Could he have saved AEW if he took the job as booker when AEW first started out? Could they have overtook WWE for even just 1 year?Serious discussion
>>16055495No, you fucking cuck worshiper He's been fired from every company that gave him a pity job and he ran his gay fed and ROH into the ground Why do you retards worship this failure?
his hatred of african-americans would prevent twitter aewtists from supporting them
>>16055495A start up can't be expected to develop the market saturation that a generational imdustry titan has in 5 years.
>>16055495>Could he have saved AEWfrom the sweet 9-figure TV deal they just got? based on Smokey Mountain going out of business, yes
>>16055504you mean the same fucking retards who make up about 300k who tuned into the last dynamite?
>>16055495He killed ring of honor
>>16055519>>16055503>killed ROHwhat did he do?
Given that he was fired from every job he ever had, that he has never been successful in the business, that all his ideas are old fashioned, unpopular and out of date, and that he is a walking PR disaster with poor interpersonal and professional skills, I would say that no, he could not have done anything to improve AEW.
>>16055495i dont think so. Nothing anginst cornette but tony wont let go of the book.
>>16055534>>16055513WWE poached all of his talent in the early 90s
>>16055539Cuck Defense Force has arrived
>>16055539Excuses are like assholes: Jim is a sorry one.
>>16055543what do you expect when you attack the only father they've ever had?
>>16055526Strapped a rocket to the ass of future wrestlemania main eventer Davey Richards
>>16055511Except this is pro wrestling, not a real industry. When NXT moved to Tuesdays and AEW were pulling over a million viewers weekly they had an actual chance to ride that wave into competitiveness. But the product was shit so over time they fell to embarrassingly low viewership
>>16055495>Could he have saved AEW if he took the job as booker when AEW first started out?Only if he had full creative control, but really anyone with a solid understanding of wrestling TV could have done it with that caveat. Tony's involvement has always been the problem preventing AEW from succeeding despite bankrolling it.>Could they have overtook WWE for even just 1 year?LMAO no, but it might have become a 2nd tier fed people could take seriously instead of TNA 2.0.
>>16055561He said that about Eddie Edwards too. Meanwhile Steen and Generico were the ones that actually did it
>>16055526Pushed fat fuck Steen and comedy jobber Generico
>>16055495>serious discussionNo. He would have hated it and quit. Realistically he would have clashed with Kenny and the Bucks over everything. I'm sure he would have tried his damndest and even had some bright spots, but AEW and Cornette would never gel.
>>16055495>Could he have saved AEW if he took the job as bookerhe wasn't offered a booking positiontony told him "nobody writes this show but me"
>>16055534meanwhile all the zoomers are flocking too the up to date fresh wrestling of aewoh wait lmao nevermind
>>16055760>quit.You mean get fired
>>16055700He had no interest in pushing Steen or Generico he hated them, he wanted to push Eddie Edwards, Davey Richards and Roderick Strong.
>>16055495He eventually would say or do something stupid and got them kicked off the air. Dynamite would turn into your pic which is boring Corny era ROH. Where he'd play favorites and push shitters like Davey Richards because they fucked his fat wife
>>16055777Bizarre comment
>>16055495Most wrestling fans off the street could probably have booked better than Tony, but Cornette in 2024 is absolutely not one of those people.
>>16055835>Most wrestling fans off the street could probably have booked better than TonyDamn sure this smooth brained board couldn't
>>16055495fucking nwa fired cucknette lmao
>>16055838As a whole the board can't do anything but some individuals on it maybe. But yeah any pw smark would generally be a far worse choice than the median wrestling fan off the street.
>>16055855Everyone did
>>16055538Tony contacted jim about something while aew was being developed, only jim can not discuss it due to an nda.
Cucknette was always a shit booker. He should have just stayed as a heel manager.
>>16055495He could still save AEW.
