Why is the piledriver presented as a dangerous banned move when jobber undercarders do a canadian destroyer every other week?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbwqZ8aLiqU
>>16285444Yeah there's a really big disconnect with the story they're telling there and the reality of the move in WWE. They act like no one's done a piledriver in 20 years when people throw them around all the times. Not untypical for it to be a throwaway move even in WWE
name 1 canadian destroyer done on main roster wwe in the last 3 years
>>16285444they look more fake than piledrivers
>>16285470They've done them in the Andrade/Carmelo Hayes series of matches and not as finishes.
Canadian destroyers don’t look as bad as a straight piledriver
>>16285444canadian destroyers have a debuff for looking gay
>>16285470Wasn't there just one in that Dragon Lee/Gable match the other Monday?
>>16285470Dom does them occasionally depending on who he wrestles
>>16285444Canadian destroyers look too fake and every indie shitter spamming them everywhere else killed all its credibility. Piledrivers on the other hand look so tough that spamming them kills the credibility of whoever no sells them and the fed that allows it
>>16285470chelsea green uses it to set up her finisher
>>16286033It's why WWE is right to try and reset some of the move inflation that has happened in the past ten years or so. The indy flipshitter style that people are totally burned out on in other companies has had its day. Might as well try to restore some sense of selling to wrestling.
>>16285444Because it's the most famous banned move
We've hit the point where every random guy wrestling in bingo halls can hit 1000 moves. To stand out now it's not about doing the coolest moves, but about the stuff that old guys like Piper, Lawler, Flair, Dusty, Bockwinkel used to do so well. It's funny, rewatching Nitro, how the cruiserweights got over doing a bunch of cool moves that felt unique then but are totally commonplace now. Telling stories in the ring and working with good psychology is much rarer than 450s, standing moonsaults, canadian destroyers, etc. Bingo. Lawler ran that angle over and over for, like, decades wherever he worked and it was great every time>>16286062I think they're moving in the right direction. I didn't watch smackdown this week but I saw the Cody promo and they really sold KO being a giant prick for hitting Randy with the piledriver.
>>16285444momentum and the direction of it. Canadian destroy is a forward momentum + gravity, so while it can strain the neck among many other freak mishaps, the probability is on your side as you lower body mass, which is now feet towards the ceiling, is moving forward and pivoting on your torso on the impact and forcing you to take the impact rolling and with a chin tuck. It's very much like one man taking a messy backwards roll with straight legs. You'll notice that the Piledriver Ko gave to Randy was cleverly modified so it was more of a canadian destroyer roll than a pile driverAn actually rested and primed piledrive, talking about one that Undertaker gives for best example with the wait before drop, relieves the giver having and maintaining full control bearing the full weight of the opponent and their own on their legs. Say for example on Canadian you taking a 200 pound man and him flipping on his own neck, it's double that on a pile driver. Once the descent starts there is no stopping until that 400 pounds or so is hitting on just your knees, and that's not even calculation acceleration and G, gravity. That's two peoples weight on your neck. If any part of this move goes wrong, like what happened with Owen and Stone Cold, all that force and impact is primarily hitting the neck and traveling up the spine and your chance of getting crippled is way higher.
>>16286132>Telling stories in the ring and working with good psychology is much rarer than 450s, standing moonsaults, canadian destroyers, etc.Exactly. Also the indy flipshit style burns out the fans eventually. As other companies are proving, there's only so many times you can see someone hit a top rope 450 inverted fucklebuster for a 2 count, before losing interest altogether. Taking it back to basics and focusing on stories is the only way.
>>16286033Canadian destroyers look good if there's some momentum already. Like if the person delivering the move runs up to the person really fast and does it as a surprise. Too often it's like they're just standing there setting it up, and that looks fake.
