They need a better booker.

>>16141598
I don't watch AEW, so I don't care

>>16141598
Tony really need to get someone who knows how to book
and most importantly, he needs to stop letting wrestlers book themselves, even more so people like Jericho and Moxley

>>16141598
A young, completely out of touch with humanity, billionaire is using 'the best roster in the world' as his personal toy box. Theres no money making strategies, no long term booking, no reason for anything to even exist other than his personal whims.

And it will NEVER get better because he has nobody to answer to, and the wrestlers will never give a shit because theyre being paid hand over fist to just show up. There are people on that roster that havent seen television time in YEARS (hello abadon)

>>16141598
stop booking 12 minute heatless matches, tony

>>16141598
Tony is a really bad booker who tries to do two things at once and either accomplishes nothing or 1 thing poorly

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They're no longer the show I enjoyed from 2019-2022. I can't put it into words, but there's something missing. Current AEW is way, way more polished than it was in the past though, I'll give them that

>>16141615
>>16141629
Why? Their current one is objectively the most successful booker in wrestling today.

>>16141636
>completely out of touch with humanity,

You're thinking of the old pervert who got ganked from his own company. Or maybe his nepo-in-law that said he doesn't see colour (yikes)

Most of the 'constructive criticism' I read is basically 'Just do things more like WWE does them!' but I don't see how that would work when WWE fans are already happy with their show and have no reason to check out another product. Most of them are WWE fans not wrestling fans. There's no point bowing to them too much. It's actually a miracle AEW gets the viewers it does now considering some people have only known WWE for decades. There was a period of time we had TNA, but it didn't really last long

Cut down on the 'bangers' and get some better writers on board and you can turn things round. Please don't listen to WWE fans who say you need recaps every 5 minutes and announcers spoonfeeding them everything. You are not winning over any casual fans or anything of the sort so get that idea out of your head right now. Wrestling is a joke to most people and mostly watched by kids. The last thing AEW needs to be doing is booking in the hope some guy is going to stumble across wrestling for the first time in 20-30 years

You know if you download RAW and SD the next day you can watch them in 1 hour and 20 minutes. Now imagine you don't watch Cody or Jey etc make their entrance every week and you skip the women shit you're probably looking at less than an hour. Their PLE usually have less than 90 minutes of wrestling. To me watching this live is insanity. I feel like Tony is much more interested in giving the viewer a proper show, he just doesn't quite get it. I don't come away from every AEW show thinking 'that was great!' but I don't come away thinking 'Man I wish I never bothered' like I do most of the time watching WWE when it's not WM season.

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>>16141598
>What is your CONSTRUCTIVE criticism of AEW?
Everything about AEW is bad and it's ultimately all Tony's fault. The only way to fix AEW is for Tony to step down but he'll never do that so AEW is unfixable.
>They unquestionably have the best roster in the world
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry but no. AEW has one of the worst rosters ever assembled. 99% of the "talent" are unwatchable shitters who can't wrestle, can't promo, have no charisma, and look like random 5'6" guys off the street. A tiny handful of people on the roster are actually good like Mark Briscoe, Christian, and Darby but they're hamstrung by AEW's terrible creative direction so their skills just end up being wasted. Mark just jobbed to 10,000 year old staler-than-a-Ritz-cracker-in-the-Sahara-desert fat washed up Jericho for fuck's sake. Watching the few talented people in AEW struggle to make chicken salad out of chicken shit is like watching a movie where good actors flounder because the script sucks, the director sucks, the rest of the cast sucks, and the production sucks.

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>>16141598
I don't know how to describe it, but I feel like there's a lot more stuff making the air that seems like they didn't do the least bit of storyboarding for. Like atleast I can understand the heatless bangers because that's the kind of shit this company was built on. It's when they do actual storytelling and just drop it that just has me thinking "Why the fuck did you even air this if you didn't have a plan for it"?
I know there was that Alvarez line of "there isn't any long term booking anymore and it's all week to week" but some of this shit genuinely seems like someone pitched an idea the day of the show with no logic behind it and then just think "eh we'll figure it out what to do next week" and then not do anything with it.

>>16141737
This is the type of shit you write when you don't watch anything but WWE and think /pw/ shitposting is meant to be taken seriously.

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>>16141737
>AEW has one of the worst rosters ever assembled.

>>16141865
You're mentally ill.

>>16141615
>>16141629
I SAID CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM EDRONES!!!!

>>16141662
>objectively the most successful booker in wrestling today
Okay so you’re either baiting or shoot retarded

>>16141598
Best roster in the world kek can’t draw a fucking dime

>>16141901
Literally whom is his competition: Gedo?

>>16141598
>They unquestionably have the best roster in the world, there must be something that could make you watch.
A crossover with NXT, like what they're doing with TNA, where a few of AEW's biggest stars show up on Tuesday and get some shine, while NXT sends Sol Ruca and maybe another girl to Dynamite to help out there.

>>16141924
It was on. You're still mentally ill. Go show a shrink your little image and explain it.

>>16141598
Best roster in the world, yes. Far too big though and Tony Khan is unable to realize that.
You can't have a compelling storyline if every wrestler has 1 match and 1 segment in 2 months cause they need to rotate the roster. Most of the roster looks like jobbers because of this. Even midcarders
>show up
>they're trying to make you look like a thread
>lose
>leave for 2 months
>repeat

>>16141964
Who's not getting consistent TV time and should be? Names.

>>16141662
>Why? Their current one is objectively the most successful booker in wrestling today.

No, you fucking moron. No. The only objective metric that exists for aew is its growth in complete disinterest. Their attendance sucks, interest has never been lower, the shows have never felt more hopeless and they have no one on the roster that could reverse their fortune because their booker is special needs.

>but the tv deal!!!!1!!

Made up. If the terms rumored were real, there wouldnt be secrets surrounding them. Tony got an extention making what he was already making and started ppv revenue splits in exchange for wbd money paid in advance to save face and make it look like he 'negotiated' something for 2 years.

All of you believing otherwise are mark fucking retards

>>16141598
My biggest problem with AEW outside if the hallmarks everyone mentions is that they constantly are starting and ending gimmicks an factions. The Pinnacle is an obvious example, but remember MJF as "The Wolf of Wrestling." How long did that last? Not even a month?

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>>16141859
This is another one of AEW's problems. I just clearly and accurately spelled out what's wrong with AEW, and I'm immediately pounced on by the AEW Internet Defense Force on their never-ending mission to deny reality. Tony looks at sycophants like this and it just re-enforces his delusions that he's doing a great job, AEW is flawless, and its misfortunes are purely the result of external forces. They're even pretending it has a good roster when it produces garbage like this.

>>16141977
Is this Denial or Bargaining?

>mark fucking retards

sers we do not sign our posts here do the needful

>>16142029
>AEW Internet Defense Force

That's not a thing. Clip is just standard llaveo btw.

>>16142029
They will never learn and AEW will continue to fall into irrelevancy just like TNA while they will continue to deny any problems with the program

>>16142045
TNA's irrelevant? So much for that partnership.

>>16142029
kek I wonder what the guy in the hat was saying

>>16141977
>interest has never been lower
They're 5 years old. There's not a single company that's ever had 5 consecutive years of good TV. 1999 was a successful year for WWE but the product was garbage before you start.

>>16142049
Yes, any promotion that needs partnerships to gain buzz is irrelevant. That’s why they only send NXT women over there. It’s why AEW and NJPW are also both irrelevant.

>>16142061
Yeah because they turned shit around. What could AEW turn around to gain interest again?
>inb4 nothing
This is why you fail

>>16142029
>Thread about AEW criticism
>Erm akshully you think AEW is perfect and don't take criticism
You sound like what an AI trained on /pw/ would say.

>>16142064
>e-drone mad nobody wants to partner with him

I'm describing both his favourite fed AND his personal "life"!

>>16142079
Drones can't be AI. Since AI has SOME intelligence. My favourite part is when he acts like it takes some massive orchestrated conspiracy for multiple people to realise he's a dickhead. KWAB.

>>16142082
Please read my post again before spewing more inane pigslop

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>>16142036
>That's not a thing.
It's literally you. You're denying the AEW Internet Defense Force exists while simultaneously defending and making excuses for the trash AEW puts out.

