Last year he drew on average around 5000 people per show.This year he drew avg 3500 per show.Next year it is predicted he will only draw around 2000 per show.Is he gonna do anything at all?
>>16589239He'll probably win his 4th KWABOTY next year
>>16589239nah it's over
>>16589239Tony will never turn AEW around. If he hired someone who actually knew how to run a wrestling show, then that would help, but it would be an uphill battle because they've already lost a lot of momentum. But at the very least, AEW 100% still has the potential to be a respectable #2 company in America with a great roster that can be profitable and have a good size loyal fanbase. They need to stop the bleeding, and Tony needs to find someone who can come up with storylines because he cannot.
>>16589239No, it's over. 'The feeling' was literally just debuts. He built hype around signing ex-WWE wrestlers and smark darlings to his new company, with the whole promotion peaking around the Daniel Bryan/CM Punk debuts. Once he'd done the big reveal, he had no fucking clue what to do with any of them, so needed another big debut to maintain the hype.Now, inevitably, there are no more big names to sign and people have had more than enough of Tony's booking. There's no way he can restore the feeling. He's done. It was fun while it lasted, but it's over for AEW.
>>16589239Tony Khan is a born loser, sadly, and he will never be good at anything. having a rich dad has let him delude himself into thinking that he's a football analytics guy because he played fantasy football and a wrestling booking genius because he played ewr and read the observer. he's no different from every other retarded smark manchild faggot that never accomplished anything on the internet other than his dad happened to be a billionaire. simple as.
>>16590326>'The feeling' was literally just debuts
Hahahaha no
>>16590343Harsh but fair
>>16589239No. And no, he's gonna keep running it as disorderly as he does now. There is no yearly, or half plan to know where they are trying to end up with everyone. Everything is reactionary, highest possible momentary dopamine chase like it's a videogame on Tony's production monitor: Loot crate signing reveals and returns with no follow ups. Unlock rare moment cinematic "x shaves hair", recreate classic moment with CAW achievement chase, a mouse coughs in the rafters and that's considered enough pop to irreversibly turn a heel face mid feud - the catchphrase shirts are in the printer before the show goes off air...etc. A failed UFC fighter once said he was tired and working with children when he was there. He wasn't just talking about the talent.
>>16590705>There is no yearly, or half plan to know where they are trying to end up with everyone. Everything is reactionary, highest possible momentary dopamine chase like it's a videogame on Tony's production monitor:Loot crate signing reveals and returns with no follow ups. They're building Darby Allin up to beat Moxley for the world title in a storyline which will take place over the course of nearly a year.
>>16590756No it won't, Darby will break an arm and be out before that
>>16590756The fact that Tony thinks a 120lb goth stereotype that wears black denim booty shorts over leggings will be a good world champion is still hysterical to me. And before any of you faggots go BUT MUH DUBYA DUBYA E, the smallest champ ever was Rey and he was still juiced out of his fucking mind at the time so he didn't look like a twink.
>>16590770>>16590774Okay. But none of that means AEW doesn't do long-term storytelling.
>>16590786I think he tries to, but then he gets an opportunity to sign a new shiny toy and he drops the ongoing storyline
>>16590793When was the last time this happened?
>>16590799The Elite taking over AEW was pretty bad. Then there was the devil thing but in fairness that was dropped due to an injury.
>>16590809>that was droppedWhat are you talking about? It's still going on.
>>16589239No that's why he's KWABOTY lmao
>>16590832No, it's not.
>mfw this thread is full of devastating home truths
>>16589239>Is he gonna do anything at all?NOand that's what's so funny about itprolly been shitting on Tony for 5 years now, but him not changing a single thing about how his failing business is run is kind of...respectable?
>>16590756Events involving the same people at scattered times does not make a long-term storyline.Darby gave up his title shot for no reason, when Bryan wrestled
>>16591213This is a mistake Tony makes constantly. He thinks that throwing a load of random shit together over the course of a really long time is great long-term storytelling.
>>16590786This isn't even remotely long term planning, this is gambling, and when it falls flat there's never a plan B. Hypotheticals and prediction aside, it's the same pattern everytime they do shit or something unexpected happened be it Punks injury, some backstage fights or segment falling flat on its face like the Wembley tape. That's just how it be
>>16590756this is smark headcanon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4xmgjS9R0A&t=190s&ab_channel=SchlomoNosengreensteinberg
>>16589239>Next year it is predicted he will only draw around 2000 per show.By whom
>>16591478aew's trend is a dramatic downwards plummet, anon. it's just simple math.
