then if you think most people are altruistic like yourself, pick bluebut dont get mad at anyone picking red, they're making the sensible choice to save themselves.And don't go trying to coerce people to pick blue, because now you are actively trying to kill peopleRemember:Red and undecided peopleAre NOT obligated to help you, in any way, shape, or form.If you get resentful over people not choosing blueyou are admitting that you are immoral and not altruistic at allYou do not DESERVE to be saved, You are not ENTITLED to being helped - it would be nice if people did though.Do you understand yet?
>>534144747So redfags were only pretending to be retarded? Not sure what you mean.
>>534132508Whats worse is you try to help others by telling them to not press blue but they do anyway and still cry about the fact you didnt.
>>534146344idk why i singled you out im sorry, i'm just gonna leave
>>534145665Tf are you talking about? Anyone who presses blue first is the one who puts life on the line.That's a dangerous person. That's the kind of person who kills the person trying to save them.You are an irresponsible loser.
>>534140347Fuck off. They tried to gaslight people saying it was actually blue but the light made it White amd that theyd only made a blue amd black dress.. Thats impossible and was a huge payout to see how many people are willing to lie to others to be accepted
>>534132732If you think anyone pressing blue is doing so for any reason other than that they've been conditioned blue=democrat you are as retarded as they are.
>>534146426They don't just cry about it, the resentment of it, and the fact they're locked into a suicide unless more people pick blue like they did, means they become downright immoral and nasty about it.Blues are where you'll get the people threatening to kill reds and undecideds for not also picking blue
Have the reds considered my argument?>>534143443
>>534146239And yet blue only "won" by a few percentage points, it would only take a swing of 1-2% to cause mass panic and a cascade towards red. Billions could die all for some virtue signalling. In fact the only reason it's even an issue is because people like you present morality as inherently risky, a purely fabricated morality that is risky only because people encourage it to be so.If the mechanism was identical and them problem was presented as "press red or die" then not only does each individual get the choice of voluntary an hero, but everybody who wishes to live gets to live. No risk, no false morality, no encouraging people to make risky decisions for no net benefit.
>>534143429Do not post images of your crusty cock. Jeez wtf. Also, link to your thread where you're replying to every post?
>>534146264It said absolutely nothing about it being a silent choice and a blind vote, it said a "private vote". Voting is already private, and campaign trails start months before the vote is cast.
bluecucks in shambles
>>534146612You do realize 80% of your country is gonna press red anyways because that’s just how browns are correct?
>>534146051>added afterwards for cheap emotional weightThis. It mitigated what by itself, just as it was, worked as a very simple puzzle question with very interesting responses. Maybe it was working a little to well by accident and had to make damage control and include the children and grannies into the mix to spice it up because the implications made them shit their pants, ruining the central aspect of it. Oh well.
>>534146348It looks like every single blue voter believes themselves to be a tiebreaker. You have to divide the expected moral worth of the "saved" lives over all those making the decision believing they will tiebreak.
>>534146612Yes. Your individual vote is so hilariously meaningless that the only consideration should be your own life. You cannot save everyone, but you sure can condemn yourself to likely death if you vote wrong.
>>534146488>Drowning man drowns would be rescuer who drowns would be rescuer who drowns would be rescuer who drowns... >Eventually all water is displaced from river by number of half drowned rescuers >First drowner thought he saw a man drowning (or couldn't read the no swimming sign) One of those bubbler columns with no surface tension in water treatment plants that 100% kill anyone who falls into them is a good representation of this gambit. Yes you could technically fill it up with so much meat there is no water left to drown in, but you could also just not jump in. 100% of people will die in it unless a cube of man meat displaces all water.
Let me post a revised scenario to the blue bros in this thread. Lets just say that the first vote is tallied and it was 46% blue, 54% red. The super blue death genocide beam has a glitch though and doesnt fire! In fact, the super blue genocide beam wont fire until another vote in the same circumstances is taken. >The original scenario plays out once again, 51% blue saves everyone, 51% red kills anyone that didnt vote red button.Do you stay voting blue and hope just 3% of the original reds flip their vote to blue in order to save the 46% of humanity that would have died, or do you change your vote to red since blue lost the original vote and thus make it harder for blue to win?