Nothing in AEW matters
Nothing that happens has any consequences or gets followed up on. Things just happen, there are no stakes, nothing to care about.
There is little to no character work, and the little there is gets spread so thin you wouldn’t even be able to butter your toast.
Upper card guys go 10+ minutes with job guys every week, and instead of having those top guys feud with each other they have heatless bangerinos with Dante Martin/Ar Fox/etc. There is no sense of upper lower and mid card because every wrestler can take anyone else to their limit every week.
There are a million mid card titles but nothing to differentiate any of them.

>>16142079
>>16142082
>exactly 1 minute apart
Pigtits isn’t very good at disguising himself

>>16142087
>begging for someone to read his post again

Grim. Do you need a grown-up to read it for you?

>>16142090
You're literally insane. And you're gonna prove it when you keep posting your collection of cherrypicked WEBMs.

>>16142079
>>16142082
What's your criticism of AEW?

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>>16142103
TIIIIIME TO TAAAAAKEEE THE MEDDDDDSSS

>>16142096
>million
>three

>>16142106
Its existence is like a mental war crime for e-drones.

Stop pushing guys who obviously aren’t it. Garcia, Sammy, Perry, the bucks and Yuta come instantly to mind.
Book your top guys weekly. And book your guys with potential in ways they can succeed. I think Kyle Fletcher has a lot of potential, but he doesn’t need to cut a promo longer than 90 seconds at this point.
Have faces and heels. It will help ground a lot of performances and give the audience a reason to care about matches that just out of no where. You also have 200 wrestlers under contract so it’s not like you’re limiting your match ups.

I don’t agree that AEW has a great roster. Some of them are pretty good. And there are others who are very athletic, but that doesn’t make them good pro wrestlers. Maybe it’s just a difference in preference, but I don’t think that doing a shitload of cool looking moves to each other in cooperation, only to get up instantly to do more moves ad nauseam for 40 minutes makes for a good wrestling match. If they had one or two guys who wrestled that style, it might have its place. But it’s every guy, in every match. Same with their “hardcore” stuff. It’s gotten to the point where they could sodomize each other with chainsaws and the viewers would just roll their eyes. 90% of the roster knows how to do wrestling moves, but they don’t have a fucking clue how to have a compelling match. Add to that the fact that Tony Khan has no idea how to book, and that’s how you end up losing half of your audience in 2 years.

Edrones always have to make everything about themselves, it just exposes they white knight for a children’s TV show aimed at retards

>>16142061
Kek yeah anon, I’m sure AEW is right on the cusp of their 1999 WWE run.

To any actual AEW fans on this board currently, do you actually like Rovert being your representative here?

>>16142073
AEW is cold and it's very hard to get out of that spot and I have no idea what the answer is desu dawg. You definitely need a build up a core group of guys and they need to be all over the show most of the time. I started rewatching stuff from 96 and I just got to April 97 and the shows have a lot in common with Dynamite desu. The shows are full of matches between geeks and flippy guys, guys just debut with no build or video package. Rey Mysterio just rocks up in WCW and gets over with talent alone. The biggest difference is wrestling doesn't have that star power anymore. Back then you'd watch a match between two randos because you knew the NWO were coming or Taker, Austin, whatever. We don't really have that now, but that doesn't mean you can't build that core group of guys I was talking about and AEW has enough talent to do that. AEW generally just goes from segment to segment rather than a chapter of a story taking place over the course of the night

>>16142105
>>16142113
>>16142122
https://youtu.be/KV7ujxArbx8?si=tWywJxmdpgCq-1uf

At this point I will never watch AEW simply because AEW fans are the most insufferable dipshits on the planet, and I refuse to support the thing they are passionate about. I feel the same way about Rick and Morty and transexual prostitutes. These things could be incredible, but I’ll never know because their fan base has completely pushed me away from the product.

>>16142105
>You're literally insane.
Nah. Again, that's literally you. So anyway, what's your criticism of AEW? Surely you have some. It's not like the AEW Internet Defense Force actually exists and you're a member of it, right?

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>>16142113
>The AEW Internet Defense Force isn't real
>I refuse to criticize AEW on any level and I purposefully go looking for people criticizing it so I can attack them btw

>>16141598
I dont give a shit about their roster at all
There is no wrestler I care on that company

>>16142176
You say this like you post in good faith lol. It's always the same shit with you. Always the same clips. You cry about a defence force but you spend your time doing this multiple times a week. You're both annoying as fuck bro.

>>16142149
>sloppAI

>>16142131
>>16142176
>>16142153
Meds.

>4 minutes apart

Oh boy he PERCOLATIN'

>>16142152
What does this even mean? AEW doesn't have an exclusive fanbase, everyone who watches it is a general wrestling fan and most of them also watch WWE. Shit like this reads like you've invented an enemy in your head.

>>16142115
Tony thinks these guys with potential need to job endlessly until the audience no longer cares about them, then he starts pushing them

>>16142131
He’s made it impossible for us to post outside of gamethreads

>>16142182
morning ser

>>16142116
Smackdown lost half its audience in 2 months.

>>16142222
worked for Misawa

>>16142207
Kek this pig seethin’

>>16141598
>there must be something that could make you watch.
lol lmao even
wrestling works because you make people care about your roster an what happens to them. They care more about empty matches without importance that building something.
guess why the majority of people dropped aew at all
>>16142152
>uhm i dont like this because of le fanbase
pathetic

>>16142230
We don't sign our posts here.

>>16142231
>that building something.
>guess why the majority of people dropped aew at all
ser?

>>16142255
Surely this post will get more people to watch AEW

>>16142262
I'm not speaking to any people. Just (You).

>>16142264
Surely this post will also get more people to watch AEW

>>16142266
>uhm i dont like this because of le fanbase
PATHETIC desu

>>16142271
Surely this post too will get more people here to watch AEW

>>16142284
Spam it again little man, it'll surely unhurt your feelings this time.

>>16141615
Bitchtits can't follow simple directions. Color me surprised LOL.
What's next, it's his daddy's money?
Vince didn't love his own son Shane enough to leave him the company, instead he sold it to a kikenstien.
The fucking cope from pigs is astonishing.

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>>16141598
I already watch every week. No notes. Keep bringing the wrestlekino, TK.

>>16142289
Maybe this post might get more people to watch AEW

>>16141737
totally not deranged lol

>>16142298
Oops, looks like it didn't unhurt your feelings this time either.

>>16141972
Guys like Takeshita should be on every single show with important angles. Takeshita for example has been in AEW for like 2 years and only like 2 months ago he started to be a regular on the shows

>>16142319
>only like 2 months ago

That's bullshit lmao, last year's anniversary PPV ended with his heel turn.

>>16142149
>tracker link
Get fucked

>>16142262
nah they are doing fantastic , 600k is the new million its a perfect product and its people's fault no one is watching and supporting the most amazing tv show ever

>>16142324
What did he do after that? Stay behind Don Callis for 8 months and what else?

>>16142329
Like how 1.3m is the new 4.5m?

>>16142336
He pinned Kenny on PPV. Twice. In the same week.

>>16142317
>>16142329
Surely these posts will get more people to watch AEW

>>16142347
So he did something for 2 weeks and stayed at home for the rest of the year. You're right. AEWs roster size is fine

>>16142347
Surely this will get more people to watch AEW

>nice peaceful thread discussing AEW’s flaws
Edrones:
>REEEEE DONT FORGET ABOUT US AND OUR OPINIONS…. UHHH…. CRAYON TASTE GOOD

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>>16141662
>>16142036
>>16142105
>>16142207
>>16142255
What the fuck is wrong with Trevor bros?

>>16142365
Much like Tony, he’s been completely mindbroken by WWE

so wheels legit hate gayew right? no one can be this deranged
almost like he makes souring people opinion about gayew here

>>16142365
>>16142372
"Trevor" doesn't post here. You are mentally ill and fat. Get a life.

