What is the cause of their insane fall off?
>>16226769Jade Cargill's departure
>>16226769hmmm I wonder what it could have been hmmm
>>16226769ROHlosing punkPushing Daniel Garcia/swerve/OCMore factionsROHROH
>>16226769Honeymoon phase is well over. Wrestling fans wanted something different than the cookie cutter sports entertainment slop and aew provided it in droves . Unfortunately their head boomer didn’t understand a lick of fundamental wrestling booking and decided to keep booking to the Daves, Bryan’s and bix of the world . Triple H took over wwe and everyone went back.
>>16226769Show sucks
>>16226769Tony
>>16226769WWE getting hot again made people realize AEW was never a good product, it was just less shitty than late-era Vince slop. Vince leaving WWE was the worst thing that could have happened to AEW.
>>16226769>Ted Turned called me after he created WCW and told me "Vince, I'm now in the wrestling business".>I've said "That's great Ted. But I'm in the entertainment business".Tony Khan never understood that and continues to not understand this. AEW will die because he has no idea what his business actually is.
Going Woke
>>16226769>>16226807You fags act like wwe is good lol. It’s boring as fuck, compared to AEW, which gotten generally boring this year
>>16226769it started falling apart the second cody left, but it still had casual interest. THAT disappeared when tony didnt make the elite work with punk. those three weeks after brawlout were the last 3 millies in a row the company ever did. hell, the last one might be the last ever. since then, the diehards have been slowly realizing theres no point in investing in anything aew produces because its literally thrown together at random
>>16226816I never said anything about WWE being good or not, frankly that doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is WWE has nearly doubled their live attendance since Triple H took over, ratings have gradually been increasing since 2020, and there's a buzz around the company that they haven't had in a long time. Meanwhile in that same timespan AEW's ratings and attendance keep decreasing with no end in sight. Tony failed to capitalize on almost every "game changing" signing he's brought in. Vince leaving the WWE meant that they couldn't promote themselves as "the cool alternative to the evil empire led by Vince" anymore, since the fans actually like and respect Triple H. Again, Vince leaving WWE was the worst thing to happen to AEW, because they can't rely on their shit smelling slightly better than WWE's shit anymore.
>>16226861It's never getting a million again or those fans back that they lost. It's in a decline that hasn't stopped yet
>>16226816true i cant watch it im constantly waiting for them to do something cool and it never happens, hopefully netflix means they can go back to the ruthless aggression style
>>16226769>What is the cause of their insane fall off?Your delusional headcanon. They just got a 9 figure TV deal. Cope harder.
>>16226769The Inoki Curse
>>16226769Cody leaving took all the storytelling with him. Punk leaving took the credible alternative cred with him.>No good stories since>Every good moment is dropped and forgotten >Still hasn't put any new talent over his ex-WWE Senior citizens.>Mox is wasted>Bucks can't book and just want shitter flip matches.>Despite indie shitter obsession, matches never go to time limit draws and make best of series>Fan club is no boys allowed so only trannies and girls can be fans of AEW Need I go on?
>>16226769Not being a wrestling business that cares about making money, gaining viewers, being entertaining. Its a toy box for a billionaire man child, with no booking and no future as long as hes in charge.And in all honesty, no hopes for change in the future because Toony seems like the kind of dipshit that would pull all his funding if they took creative control away from him. And the wrestlers dont give a shit because theyre getting twice the bag for half the work.
>>16227010I agree with everything but the mox line. Hes not being wasted, this is the pinnacle of what he can do. He cant wrestle, he cant do any promos, might as well try this nazi badass shit
>>16226957Thanks for posting Nick and/or Matt. Id guess Kenny but hes too busy having fake brawls with a faggot and still drawing a tie.
>>16227030seethe and cope fatso
>>16226769It was never good and WWE stopped being the heel promotion.
>>16226957>TV>In [current year]Wow. Does AEW have live public radio commentary as well? Maybe they should advertise in newspapers (the physical kind)? Or pay town criers? TV is the future, the internet is just a fad, chud.
>>16227042>coping this hard
>>16226769NXT has whooped their ass for weeks now. Tony can't even counter book the wrestling school because he's out of his depth. AEW is a failure of epic proportions.
>>16226968wtfthis has to be parodyhe cant be this much of a bumbling fool
>>16227044Will you moonsault off a cliff when pic rel happens but with AEW? We both know it's coming.