>>16055495Jim would have made 2024 AEW in 2019 by solely focusing on WWE cast-offs because "they're famous." This was a guy who wouldn't sign Super Smash Bros but he did sign Mike Mondo and the Headbangers even though they suck.
>he wanted to push Eddie Edwards, Davey Richards and Roderick StrongChrist....
>>16055495No because he doesn’t actually have solutions or good ideas anymore. Anyone can point out the flaws of a show. Most of the time he gives advice on his podcast it’s fucking dumb.
>Could this guy who ran every promotion he was in whose ideas only appeal to e-drones and boomers save a promotion that is now recording huge profits, is the only accessible alternative to e-slop and has a big TV deal
>>16055886Jim would have self sabotaged, the guy is terrified of actually doing anything worthwhile and with responsibility, so he'll always self sabotage and find an excuse. This time it'll be because he held a grudge against Kenny Omega for getting injured and then Kenny embarrassing him when Cornette accused him of lying.
>>16056691headbangers were dimes, turn in your shitty steak jacket right now
>>16055495All it would have done is give him an upgraded list of people he hates.
>>16055495By Cornette's own admission as far back as 2020, no he couldn't have saved AEW.The very people Tony Khan wanted to go in business with are the people who certified Cornette's belief that this was a lost cause from the get go.If Cornette got carte blanche to do what he wanted, it'd be a different matter, but he mentioned that Khan told him that wasn't going to be an option because Tony really, really wanted to work with the Young Bucks.The question for me has become if AEW could at this stage be saved at all if Cornette came in and got to clean the slate.The only people still watching it are the fans who'd tune off the moment they hear Cornette's involved.They're in such a work against Cornette that the mere suggestion of shadow booking, that is helping Tony without officially being involved, would make them change the channel and abandon ship.
>>16055602It would work if they had a system where anyone with creative input gives their ideas to Tony, Tony sits down with Cornette, they go over everything, and Tony lets Cornette filter everything into a cohesive show and make everything make sense and tell them how to pull shit off in a believable way and how talent can be produced. Then Tony goes back and has everyone do that. Don't have talent arguing with Cornette directly, but let them have their input and have it be put together by someone else.
>>16055511A start up can be expected to grow his market in 5 years.5 years ago when NXT and Dynamite competed on Wednesday nights, the viewers were fairly even.Just the other week, NXT got over double Dynamite's viewers. The market loss is bankruptcy inducing.
>>16056847It's too late because Cornette would do a reset where he takes like 6 months or a year to build shit back up, and the audience would revolt around the changes which would give Tony cold feet before the actual payoff can take place. Same thing happened with WCW when they gave the book to Sullivan and he tried to rebuild but they panicked and scrapped it all before it went anywhere.
>>16055495AEW needs an Ole Anderson type to run things. He doesn't even need to book. All he would have the power to do is evaluate the wrestlers and the booking to say if they would be a draw or the shits.
>>16056861NXT just got a big rebrand, heavily promoted the show and new network. Same happened last time.
>>16055526Made it profitable for the only time in it's entire history and kept it afloat long enough to sell to Sinclair, ensuring it would continue to provide work to wrestlers to this very day. But he didn't suck off Steen and Generico, and didn't book Evil Uno so he's bad.
>>16055495No. A writers room led by a Russo philosophy is the only way they could have overtook a demented Vince now they are fucked as if they ever pose a threat Ari Emmanuel will just have Tony extorted by Blackcube
I don't think he could fielded a roster with modern talent he'd want to book, nor would Tony be happy with the roster as Cornette would want. Tony wanted to hang out with the being the elite youtube channel, not Alexander Hammerstone and Jacob Fatu.And I don't think you get the hardcore super loyal fans willing to travel city to city to keep the company from looking like an indie until covid.
>>16056691The hand bangers had like 4 matches and they were them getting squashed on the tv show
>>16055526He gave title pushes to guys who weren't under contract, like a dumbass.