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>>16142377
Actually I'm mentally ill and in fantastic shape

>>16142377
Surely this post will get more people to watch AEW

>>16142375
>almost like he makes souring people opinion
good morning sirs

>>16142383
post physique
>>16142384
lose weight

>>16142375
Off topic post

>>16142375
What? Shut the fuck up retard

>>16142352
>pig-on-pig crime

>>16142353
>AEWs

Smackdownie...

I'd list more facts about what Take has been doing, but you clearly have an adversarial relationship with realiy.

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>stories exist but they are weak
>you don't care about the wrestlers at all
>only ppv matter
>booking so bad it ruins wrestlers momentum
>short term booking in the worst possible way
i wonder why people are not supporting aew like they did before...truly a mystery

>>16142383
"Round" is a shape. Not a fantastic one though.

>>16142392
>>16142416
Surely these posts will get more people to watch AEW

Is this just a troll thread to make AEW fans look like insufferable retards.

>>16142434
It's not very effective if so, seeing as the most insufferable ones by far are the e-drones crying over AEW hurting their feelings.

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>>16142392
>>16142424
But enough about you

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>>16142416
I dont care about WWE, they produce the worst shows I've ever seen. I'm an inherent AEW fan which is why I want to improve on things they don't do well.
The more I talk to you the more I think you're a false flagging edrone. Possibly even OP

>>16142434
Yes. See >>16142416 >>16142454

>>16142444
fpbp

>>16141662
>>16142296
imagine thinking wheels care about gayew at all with these responses

>>16142463
holy gibberish

>>16142467
good morning sers

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>>16141598
TK is an awful booker who has lost sight of what made AEW, AEW. He needs to swallow his pride and hand over the primary booking duties to someone like Scott D'amore or Don Callis. TK can still focus on his own personal projects (maybe even making ROH the place he books them), but the main duties should be handed off to someone else. There also needs to be a serious re-evaluation of the roster, cutting those who don't want to be there or are too much of a headache. Others must also be warned to get with the program (FTR springs to mind).

Personally, (if I were in charge) I would warn FTR about their behaviour in the tag division, give the Bucks, Moxley, and Jericho some time away, and refocus the women's division on Hayter, Shida, May, Storm, Athena, Sakura, and Statlander. The main woman's championship belt will be hard-hitting, fast matches - similar to All Japan Women's Pro-Wrestling. The TBS title will be more sport-entertainment orientated, becoming a platform for Saraya, Harley, Willow, Blue, Hart, Baker, and Jay.

I'd also send guys like Jack Perry, Kip Sabin, Will Hobbs, Cole, The Kingdom, and FTR to Japan, not for punishment, but to strengthen my relationship with the promotions and help thin the roster. I would put a focus on Fletcher, Ospreay, MJF, Strickland, Wardlow, Page, Brain Cage, Archer, Killswitch, Takeshita, Lil'Nigga, Pac, Penta (solo push), and acts like the Out Runners, The Acclaimed, Private Party, and Gates of Agony.

I'd also rework characters like the Dark Order, OC, and Top Fight.

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>>16142212
Yeah anon, AEW fans are a very diverse group of totally normal people. And not a single one of them smells like onions.

>>16142467
What? Good morning sir? Take 5 minutes to write properly retard

>>16142553
>focus on gates of agony, acclaimed private party

lol.

>>16142553
>FTR about their behaviour in the tag division

what in the actual fuck are you talking about?

>Jack Perry, Cole, The Kingdom & FTR to Japan

lol been there, done that

>he needs to hand the booking over to guys who got FIRED BY TNA


>>16142557
>onions
BTFO

>>16142578
Hilarious that he talks about sending guys to Japan but yet not Private Party, dudes who've been begging for an excursion since 2021.

>Brain Cage
kek

>>16142553
>I'd also send guys like Jack Perry, Kip Sabin, Will Hobbs, Cole, The Kingdom, and FTR to Japan
We don't want them

>>16142592
We don't want them

>>16142584
Holy reddit spacing, Batman!

>>16142607
>We don't want them
Kek as if you have a choice. Tony will gladly send his shitters to Japan to stink up the joint and you will happily take them and ask for seconds like the bottom bitches you are. NuJapan is Tony’s BITCH.

>>16142607
I've seen the Super Jr Tag lineup, you absolutely need anyone you can get.

>>16142609
G
E
D

AEW doesn't have credibility when it comes to storylines. The hangman and swerve feud was the closest and even then it didn't hit home as much as WWE feuds because in WWE there is that inherent competition of out selling merch, being the top guy, getting the main event spot. AEW the wrestlers barely want to wrestle and are too chummy with one another.

This falls on Tony Khan. He stated he liked when there was some heat backstage to help the storylines however how didn't sit Bucks and Punk backstage and tell them to do business he separated them and it made things worse. AEW needs storylines that are not only compelling but need to blend the realities of real and script

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I feel like the whole roster is just very, very unorganized in terms of jobber/lowcard/undercard/midcard/uppermidcard/uppercard/mainevent. Some are randomly in one place or in the other week in week out. Some are placed completely where they don't fit, nor they flourish - Yuta, Garcia are the brightest examples. Also, the matches are too long and too often more 50/50 or 60/40 so it's way harder to root for someone when they don't have that presence of counter/dominating
Honestly just looking at the weekly booking, if you switched a few things it looks a lot better.
Also AEW needs way more GOOD backstage segments that flesh out some characters or make them stick with something for a month or two - not for an episode or two. Right now there are barely any good/interesting gimmicks.

>make OC a comedy midcard act again, as he should be
>make Mox an upper midcard "EXTREME WRESTLING" showcase where he has some blood feuds and brings out random guys like Nick Gage or Shlak
>Trios and ROH 6 man titles combined and moved EXCLUSIVELY onto either Rampage, Collision, or to ROH
>ROH - move onto youtube and DON'T crossover onto the main shows unless you prepare for it with video packages and other shit
>push Outrunners
>don't let women main event any shows
>don't let women take more than 10 minutes of weekly screentime
>give the completely Generic Indie Wresters more gimmicks and different clothes
>where it's a big guy vs small guy match, it HAS to be booked at least 60/40 in favor of the big guy and the smaller guy can only win via underdog tactics

>>16142623
>>16142625
We don't want them.

>>16142629
>t didn't hit home as much as WWE feuds because in WWE there is that inherent competition of out selling merch, being the top guy, getting the main event spot.

Jesus fucking Christ lmao

>>16142632
>We don't want them.
Based Tony doesn’t care

>>16142623
>and you will happily take them and ask for seconds
I only ever saw people on /pw/ complaining about Perry and Yuta stinking up Japan, thoughever?
Fans of products outside of AEW actually have a degree of free will to criticize what they're seeing instead of just leaping to it's defense, it appears that baffles you, kek

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>>16142578
>Gates of Agony
Like it or not, they offer something different to the division and stand out from the other teams.
>Acclaimed
Still incredibly over, despite the questionable booking. With proper programs, they could be a great asset.
>Private Party
They could be good in Japan, and I wouldn't be against them going over there, but I think we need some OG teams around until the division is stable. Proud and Powerful aren't around anymore, nor are the Best Friends, the Lucha Bros, Jurassic Express, and SCU. Got to deal with the hand I've been dealt.
>>16142584
Any team that remotely gets over, they immediately attach themselves to. They also held the division to ransom, making it nearly unwatchable. As for behaviour, their retarded tweeting needs to be reigned in.
>>16142607
Neat, I'll send them somewhere else. I wonder if NOAH or AJPW would be interested.

Acclaimed was unironically one of the reasons I tuned in, because of Max's rap. Shame he randomly fumbles it nowadays or does some real weak shit
also AEW has way too many storylines/moments that end up going nowhere - like the homosexual duet of MJF and Caster

>>16142645
>W-we actually like your bottom of the barrel shitters! Yummy!
Kek spoken like true cucks lmao. We own you faggots

>>16142660
State of your reading comprehension

>>16142625
Surely…

>>16142641
It's the mindset in WWE. You want to be the top guy or on top of the card. That's what drives wrestlers. In AEW you just want the paycheck and wrestle with your friends. Other than Omega, Ospreay, MJF (at the beginning) and Darby I don't see the rest of the roster motivated to be the best they just are happy to be on TV and collect their paychecks

>>16142664
State of your bitchtits kek

>>16142646
Buddy they got BBG, patriarchy, hob. Bcc, They don’t need more factions. Focus on those 4

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>>16142660
How did you read that post and come to the exact, precise opposite conclusion of what was being said?