>>16226772YESSIRR
>>16227061Tony has more money than Vince, retard.
>>16226968>Bring Inoki's family from the ends of the Earth to act like an absolute sperglord in front of them
>>16227078Not for much longer at the rate they're bleeding each year. You think paying for giant rosters while putting on dogshit shows only about 5 people watch is good business sense?But good on you for supporting the indie circuit lmao
>>16227090>blah blah blah blah fat schizo headcanonseethe harder
>>16226769The Elite
>>16226769EVP over CMPunk
>>16227090You got him upset using only facts and logic. Love to see this, never stoop to their level.
it's gay
>>16227078So did Ted Turner back then.
>>16226769Tony obviously. he doesn't know anything about telling an interesting story or making good television. he's basically a big retard smashing his action figures together.
>>16226808That was just Vince being pretentious and ashamed of wrestling, he's going to his grave without a single notable accomplishment in entertainment outside of it, all while his former company vastly improved under a guy who is a lifelong wrestling mark who has never done anything else in his entire life.
>>16227042Someone is salty that raw's tv deal got cancelled after they went down to 2 hours so they are getting sent to netflix purgatory.
>>16226769AEW has never made my dick happywe're not little kids. you want adults to watch, give them a reason to watch.
>>16226769Tony and Covid and Vince getting cancelled. Also Triple H actually has made WWE better. Tony has made AEW worse. It sucks because there are a lot of wrestlers in AEW I still love, but the show just doesn't hook me anymore.
>>16226868>Durr, vince is evil, but the son in law who worked closely with him for decades and followed in his exact foot steps ousting vince's own son from the company in the process is totally a real hero
>>162274672 more weeks, Trevor?
>>16227204Nothing hhh does will ever top the 10 years Vince McMahon had with the WWE from 1996 to 2006
>>16226769They literally pushed their biggest star out of the company on purpose lmao
>>162274682 more durrs, Tardurr?
>>16227470haha that's crazywho would do a thing like that?
>>16227482>Bret Shart>Star
>>16227470Twice! (Codeman & Punkster)
>>16227484you had to be there
>>16226769Hubris
>>16227470>>16227485Neither of those were the biggest stars before their departure.
>>16228228Ironically they both became stars in AEW. Cody showed he could carry a company and Punk showed he can still draw. The Bucks are so petty and jealous that they pushed those guys out so they can have the biggest Indy shitter money mark fed ever and are going to squeeze Tony until he's dry rather than try and make a show that anyone but them would watch
>>16227141None of those were facts at all, you can stop pathetically samefagging and go kill yourself anytime now.
>>16228248you are delusional and deranged, and also fat
https://youtu.be/ElKegffPRus?si=qIdKJnCnRMqRzh05
>>16227010>>Mox is wastedno he's clean now, i promise. rehab worked
>>16226769I'll speak only for myself. For me it was:>the lame ass Elite takeover storyline that ended up not amounting to anything>Hangman's heel turn >Mox world champion again and the nu BBC shitI legit haven't watched AEW since WrestleDream. Maybe I'll give it another try when the C2 starts. Maybe. It will depend on how it will look.
>>16226769For me, way too many people that I (and many other people) like are just simply not on the show. Whether it be injuries, time off, outside projects or not using them because "they have limited dates", there's just too many people I don't give a shit about that are on the show. This wouldn't be such a big deal if there more people on the roster that were actually over, but they're lucky if they can get 1-2 people to move up the card a year and a lot of times the people they pick are antidimes.
>>16227467Yes actually
MJF's title reign
>>16227204I want to FUCK every female pictured except Charlotte
>>16226769Too many Exfed guys. People want an alternative, not Diet Coke WWE
>>16227482>this mark faggot still believes it was a shoot
>>16226782I shoot hate ROH bro.
