Too many around here seem to be under the impression that joshis aren't wrestlers and that joshi fans are just here to post pretty pics and goon.Nothing could be further from the truth. Joshis aren't just wrestlers - many of them are great wrestlers who put on excellent matches.Share your favorite joshi matches for the doubters. Try to focus on actual matches in this thread - post sexy pics if you want, but, if you do, make sure to include a good match with the wrestler in question. I'll start with one of my favorites (unrelated to pic).Syuri vs Utami Hayashishita (entrances start at 2:50, match starts at 9:07):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z27FV2DOTE
>>16574595Syuri vs Utami rematch (entrances start at 2:53, match starts at 9:24):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2oUeR46TJc
Mayu Iwatani vs Io Shirai (match starts at 8:13)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7my7pa
Mayu vs Io Shirai rematch (match starts at 8:10)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A85LEsVyMXM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXTvuuHg43Ahttps://youtu.be/5q9V0iwndeE?si=kGWihX6CBIV0R8x_https://youtu.be/gDoh5tnyoTY?si=Xi51x5bEnyDnLMSSGOATuko
>>16574763You apparently decided to bring the S-Tier to this thread, great stuff
>>16574763I appreciate that her and Kensuke didn't let their kids get into wrestling. That's good parenting.
Modern joshi is appalling.
Sareee vs Mayu Iwatani (entrances at 2:15, match at 7:43)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTFm_vDg8mc
>>16574908It's okay if you don't like it but some of us do.Different strokes for different folks and that's alright.
Kairi Hojo vs Meiko Satomura (match at 6:30)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7t4aa9
Sakura Hirota is dimeshttps://youtu.be/crn26fLIFz0?si=Ba1_E7-GJPxnEWZD
>>16575036Didn't Meiko say Kairi was a shitter and she didn't want to put her over?
>>16575069Probably... from the look of things shoot knocked the shit out of her too
>>16575069>>16575079I think Nanae beat Kairi up too. Why do the vet love slapping around Kairi? Everybody says she total sweetheart.
>>16575102I'd imagine it's because they came from the old school and saw her as a pretty girl wrestler wannabe
Queens Quest vs Oedo Tai Cagematch - losing stable must kick out a member(Entrances start at 2:22:30, match around 2:29:40) https://archive.org/details/stardom-in-sunshine-25-06-23
>>16574595nobody here who thinks joshi isn't wrestling will click this thread lmfao
>>16575183Of course not. They filter this stuff anyway. Incidentally, they tend to be the most obnoxious members of the board and that's why joshi threads tend to be pretty chill.This thread is for the the fence sitters, really. Plus I just thought this "pro-wrestling" board could use a bit of actual wrestling on it.
For me strong style only makes sense if it's performed by women
Syuri vs Momo Watanabe Five Star Final (entrances at 0:50, match at 5:00)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84jdme
>ITT: homosexualsPost some sexy joshis to salvage this shit thread
>>16575425Sorry this thread isn't up to your standards. I thought it was an interesting change of pace.Here, you can go Sock Free thread. I created that too. >>16527269Or you can go to the Pieter thread. I posted most of those images. >>16559653Or there's the Sayaka Kurara thread. Me too. >>16568947Just thought some actual wrestling on the wrestling board would be a nice change of pace.
>>16575425Natsupoi vs Mina Shirakawa (entrances at 2:25, match at 9:25)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8r98my
>>16575425Natsupoi vs Starlight Kid (match starts around 5:40)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8fukj7
Starlight Kid vs AZM (match starts around 5:00)https://www.tokyvideo.com/video/starlight-kid-vs-azm
>>16575969Tag
>>16575425FOUND THE GAYBO
>>16575974Kagetsu and Hana Kimura vs Mayu Iwatani and Saki Kashima (match starts around 7:40)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7w9rr8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfcv9kql6hA
>>16574595It's not the 90s anymore and joshis are no longer at the forefront of innovation in wrestling. It's okay to admit the appeal of the modern stuff is the perv bait
>>16576074Love Momo... wish she'd get the Red Belt one of these days.