>>16142646
If you can't see FTRunners is leading to a turn you're even dumber than I thought.

>They also held the division to ransom,

nigga literally WHAT the FUCK are you talking about?

>>16142657
The storyline culminated with the Undisputed Kingdom mercing The Acclaimed. Watch the show.

>>16142669
>I don't see

Facts. Your feelings.

>>16142131
Idk what a “Rovert” is, but yeah these AEW fans are insufferable retards.

>>16142678
Doesn’t matter. You can complain all you want and NuJapan will still jump at the chance to swallow Tony’s sloppy seconds. Just just have to sit there and take it.

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>>16142684
The 1/4th crowd also don't see a reason to attend the shows

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>>16142690
>Just just have to sit there
Well, nobody ever accused AEW fans of being intelligent, I suppose.

>>16142702
>having to post Smackdowns from over a year ago

kek the cooloff was even worse than I thought

>>16142704
>heh he made a typo that means I won
Seethe cuck

>>16142131
nah he's a cultist retard

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>>16142625
>I've seen the Super Jr Tag lineup
This is based thoughbeit?

>>16142734
It's probably the best lineup they've had in a while, but that's not saying much.

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>>16142677
>Bang Bang Gang
Solid, but I think there are too many issues with them at the moment - mostly due to Tony Khan's booking - the less said about Full Gear, the better. I personally would have White and Robinson mixing it up in the singles division, same with the Lucha Bros, as they're too talented not to. As for the Gunns, while I like them, they need to be a side project which is brought back in.
>Patriarchy
Christian Cage should be used sparingly, and I've already got plans for Killswitch and the same for Nick Wayne. I don't want Killswitch and Wayne to become Jurassic Express 2.0.
>House of Blacked
Sadly, the audience has been conditioned to see them as jobbers. Perhaps a spell in Mexico or Europe could help freshen them up.
>BCC
Stale. I like the BCC, but it, like the Bucks, has too much baggage, and I need to reset the company, not give a paint over it.
>>16142684
Holy shit, have we found the actual FTR fan on this board?

>>16142734
mogs aew's roster

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>>16142715
More recent then

I don't have criticism for it because I don't watch it.

>>16142755
>catturd

>>16142764
>more recent
>intentionally cutting off anything that could be used to ID when it was

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>>16142782
>Complaining about people posting cats on 4chan
Go back.

The only consistent draws they ever had were old WWE guys and Kenny Omega. Now all of those guys are either injured, retired or back in the WWE, and the few ones left (Jericho & Mox) are heels and people are sick of them. So they are left with a bunch of PWG shitters that only work for smarks in small venues and not on TV.

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>>16142782
Here ya go Salt Lake City Dynamite last most recent show.

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>OP asks for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism about AEW
>Thread gives constructive criticism
>NOOOO!!! YOU'RE WRONG! THE WBD DEAL! EVERYTHINGS FINE!

Don't ask for something you clearly don't want

>>16142870
Link one post that was constructive and got attacked.

>>16142870
Trev is deranged.

>>16142905
>The booking is bad >>16141615
>SUCCESSFUL BOOKER! >>16141662

Literally the first post.

>>16142918
That's not constructive. Who's a better booker they could get? What could they book that is better than what they have now? That would be constructive.

>>16142934
Given that AEW was good to begin with because people were handling their own angles and following up existing, pre-heated stories/themes from NJPW and even MLW (Hangman coming into his own, Kenny's egotism, Jericho being Jericho, MJF being a heel ringleader of cronies), basically anyone would be better than Tony as the show took a noticeable dip in quality when he started handling the show more broadly instead of leaving figureheads to their devices.
Basically any given booker., there's no bar to meet because Tony has put the bar at ground level.

>>16142969
this, even cucknette would be better at using tony's resources
tony should just be a passive investor

>>16142934
Here's an example:
>Tony just books PPVs
>I want Mox vs Danielson for AEW title
>3 weeks to build this feud
>Hand it to the writers to make that feud interesting

Or hire competent writers that will make the 50 tag/singles matches in the undercard actually mean something rather than "Its a PPV we need to have 10 matches on this card"

>>16142152
You are awfully butthurt and shook, and I appreciate your honesty. ultimately I'm glad you have been gatekept out of the AEW fandom.

My criticism of AEW is that I want AEW Dark back, or at least ROH on some network at a fixed timeslot so I can watch it with people. I'm really not sure what the plan is with ROH since it houses many of my favorite guys but nobody watches their show which is a pretty big problem. I think maybe Tony fucked up by purchasing ROH because he thought Phil was going to hang around. Otherwise I don't have many complaints about AEW I think it's pretty good - they have suffered as a result of the saturation and exposure but that is inevitable and was also necessary for them to achieve profitability so I don't hold it against them.

>>16142467
Street shitting doesn't draw, Brother.

>>16142934
>Who's a better booker they could get? What could they book that is better than what they have now?
Unironically Jeff Jarret. The real issue in AEW is how bubble-versed its become. Tony is late stage Vince in the sense he is surrounded by nothing but cronies and sycophants. And even late stage Vince allowed other voices to enter his head. Prime Vince was willing to give other people room to book, and explore ideas. Tony's fed is all about making every retarded idea Tony has a reality. Giving the book to anyone in the company comes with the reality that Tony is going to most likely have heavy influence on that person and so will politics. I think Jeff would be a good short term answer. He has enough experience dealing with money marks and politicking faggots. He's been in feds major and otherwise. He's started his own. he has connections to the past, and alot of current wrestlers. He's even keel. Will he be able to challenge WWE? No idea. But he would right AEW's sinking ship. He'd give them direction, stability and cohesion things they dont have now because the fed revolves around the way Tony thinks. Tony is not organized in his thoughts. Telling people you altered your booking by rotating your notebook does not inspire confidence. Tony has matches he wants to see and he could run those by Jeff and allow Jeff and whatever team Jeff needs for support, to build actual feuds to lead to those matches. Tony is not a booker. He is an owner.

Thread is proof that, just like Tony, aew fans will never take any criticism and continue doing things the way they do.

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>>16143194
This thread of them asking for and taking criticism is proof they will never take criticism

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>>16141598
>Best roster of the world
I stopped just there.

>>16141598
>They unquestionably have the best roster in the world
LMFAO

>>16143194
Sad but true. I stopped supporting AEW when I realised that none of the talent I valued or was invested in would be treated well. It's frustrating as they have an excellent roster, but it doesn't mean anything because TK's booking holds them back.

>>16143660
Give examples

>>16141598
AEW has a roster full of amateurs. They suck bro

>>16143919
Could be worse, they could have main event Solo Sikoa.

>>16142096
>Upper card guys go 10+ minutes with job guys
This for sure. A year ago or so Jay White came in and was selling his ass off and holding the ropes for Komander like a jabroni. Just this week, with a big money match next week, Kamille went 40-60 with Queen I'mmanutonthosetitties, who had already lost to Sasha. Like, the fuck is the point of the heater if they beat the person after the stable head already beat them?

Also pushing Daniel Garcia this hard wtf

>>16143968
>selling is bad
>matches are bad
>getting new talent over with matches is bad
I just don't understand criticism like this, it makes me think people just want to complain about anything. If the matches were all 30 seconds long you'd complain about that too.

>>16142029
It's one Irish cripple who argues in circles in a desperate bid to get someone to interact with him.

