Are you an actual wrestling fan or do you just watch mark matches for marks?
>>16501664how is doing moves to each other for 8 minutes superior to doing moves to each other for 25 minutes? it's not called professional talking
>a mark match for markskek gotta love it
what's the story? If they're just doing moves one after the other then what's the point?
edrones will really go to any length to defend bad, boring "wrestling"
>>16501716What’s your story?
>>16501664It wasn't even a spotfest. It was more strong style. Completely overrated match, but this guy is a moron
>>16501664the nog is dumb but so's the tranime pfp for not knowing what a wrestling match is supposed to be
>edrone is a dirty brown that pays for a checkmarkLMFAO
kek this got the adhd spot piggies seething and malding and coping
>>16501716Not every wrestling match needs to have a story behind it. One should be able to watch a match between two guys they've never heard of before and enjoy it. The same way you can watch a good UFC fight between two undercard guys you've never seen before or a random football match with two clubs you've never heard of. A good match is one that can suspend your disbelief and hold your attention despite the fact that you know it's a work. That said, characters and stories still matter. When it comes to drawing money the characters and stories are more important. But the point of those characters and stories is to get you interested in the match. The purpose of each element is to get you interested in the other elements. I think that's why WWE is so hot right now. They're giving us all three of those things at a high level.
I 100% guarantee you that this e-drone is a drama / theater class fag back in high school
>>16502427>Not every wrestling match needs to have a story behind it.Not for twenty five minutes bro. Ten minutes max if all you're going to do is moves moves moves and then one person wins arbitrarily
>>16501664>mark match for markskek based Fred castrating the marks
>>16502427>Not every wrestling match needs to have a story behind itThe match is meant to tell a story, the big problem right now is that too many wrestlers are working a paint by numbers style, inserting spots and moves into a template that doesn't make any sense.
>marky mark smark smarky smark>i'm not a smark!>i don't like watching wrestling, or seeing the wrestlers try hard, or put in effort>all that matters if number go up!Is there any other fandom that is so in denial about being fans as wrestling fans are?They're fans of wrestling but they hate wrestling. They hate the idea of it. The match doesn't matter, only the lowest-tier, worst-acted soap operas imaginable have their appeal, and which guy is champion when company make the "big good money!"They say they care about stories but I guarantee you none of them care about why Austin/Rock were feuding for Wrestlemania X7, and more than half of them don't even know why it happened, that it was built around some TERRIBLE story about Austin being jealous of Rock being managed by Debra of all things.
Cornettesisters look like THAT?
>>16501664fred don't miss he got the twitter trannies bubblin!
>>16502473The anti-smarks also say Rock/Hogan is the greatest match of all time while also saying the story is more important than the match in pro-wrestling.But nobody, not a single fucking person, gave a single fuck about the story of that match and the only reason it's notable is because of the match itself, which the crowd hijacked by entirely ignoring the storyline and making Hogan a face on the spot. That's the power of a live wrestling match and it didn't have a goddamn thing to do with the story. Nor is it a workrate match, so it kind of destroys anti-smark logic on all fronts.
>>16502487>But nobody, not a single fucking person, gave a single fuck about the story of that match and the only reason it's notable is because of the match itself, which the crowd hijacked by entirely ignoring the storyline and making Hogan a face on the spot. That's the power of a live wrestling match and it didn't have a goddamn thing to do with the storyThe story was the real-life aspect that the crowd turned Hogan face and they both adapted to the live wrestling format on the biggest possible stage and spun themselves on a dime to accomodate the fansIt's unironically probably the best singular example of in-ring storytelling because two guys went in with an idea of what they were gonna do and completely 180'd it as necessity demanded
>>16502473You autistic losers who think wrestling is about "workrate" want to suck all of the soul out of wrestling and turn it into a gymnastics competition. What moves did he attempt. What degree of difficulty did it have. Did he stick the landing. How many moves per minute. How long was the match. When I punch these results into the spreadsheet how does it compare to other data and what can I infer about the quality of his performances.kill yourself
>>16502502Whole point is that what happens in the ring can be the story if it's compelling and it's done by a couple of smart workers.Also, you have to work for the audience you're in front of which a lot of wrestlers ignore, treating them all like they're the same crowd.