>>16576160Just because they're perv bait doesn't mean they're not doing stuff that's as good or even better than a lot of the shit being done now.I think what you said is more an indictment on modern wrestling than joshi itself. Safer styles, stronger emphasis on locker room cohesiveness instead of encouraging the type of legit heat that gets people hurt, etc. In terms of actual wrestling I'd watch Stardom over most companies right now, and that includes the Big American Two. Shit, it even outshines current New Japan at the moment.
did anyone post any of the Stardom cage matches from the last couple years? the Oedo Tai vs Queen's Quest faction warfare one was fantastic. Tam vs Poi cage match from the year earlier was also amazing
>>16576185The multiwoman tag is right here >>16575169If you've got a link to Tam vs Poi, definitely post it because I couldn't find one.
Momo Watanabe vs Mayu Iwatani (match starts at 6:00)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x99awfa
>>16574595Miyu Yamashita vs Miu Watanabehttps://youtu.be/1K-Nmt7piTI?si=mIaJ4UCGHMxkB5-x&t=307
>>16574595Sareee & Mayu Iwatani vs. Chihiro Hashimoto & VENYhttps://youtu.be/7DQXY2VkylE?si=OqNGkYwo8yWeIxVF&t=279
>>16576326I don't watch a whole lot of TJPW but that was an excellent match. The times when I have checked it out I've always enjoyed these two.Plus Miu has one of my favorite entrance themes in all of pro-wrestlinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZYjF6YaaPk
>>16576350Miu Watanabe vs Shoko Nakajima https://youtu.be/dHHtm1CPl10?si=5AEaITSznRVUgQ7A&t=323
>>16576182I mostly find it pretty stagnant and missable across the board. I will say though, joshi is probably the last wrestling scene where the indies still regularly outshine the companies owned by mainstream entities. I usually like what I see from Sendai Girls and those Sareee produce shows and whenever a signed talent like Natsupoi shows up on an indie show she usually looks great so I can definitely agree a big problem is stale, heatless house styles holding these girls back
>>16576419That's fair.It's like you said, when they show up on American soil they shine brighter than anyone expects. A lot of people had no idea who Hazuki was, but she shows up in a match with Mercedes and they put on a match that many declared one of the best women's matches of the year.And Hazuki, as good is she is, isn't even the best in the company.
>>16576193okay. Tam vs Poi steel cage match from Fight in the Top 2022: https://archive.org/details/stardom-fight-in-the-top-2022-26-06-22Video package starts at 1:42:27. Entrances start around: 2:02:20. Match starts at 2:07:34. Giulia is on commentary too (in Japanese obviously)
>>16574595>Too many around here seem to be under the impression that joshis aren't wrestlersBecause they're not.
>>16576460>Giulia is on commentary too (in Japanese obviously)>Japanese>not Shitalian Ngmi
>>16576467There's a whole thread here proving ya wrong anon.Maybe it's not your style but if what they're doing isn't wrestling, I don't know what is.
>>16576460Good find!
>>16576500Thanks, happy to share. it's one of my favorite Stardom matches. little weird to see DDM poi tho
>>16576668I know, right?It's particularly funny because it wasn't even that long ago.
>>16576460I prefer the rematch that happened at Korakuen 2 days after. Poi goes through some biblical fucking punishment shit in that one.https://vk.com/wall-4499945_22074Starts at 2:09:34
Giulia vs Sareeehttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x92slry
Saya Kamitani is my fabarit. Show me the Phenex
>>16576419>joshi is probably the last wrestling scene where the indies still regularly outshine the companies owned by mainstream entities>a big problem is stale, heatless house styles holding these girls backI don't agree with any of that at all. Joshi indies is such a small incestuous scene it's always the same 10 people rotating around every fed wrestling the same matches over and over. Sareee, Saori, Veny, Zones, Iroha, Unagi, Nagisa, etc. The big feds don't have much of a talent rotation either, but at least they have long term rivalries and stories to fall back on, instead of just randomly thrown together matches.
>>16576500>findit's stardom that's like saying WOW WHAT A GOOD FIND for a wwe ppv match. absolute fucking retard
>>16576887https://vkvideo.ru/video-4499945_456250438Saya vs Hazuki white belt match, starts at 1:56:22. You've seen it if you're a Saya or Hazuki fan, but posting it for the benefit of people who might not have
>>16576924"Good find" as in it's tough to track down free links to these matches dipshit.Try thinking before you post in the future.