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>>16143705
1/4 - condensed
>Hikaru Shida
Despite being a proven draw for the company, she is always treated as an afterthought and has never had any proper feuds to work with. Her two reigns last year were nothing more than match after match with no substance. The focus was always on Baker or Storm. The only time I think Shida got an honest-to-God program was against Deebs. Big Swole has had more actual programs and stories than Shida, Riho, Sakura, or Suzuki - let that sink in.
>Mariah May
Outside of Shida's first reign, it's fair to say her others were lacking. But they seem almost competent compared to May. Tony Khan has nothing for her, and she is just languishing - hell, at least Shida was having matches. You might argue they're waiting for Mina Shirakawa, but that doesn't mean May can't have something to work with. At the moment, it's painfully obvious TK is waiting for Storm to return or to give the belt to Mone. To call Mariah May an afterthought would be generous.
>Jamie Hayter
Despite the fans begging for Hayter to be the one who won the belt, TK ignored them and put it on Toni Storm - displaying how completely tone-deaf he was/is. Now, they corrected this, but Hayter became Baker's understudy, and everything was focused on Baker. At this time, Hayter had no programs, just being part of the Bakerverse with Saraya and Storm. She finally returns, and they have fucking nothing for her, her aura gone. Perhaps they can correct it, but given TK's record, I doubt it.
>Lance Archer
The Kane of AEW. A big scary monster, who is there to job.
>Lil Nigga
Went from being one of AEW's brightest stars (scoring a million plus in main events) before being fed to CM Cunt, who diminished his drawing and star power. He's then booked to lose all the big matches, and the arrival of Adam Copeland overshadows his match against Christian and feel second rate compared to the WWE guys (WHO ARE THE REAL STARS).

People actually like aew. Most posts here are ironic humor.

>>16144016
Fair enough, I disagree on some of this but not all. I think AEW has always been like this, it really is similar in spirit to the Smash Bros games where everyone is featured, there is roster bloat, and everyone's aesthetic clashes with everyone else, nobody gets a real shine, and everyone seems diminished from their "true" home which is elsewhere.

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2/4
>Lucha Bros
I honestly think things turned sour between AEW and the Lucha Bros, when they realised that TK didn't see them beyond a tag team. Look at Penta, fantastic talent, wildly over with the fans, usually always able to put on great matches and get the audience into his matches—so, of course, TK has nothing for him to work with. But the killer was Fenix. Guy wins the international championship belt from Moxley who legit got hurt. Now, rather than running with this and building a story around Fenix, perhaps giving OC some deeper character work, or having Penta display some jealousy towards his brother holding a singles title before him, TK just resets everything - putting the belt back on OC. This was when I realised that TK cannot adapt or think independently. He's too rigid and if anything strays from the plan, he falls apart.
>Killswitch (Formerly Luchasaurs)
Now, this isn't entirely on TK, as this guy has been injured, but there is certainly more you could do with him. He's limited - so was Goldberg. The nice thing about wrestling is that you have a lot of control and are able to work within people's limitations and weaknesses. Killswitch has a great look and certainly stands out from the rest of the roster. Perhaps this is just the old Kane fan in me, but I've always had a soft spot for this kind of gimmick.
>Brain Cage
Great look, able to move in a way a guy his size shouldn't. He is given absolute shit to work with and is constantly moving between things or jobbing in ways he shouldn't.
>Wardlow
See above. His TNT run was one of the worst fucking things I'd ever seen and proved TK is a fucking moron.
>Peter Avalon
No, I'm not joking. Avalon is a funny guy, and the Wing-men were a very entertaining mid/lower-mid card faction who could have brought some nice variety to the show. Is he going to win the big one? Absolutely not, but there are plenty of entertaining stories and feuds you could tell with him.

>>16144135
>Avalon
TK doesn't value the same sort of entertainment slop like Vince did. At least Vince would've given Avalon a gimmick where he shits his pants every episode or something.

>>16144020
the absolute most delusional post in this thread

>>16144176
He's right though. I like AEW.

>>16144016
to be fair to lil nigga, i'm fairly sure he's being set up to beat moxley for the belt down the line, but it's too little, too late

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3/4
>Takeshita/Don Callis Family.
How. How do you look at this kid and not strap a rocket to him? Takeshita is an unbelievable talent, someone who should have been in the TNT discussion when he fucking arrived and should be contending for the World Championship Belt. But he and the DCF became a job squad. Don Callis and his family are a case of inconsistent booking and presentation. Seems like that is being slightly corrected now, but I have zero faith in TK.
>Orange Cassidy
No growth. Just the same dude he's always been. Stale, stagnant, stuck-in-a-rut, whatever you want to say. It's telling he grew more as a character in the first year of AEW when TK had limited control. I loved his rivalry with Pac. "He's going to try!" great stuff, and that match was fucking awesome. At this point in his career, it really feels like he should be exploring more character work, but he isn't. I was hoping we might have a heel turn when Fenix had the international belt - maybe losing the belt actually didn't unlock a darker aspect for him personally, resulting in a feud with his former best friends. Alas, it was never to be.
>Statlander
Big, powerful Amazonian woman. Her TBS reign was a fucking joke and now they switched her to being face - just cos. I mean, why would you have her win her feud with the eternal babyface Willow... only to turn her face? There was no build, no story, and no logical progression. What a fucking waste. B-but she's a terrible promo! So is Mone, yet she is given chance after chance.
>Kyle Fletcher
Seems like they're finally going to go something with him, but I have my doubts, and that is entirely due to TK's track record of being a fucking awful booker. I fully expect Fletcher and Takeshita to be fed to Lashley or Keith Lee or whatever major WWE signing TK gets next because that is always the fucking pattern with him. Or he'll feed him to Wheeler Yuta.

>hire better writers to book better stories!
Exactly what stories would you book utilizing AEW's current roster that would legitimately draw audiences?

>>16141615
Aewtists already spiraling after the first post.
LMAOOOOOOO

the aew roster on paper is soo good
its so bad the dogshit booking they all get , that roster deserves better

>>16144242
NOOOO DAVE SAID THEY HAVE THE BEST BOOKER DRONE!

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4/4
>Samoa Joe
Yes, he's not as young as he used to be, but fucking hell, he can still talk and still do some great character work. I understand he's not around now, but you had nothing for him after he dropped the belt? Really?
>Moxley
I remember when Moxley was a vicious son-of-a-bitch. His first run in AEW was fucking inspired. Shades of 96 Steve Austin a cold-blooded, ruthless heel who got the fucking job done, no matter what. It seems they're returning to that, but I have no faith in TK.
>Jericho
Christ, this dude's first run in AEW was fucking brilliant - how the fuck was he able to get "But I bought a ticket!" over. Le Champion. Jerigoat. It was good shit. Now he's just kind of there. I really think he needs some time away. I'm not putting Moxley and Jericho entirely on TK, but they are a crutch he's leant on for too long, and I think they need some time away - absence makes the heart grow fonder.
>The Butcher and The Blade and the Bunny
They're just a solid, intimidating-looking tag team with a psychotic bimbo. I love these dudes. Wouldn't mind them being a sort of A.P.A. unit.
>The Acclaimed
Somehow, they're still over. Let them cook and actually give them worthwhile feuds. Let Max Caster be offensive, and let the duo be like DX and the New Aged Outlaws. At the moment, they're so watered down that they feel more like an NXT act. Let them be crude and rude, and if people get upset, GOOD! Give them some personality and edge. They'll feel genuine.
>Pac
I want the bastard back and for him to have proper feuds again.

>>16143967
Solo is based

The roster is trash
gay midgets doing cartwheels is not a draw

>>16144039
Who do you disagree on? I'm not looking for a flame war; I'm genuinely curious.
>>16144157
Ironically, he would get it over, and Vince would absolutely love him. One of the strengths of OG AEW was that it was a nice variety show with a little something for everybody. Sometimes, I don't want high-work-rate matches, bloody hardcore matches, or spot fests. Sometimes, a little comedy match is just what I need.
>>16144216
Many such cases. Wardlow was the worst. Somehow, his breakup with MJF felt too fast and too slow.

>Christ, this dude's first run in AEW was fucking brilliant - how the fuck was he able to get "But I bought a ticket!" over. Le Champion. Jerigoat. It was good shit.
Man, AEW used to be so good at the start and had such good promise. It’s insane how Tony Khan’s ego took hold of him and forced himself to be the booker on top of being the owner. It even literally upsets Tony when people say they enjoyed early AEW more because that would mean they’re saying to him that they liked AEW more when he was the least involved, hurting his fragile ego. I legit use to defend him too until he just went crazy with the “I’M THE BOOKER GUYS!! ME!!!” shit. It’s also insane how rabid some of the fans have gotten with defending these shitty decisions and reaffirming that nothing is wrong. Nothing is going to change and it’s just depressing.