It’s wild how many people are pretending they were always on the right side of history with Davey Richards. You look up posts or YouTube videos from the time and people thought he was putting on 5 star bangers, Danielson said he was the new best in the world and indie fans believed him. It wasn’t until the jujitsu jack off comment were there ever any chinks in his armor.
>>16057191Also setup the NJPW partnership which is what led to its boom
>>16055495No. He hates almost everyone they have at that time. He'd be constantly arguing with Tony Khan, The Bucks and Omega. He'd only push traditional wraslin so Cody and MJF would be the only ones he likes. Maybe, maybe Jericho at that time. He'd have no idea what to do with the rest of the roster.
>>16059307Push guys with size and personality have them squash all the vanilla flippers
>>16056893AEW just got a new deal and it basically has unlimited money.
He would create alot of ""unique opportunities""for the male roster im sure
>>16059324It's AEW the only big guys they've ever had are Luchasaurus and Wardlow.
>>16056893Why doesn't AEW promote their shows then
>>16055495Cornette is an experienced television executive with a 40 year history of producing television and media.As Tony Khan recognised early, people like him would be a valuable asset to any company attempting to enter the pro wrestling space.But no, nobody could singlehandedly have changed the direction of a company. That's not really how companies work, they're a collection of people who all make small decisions that add up to the whole. Wrestling created the myth of the "booker" - a single powerful person who is responsible for the success or failure of the company. In reality, nobody including Vince McMahon or Tony Khan has that level of influence. Their job is to pick their team and get the best people possible in the correct positions and attempt to manage the situation and the interactions.
>>16059383Hobbs. The hairy Italian guy
>>16059557Miro, Brody King, Kyle Fletcher, Big Bill, Angelico
>From the fantasy booker general Running a simulation world in Pro Wrestling Sim. I levelled the playing field and stuck it on Amenisa mode. I then gave every company a decent TV deal for six months. I then gave each company a core roster of 12 wrestlers with written contracts. They could then book whoever they wanted after that. I then sat back and watched. To my amusement, I gave one of the promotions to Cornette and gave him people like CM Punk, FTR, Roderick Strong, and Cody Rhodes. I also created a new company with Vince McMahon, Vince Russo, and guys like Brock Lesnar, Mandy Rose, Eric Boogs, Elias, M&M, etc. Within a year, Cornette was out of business, and Vince's became one of the five largest wrestling companies. Oddly enough, Haitch ran WWE, and Shawn ran NXT (now its own company). WWE is struggling (not even in the top 10), whereas NXT is the sixth-largest wrestling company. Make of that what you will.
>>16056798Well yeah, cornette is quite proud of the grudges he has developed over the years so i could see him and the elite not getting on the same page while the elite work to push him out. I believe when jim was shown the roster he said nah didnt pursue the idea. Still though, it really wouldnt have worked out well if jim were with aew.
>>16055495This thread is proof that you retards have no idea what you’re talking about and terminally online shut ins
>>16055495Tony has a more profitable and successful company than Cornette has ever been associated with, including his time in WWF
>>16055495Name 1 time Cornette was successful as a booker
>>16056878Ole Anderson was shit. Everyone hated him and he drew no money
>>16059405Cornette is fat autist not a television executive
>>16060552Whether you like him or not doesn't change what his job roles were
>>16055495Nigga plz. Cornette almost drove the WWF out of business with Rock and Austin. Russo guided the final boom period with those same guys. Fuck Cornette and his sycophants. He sucks cock.
>>16060476He was successful at almost wasting the careers of two generational talents.
>>16060963He was a failure then
>>16061391>Cornette almost drove the WWF out of business with Rock and Austinproof?
>>16061405Your uneducated opinions also don't change what his job roles were
Nah. He's too up his own ass as well. Listen to some of the shit he finds cool and you realize he's way too stuck in the 80s. I think the main storys would be fine, but he'd fuck up the rest of the roster and never let people get over on their own.