>>16574595Based thread btw
>>16576965Thank you! I just thought it would be a fun way to spend a Saturday.I figured it'd be a nice change of pace from the rape threads and console warring, at the very least.
>>16576908>at least they have long term rivalries and stories to fall back on, instead of just randomly thrown together matches.there hasn't been a good story told in joshi since the showa era
company ace minami toyota taking on the very popular and talented kyoko inoue for the big red belt. This takes place in 95, and while we're definitely in the downturn of joshi's massive mainstream appeal there is still a loud and dedicated fanbase that was drawing reliably better than most of today's shows outside of the one or two annual mega cards. While I think Hokuto/Toyota is Toyota's best match of 95, this is my favorite of the times Toyota and Inoue wrestledhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk4u2ibmU-I
>>16577018SLK's kidnapping and indoctrinationGiulia vs TamMina vs Saya (yes, they fucked it up multiple times along the way, but it was still good)
>>16577018I don't know man, the Waka winning after he losing streak story got me teary-eyed and I'm not usually the sentimental type.Not everyone needs an intricate story, some of us just like watching wrestling.
>>16577048>Giulia vs Tamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU3fL7TFBLg
>>16574908No lies detected
>>16577048where they had a hair vs hair match and just laughed at the end?
Mayu Iwatani vs MIRAI5 Star GP Opening round a couple years backhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR1uogEX21M
>>16577066Yeah, tell me you don't watch without telling me you don't watch.The feud went well past that.
>>16577050Never was that invested into a jobber before. You're right, that was a fantastic story
>>16577066You mean the part that perfectly encapsulated both characters? Giulia being cold and not giving a fuck about losing her hair, while Tam is having a nervous breakdown and trying to back out as what she really wanted was to finally beat Giulia, the humiliation of cutting her hair was just a bonus which she realized she didn't actually want to go through with. I'm supposed to think that's bad?
>>16577082lulu pencil did it better
https://youtu.be/aIUX3UPDNh0?si=qQ5T3CTNz4U69jUAJesse telling Gorilla he would leave the proper pronunciation of names to him because Gorilla is from Manchuria is GOAT tier commentary.
>>16577097Yes.Only muh Tribal Bloodline putting up its fingers counts as a good storyline.(I ain't shitting on WWE or 99.9% of WWE fans. Just the people who think WWE is the end-all-be-all of pro-wrestling and pro-wrestling storylines)
>>16577169Going old school joshi here, I like it
>>16577180It's fine. I can't blame western fans for that kind of thinking. For a lot of joshi shit story development is progressed in social media backstage comments/tweets, so just watching the shows won't get you the full picture especially now that we no longer get pre-match promos on house shows. Meanwhile WWE loves to repeat the same plot point every week for a month straight to really hammer in what's going on so there's no real thinking or following along required there.
>>16576840based
>>16577214I miss the pre-match promos and the in-show subtitles. It all added so much to the product.Seems doubtful that will ever return.
>>16577234Crazy how the house show distribution keeps regressing. We got livestreaming (sometimes), but lost subtitles, pre-match promos and 1080p video. And the live 720p is sometimes pixelated trash quality too. At least they started archiving the post-match promos on there.
>>16577263Yeah, real shame.Part that really makes me sad is that it all happened after I started telling people they should watch it kek
Mayu Iwatani vs Momo Watanabe (2020) (match starts around 7:40)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7r428n
Thread turned out way better than I expected
Pedo general
https://youtu.be/3fmzG8EGONI?si=ETMyIbGj55T64lSrDon't even need to watch this to know it is an instant classic. How is Christmas cake Unagi so sexy?
https://youtu.be/C2CsoVSzqAs?si=fnhqdOmP_A8lZ2tgShidabros, where did it all go wrong?
https://youtu.be/x_sRZ3VH_Mo?si=YY0DqnthiqH24kb6Ugly women beating each other up
>>16580763https://youtu.be/HD_29guJcWU?si=fb1-9FiyNGU6N82_Better quality
>>16577071Miss this yaeba player in Stardom
>>16580011Post hidden, thread bumped. Go post in a gay interacial fanfiction rapeslop thread. We're here to discuss WRESTLING on a WRESTLING board.