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>>16144369
I hear you, bro. It had its problems, but at least it was interesting. I have more talents I'd like to see better used, but I don't want to get too fucking autistic in this thread.

I just want to say I fucking despise the young bucks and their irony laced gimmicks

AEW was always bad and because of that the fan's enthusiasm (who desperately wanted it to be a success) wore off after a while.
Cody did some good stuff early on and Punk/Bryan coming in reenergized the company temporarily but ultimately they were doomed to fail because the stuff terminally online wrestling fans say they like just isn't very good

>>16144364
I think you're expecting too much from talent like Shida who can't really speak English all that well to carry programs in a business where you need to do TV segments to connect with fans. Couple that with her being back and forth from Japan, and TK's disinterest in the women's division to begin with and her lackluster AEW run makes sense. I felt the same as you when Riho was champion, it was just nothing pretty much, or close to it. I think May, Hayter and Lil Nigga have all been decently pushed. I think OC had one of the best belt runs in the company with the international belt. Not looking for a flame war either, I think your points border between nitpicking and legit gripes.

>>16144406
Not trying to insult you, but this post genuinely reads like it's from someone who never watched a single second of AEW and only heard about random stuff they did on the grapevine from others while they were watching WWE.

>>16144369
He did actually start the company though. It wouldn't exist without him and all the Elite would've just gone to WWE.

>>16144505
He did start it but he wasn’t booking it at the start

>>16144534
For the most part he was, just not 100% until a few months into Dynamite. When he pitched the company to Jericho he made it known he was going to be booker, it was always the plan.

They should stop with stadiums for awhile and go to smaller venues. Not only would it look better, it would have a better atmosphere than cavernous 90% empty arenas do right now.

They need to go back to playing the scrappy underdog and a move like that would help them a great deal in that regard.

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>>16144493
I don't think so. Shida was a proven draw who took the dead AEW women's division and made it respectable. She still holds the highest-watched women's match in the company's history, and her bout with Hayter was the highest-rated women's match—being the only one in the top 20 for the longest time. If TK and company actually got behind her, I reckon the division would be in a better place. I don't the English thing either. Mone cannot cut a decent promo to save her life, and yet she is given opportunity after opportunity even though she has actively chased off viewers and has been a massive flop. Shida can connect with the fans, which is very rare. I don't put too much blame on Riho, as I think Covid screwed her over, but her refusal to commit to AEW didn't help. Again, the nice thing about wrestling is that you can play to people's strengths and cover for their weaknesses - but TK refuses to do so for the likes of Shida, the Lucha Bros, and Luchasaurus. As for OC, I agree he had a great run, but once Moxley got hurt, it was just reset, and he's had no development, and he just seems stuck in a rut. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you about Hayter and May, though. May's reign is a joke - so much so that the press had no questions for her. As for Hayter, she was second fiddle to Baker.

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>>16144574
it's funny to think about Jamie Hayter when she was in Stardom, genuinely looks like a completely different person. her physical transformation into the big leagues was nuts

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>>16144600
It really was, but she looked like a fucking star, and the crowd were 100% behind her. She oozed physical charisma.

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>>16144609
This is how I still think of her

>>16144502
Look bro you can enjoy the young bucks vs the lucha brothers all you like but that shit is repulsive to anyone who hasn't been told by a cult leader that it's actually the greatest thing ever.
Same with kenny omega running around with barbed wire wrapped brooms or jericho saying as many dumb catchphrases as he can to try find something that will sell on a tshirt

>>16144640
There is an immense amount of projection in this post. The reason you find it "repulsive" is because your fat cuckold cult leader indoctrinated you.

>>16144659
If the young bucks are so great then explain why you like them.
Hard mode: No mentioning Meltzer's star ratings or terms Meltzer invented like "workrate"

>>16144686
I don't have to justify my tastes to some small brained faggot on the internet

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>>16144686
>you aren't allowed to like good matches because Meltzer invented the concept of good matches, you can only like shitty matches bro

>>16144698
You can't that's why. You're like those little faggot teenagers who look up the top rated movies online, force yourself to watch them and then tell everyone "yeah these my favourites I just have good taste haha"
Just an empty vessel for Meltzer to take a fat shit inside

>>16144714
>having good taste is bad

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>>16144686
nta but I like how fast and fluid they are in the ring. They're spot monkeys, but sometimes that's exactly what I want, and they are some of the best at it. Some of the stuff they do is crazy athletic. They can do psychology, and I wish they'd practice it more, but they're very much adrenaline junkies, and their matches play to that. They also play the smarmy heels well, but they can also be effective underdog babyfaces, so they have some range to them as well. Are they my favourite team? No. But I do enjoy them. They put over a ton of team when AEW was starting up, so that's to their credit.

>>16144740
You didn't mention the comedy stuff they do in every match at all so I don't think you've actually seen one of their matches

>>16144749
>comedy stuff
I can't think of any comedy stuff the Bucks do in every match

>>16144749
>Give a reason
>Gives a reason
>NOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!!
I accept your concession.

>>16144766
I admit it's been a while, but were there any comedy spots in their first match with Private Party, or FTR at Full Gear, or the Lucha Bros at All Out?

>>16144769
hulk hogan is my favourite wrestler because I think the moonsault he does is sick and how he never taunts in the ring, he's always so serious. If you reply to this post then I win

>>16141941
Only sane poster ITT

>>16144796
>cope
Your tears are delicious.

>>16141598

its just not for me. i wont call it shit because its not constructive, but its just made for a different kind of person.
i dont like the matches. the kayfabe breaking spots that take minutes to set up and needs the opponent to help them pull it off, the no selling, the botches, rarely any ring psychology or storytelling
i dont like the lack of compelling storylines
i dont like how matches have no build.
i dont like how many charisma vacuums get tv time
i dont like how half the wrestlers have no gimmick or the same gimmick as another wrestler
i dont like the dingy atmosphere
and i especially dont like the fact that half the roster is 5'5

now of course id like them to fix this but it would just mean their core audience would come back to ruining wwe and i like them away from it.

>>16141598
Every guy outside of about 20 have no mic skills
and then of that 20 everyone but about 5 just cuts generic shoot meta ironic promos with in-jokes
its for smarks by smarks.

i do like MJF and while jericho is a shit wrestler nowadays hes still a good promo

They need to bring in more classic tna guys. I know cable is different now but impact was getting like 6 million viewers. By todays standards Eric Young is a huge star.

>>16141598
desu half of it is the fans. people see all the gross mutants in the crowd and think 'if these guys like it, it must be shit'. i think they should ban everyone who looks like a weirdo from the events. sure the online fanbase would still turn people off the product because nobody wants to associate with them but atleast the audience would look more normal on tv

>>16141598

I feel like i could fix it still
step 1. hire russo and some mexican soap writers to create dimes storylines (but no run ins/x on a pole matches allowed as thats what made people mad at him in previous feds)
step 2. fire everyone under 5'10
step 3. everyone over 40 is removed from in ring duty.
step 4. send everyone left to acting classes

>>16142139
I don't care if AEW makes money or not. Same for WWE btw. I'm a pro wrestling fan, not a profits fan. My point was that AEW does not format Dynamite anything like Nitro. I loved the Nitro format more than Raw. And AEW does not book their events like WCW either, at least not during their successful years. AEW booking really reminds me of WCW 2000. And that's not a good thing. That's the period I would rather forget. But in terms of wrestling, as in how a match is worked, AEW is an indie promotion. It's not like WCW at all. It's false advertising. And for the record, I want AEW to succeed. I want wrestlers to develop and be successful. But I want to be entertained. AEW has bad booking and there is no consistency to their matches. Tony needs to hire bookers, and he needs agents to structure matches (and with the power to overrule the wrestlers). There is too much fake-looking indie garbage on AEW. It's like watching a train wreck, albeit there are a few outstanding workers that are worthwhile, but it's like 90% gay gymnastics. WWE has a different problem where the booking is extremely safe and predictable such that it's mostly boring, but there is more consistency and structure, and even a boring story told well can be a decent watch.

