>all it took was one single tweet and smarks have completely turned on the feds new indie systemkek based c4
>>16170396>gatekeeping indy wrestlingnext level copeseethe and dilate
Is that the point is to make some money
I'm pretty sure this guy was a BIG FAN of Booker Ts promotion that had NXT guys on it frequently and assumed it was purely Independent
>>16170404no it's to have bangers and pay your dues fed shill
>>16170396You're delusional if you think WWE is actually investing any time into these schools. It's literally just a "we get first dibs" system.
EVIL COMPANY
>>16170420>they're getting mad at a scenario they made up in their headsWhy are they like this?
>>16170420let me guess, 2 likes for each post
>>16170396e-drone bootlickers sperging out in this thread. As usual.
>>16170417Of course. All the top wrestling students will get a mark WWE contract, to prevent them from joining AEW. AEW will never have a chance to scout, recruit or sign the good prospects before they reach NXT. AEW will be totally locked out.
>>16170417>You're delusional if you think WWE is actually investing any time into these schoolsThey are literally schools already ran by WWE wrestlers, genius
This fucker has no clue what he's talking about.Me and my best friend tried to make it as pro wrestlers back in the day. It was a miracle to get noticed by a major fed (like WWE) or even a larger indie (like RoH).Ask any failed wrestler from my era and we'd have done anything to have a program like this new one.Who ever behind C4 is, HAS to be a just due hard anti WWE guy because I can yell you from personal experience from two failed wrestlers (myself and my friend) that this program would have been very helpful for a lot of us thar never got noticed. I'm not delusional enough to remember think I was great or even good but I don't actually know because I never got to hear from a scout or recruiter. So much of wrestling is about knowing people.
>>16170456If you didn't get noticed you fucking stink. Those companies have people that watch absolutely everything they can find.
>>16170456This. Regal and the other scouts are going to show up and give prospects and students advice, and a chance to showcase themselves. The best will receive a WWE developmental deal.
>>16170470You don't know what you're talking about. Sit down and shut the fuck up.
>>16170456post a picture so we can all laugh at your gynecomastia
>>16170475Dumb ass that shit already happens. That was shoot Regals main job during his whole NXT tenure.
>>16170456WWE and AEW sign literally everybody now, times changed.
>>16170483Go back
>>16170481Nah you just sucked at wrestling. No talent and you're a mark to boot.
>>16170486Regal said he was spending too much time at the PC and wanted to go back to scouting. He's one of the main drivers behind WWE ID.
>>16170430>it’s all in their headsJust like their belief that one day they’ll all be beautiful women
>>16170470And you know this from experience? Or you're talking out of your fat faggot ass? I think we know which one
>>16170492so you don't deny it tittyboy
>>16170491WWE mostly brings in college athletes and AEW no longer signs anyone that wasn't already pushed somewhere else
(you) should explain how hard you tried to get into WWE.Where you trained, where you worked, etc...
i don't foresee the wwe taking interest in a middling indy group out in ottawa
where is the lie?
>>16170509This isnt quite true. Anyone on the american indies worth a damn is already getting a contract before they hit their mid 20s. AEW did with MJF and Garcia and the like, and WWE got Evans and Roxanne and others almost late teens early 20s.The Bryan Danielson types no longer exists
there is a reason Vaquer is a million times better than their own trained wrestlers
>>16170396kek didnt even think about thatHow are these people even supposed to be indie wrestlers? Its literally just that meme of big companies seeing a niche and saying>s-see? we have indie wrestlers t-too!
>>16170499So he's just formalizing his old job and making it more streamlined. Big whoop. >>16170501Post your demo reel, let's see what you got kid
>>16170524That reason being Vaquer's 15 years of experience? Or do you have another reason you'd like to share? Fuckin retard
>>16170456Most success stories in the indies are usually stories that start off with “this wrestler got introduced to this important person because their friend was well connected in the indies” which helped them take off. It doesn’t matter whether they were good or sucked. They just made the right friends. Look at how many shitty wrestlers anons talk about on here wondering how they get so many appearances and then you find out they’re around so much because their friend is someone like effy, Kenny, etc
>>16170447Tony wants ex-wwe stars, he wouldn’t give a fuck
>>16170549Every success story on the indies is having talent and proving it
>>16170420I know this is something that's been parroted for years, but until someone actually shows me a contract that explicitly states "I don't job unless it's under X conditions" I'm always going to take it as carny bullshit to not do a job.