>>16502509Anti smarks are worse, they care more about the money X match makes instead of the match itself, even though they will earn 0 (zero) of that sum
The best matches are 15-18 minutes
>>16502509>What moves did he attempt. What degree of difficulty did it have. Did he stick the landing. How many moves per minute. How long was the match. When I punch these results into the spreadsheet how does it compare to other data and what can I infer about the quality of his performances.You couldn't be more wrong. I don't think anything like that watching a match. For example>How long was the matchI'm never ever thinking of this. But if a match ends suddenly or abruptly, and it feels like the story didn't fully play out, then yeah, it will feel like the match was too short. It's a feel thing though and is entirely dependent on my reaction to the story happening in the match.I don't know anyone who watches wrestling the way you're talking about. Even autistic king jew Meltzer doesn't spreadsheet out 'how many moves per minute' lol
>listens to one single jim cornette podcast>suddenly starts acting like they're pro wrestling expertsThe guys who just like seeing cool flips and moves are so much better than these fags.
>>16501664I mean folks…
>>16502533Wrestler here, can confirm that I'd rather listen to a million smelly guys try to backseat quarterback my wrestling and what I do in the ring than to talk to some retard who wants to talk to me about "the business" and uses a bunch of insider terms like he's part of it. At least those guys are fans. I don't even know why the latter guys come to shows or watch in the first place. I guess they liked wrestling as kids and just can't walk away from it even though they seem to hate it.
>>16502530>I don't know anyone who watches wrestling the way you're talking about.
>>16502533It's really ironic that Jim hates smarks so much when he's chiefly responsible for giving birth to a new breed of smark that is more obnoxious than all smarks before them.
>>16502547>prowrestlingmusings.comNever heard of them
>>16502563It's all because he's in denial about being a smark himselfHe's a wrestling superfan who basically brown-nosed his way into the business, who fantasized about being "one of the boys" and more or less just ended up carrying the boys' bags and sitting in the cuck chair in the hotel while they fucked rats.I'd argue that Cornette is even more of a wrestling superfan geek than Meltzer
>>16502564If you think he's one of a kind then study cagematch and get back to me
>>16502584>a super minority of a super minorityYou're letting like a hundred autists drive you to the point of mental insanity in a fandom that consists of millions of people.Who gives a shit if a handful of these people exist, anon, really.
>>16502594I don't care that they exist but if they post on the same imageboard as me I will make fun of them and if they insist their gay workrate shit is the best thing ever I will try get them to explain why (they never can)
>>16502487>The antismarks say [thing they never said]>Therefore their logic is destroyed because [piss-poor interpretation of events]Yeah you're cooking right now bro, keep it going
>>16501664Isn’t it a smark match for smarks?A mark match for marks world be like a match of nothing but poses, postering and promos.
>>16502544You sound like a fag, Wrestler. If you weren't such a mark bitch maybe you could sell more merch and make a living instead of resenting the fans who don't care for your indy smark bullshit.
>>16502637It's always funny when the wrestlers act like anyone gives a fuck about their opinion on anything.You're a character in a tv show to us, and if you're not on tv then you're not even a wrestler really
>>16502637If it's that easy, why aren't you out there drawing dimes, anon?
>>16502646It really is wild how out of touch with reality they are. If you saw an NBA player in person and asked them "Who should your team target in free agency? Who's the best fit?" and they look at you like an asshole for not praising their latest game-winning shot, then who's really the mark?It's the game and the business, it's both. Fans are an endangered species, Stans have taken over most hobbies. Blame the internet.
>>16502691Why am I not training for my professional basketball career? Is that what you're asking?
i swear this storyline shit has rotted wwe fan brains they saw one guy holding a belt for 5 years than think all of his feuds were great i hate hem
>>16502720Except wrestling is pre-determined entertainment not a sport, retard.You don't walk up to Christopher Nolan and say>Where are you looking to shoot your next film? I hear Spain is very affordable, you could maybe shave 5% off of production costs. How are your international returns in the Balkans, anyway? Specifically, the Croatian market.It's weird, anon, and you'd be treated like a weirdo. And that's not even considering the whole "kayfabe" thing that exists in wrestling.
>>16502730Once again, wrestling isn't real. How could it be? You think matches don't matter so isn't it more like acting to you anyway? Besides, do gyms not exist where you live? Can you not work out, make yourself look presentable? You seem to have the mental game of pro wrestling absolutely cornered so I'm sure you'd nail it.