I'm not happy about pro wrestling in general right now, but I'm more critical of AEW because Tony has the means and the singular control to fix this. He could make AEW a true alternative and a shining beacon of pro wrestling the way it should be. If he loves WCW so much, then why can't he do it? My only conclusion is that it is a combination of his ego not letting him accept that he is in over his head with booking, and that he is starstruck by wrestlers and getting worked by them, such that he lets the inmates run the asylum rather than hiring good agents to structure matches and keep these workers in line.

>>16144016
>eel second rate compared to the WWE guys (WHO ARE THE REAL STARS).

this is the exact same thing that killed tna

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>>16144992
And WCW. You can see the stark decline in AEW when Phil and all the WWEjects flood into the company. The biggest irony is that AEW did their best numbers when the episodes focused on the OG talents - these were the episodes that cracked a million plus.

I hate Daniel Garcia and won't watch AEW as long as he is there. I could say some constructive things like how he is skinny and doesn't look like a wrestler at all. Or how he doesn't have any gimmick. Or no charisma. You get it.

But instead, I'll just say that he disgusts me. He disgusts me the same way Marko Stunt and Big Swole and Nightmare Collective and Sonny Kiss and Lee Moriarty, Wheeler Yuta, and Joey Janela disgusted me when they were on Dynamite. I was close to stop watching AEW back then as well, but it being fresh and booked better than now saved it. Also, they disappeared in the end (most of them)

>>16145036
go through why each of those guys disgust you. im not disagreeing i just think it will be funny to read

>>16144902
Part of me enjoys it for the people watching aspect, but it blows my mind that the camera always focuses on the weirdest looking fuckers who are mid-stimming.They need to bring back the baddies section and show some big tiddy bitches

>>16142090
God wrestling sucks

>>16141845
Yeah I think this is main problem. Shit is booked day of or day before and has no real flow

>>16144740
>adrenaline junkies

In their souls?

>>16143172
>Prime Vince was willing to give other people room to book,

lol

>Jarrett

LMAO

>>16144135
Fenix was injured.

You have severe ADDrone brain btw expecting guys in their mid-20s to get hotshotted into mains.

AEW is like masterbating with a cheese grater. Slightly amusing. But mostly painful.

>>16147244
>masterbating
DO THE NEEDFUL SERS

this aew is dead
this is the aew i loved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjv6S52vmBM
gayew is just souless now

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>>16141598
Constructive Criticsm for AEW is a pointless endeavour. The ones in charge are going to arbitrarily find new definitions of success so they can convince themselves they are an actual business and not a vanity project

>>16147362
The irony of pigs who spent the past few years claiming that AEW isn't getting renewed because it's cancelled saying this is JUST 2 sweet.

>>16141598
the arrogance of the whole thing.
>what, you dont enjoy the sloppy botch/spot fests? thats a you thing, these are fine art, youre just a pleb
>what, you dont know who this literal who guy we just signed is? thats on you, educate yourself, go watch some 144p footage of a mall carpark from 2004 and come back
>what, we're hemorrhaging viewership? thats not on us, we are perfect, there just isnt enough people who see tonys (PBUH) genius

>>16148006
Saying this on the same night MCMG got hotshotted into a WWE title run is rich.

>how DARE this promotion exist! It's so ARROGANT!

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>>16146979
>Expecting guys in their mid-20s
You mean like Wheeler Yuta and Daniel Garcia? Yeah, imagine... Also, Fenix was injured (though I believe it was due to visa issues). Regardless, you could have done many things to keep him in the conversation. The worst thing you could do is place it back on OC and reset everything.

>>16141598
I'm one of the biggest AEW fans here every PPV hits but Wednesday didn't do much for me. I guess it's a case of being blackpilled over another takeover angle when the Elite just did the same thing. There's seemingly a hard reboot every other month and it's hard to follow if I don't watch Collision and Rampage which I don't. Still. AEW PPV's are the best in the game despite everything else.

>>16148362
In tumultuous times sometimes going back to what you know is easiest. When the fuck did Yuta or Garcia have a serious main event run? They've just wrestled some top guys and gotten a TV world title show in one case.

>>16141598
>best roster in the world
>no iyo
You must be joking.

holy fuck this one got him mad. he's wasted almost 24 hours of his life seething here

>>16148391
Please get help.

>>16148391
Looks like you were right bro

>>16148374
They main-evented several different episodes of Dynamite - one of which was for the ROH Pure title. They were also in several high-profile factions and angels. Now, if you had the choice between Wheeler/Garcia over Fletcher and Takeshita, would you honestly pick Wheeler and Garcia?

>>16148391
>he replied to you in a minute
He truly has no life.

>please give constructive criticism
>gives constructive criticism
>nah ur wrong
??????

>>16144493
>I think you're expecting too much from talent like Shida who can't really speak English all that well

Tell me you're not watching AEW without telling me you're not watching AEW.

Shida's one of the best promos in AEW.

>>16141598
They want to be the alternative, but then hire every fired WWE wrestler, writer, etc. and it has been bleeding into their products for years now.

If I wanted to WWE, I'd watch WWE.

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>>16141636
>A young billionaire
tony is in his 40s
>is using 'the best roster in the world'
lol

>>16148429
and then putting them over the guys who people tuned in to watch in the first place
i wouldnt mind a couple wwe stars if they are big names in their prime, like mox etc was a good signing but so many were just
nothing burgers like big show etc
washed up 50 year old boomers
guys who we intentionally avoided in nxt during the wars

why does he even want these guys

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>>16148458
>That moment you realise Tony Khan is Mr Burns from Homer at the Bat.

>>16148425
There is no contradiction there.

>>16141598
Cut down the roster to about 40 male wrestlers and 20-25 female ones. Hire new writers, axe rampage, use RoH as developmental and don't use their belts on AEW TV, soft roster split between Collision and Dynamite, axe either the tag team or the trios belt, spread out PPVs a little more, stop booking stuff at the last minute (I understand wrestlers get injured and you have to change things up now and again, but Tony's booking is ridiculous at times), stop letting stories fizzle out and go nowhere - actually commit to the bit, don't let shitters like Guevara insist on how they're written / booked - tell them to deal with it or fuck off, stop giving office jobs to talent who are clearly bad at it, retrain your referees, hire actually talented graphic designers for the merch department.

>>16148458
Copeland was one of the funniest hires in hindsight. He's not even offenseively bad or anything, just totally bland without WWE soap opera shenanigans.

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>>16148562
But Anon, it's fun. I'm having fun. I'M HAVING SO MUCH FUCKING FUN!!!

>>16148526
kek

>>16141598
It's philosophical really. I think Tony is way too concerned with having the best wrestling show, instead of having the best wrestling TV show. I'd start by cutting the average match length in half. We'd be doing way more pre-tapes, and wrestlers would do way more talking. People, especially the TV audience would know the story behind every match.

>>16148737
> I think Tony is way too concerned with having the best wrestling show, instead of having the best wrestling TV show
Yeah that makes sense, AEW used to have an excellent rep for PPVs as opposed to the TV stuff, but I feel like that's changing. I feel like last year, the PPVs were great up until Wrestledream, then immediately declined dramatically in quality, with Full Gear being an inconsistent mess where great matches were overshadowed by the worst MJF fued of his entire career, and then World's End being totally shit. This year started off great with Revolution, with every other PPV being decent - great up until All Out, and Wrestledream already being mediocre. I really think Tony is just spreading the product too thin at this point in general - it was already an issue with the TV stuff, and I'm worried it will continue to bleed into the PPVs.
>I'd start by cutting the average match length in half
Agreed.
>We'd be doing way more pre-tapes
Kind of get the logic here, there's a lot of botches.
>wrestlers would do way more talking
Eh..... A lot of them can't cut a promo to save their lives
>People, especially the TV audience would know the story behind every match.
The thing is, when the storylines are consistent, they're very easy to follow. The issue is storylines often fizzle out instead of reaching a conclusion, and sometimes they're left to hang in the air for months so when a fued or storyline does come back it can be very confusing / disruptive. They just need writers than can come up with more cohesive stuff and adapt on the fly better if someone gets injured or whatever.