People on the indies with no contracts still try to big league each other. Its nothing new.Everyone wants to look badass and cool
no one cares about being independent they want to be professional wrestlers
>>16170456C4 is an indie fed you fucking retard
>>16170456smartest edrone
>>16170515That those so called getting good people were the same shitters that infest AEW now and can't draw a dime.
>>16170542experience OUTSIDE WWE, the whole point of this thread
>>16170579I promote local shows. I got that story from an indy talent whose name you'd recognize. I put him in the ring with my shooter and he got hurt and learned his lesson. Now he's a good boy.
>>16170649its experience in general. Because the NXT girls with 2 years on them, like Kelani/Jaida/Lola, are all way better than the indie girls that started around then
>>16170649So 15 years of experience outside of WWE beats 3 years being trained by WWE. Fascinating stuff, anything else you want to share? Fucking idiot
>>16170651>my shooterWhat an embarrassing LARP this is and the question I have is why
>>16170672Do you have the balls to step in the ring with my shooter?
>>161706715 years in CMLL, half of them as jobber
>>16170694This is all fantasy so sure
>>16170396>"if you claim to be an independent but are bound to a billion dollar company, you're not an independent">their top champion is literally an AEW guy
>>16170430Ricky Morton recently said that a young wrestler said to him "I can't lose, it will ruin my reputation", so imagine now with all the WWEID talent, there will be a lot of Hogans on the indies.
>>16170703Seems like the mentality they are worried about already exists with people on the indies
>>16170703How many people do you really expect WWE to sign
>>16170517Shame about Garcia, he probably could have ended up good if he had more time on the indies
>>16170703I started noticing it as my business came back after Covid. A lot of indy talent have become prima donnas. That's why I keep my shooter around, to teach lessons the old school way.
C4s Champion is Evil Uno
>>16170718Nothing could have saved that talentless piece of shit. Jimmy Jacobs told Tony that Garcia was trash and Tony fired Jimmy.
>>16170703To be fair, Morton's working in feds where men are losing to women and trannies.
>>16170731The people who never made it are really taking this hard
>>16170731>this bitch thinks she knows how to chain wrestleoh ya i bet it's like benoit and angle when she's in the ring. lmao delusional roastie.
>>16170731kek based, fuck wwe and the "wwe style"
>>16170731kek gottem
I think a main point to keep in mind that if a young wrestler goes into this WWEID program it basically gives TKO all the leverage, if they move up the ranks and get offered a WWE deal proper most likely it'll be a lowball offer and then you're stuck because it's not like AEW is gonna be interested cause you're already 'branded' so then you're just basically SOL. This is a bad deal quite frankly.
>>16170447At this point Tony just signs NJPW gaijins after NJPW does the work of training them or former WWE guys. I doubt this will effect Tony much.
>>16170773who says you are stuck?
>>16170731This seems pretty wierd because if you want to be independent and do your own thing you can very much still do that. Why would it bother you what Booker T does with is promotion in Texas?
>>16170778if the ol adage of 'money and miles' is still in effect then what options does a wrestler have if the tko jews lowball you and aew isn't interested then
>>16170773Indies will be flooded with boring ass fed style wrestlers too
>>16170789How is this any different from usual though? A regular indie wrestler would be in the same situation
>>16170731This one got the drones in a tizzy!
>>16170746she's legitimately pretty good. she's just dimeless. she was in the mae young classic in 2018 but got banned from entering the US for 5 years after working on a travel visa (lmao) and that's why she never even made it to TNA even though at least one of her students is signed there
>>16170731lmao
>>16170402this. ive been saying this for 2 years now. indie shitters are fucking COOKED. they are just now starting to realize it. if they thought the 'wwe monopoly" was bad wait until the Duopoly is locked in place. Tony R Khan literally blew the only chance to beat wwe and now indie shitters either need to get a clue and compete with the NIL meatless or they are getting washed away. the earth is healing
they're right but I bet they love "indie" pop
>>16170396>Nooooooo only Tony is allowed to do "partnerships" that pillage the indies
>>16170420Meanwhile Wendy Choo and Brinley Reese just ate pins at TNA's PPV. These fags are just inventing reasons to get upset
>>16171256You never watched an indie in your life
>>16171459>Brinley ReeseWho?