AEW definitely has a problem where guys can't help but do every idea they have. For instance, and this has happened in other similar situation. When Adam Cole had his first match back they did a spot where his injured leg was being worked over and he made a big babyface comeback and won.Doesn't that make more sense to do that in a match that has actual build? Cause you've just shown everyone he's 100% recovered from his injury, and no one even cared in the moment cause it was a throw away match.I was a huge indie fan 20 years ago, and I really want AEW to be better, but I guess all the haters were right, and that style only degenerated.
>>16502772I don't guess you watched any of Gargano and Cole's NXT matches because they were exactly what you're talking about but 10 times worse and more of a wankfest than anything he's done in AEW so far thankfully.
>>16502777I don't watch WWE and that includes NXT. That said I watched 2002 CZW, and AEW is worse than that. The best AEW match, not counting a Punk match or Cody vs Dustin would have been boo'd out of the ECW arena.
>>16502742Actually WWE fans are completely right about storylines being the only important aspect of pro wrestling. Sadly your brain has been rotted by Dave Meltzer and his attempts to make everyone love shitty wrestlers and shitty matches.
>>16502777You brand slave retards think two wrongs make a right. Just because WWE did something bad doesn't mean it's okay for AEW to also do something bad.Black and gold was dimeless which is why all those guys got fired by Vince>>16502743nah you're just a retard with autism. When I say something sucks and the ticket sales for that thing are low then I can add that detail in to accentuate my point. I'd still say that thing sucks with or without knowing those ticket sales
>>16502800pseud int is getting BTFO and starting to panic lmao
>>16502792>Actually WWE fans are completely right about storylines being the only important aspect of pro wrestling.it is but in wwe that shit sucks it's a fucking pg i understand it was your childhood but it's boring these days and wrestling outside of it is more enjoyable
>>16501664Edge was right. Internet faggots take fake wrestling too seriously, on all sides of the "peek cinema / real grapes" argument. Twitter and Reddit are cancer for this bullshit.Take a shower, hit the weights, get a clue, find a girlfriend, having fucking sex, just enjoy wrestling.>inb4 edrone>inb4 tranny>inb4 rovert>inb4 hogwheels>inb4 joshipedo|>inb4 bitchtits>inb4 wolfie>inb4 edge phoenix>inb4 smackdown was cancelled>inb4 rampage was cancelled>inb4 who raped you>inb4 fine speechreply to this post or your mother will get Nash'd in her sleep.
>>16502789>The best AEW match, not counting a Punk match or Cody vs Dustin would have been boo'd out of the ECW arenaSerious question, are you fucking retarded?
>>16503589Sup Ojama
>>16503621If you showed an ospreay match to ecw fans it would be nothing but you suck dick and faggot chants
antismarks(I don't like the term because they are actually the biggest smarks ever but whatever) parroting podcast and shoot interviews to larp and sound "in the know", are the most pathetic type of fan, we should popularize YWNBINTB(you will never be in the business) as a low effort reply to their larping
>>16501716>what's the storythat the competitors want to win the match
>>16501716Don’t expect this board to understand anything about pro wrestling
>>16503629Oh yeah cause ECW fans hated flippy shit, right? You never actually watched ECW and it shows. Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>16503630The only defining feature of an antismark is that they don't like smarksIf "antismarks" are following you around everywhere you go then that says more about you than some non-existent group
>>16503636>YWNBINTB
>>16503637go look up Jericho's debut ECW match little guy
>>16503638you are on a online wrestling board discussing meta shit about it, you are the definition of a smark, everyone here is get over it
>>16503652I care about the stories of pro wrestling. I care about the characters. You're a faggot who ignores what's actually being presented to him and just obsesses over the stunts and the "workers".We don't care about the same things, we don't want to talk about the same things, that's why you belong on reddit or /wooo/ and not here
>>16503658like what you like and hate what you hate just don't larp about knowing the business when you are just parroting podcasts, it's really patheticYes I watch AEW and skip literally everything that isn't a match, I watch wrestling for the cool stunts, you watch it for the soap opera elements to each his own, we are both equally smarks deal with it
>>16503669what's with trannies lately and insisting every single person with a different opinion than them has been brainwashed by a podcaster? Next minute you're going to throw the word grifter around
>>16503644Go look up RVD vs. Jerry Lynn ya dumbfuck. The ECW fans would have went apeshit for Ospreay.