>>16577071Mirai vs Suzu in New Blood 3 was good (back when suzu was thin and not lazy)https://www.youtube.com/live/VigSiP6ESv0&t=3591
https://youtu.be/AeC9X_qu9lE?si=q_eRfmhzxnXX7RMONXT Supstar vs NXT Failure
>>16574595>joshi threadOh look it’s just another Stardom circlejerk thread
>>16582750You're free to post literally any joshi fed you want
bump
>>16575383>2021: finals>2022: 6 wins - 6 losses>2023: 5 wins - 4 losses>2024: 2 wins - 4 lossesthis bitch has heat
>>16576467sitting on your ass and filming a show once a week isn't the same as going town to town on a loop and wrestling multiple times in a weekfind a new hobby
>>16574908Senjo is the only good modern promotionThe scene is filled with too many failed idols and actresses and not enough senshus who actually love wrestling
>>16582949Doesn't even have to be a joshi fed, we've got old-school WWF in here as wellJust needs to be good joshi matches, preferably with a pic of one of the wrestlers if possible
nice having an actual wrestling thread on this board
>>16576028the ending of that match was based
Mizuki vs Yuka Sakazaki (entrances at 2:22, match around 5:45)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x92gs2g
>>16582750>Ozcel cryingThey really can't help themselves
>>16576182I found Stardom great 2017-20202020-2022 was pretty goodafter that it pretty much became like every other Joshi wrestling company just with better production
>>16586285Yeah, I started watching at the tail end of 2021. It's gone downhill. But it's accessible and watchable and I like the roster.
Any bra and panties matches from Japan?
>>16586791This thread is about wrestling, not bra-and-panties matches.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9zmM_FzOpxc&pp=ygULTmFobyB5YW1hZGE%3DA match between future legends. Someday young joshis trainees will watch this match and study the humble beginnings of these two icons.
>>16586791https://youtu.be/VQ9omODIKuI?si=8FDt_gwdT3BHUFZeBest I could come up with.
https://youtu.be/IPwAOssPJVo?si=QlgOMTJS3U7J2znNGAEAism
>>16587261more japs with big tits
She should have gotten into wrestling
>>16586071This match gets *really* interesting around the 7:27 mark after Mizuki accidentally breaks the part of Yuka's outfit that's holding her top on
Probably my favoriteArisa Hoshiki vs Tam Nakanohttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7tabdp
>>16589422If you look in the pic you can see her straps hanging off
>>16589422>>16589595nip slip?
>>16589683Might be if you watch closely, she fought with her top while trying to wrestle for like several minutes, it was hilarious
>>16588901>She should have gotten into wrestling
>>16574595you have to pay to watch most matches
>>16577071Ace Of Aces Match
>>16590372good thing there's an entire thread of matches that you don't have to pay for
Maika vs Tora got me in a bloodlust mood. Any modern recs? I've seen most of Risa Sera's stuff.
>>16590384Exactly. There are lots of good matches, but finding free links to them sometimes involves a bit of legwork. There were quite a few I tried to track down that I couldn't find free links for.At least we've got an archive here, if only for a short time.
>>16590972Megumi Kudo vs Mayumi Ozakihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJkk2OMm_mk
>>16582750Where's the circlejerk?Looks like a bunch of matches to me.
>>16592271Well you'll knew if you had google services activated
>>16592282What do you mean exactly?I try to limit Google's presence in my life as much as I can.