>>16171469an NXT girl
This sounds alot like the fearmongering about Noah and people who don't even pay attention to them thinking they had people WWE wanted to even take.Or the TNA stuff where Wes Lee took a pin at No Mercy from Wentz and the jobber women are constantly taking pins at TNA.
>>16171459a wrestler almost died in that TNA same event
>>16171476No, that was the TV recording the day after
>>16171256Tony and HHH are wrestling autists who will poach anyone with some buzz. The indies were unironically safer with just Vince around, because he would only crush them if they became competition. HHH and Tony will kill them and keep the corpses warm via "partnerships"
dont worry guys, RSP says that it's all good
There are so many fucking carnies who bait people into staying in their trash schools by claiming that they "know a guy at WWE", this is an actual good thing for young indie wrestlers
>>16171474I genuinely don’t understand what it’s going to change. The people who are going the Reality of Wrestling or Black & Brave probably should be learning proper WWE style. The rest aren’t affected
>>16171489He wants a school credential
>>16171500Just like NXT UK
>>16171524Let me look at the NXT UK champs>Rhea and Alba Fire are both former champions on the main roster>Toni Storm was champion in AEW>Gunther is currently champion on the main roster>Dragunov, Bate, and Dunne are all featured regularly on WWE TV when not injuredSeems like it was pretty good.
>>16171489Rsp can't even get booked tho
>>16170430Smarks spend their entire lives online, fighting battles against a completely fictitious version of WWE, that exists only in their own minds.
>>16171539All of them were great before stepping foot there. If anything it held them back from breaking out earlier.
>>16171489The indies need it because Tony Khan came in and completely decimated the formerly thriving US scene.
>>16171545I'm sure the gracious and good hearted Ari Emanuel is doing this for completely altruistic reasons
>>16171555Tony invented COVID?
>>16171548
Booker T was using NXT guys on his shows anyway. Why would people care if there is official WWE term for it? Pretty sure anyone going to Booker or Seths schools were already thinking about WWE connections in the first place.
>>16171557Keep fighting the good fight, smark soldier
>>16171577nice selfie
>>16170456>us thar never got noticedIt's hard to get noticed when you're in India, sir.
>>16171586you too, cultist
>>16170773Very well said my friend
>>16170823It's crazy to me how people like her and Speedball get banned from the country for having a wrestling match but we somehow have 50 million illegal Mexicans going to work every day.
>>16171465Because it’s ass
>>16171465are you talking about workrate or something gay that doesn't matter? the message for indie shitters-- unless you are getting a clue or in the process of getting one-- the ceiling is tonys toybox. you have to make moves to be a star and stand out you are simply not going to make it. indie shitters don't have what it takes or elsewhere they would already look and be better than they are. say bye bye to vanilla 170 pounders>>16171487its this. indie shitters were much better off with Vince and, even more, before Tony
>>16170456>Who ever behind C4 iswhat is this 3rd world gibberish?
>>16171557>this was all Ari Emanuel's idea You people are so dense that light bends around you
>>16170396>You can't grow and learn from an actual organization with real means All these smarks make wrestling sound like some fucking religious journey people take instead of it being a mix of stuntman and actor. You learn both from organized places for the purpose of working on major productions. Not from just leaping around by yourself in a bingo hall. I'm waiting for the day where working the indies means going into the forest and constructing a ring yourself and then wrestling yourself for 7 years.
>>16171595I’m not a cultist. Your scripted comeback doesn’t work
>>16171659yeah this project wont work out at all
>>16171676It's Ari's company. Everything in it goes through him.
>>16171702kek hit the gym fatty. thats step 1
>>16171709>the group's top executive has to sign off on literally every single new initiative in a multi billion dollar business, despite WWE having its own CEO and executive team
>>16171767It's not hard
AEWtrannies seething status?
>>16170396Indies will be bound to only hire wrestlers with these WWE contracts. WWE contracted wrestlers will be the the only ones on the indies. What's next? You'll have to buy a wrestling license from WWE when starting your career to even be considered for a contract? You'll get a discount if you train at a WWE endorsed wrestling school?This preys on hopes and dreams, and if you don't think this is 100% devious, you're not actually a wrestler and just a fanboy mark.