>>16228256I always had an opinion he was the drizzling shits but he cemented it as fact when he went over James Storm when the new NWA first started
>>16226769It's no one thing it's lots of things that built over time.AEW's boom happened because of how bad WWE was from 2019 through 2022.AEW came around at the perfect time. Frustration with WWE was at an all time high. And AEW wasn't actively driving fans away. It had it's flaws even then but AEW's flaws were easy to overlook just because of how bad WWE was doing.Then AEW managed to bring Punk out of retirement. This was the biggest accomplishment of Tony Khan ever. And something that most WWE fans are thankful for. Because if AEW didn't exist Punk never returns to wrestling. And if Punk never returns to wrestling then he never returns to WWE for this incredible run he is having now.Between WWE being dog water and AEW signing CM Punk it was as clear that AEW at that time was the superior product. CM Punk was AEW's Outsiders moment. It was during this period that Jericho and Meltzer were saying things like Dynamite could one day surpass RAW. And if you aren't a tribalist you can see why lots of people thought it was possible at this time. But this time wasn't long for the world and everything began crumbling.WWE had a fire lit under their rear and they reminded the world just why they are the undisputed face of professional wrestling. They focused on their strength which has always been the story telling and the drama. Then the jealousy of the Elite happened. Punk had AEW in a position to rival WWE. And Tony was smart leaning into CM Punk creatively both on screen and behind the scenes. But the Bucks could not handle being second fiddle in the company they built. Eventually thanks to Jungle Boy AEW lost the guy who was pushing them to the most successful shows that AEW had.Losing Cody had caused a crack in AEW's foundation. But losing Phil was Jungle Boy and the Bucks taking a sledgehammer to that crack.And from there Tony has struggled to get a new mega star. He overspent for Ospreay, Okada, and Moné and they were all busts.
There was no fall off, it always sucked. Punk was the only hope, and they fucked it up
>>16226769There hasn't been an insane fall off, it's been just slightly worse than it was the first few years. People just got tired of it.
>>16226816I am enjoying RAW. I'm never bored on RAW. Watching Bronson Reed murder people and break things like a fat little wrecking ball is fun. The Wyatt family is fun. Karrion Kross has gotten really good. Dom is the most entertaining man in professional wrestling and is turning into a reincarnated Eddie before our eyes. Liv Morgan is hot and cool. Damien Priest had become a legit star and is fun to watch. Bron Breakker is super entertaining. Sami Zayn has always been fun. The new announcer is entertaining. RAW feels like a fun modern take on the Ruthless Aggression style formula.Anyone who calls RAW boring is just objectively wrong. They are either a tribalist liar who doesn't want to admit the show is good or they just have really bad taste in wrestling.NXT is a lot of fun too.But I will give you SmackDown. SmackDown is hard to sit through. And I usually don't. I just go see the YouTube clips for whatever the Bloodline is doing.
Tony really needs to clean house or stop pushing specific people. Right now I’d do this. >end Jack Perry’s title reign but DONT GIVE IT TO DANIEL GARCIA>push Christian/Bang Gang/HOB(might be too late for them but maybe give some of them storylines)>Give Darby the belt already because mox doesn’t need it >stop making OC some cool leader of the company>drop the ROH stuff. I’m serious. This is really hurting Collision >start cutting AEW originals. I know this will hurt but do we really need the dark order? >hangman vs jay makes no sense so drop that and let both of them do their own stuff.>the woman’s division is dire aside from Toni, statlander and julia. Bring Athena into the mix, drop mone and Mariah because Mariah’s reign has been awful. >outrunners should get more love, as should LFI and I’ll mention the HOB again because they can be tag teams as well. MXM does a good job at being comedic jobbers. Private party does nothing for the belts. >drop top flight, the righteous, gates of agony because they’re not worth keeping around. I like the righteous but they’re done. >tony needs to give up booking for himself and the “sickos”. You can’t have random matches that makes twitter cheer but draws no dimes for the audience. >the undisputed kingdom crap needs to end. Why am I seeing Roddy and Matt taven for the 100th time>if you won’t sell ROH then keep that shit in ROH. Why am I forced to watch Sammy with his god damn belt on a Saturday. Actually fire Sammy.>ADVERTISE.
>>16228622Righteous should be apart of the Bo Dallas stuff, Dark Order is set for life thanks to Brodie's lungs doing the job, MXM should be with Rico long term fuck it give him a contract Tony
>>16228647>bo Dallas stuff??? You want them in wwe?
>>16226769>insaneAEW has lost 400k in a rocky 4-5 year startWWE has lost 4 millionWWE lost 4
They were riding high based on the popularity of the Bullet Club and anti-Vince sentiment.They had no ideas after 2021 outside of redoing feuds from elsewhere and hiring WWE castoffs. It’s really a sad show at this point.The fan base is a bunch of sensitive weirdos who say “we” too much. You are poor and lonely at your shitty apartment, stop it. I went to PPVs, Dynamites and just stopped. It got awful fast. The New Japan vibe died and the cool factor went with it early. I’m enjoying the demise however. It’s exposed Meltzer as a bumbling old fool whose understanding of the industry died years ago.