>>16592286They don't posts all the porn
fun thread, good stuff for someone potentially interested in Stardom and other companies but not sure if it's for them
>>16593173I agreeThey always take it personallyMakes you suspicious
>>16590372https://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22Stardom+Wrestling%22&sort=-datehttps://archive.org/search?query=subject%3A%22TJPW%22&sort=-date
Chihiro Hashimoto vs Sareee (match starts around 4:00)https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7u4r5e
>>16588901nice rack
where are all the gooners in chat
>>16596008Not really a gooning thread I guess
>>16596008I think they deep in the joshi pit >>16594530
Not even close to a best of all time match, but this one made me smile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lACl-3yk738
>>16598302I honestly enjoy these matches more than the girls just saw dusting their bodies into shitI wish they subbed what they were saying in the ring
>>16598302Mei Saint Michel and Sakisama tag matches were some of my favorite in TJPWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGm1Vt8bV74&t=940s
>>16582949No actual Joshi fans post in this threads just stardomfags who spend their life on this board seething like this cringe virgin >>16586204
>>16599012That /ozcel guy must have gaped anons ass so wide it’s still bleeding with how obsessed he is. Cringe stalker level
wondered why this thread was still up, of course it was the ozcel console war tard having a melty seething about stardom
>>16599172Kek yep definitely still bleeding wwww
>>16599172>oh another boring stardom threadIts /ozcel seethingIts /ozcel seethingIts /ozcel seething>wtf is wrong with you?I knew it!/ozcel/ozcel/ozcelCompletely normal behavior. Touch grass.
Shouldn't /oz/cel be thanking Stargods for drawing the house? FWC main eventing did their best attendance in a while
>>16599172Typical Stardrone behavior
>>16576908>>16576419>I will say though, joshi is probably the last wrestling scene where the indies still regularly outshine the companies owned by mainstream entitiesThis simply isn't true. The indies literally exist because it matters more, to a lot more people than it should, to be booked like a star than it is to be in a promotion that draws money. It's genuinely a situation where too many people in the scene think 'I'll make way less money in a promotion such as OZ or Diana or Marvelous but I'll feel like a star'. This then creates a situation where the booking of promotions such as Sendai or Marvelous is so moribund and repetitive, because people such as Yuu, Fujimoto, Iroha and Hash cannot bear to not be winning 90% of their matches or go close to 50/50 in a match with their opponent, it makes the product unwatchable to any actually significant amount of people. On a smaller scale look to Prominence where Sera could not bare to have someone such as Suzu or Fujita have a legitimate pin over her so they and the crowd eventually left (most people in today's day and age don't actually want to see the same people constantly winning).
>>16598477OP here - I actually do too, although the big matches can be great as well. I started getting into Stardom after Dream Queendom 2021 - I was impressed with the big matches but it was actually Fukigen who won me over initially.Incidentally, the Syuri/Saki saga is one of my favorite current storylines in all of wrestling. It's lowkey but they play off each other so well and I have to think they've been pretty good friends outside kayfabe for a while now.
Saki Kashima is a great worker
>>16601026Do we watch pro-wrestling primarily for good matches or do we watch it to be entertained (and enjoy some good matches along the way)?Saki is consistently one of the most entertaining gals on that roster.
>>16601071entertained I really dont care about good work rate if im entertaineddont get me wrong a great match is good if you have a story leading up to it that makes you care and someone in the match you like enough to want to see win.Saki is the best worker in Stardom though she barely wrestles anymoreshe is always in Tags and big group matches and barely in any of it to really do much.Her matches with Sumire with her singing her song were probably some of my favorites of hers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NRTGFeqZxA
>>16577038Underrated. Probably because it isnt from the 2000s and zoomer joshi fans cant watch anything not stardom
>>16601642kek, I've heard about this and I'm glad I've gotten a chance to see it.Older Stardom is a vibe. I don't mind Bushiroad Stardom since that's what it was when I started watching three years ago but I like that more intimate feel it used to have.
>>16601680That plus even some some of us older folks are only getting into it more recently because of Stardom.I mean, I'm an oldfag and was a teen back in the 90s but just never had much exposure to joshi until three years ago. Which isn't to say it isn't great stuff, but you don't know what you're never exposed to.
>>16601685there's some better ones out there if you have Stardom world check them outSaki and Sumire i think had maybe 4-5 matches it was a fun little feud Sumire is also a great worker and has even said she hates taking bumps so learned how to work and be entertaining in the ring.her matches are also worth checking outsadly she bogged herself and didnt need to.
>>16601693This I only got into it because of the pandemic I have checked out some others like TJPW, Diana, JTO, and MerigoldI just dont have the time to watch multiple wresting shows
>>16601693Well good thing every major AJW event is on youtube
>>16601746I might have to start a thread like this one devoted entirely to AJW at some point.