>>16286228i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks that the black and gold style indie match feels ancient as fuck these days, it feels like a style that is way past its prime like watching a hulkamania match during the attitude era. i do think you can build back up to that point but as you said, the matches that stand out now are the cleanly worked psychologically driven matches like the stuff gunther does or punk/drew's hiac match
>>16286252The black and gold style (I guess it's that whole PWG thing originally) has well and truly had its day now for sure
>>16286033Head drops have more or less been banned in WWE for close to 25 years because Owen refused to listen and did an unsafe version of the piledriver that Austin told him not to do because it was unsafe and broke Austin's neck.Vince in the 2000s would get a bug up his ass any time a move caused an injury and reflexively ban it. The Shooting Star Press and 450 were both banned for a while for that reason (Kidman injuring Chavo and Juvi injuring London respectively). IIRC the only reason the SSP got unbanned was because Evan Bourne had to do it dozens of times in a row to show that it could be done safely.
>>16285465>there's a really big disconnect with the storyNo, there isn't retard. Randy has a fucked back and has steel rods in after missing a year and a half of action.
>>16286774Akshually if I recall correctly they banned piledriver and alot of other moves in the 00's because there was this case where two kids wrestled and one accidentally killed the other with some kind of piledriver. It was all over the news and WWE got heat for it. That's around the time they did those campaign ads and promos that kept saying "don't try this at home".So it neither had to do with Owen Hart, nor was it a crazy Vince idea. It didn't even had to do with being anti-reactionary towards indie move spam. It all originated from that accident and WWE probably didn't want to get sued.
>>16285444i don't care about any of that i just can't get over how SHITTY that driver looked
I don't like seeing the move desu. Maybe WWE worked me into thinking it was more dangerous than it is but I got a little anxious when they did it in the MJF and DG match. The Orton/KO one looked like shit which is a shame because it ruined the moment
>>16285444I don't understand why the Canadian Destroyer is SUPPOSED to be devastating. The sunset flip part is way more emphasized than the "piledriver' part which is like a light tap. A standard piledriver looks way more nasty just because the head drop is the part that's emphasized
>>16285444>Why is the piledriver presented as a dangerous banned moveBecause it is a dangerous move.Even when the performer and receiver are both total pros, there is still a factor left that can cause dramatic injuries. Like when the receiver is wearing loose clothes and "slipping through" or sweating and then hitting the head/neck uncontrolled without any protection.Also, banned doesn't have to mean banned in total. Sometimes there are wrestlers that are allowed to use and even regularly use banned moves, but only because they are know for being very safe and have the trust of everyone and never failed by performing such move.
>>16285470bad bunny
>>16285444Superstars become resilient to moves they experience frequently. Piledrivers haven't been used in well over a decade. The superstars lost their resiliency to the move. GayEW isn't canon.
Scarlett can do a Destroyerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxd3HU_zYKY
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>>16289351>10 hour bumpWhat thread are you sliding?
canadian destroyer is a tranny fucker move for tranny fuckers
>>16285444Because the destroyer has a person rolling through the impact by its nature whereas a pile driver spikes someone straight down on their head and neck.
>>16289370You tell me
It's called protecting the mystique of the move. People really are getting worked by Kayfabe 2.0, you hate to see it
Is this going to be a weekly thing now where Cody is a face but conflicted if he should use pile driver 91 to beat his opponents? I swear I saw that story somewhere else.......
>>16285470dom did one on the apron not too long ago
>>16289975Very good point. It was Jerry Lawler's finish in different territories, but believe it or not, it was considered an illegal move in the Memphis territory for a long time. Lawler's first match against Andy Kaufman ended in him being disqualified for using the piledriver on Andy. It has been a very protected move in the old days.
>>16286812Then why not hit a powerbomb or backbreaker instead of that goofy ass looking tumblesault "piledriver" they did, retard? From what you're saying the actual move itself they chose doesn't even matter then
>>16289975>It's called protecting the mystique of the moveNo shit but this kind of goes out the window when you've got other people on the same shows doing flipping versions of the move you're trying to protect that don't even get a 3 count like that Dragon Lee and Gable match the other Monday
>>16285444Why is the DDT not banned if it drops you on your neckAnd historically it was considered a less safe and more dangerous move than the piledriver
>>16291187It drops a guy on his head, but yeah it can also fuck up your neck if performed improperly which is the real problem. If you cant perform a simple headplant move properly you really shouldn't be doing it but that's not the fault of the move it's more because the wrestler is a useless faggot.