>>16227442Raw got 6 billion from Netflix
>>16226769Do you have eyes? They constantly run the exact same angle every week, often 2 and 3 times per show. Nothing is ever built to or paid off. The shows make no sense. No one ever gets over or is gotten over, either you start over from another company or you manage to be likable enough to survive horrible booking.
>>16226769>Start a company>Brand identity is "wwe is stupid we will be the opposite of WWE">The entire presentation is copied from WWE>Half of the roster are former WWE talent>Every angle is copied and pasted from WWE, on most cases some of the worst angles in WWE history>Everything the company produces is done badlyWow I wonder
overall its just not very good /thread
>were sports oriented>first thing on tv is sonny kiss>tranny pandering>exploding barbedwire botch>hot potato title with punk and dean>brawl out footage>washed ibushi>debuts debuts debuts debutsDeath by a million dumbass mistakes
>>16226769Tony Khan
>>16226769no sliding, you need to face this thread.
hella piggies squealing in this thread
>>16226769FTR Bald is the only reason
>>16227144This.
>>16226769Being a pissant tranny company for retarded faggots probably
>>16226780Phil didn’t draw shit when he was in AEW.
>>16226769No sliding
>>16234547Enjoy your Adam Cole matches lil bro
>>16234547Yeah he did
>>16234547
Phil is an anti draw regardless of the fed.
>>16235550errrrr
>>16226769Cody was the one keeping the backstage at peace, when he left then it was a free for all
>>16236014>nearing two millionCM Bitch can’t even get two million.
>>16226769i cannot wait until this shit goes to max and never go to the top 10 it going to be hilarious lmaoWBD is going to tax this shit by next year
>>16228622Not reading all that, bitch.
>>16236084ummmmm
>>16226769Tony's just not a creative guy. That's the entire problem. You can do smark pandering wrestling well. Paul Heyman did it well. Gabe Sapolsky did it well. Bushiroad era NJPW was good up until the pandemic. Tony's just a numbers guy and not a great one. Zero inspiration.
WWE got better while AEW simultaneously ran out of ideas, and spread their resources too thin with the ROH purchase.
>>16226769I stopped watching around after the MJF Punk feud. I knew they were really the only ones on the roster that I was particularly interested in tuning in for and once Punk was out and MJF lost the title, I left
>>16226769probably listening to their retarded fanbase
>>16226769tony khan
listening to the IWC and taking their tranny headcanon onboard thinking it is what normal people want to watch
>>16226769too many pedophiles
>>16226769Tony can't book. Simple as.
Dronies still mad Tony won, huh?
>>16238893>Tony wonyeah, he won KWABOTY
>>16226769No one wants Diet coke WWE
>>16228622>>Give Darby the belt already because mox doesn’t need itKek he doesn't even bring it to shows anymore
>>16226968>all their heads turn in unisongenuine comedy skit
>>16226769Optics.They would be seen as the modern ECW if they didnt try to compete with WWE right off and act like they were embroiled in a war with them, and insist on running shows in NBA arenas when they would be better off doing small arenas and bingo halls.They are a company who doesnt seem welcoming. Tony Khan acts like he is at war all the time with WWE, their talent is ALWAYS arguing with nobodies on twitter and are woke overly sensitive assholes.They isolated people politically by having a tranny mixing it up in the womens division who is also insufferable online. They let CM Punk parade around in his abortion paraphernalia. They banned Hulk Hogan and his wife. Theyve generally alienated conservative wrestling fans.Their roster is way too bloated and there is no consistency in who is featured. Stars tend to come in seasons, like Jamie Hayter, who won the belt but couldnt even walk in the center of Britt Baker and Rebel r cut a single promo over her entire reign, before dropping off the face of the earth for two years then expecting us to care when she came back.They are just 100% athleticism, 0% Vince Russo storytelling. And you need some Russo to make it. People dont care because there is no reason to invest. Its a bloated and unentertaining product comparable to how college football isnt cared about as much as the NFL.
>>16238897OOOF! He did. Twice. And he's on track for the threepeat.
>>16226769vince was kicked out. people will always go back to wwe eventually