>>16171676Tell me this isn't the most Jewish thing ever.
You know what's so fucking stupid about this?WWE ID is only going to be given to the wrestling schools of WWE talent and WWE legends.AEW isn't going to get WWE ID.TNA isn't going to get WWE ID.The dozens of independent promotions aren't going to get WWE ID.You will still be able to get to the WWE without going to one of their controlled schools, and at those schools it won't matter.People did fucking pick up on that obvious part right? The bit where the WWE lists who's getting ID and not a single one of the organisations is a wrestling promotion?They're all wrestling schools.
>>16171489RSP should stick to deathmatches in front of 15 friends
>>16171855>hopes and dreamsif your dream is not to make it to wwe then why are you doing it? go to aew then. or japan, this shouldn't impact you at all if you truly dont care about making it. >>16171896DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH what the fuck dude..of course thats how its going to go. they want their people (even before their signed) to check certain boxes. being 5'7 and 168 pounds ain't it. sorry its not fair
>>16171912He will. Not many places you can go after getting fired from MLW.
>>16171489Isn't RSP some GCW shitter?
>>16172809They kicked him out
>>16170549There might be GAY SEX involved too considering Kenny and the Young Bucks and how they act and who they bring with them
>>16172861stop posting your fantasies you weird fuck
>>16171459TNA is a fed ally fucking garbage traitor company.
>it's bad to not want to work for a hotdog and a handshake
>>16170396Are you C4 OP?
>>16170456you didn't make it cause you were shit saar
>>16171548>If anything it held them back from breaking out earlier.Breaking out where? In Chikara? In PWG? In AAA? In Nujapan? They're not going to take these unproven indy guys and put them on main roster TV without some sort of filter to separate the real talent from the indy geeks who are only skating by because they're over with the boys in an influential local scene.
>>16173358It's bad for the people who are offering the hotdog and the handshake.These promoters need their coke anon, you can't get high with no money supply.
>>16173415NXT, TNA, ROH. A company people actually watched preferably.
>>16173429NXT UK is NXT. Also you're in the same boat, you may be a star in England and Germany but those are shows in front of 100-300 drunk smarks so you need multiple levels you can progress through. Some people might max out at NXT UK and that's okay, like that mod guy with the vespa and the striped gear. Some people may max out at NXT and that's okay. Most people won't make it out of their local circuits and that's okay. Neither TNA nor ROH could be considered 'breaking out'.
All I see this doing is artificially inflating people's rates like the fags that thought working a single aew dark taping suddenly made their value double
>>16173501No it isn't. People actually watched NXT
>>16172801>>16172809how do you get forced out from both mlw and gcw lmfao
>>16173518Not WWE's fault that the creatures who watch TV in Europe aren't people
>>16173514>artificially inflating people's ratesIsn't that AEW's entire business model?
>>16173542Why are they doing so many shows there these days then?
>>16173572euros are so desperate for american culture that they will spend insane amounts of their country's currency to 'be part of something'
>>16173547sure isn't making a profit
>>16172828>They kicked him outWhy? GCW is losing ground while XPW is thriving.
>>16170396>c4
>>16173623>GCW is losing groundPushing RSP is a big reason for that
>>16170447I love this idea. This is definitely not something they could be sued for under an anti-trust investigation.
>>16173572Money's money
>>16170396this clown think the indie scene is all happiness and discovery and not suffering because promoters dont pay u shit for one event so you dont even have a place to sleep
>>16171489"W-what a great idea! Hey Paul! Notice me please! Book me please!"
>>16170396No one wants to be an indie geek. Every wrestler dreams of being in the WWE
>>16174443Not everyone is a mark like you lil bro
>>16174443Remember when WWE was the only game in town? How boring and lame wrestling became? Imagine that on a nationwide scale.
>>16174642the real marks are crippling themselves doing flips for 50 people and less than a living. some of them got lucky and conned a billionaire into giving them a contract and letting them do their stupid shit on tv, but most indie shitters will be sawdusted and broke by the time they quit wrestling.