>>16056849yeah cornette would be a great editor for a wrestling booker. let him look over your programs and try to fix your worst ideas, shit like that. you dont have to listen, but hes there. he'd never do that though, drive him nuts
>>16060070>Tony has a more profitable and successful company than CornetteLol. No. AEW has never made a profit. Smokey Mountain Wrestling was literally a more successful promo than AEW when judged strictly on merit. Shad Khan's willingness to piss away money on his son's retardation doesn't equal success.
>>16055495Raid so
>>16055503I thought the AEW into cuckoldry. There's so many gifs of AEW men just shoving their dicks in other men's faces.
>>16061500Nigger, look up where he worked and when
>>16055495No, you fucking mega retard
>>16055495No. He would have provided structure but he's not someone who will unify a locker room. The clique shit would have happened faster, would have been worse early on and ended with him quitting or getting fired and NDA'ed from speaking.
>>16055495Would have been way better than Tiny Klown, and that makes the AEWTISTS seethe.
>>16060070Tony Khans losses so far in AEW are estimated in the quarter of a billion dollar range. Jim Cornette could have lost $10 million dollars every single year he was ever in business and still be ahead of Khan.
SMW brought people joy. AEW has only caused division.
>>16063492SMW didn’t bring shit. It was completely irrelevant
>>16061522But Cornette is an objective failure. He’s been fired or pushed out from every job he’s had
>>16062446That's not cuckoldry you loon, that's straight faggotry
>>16063592Adrian Peterson was cut or traded or released or not renewed from every team he ever played for. This means his entire career was a failue.AEW fans are the most retarded fans on the planet, I swear to God
>>16063634>This means his entire career was a failueThis is true though
>>16063634What a completely retarded analogy. In no way is Cornette similar to a football player
>>16063592Everyone has been fired from or "pushed out" of every job they've had previously.
>>16055495He would have booked Terry Funk to stick a branding iron on Evil Uno's ass
>>16064287People retire bro. Not every one has an autistic meltdown because they can’t work with others
>>16064453He's still working as a podcaster and historian.
>>16064504But not as a booker/executive
>>16064347>He would have booked Terry Funk to stick a branding iron on Evil Uno's assKino
>>16063569The best American promotion of the 90s.
>>16064984No it wasn’t. Take Corby’s dick out of your mouth playa
>>16055495Hed just have them fuckin his fat wife for a push
>>16055539this
>>16060476he invented the hell in a cell and triple threat match
>>16055495no
>>16055495>>16055519>>16055561>>16055787>>16056707>he wanted to push these guys instead he's a moronMeanwhile tony R khan is pushing Wheler Uselss and Daniel Garcia constantly who are 5'7 max LMAO
>>16064520Lesnar vs Bam Bam Bigelow would have been megadimes
>>16055539Funny nobody brings up how Heyman had the same shit happened but turned into a promotion so strong it threatened both big ones despite being held together with duct tape chicken wire and and guys so high that they thought they were wrestling Godzilla
>>16063592That's the result of every single person who has ever worked outside retirement. Cornette is a subjective failure btw, not objective. For the record, every single business Tony Khan was involved with before AEW either filed for bankruptcy or he was removed by his Father due to complaints from actual executives.Cornette got his job because of his skills and experience in wrestling. Every job Khan has ever held all the way back to high school was directly funded and employed by his Dad including AEW.
>>16065379ECW in no way ever threatened the big two. It would like be suggesting now that WWE and AEW are being threatened by GCW.
He could beat up most of their roster
>>16055495>Could they have overtook WWE for even just 1 year?Yeah. Cornette's version of AEW wouldn't have cancer like Hangma'am, the Young Cucks, or Kenny Osmegma. And it wouldn't have pointless cold matches where main eventers struggle to beat jobbers or any of the other systemic problems AEW suffers from. I'm sure Corny could've surpassed the weak and wounded WWE of 2019 - 2021 but he wouldn't have been able to keep up the momentum forever. But even at its worst his AEW would be lightyears ahead of Tony's slop.