>>16601071I feel the most emotion from hard hitting matches with a strong story where I'm invested in the players, though I'm not opposed to a few comedy matches per show. So I guess it's a mix of both for me, but I don't think I could sit through a straight up comedy wrestling show. I tried with TJPW a few times and couldn't get into it. Saki's definitely a great talent though, her smacking the shit out of Thekla was fantastic.
>>16602618problem with a show thats mainly a comedy show its the same bits over and over again and it wears thin fast Like I loved the Costume battle Royal back when stardom did it but its great as a once a year thing wouldnt want to see it every week or month, it would get stalewish they would bring it back
>>16603069Yeah, the thing is with Stardom is that I don't think it's really meant for viewers to watch every show available. A lot of those are just house shows for people in attendance. No one is going around watching all the house shows.But in the US, at least, we're used to regular shows and, if you make them available, those of us who are into a promotion will watch as much as we can if we have the time to do so.I ain't saying don't do it, but that's a major downside.
>>16603541I shoot watch all the house shows, mostly as second monitor background noise but I find an entertaining match once in a while.
>>16574646Mm yum.
>>16603846Indeed.Great match to boot.
>>16601693My entrance was Bull Nakano or else I would have never got into it
>>16604370Yeah, for me it was the pandemic shutdown. Got tired of pandemic era NJPW. Watched AJPW for a bit (was hard to get into at the time). Bounced off of Noah for some reason (although I like it now). But Stardom clicked pretty quickly so that's what I know.Sure, maybe it's not as good as old joshi. But I do think it's some of the better wrestling being offered today without going too far off into the indies weeds.
Funny how we've got all this proof that these wrestlers can really go, yet people are complaining about Mayu vs AZM at Wrestle Kingdom despite them both being on the New Japan payroll (Stardom is a full subsidiary now) and are fighting for a New Japan belt created to draw attention to said subsidiary.Some people just make up their minds to hate a thing and that's that.
>>16603541I watch every showI've seen everything from 2011 on up though I really wish they would just do a once a week show that was focused more on some storylinesThey did it so much better with the prematch promos before the match and then subbed in ring promos afterthey really had it right from 2017 to 2020I dont know if Hatman was coming up with the storylines or it was the girls but go back to that.
>>16605911That's impressive devotion.I obviously don't know, but I imagine a lot of what they did came from themselves and they probably worked it out with Hatman. From what I've seen of the pre-match promos, they added a lot and, with the subbed ring stuff, it was all *chef's kiss*.I don't really like commentary in my matches anyway so I'd be glad if we just got the subtitles back. I guess that supposedly adds an expense they can't afford but it's not that hard to add subtitles into a video - I can do it (I add them to webms I make for around here on occasion) and I'm not even an AV guy.
Someone post the 80s Japan joshi pasta so we can move on.
>>16605948well I had time this was during the pandemic and I was off work for like 18 months so I had time to kill.So I binge watched a lot of Stardom.there isn't really much from the 2011-2016 years
Based joshi made me like wrestling again after dropping it for 10+ years
>>16607440While I doubt these threads had anything to do with that, it's a big part of the reason for them.Wrestling is in a dire situation. A lot of it right now is pretty crappy. Joshi is one of the few parts that is actually pretty good at the moment. Lots of performers who outperform the majority of their male counterparts and they're charismatic to boot.So we draw attention to it. Usually by posting sexy pics and whatnot. That's usually just to stoke interest. But a lot of the actual wrestling is good as well, or at least entertaining. It's as worth watching as anything else out there. This particular thread is meant to highlight the wrestling aspect.There is very watchable wrestling at the moment but most people aren't watching it and the loudest voices are shitting on it. Some of the responses in this thread here highlight that - >>16604744I used to never give women's wrestling the time of day, personally. Stardom changed that for me, and there's lots of good stuff outside Stardom as well. It's a shame so many people are too closed minded to give it an honest shot.We take a lot of shit for it but, really, if it introduces something that brings a bit of entertainment into someone's life then it's all worth it from my perspective. We won't convince the haters but there are always silent lurkers.