>>16503637ECW matches, even the flippy ones, always had some psychology in them, i've seen plenty of AEW matches without any logic, just a constant series of moves happening because their fans only understand movez, every Young Bucks or Lucha Bros match was like that for example.
>>16503677>what's with sub80iq console warriors thinking everyone with a different opinion is a tranny?I'm as right wing as it gets faggot, and I can actually walk the walk since I'm a white european with a job and a girlfriend not some obese mutt living in his mom's basementI don't care what opinions you hold as I already said twice, it's just pathetic to pretend to be knowledgeable about the inner workings of something you are never been a part of when you are just a fan who listened to podcasts about it
>>16503712blah blah blah tranny copeThis is an anonymous imageboard little guy you've got to use your words to win arguments not make up stories about how cool and successful you are compared to all the other posters who you know absolutely nothing about
>>16503696That's bullshit and you know it. You're really gonna sit there and tell me every single ECW match had psychology in it? So explain the psychology behind New Jack hitting dudes with random bullshit while Natural Born Killaz blared over the PA system.
>>16503745Hardcore matches tend to have no psychology but i was talking about the average match, even Sandman's hardcore matches had more logic to them than a Young Bucks circus-like routine anyway.
>>16503734what argument? lmaoI'm stating facts and you are seething about it and turning this into console war thread n98921212112976376986 when I already told you idgaf if you like wwe and hate aew or whaever else>you are on a online wrestling board discussing meta shit about it, you are the definition of a smark,literally the definition of the word>, it's just pathetic to pretend to be knowledgeable about the inner workings of something you are never been a part of self evident to anyone with a shred of self awernessKeep seething about reality while calling someone else a tranny, it's not ironic at all ;)
>>16503757That's right, move those goalposts and keep repeating the same old tired talking points. You weren't there, you didn't watch and you don't know shit.
>>16503696>>16503757>ECW matches, even the flippy ones, always had some psychology in them>alwaysnext post>Hardcore matches tend to have no psychology but i was talking about the average matchnta but you are a disingenuous faggot>>16503788he's right about the young buck being unwatchably bad though
>>16501664Didn't watch the match and an avid edrone, but this sounds like a better match than the main event of the last wrestlemania.
>>16503782You're writing entire essays about your personal life in response to being called a tranny on a board where both you and the people you're interacting with are anonymous, go back to whichever obese smark forum you crawled out of and don't come backAnd you're arguing about shit literally no one else has brought up like podcasts and inner workings of the wrestling business like it means anything. All anti smarks are smarks, so what? We still don't want to talk to faggots who go on about cartwheels and thigh slaps like they're high art
>>16503788Olivier "learned" how to wrestle from anime, he especially never knew how to sell properly, he was more "animated" when he was on the mat selling than actually on his feet somehow>>16503793Hardcore matches in ECW still had some logic which is completely missing in a lot of AEW matches, i said they tend to have no logic but it doesn't mean they didn't have any in ECW, they have zero logic in most modern hardcore bouts and generally in indieshit promotions that focus on that
>>16503805>OlivierStopped reading there. Try forming your own opinion sometime.
>>16503805Im just a casual observer, but you don't seem very knowledgeable about wrestling
>>16503802>You're writing entire essays about your personal lifeah yes the famous 10 worlds 48 characters essay lolI wonder who would seethe so much at "I'm a white european with a job and a girlfriend" perhaps a brown incel neet?nah this is an anonymous forum after all how could I possibly know!> shit literally no one else has brought up like podcasts and inner workings of the wrestling business like it means anythingliterally the point of the OP is making fun of larping antismarks you stupid faggot
>>16501664Bet he didn't watch it. It was actually one of Mercedes' better matches in terms of psychology
>>16503853What was the story of the match. How did it justify two terminators throwing the kitchen sink at each for twenty five minutes. What was the strategy that the winner used to pull ahead of the loser and win in the end."psychology" lol. You used that word now explain yourself
>>16503853Of course he didn't watch it. Edrones have a lot of strong opinions about shit they've never seen.
>>16503865YWNBINTB
>>16502584>Dive=5pts
>>16501664We don't use that word here.
>>16501664I hate wrestlingI'm just here to shitpost