>>16174739>if i say it that means it's true nah the real marks are the e drones
>wwe gives indie wrestlers free gym passes and starbucks gift cards>trannies on twitter: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EVIL FUCKING COMPANY
>>16174751>WWE is just helping people of out the kindness of their hearts and their Christian values
>>16174755He is so fucking ugly good GOD
>>16174760turn your monitor on
>>16174080NOTICE ME HHH SENPAI
>>16170719>there's an actual fed owner here Tell us some stories, old man.
>fed feels so threatened by this that they're trying to kill the indiesgrim
>>16174774Did he die? I hope he's dead.
>>16174789the webm autist is up spamming his 10 webms
>>16174755This is just like their NIL programme. And even if the NIL people choose to never wrestle for WWE they can still say "look at this gold medalist we supported when they were in college!"
>>16174796This is the first class. I think only one of them went with somewhere WWE (Though he's based)
if they have a "this finish doesn't work for me brother" clause this shit will be dead and it will help no one
>>16174813Why? Kayfabe is long dead and none of this trash is sold on DVD or streamed. Do these weekend warrior marks really care about doing jobs?
>>16174793He was paralyzed from the neck down, lived for about a year or two, then died.
>>16174823>none of this trash is sold on DVD or streamedyeah it is
>>16174830Source? Where can I buy All Mudshow Pro on Blu-Ray?
>>16174813I think the point of it is more so you don't have shit like the mass transit incident happen again. Someone will say they're trained by x person and have worked at y place and you'll actually be able to check up on it and confirm it.>>16174809Oba and Tank are both based
>>16174823If kayfabe is dead then none of them should give a shit about losing. It's literally made up results. Just a reminder that people like Rock and Austin had their fair share of losses too and were still massively over. It's all about creative and mic work. If some shitters can't realize that in 2020+4, they were never going to be able to make it to begin with. Hell, there's still stars on WWE who still can't fucking work the mic. So it's either you get in by knowing how to talk, or nepotism. Same as it ever was.
>>16174839same place as 2003. smartmarkvideo
>>16170396they're the dependants now. the deppies.
>>16175377Now we're gonna have the deppies vs indies. A whole new age of marks amd smarks are about to begin.
>>16175883Would be the funniest outcome, I hope it happens
>>16170396Well who cares about being independent, the point is to get paid for wrestling eventually
>>16170731Absolutely based
>>16175377
>>16174823They actually do. I've heard on podcasts veterans talking about working indie dates and seeing the young shitters argue about who's getting the win and how to protect the loser all the time. Bunch of marks that think their indie win loss ratio matters
>>16175981they all did the same shit when they were kids. boomer wrestling podcasts are grifters and hypocrites 9 times out of 10
>>16170731>37 years old>20 years experience>Never been signed to a major company in her lifeI'm sure the recruits are lined up around the block to learn from her
Hey Book, so uhhh we're going to have Brinley Reece come down and do bump drills and forward rolls.
>>16176008She's solid in ring. Too frumpy for TV though.
>>16176040Tony doesn't even want her for his website wrestling promotion. Embarrassing.
>>16176109only a handful of people actually have roh contracts, rest are part timers. she lives in canada.
>>16176116She's going to be autistically droning on and on about choppas and elbow exchanges while everyone in the WWE ID program laps her loser trainees
>>16176188she really hurt you huh?
>>16176197>AEW TBS Title: Jade Cargill (c) defeats Nicole Matthews (0:43)>0:43I feel like Tony hurt her far more than she hurt me
>>16170420Why would WWE give a fuck about someone who isn't even in their development brand eating a pin on Extreme Force Wrestling East Birmingham in front of 25 buck toothed brits.
>>16175959Nah, the point is to CHANGE THE WORLD.
>>16170404Hotdog and a handshake is enough reward for being paralyzed in bingo hall death match for the sickos
>>16173795>muh anti-trustThe Feds want the big fish. They're going after Google right now. WWE is comparatively tiny and irrelevant.
>>16176651They went after the NCAA. Which is in the same ballpark. That's why we have NIL now.
>>16174774>I'll protect you on the bump, bro.
>>16177132AEW proves there is no monopsony or monopoly. Try again.
>>16177955I agree, I just don't think they're too big as an entity.
>>16170404>Is that the point is to make some moneyThe point is to make money, but only if it's Tony Khan's money. If it's money from WWE, it's from an evil racist company ... or some bullshit like that.