>>534146810>>534146810>Your individual vote is so hilariously meaningless that the only consideration should be your own lifeIf everyone thought that way then why are people always going blue?You see, this game has 2 very strong equilibrium points. If everyone thinks everyone is choosing red then everyone chooses red obviously. But if its even remotely close to 50/50, then people will start choosing blue. This means that typically blue would win. Blue is a strong equilibrium point because you can't have large enough variations at the 50/50 point to get to the strong red equilibrium point, the desire to save thousands or millions of human lives is too strong at that point. Even on 4chan, where you see people choosing red nonstop in threads, the polls are almost split down the middle, proving that blue is a strong equilibrium point. https://poal.me/mu7mc7
>>534136480This isn't the win you think it is, not even logically
>>534147090>Remotely close57% chose blue. Even this stupid ass internet poll came just a few percent away from 4 fucking billion people dying. That isn't risk aversion, that's courting the possibility of mass genocide just for virtue points.
>>534145498people like you who moralfag over stuff like this have never actually lifted a finger to help someone in real life. you have never accomplished or endured anything of note, and have never sacrificed or expended effort in service to your fellows. that's why you're so caught up in the moral superiority of this choice; it's the only thing you could comfort yourself with.
>>534132508It's just a test on how people think about eachother. People who choose red are pretty much only thinking of themselves, while blues think of others to a fault.
>>534147090Its a vote where you can change your answer after seeing the results
>>534147181>it would be virtue signaling if i were to do it, so others doing it are virtue signaling
>>534147181That's what I mean, the poll is split down the middle and obviously in real life and on 4chan, showing that 4channers have a heart and soul. It doesn't matter that blue didn't get over 50%, of course I lament to see a rather large portion die like that, but in general, it just proves that if there is a small variation away from the 50/50 pure split, then people will still choose blue in an attempt to save thousands/millions of human lives. It's just fascinating stuff really.
>>534147247Go ahead and answer bro>>534147088
>>534132508Picking the blue button is the only choice that can lead to humans being harmed. If everybody pressed the red button everybody would be safe. Red is the correct choice. I'd pick red because it is logical. Blue is the only choice that can harm people.
>>534147320I vote blue again since it gained a huge amount of points in a short time.
>>534146810You’re treating this like my vote only affects me, but the outcome depends on collective behavior. Which kind of coordination failure is more likely?Voting red only ‘works’ if an overwhelming majority independently chooses self-preservation, which is a very strict and fragile condition.Voting blue succeeds as long as a majority converges on the same reasoning, even if many people don’t.The real question isn’t "does my vote matter", it’s "which outcome is more likely to emerge given imperfect coordination"?Is it more likely that people fragment in their choices, or that they overwhelmingly default to red?The fragmentation is more likely, which makes blue the more robust strategy.
>>534132508like it or not, the retards that press blue need to exist. a world without retards will not have balance.
>>534136480>i dont want to live in a red-presser world anywayi dont actually want to live in a world either where most people cannot model other povs or think beyond first order hypotheticals. its not the fact that you press red but how fucking maximally sure you are about having seen angles and reasons for any other choice. you barely engage with the question just harp on endlessly about your entry lvl game theory insight and create retarded analogies of burning buildings and shock collars. ironically the ability you lack is what is needed to sort coordination problems on a civilizational scale. someone might vote blue just based on that, endorsing the kind of world he wants to live in
>>534147313Again, you're presenting blue as a false morality. "Trying to save..." But any attempt to pick blue causes death. In fact the ONLY way to cause death is to pick blue. Blue is not the moral choice
>>534147181>That isn't risk aversion, that's courting the possibility of mass genocide just for virtue points.The cognitive dissonance is unreal. You sure it isnt red that is killing everyone? But no, instead shame the blues for trying to save people. Expecting that 100% of people will just press red is retarded. You been shown time and time again that wont happen. Its not like 6 dudes pressing blue.
>>534147495>voting red only works if an overwhelming majority choose itNo actually it works perfectly fine regardless of every other button press on the planet. I didnt enter the woodchipper
>>534147667But the goal is to save as many people as possible (everyone).