>>16148786
>Eh..... A lot of them can't cut a promo to save their lives
They would learn fast or be off the roster or at least on the B show.

>>16148847
Gonna be an issue for Takeshita unless you want a lot more Don Callis. Also gonna be a major issue for the members of the women's roster that aren't Willow Nightengale, Sayara's slags or Toni's Theatre Troupe. Would feel bad for the joshis, but if it means freeing us of Britt and Mone.... I guess it's worth it.

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>>16148873
I honestly like Shida's promos when she's allowed to cut them. They feel very genuine and are distinctly hers.

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>saying they need a better booker isn’t constructive

>>16148933
save us GOAT

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>>16141598
>Best roster
Well my first constructive criticism is that they get fans that aren't fucking delusional or lying all the time. No fucking way does a serious person call a roster with this much fat and this many proven antidimes shitters get to be called best at anything but wasting money for nothing. Attendance and ratings prove nobody wants to come to the circus to see a half-dead lion, and sad sucking clowns. Trim the DEI mulattos, fire the fat shitters, retire the elderly, cut half of the dancing man let's and midgets doing ballet in ring and you might have a show

>>16144406
>and Punk/Bryan coming in reenergized the company
Maybe at first, they created a buzz and made people excited about it. Bryan had some great matches in his early AEW run but it didn't took long until it was obvious that he was just there to wrestle, we never saw any intention from him of doing interesting gimmicks or having great feuds, he mostly wanted to wrestle.
Punk run was very hit or miss. He had some great feuds and matches, but he took a while to start doing anything interesting, reminder that he spent some time doing random repetitive interviews and promos before he started doing anything good, then when he was having great feuds, he spent half of his time injured

>>16144016
>>16144135
>>16144217
>>16144278
>Shida
Agreed. Literally the only time I gave a shit about the division.
>Mariah May
Agreed. Feels like she's just treading water until her program with Mina before he drops the belt back to Storm or Mone or Baker.
>Jamie Hayter
50/50. I don't think the issue was entire due to Baker, it was Hayter's run being in the middle of all the WWE shitters coming into the company and then Hayter getting injured. You're right in saying how tone-deaf Tony Khan was, also see the Acclaimed vs Swerve in our Glory.
>Lance Archer
100% He really is just Kane.
>Lil Nigga
Meh, I love this dude, but I would argue him being paired as Sting's little buddy did him no favours. If he turned on Sting and was the guy to end Sting's career that might have been something, but, like you observed with OC, he's just stale.
>Lucha Bros
I think it was a factor of things with these guys. Considering how paranoid TK has become, running their mouths wasn't the smartest.
>Killswitch
Disagree. Not much you can do with this do with this dude and he seems to be constantly injured.
>Brain Cage
I'm noticing you like the big dudes. Cage is good, but I'm sure what else you can really do with him. He's decent in a group, not the greatest as a solo act.
>Wardlow
Dude's been given a bunch of chances and fumbles.
>Peter Avalon
Not crying over this. Not a fan, but I admit he isn't for me.
>Takeshita/Fletcher/DCF
100% with you on this.
>OC
I see what you're saying on this, but I think that is due to factors outside of TK's control.
>Statlander
Agreed.
>Samoa Joe
Sort of agree.
>Moxley
Go away heat with me, brother.
>Jericho
Same.
>The Butcher and The Blade and the Bunny.
Are you trolling? Bunny isn't even there anymore.
>The Acclaimed
I get what you're saying, but I think there is a hard limit on them due to broader world.
>Pac
Agreed.

>>16141598
They need to make their wrestlers more interesting. Wether if it's their gimmick, presentation, outfit or whatever, they need to start doing more. There are so many guys who are just... wrestlers.
I don't think they need to got Vince mode and start doing retarded gimmicks for every midcarder, but they certainly need to do more.
Take Moxley for example, he had a great run in early AEW, was part of the success the company had at the time, people loved him and he has been so stale for quite some time. Even if he has done heel stuff, he feels like the same shit and that's boring. There needs to be someone pushing for new ideas

>>16141598
Overhaul the marketing department. Stop being cheap by giving Drainmaker & friends a couple bucks a month to be your shills on Twitter and instead go hire some professionals, since what you're selling isn't being bought

>>16149029
>I don't think they need to got Vince mode and start doing retarded gimmicks for every midcarder, but they certainly need to do more.
To be fair to them I think they're starting to realize this a bit. Of the newest hires, the most over seem to be The Outrunners, Mortos and maybe Hologram - all guys with fun gimmicks. Meanwhile you had GYV doing same old same old tweener shit and they've already been lost in the mix. Every fed has to have a midcard, and it's just logical that the fans will prefer fun cartoonish gimmicks (free from meta-irony Young Bucks shit).

>>16144217
Wait, you seriously saying on this convo with the other anon that you were invested in Orange Cassidy?! You seriously rooting for a guy whose gimmick is that he wrestles with half limbs and still wins over guys -The same fucking other guys that are supposed to be a threat to others and each other! You don't see how that damaged the shows image? You might as well put a rocket on Pizza-Luigi or Dax's gayfaggot son or his gay dog and give them a title belt. it's the same fucking damage to the presentation that that dipshit did with or without Tony's push, he neutered half the roster with his indie garbage gimmick for few t-shirt sales.

>>16149133
promo's good

>>16142090
Wtf is wrong with this gook? Is he drunk?

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>>16149133
When he first came in? Yeah, he was a fun, different act that was used well, amusing easter eggs, and the audience played into it - the pop whenever he rose up. It was not for everyone, but it was undoubtedly something you'd only see on AEW. Now, to their credit, they then started to grow him - "He's going to try" in his feud with Pac, and by degrees, he began to get more active while still retaining the essence of what made him who he was. The issue is that he is now stale. You can charge his journey from 2019 to 2021, and there is growth. However, now, he's going nowhere, and all his momentum is gone. I was hoping that after he lost the belt to Moxley, they might explore a new wrinkle in his character to move him to the next level. Alas, twas never meant to be.
>>16149005
I responded to a question regarding the acts I valued and how I felt the booking around them was disappointing. These were my personal choices. Yeah, I like Butcher and Blade, as I think they bring something different to the tag division, and I'm aware that Bun-bun is gone. Some of the other acts I like seemed to have had some good booking. Swerve and Hangman (who had been killed thanks to TK dropping a nearly three-year-long storyline for Phil) seem to be doing well. The reason I'm not watching, however, is that I have no faith in Tony Khan.

>>16143980
>If the matches were all 30 seconds long you'd complain about that too.
But why is there no in-between, why are the only options 30-second squash which AEW does with their monster of the month (Hobbs, Archer, Wardlow) or a 20-minute 50/50 match. Every week having multiple underdog battle to a competitive loss doesn't really help them and it just makes the favorite look weak and not like a star because he's struggling with somebody with a 5% winning percentage .

I'm a fan of aew still. It is in a weird spot. But the problem is evident.

There is no mid card.

That's it. We see Private Party beat two jobbers twice then they get a title shot. They needed to win a feud against someone else trying to fight the bucks like top flight.

This happens everywhere. Shelton is going to fight Swerve, so Shelton fights Lio Rush and Sammy... because. We know Shelton is fighting Swerve. We know he isn't losing.

AEW used to be fairly unpredictable. Okada currently has a midcard belt. A mid carder is not beating Okada. So the same issue will follow when he loses to Hangman or whoever.

>>16141636
AEW only exists to kill interest in non-WWE wrestling. Triple H was handpicked to kill interest in WWE. They have the same handlers.

>>16141598
>there must be something that could make you watch
Consistent booking week to week.

>>16151000
Yeah pretty much this I like watching matches but for a TV show there really needs to be competent storylines not 2 interesting ones and 10 uninteresting ones involving multiple stables and tag teams

>>16148429
All WWE consists of is poached wrestlers from the indies. They strategically poached top talent from rivals to take their top guys. Most champions in WWE were from somewhere else. What a dumb out if touch bitchtits

>>16148418
Why do I have to choose?

>angels

lol

>>16149226
>Alas, twas
gb2r

>>16150257
therapy now