>>16065961beat off*
>>16065984Ah yes with the illustrious track record of Smoky Mountain of COURSE he'd have given that silly Tony a run for his moneyBy the way, AEW has been running for longer than SMW was alive
>>16066017SMW was a tiny indie that closed because it lost its main investor. If Shad pulled the plug on AEW then it would die within about 6 seconds.
>>16055495Nah his show would be just a different variety of shit
>>16066036So it was shit and couldn't make enough money to stay open. Nice self own cuck cultist.
>>16066036Hi I'm the guy you originally replied to but that other guy pretty much nailed it
>>16055495He couldn't start the Attitude Era with all the same talent that Russo utilized to maximum effect so no.
>>16064520Ah yes, the legendarily awful WWF vs. WCW Wrestlemania, which makes no fucking sense. Kek.
>>16055503Kek he's never been fired, he just walks off
>>16055495Did he "save" any of the other promotions he's booked for his entire career? He would have just tried to book the same shit he did in ROH with the same guys until Pockets or someone he didn't like pushed him to slap them and he'd walk off and quit.
>>16066041Yes, Cornette couldn't make a wrestling company work for several years in the biggest downturn in the history of wrestling.Tony Khan has lost half a billion dollars trying the same thing in one of the most profitable eras ever.You know how everybody here knows you're a loser? It's because you think the fact that Cornette went out of business once makes him a failure. Tons of entrepreneurs go out of business and are perfectly competent.The difference isn't that Tony has gone out of business once, it's that's Tony has gone out of business or been forcibly removed from every single company that he has ever worked for, all funded directly by his Dad, and is still losing hundreds of millions collectively on his most recent venture.It's not the same thing. You're comparing a man who has made a decent living out of professional wrestling off his own back for 40 years with some autistic kid whose Dad is paying for his hobby to keep him away from FnG and the actually valuable assets.
>>16055495>Could he have saved AEW if he took the job as booker when AEW first started out?He would have been forced out 10 times faster than Punk the moment he dared criticize the undesirables (Bucks, OC and the rest of the dimeless faggot gang). If for some reason Tony took Jim's side on things then they would be in a better position now and not cause of Cornette but because that alt timeline Tony would take advice, hire other propoer people to manage the promotion and regulate the talent and he would have his retard ideas get talked out of him. >Could they have overtook WWE for even just 1 year?Zero chance
>>16064562so to you, unless you maintain the peak of your life/dream forever you are a failure? hows that going for you?
>>16055513>9 figureNice headcanon
>>16055495I dont think it would make a difference, given the sort of talent that's out there to be hired. Like, jim's advice is usually correct or at least defensible, but its not like the bucks, oc, jericho, mox, kenny, malakai, wardlow, sammy, jungleboy, miro, andrade, luchasaurus or anybody else wouldve listened.
>>16055495Nope
>>16055534Huh what do you mean
>>16067706>its not like the bucks, oc, jericho, mox, kenny, malakai, wardlow, sammy, jungleboy, miro, andrade, luchasaurus or anybody else wouldve listened.Cool then just release them. None of these names are anything to write home about. Miro and Black have talent, but they aren't irreplaceable. Who gives AF about Kenny or JB.
>>16064520How anyone can look at this card and think this man is a good booker is beyond me.>>16059776Dimes thread, been enjoying read the anon's stories.
Like it or not Cornette can build wrestlers up, make generic storylines with good payoff, and book proper wrestling far better than Tony Khan can or ever will. He couldn't save AEW because the wrestlers in AEW genuinely think they're doing great stuff. They don't care if no one wants to watch their shows, they're doing it for themselves.
>>16067111Literally better than the Invasion Vince booked.
>>16055495why do people on here mention cornette or russo so much? there have been countless bookers over the years i dont get the obsession with these two. people only tuned in to aew in the beginning out of curiosity nobody could save it because everything has been done before and better and prowrestling is too women/fag oriented to ever be what it used to be