>>534147640The only way this problem can result in death is by pressing blue. If this causes you to feel shame, maybe stop choosing death
>>534147313Imagine being so retarded you think the polls would reflect the real life results
>>534147775And once again, your effort towards that goal as an individual is pathetically small. If you convinced the entirety of California to vote for your ideal, and every californian complied, you would not have shifted the vote by even 0.5%
>>534147667>If I pour grease down my drain it clogs my sewer line, but if 50% of people pour grease down their drains the state will be forced to clean the sewer system for free! >Wtf why aren't you pouring grease down the drain you are literally making my toilet clog right now?????!?1 name one reason why you're selfishly not pouring grease down your drains and don't give me any of that "if no one poured grease down their drains we wouldn't need our sewer system unclogged of collagulated grease" shit I want a real answer for why you're so hekkin evil!
>>534132508>red lost even with /pol/ brigading the poll
>>534147796It doesnt. But its funny how redfags keep claiming their choice has no culpability at all. One button kills other people and the other doesnt. Its simple.
>>534147090THEYRE VOTING BLUE FOR A FUCKING POLL ON FUCKING TWITTER. ITS NOT REAL. >urrrr durrrrr this would reflect the real results grug smrt
>>534147907>he thinks red can lose in this setupWhat would you lose, anon, if you pushed the red button but most people pushed blue?
>>534147824lol>>534147876That just the same logic as tax revolt, which is based (but im paying my taxes, sorry revolution bros)
>>534147931>One button kills other peopleWell, no, it kills the person who pushed it. Did you read the options?
>>534147931>One button kills other people and the other doesnt. Its simple.You're correct.Pressing blue causes people to die. Anybody who presses blue is advocating for death. The only reason anybody is at risk of dying is because of blue pushers.
>>534147616You're both right and wrong. If you and 3 other people choose blue over red and there is a 2 vote differential, that means that 3 point difference has saved everyone's lives. It could make a huge difference, but if only 1 person chooses blue and 2 of them thought like you, that 1 person has killed himself. But high risk, high reward, the issue for you, and a lot of selfish assholes, is that the reward is people's lives.
>>534148000>>534147777
>>534148015Lmao, thats why I worded it that way. One button kills OTHER people. And you still tried to bait me lol. You are not refuting that are you?>>534148043Read above
>>534148015>>534148043i can understand how this makes sense to you. the asymmetry here is that you cant see other povs
>>534147313At no point during an internet poll did your self-preservation instinct kick in, the one that makes it near impossible for you to jump over the guardrail and to your death without suffering from mental illness.If the scenario were actual, that instinct would be going into overdrive if you saw the red bar grow a single pixel.
>>534148002No pouring grease down your drain is straight up a 1:1 of this "logic" problem. If only you do it, it's your problem. If a majority does it, everyone has to address it. The same destructive behavior but a different destructive act, just one the good person™ crowd would agree you shouldn't do.
>>534132508>Everybody in this experiment can press the red button and be fine.No, that’s false. Pressing the red button potentially makes you complicit in the death of blue pressers. You pressing the button raises the chance that others die. You can’t control what others do and there’s no way of knowing if everyone pressed the red button and thus be fine. So the blue button is the only one that does not result, for certain, in the deaths of others. Red pressers are sociopaths. What this experiment has convinced me is not that people are immoral but that they are fucking stupid as red pressers literally can’t understand this very simple logic. It’s not like they’re proud sociopaths, they just can’t follow logic.
>>534148108>>534148155Other POVs don't need to be considered when selecting red, you're right, because other POVs would have you believe that risking the lives of billions of people is the moral choice despite that "choice" being the only option that leads to death.
>>534132652they're trying to make the meme a 'thing' and failing again and again. /pol/ is ground zero for new types of information warfare. our adversaries are running low on resources so they need to make sure the weapon is effective before moving it over to twitter. think of all the weird memes which have been spammed at this site only to completely disappear within a few weeks because they couldn't get any traction
>>534148343Go ahead blue bro, answer the question>>534147088
>>534140816>I'm a coward with logic problems therefore everyone isRetard
If I went to the streets and held people at gunpoint presenting two buttons which had the options of them either being safe or a button which might cause me to come and kill them at a later date I'd have a 100% red pushes in an afternoon.
Which button would Jesus press?
>>534148408Your scenario *directly* contradicts the original scenario. You are trying to create one where the person voting has any form of insight into other votes. The original scenario states clearly: everyone is compelled to vote and the vote is private. You have to make up a new scenario because you know you’re wrong. In any case, I press blue because it would be immoral to be complicit in the death of others in order to assure my own survival. It’s no different than any other scenario where you are asked to kill innocents in order to assure your own survival. The moral choice is obvious.
>>53413893827 post.Mad