>>16589239He's the problem anon. He'd have to fire himself but ironically the smark WON awards made him immune to criticism in his mind so AEW is stuck with Tony's retarded book until his dad turns off the faucet of Warner threatens to pull the plug.
>>16591475Except it isn't. If Darby isn't the one being setup to beat Moxley, why has all of the following happened;>tried to save Danielson at Wrestledream>faced Claudio not once but twice in the space of six weeks>crashed his car into the Death Riders truck at Full Gear>cost Claudio a chance to advance in the C2 when he gave Komander the brass knucks>got beat up backstage by the Death Riders on the last Rampage
>>16590705It doesn’t get said enough how Tony doesn’t have any plans for these people he signs. They have this big debut then they get cycled into facing the job squad in 15 minute bangerinos on tv. >kyle fletcher>dante Martin>lee moriarty>kommanderThere’s a 95% chance a new hire will face one of these 4 and go 10+ minutes with them despite these guys losing almost every match
>>16590786There is no long term storytelling, per AlvarezHere is a post from Bryan on the Observer board:"Tony switched the script on Double or Nothing multiple times during the afternoon. Most people, not just the wrestlers, have no idea what they're doing until the day of the show, and sometimes not until an hour or so before the show. People are flown to towns and given nothing to do, others are begged the day before the show to please get to the town so they can do something last-minute. He knows what he wants to do for PPVs (although this often changes), but as far as week-to-week TV, everything is booked show-to-show. For most people he's incredibly difficult to get hold of. In some ways, it legitimately is more like 2019 WWE than it is 2019 AEW, where he was much easier to get hold of, he had very complex long-term storytelling, many people had a good idea of what they were doing and where things were going, and often most of the following week's entire Dynamite card was booked and announced before the previous week's Dynamite had even ended (remember when Excalibur would run down two dozen matches in 30 seconds for the following week?). It's night and day the changes, and people who work for the company, in all roles from the wrestlers to the office, talk about it ALL THE TIME."
>>16589239I think it's possible to fix Dynamite if they get a couple of decent angles going but I think Collision is fucking screwed. Even they've got momentum on their side, they just can't sell any fucking tickets for a Saturday show unless it's a PPV. The network might still want it but there just flatout isn't any demand from the audience for a second show anymore.
>>16589239Kek sad
>>16590312>If he hired someone who actually knew how to run a wrestling show, then that would helpWho?
>>16591593Yup. They all seem to end up in that twilight zone somehow and if they gonna have a feud it's because two people bumped heads in Njpw or some shit, it's not really established in their show or stuff that happens in it. Generalizing of course, there's the exceptions like MJF and even Jericho but the new big name signings always feel like they are left hanging midair once they were there and after few months they are having feuds out of thin air. Compare that to for example Seth and Punk which while it isn't rocket science is the feud AFTER the previous feud and simmering since Punk first returned. That's what is missing from a lot AEW talent who aren't geared to making themselves a story like MJF
>>16591464>Long-term planning isn't having a long-term plan, it's something else because I-I-I-I'm fucked in the head
>>16591464meanwhile the main event of WWE's biggest show of the year hasn't been planned out and will be decided based on how the Rock feels up to a month before the show.
>>16594032Your right I guess the writing is just better in WWE
>>16589239Why doesn’t Tony just tell his dad to buy WWE for him?
>>16594069Tony's building his own business, not being given it like Vince was. Vince went on to destroy the entire rest of the industry btw, whereas Tony's taking more of a rising tides approach
>>16594079>building his own business >solely off his dad’s credit cardTony never had a single job before his daddy bought him a CEO position.
>>16589239he needs to hire hog on the wheels and pay him for defending AEW online, the guy deserves it
>>16594079by killing Nujamal and the indies?
>>16594032You dummies just don't get it do you? Last I checked it was almost sold out without a single announced match.
>>16594097and yet he built a legitimate secondary wrestling promotion from the ground up, crazy>>16594102by saving them both actually
>>16594165>legitimate
>>16594184They just got more money from WBD than any non-WWE deal in history. Yeah, they're obviously the much smaller challenger brand but to say they're not legitimate is just console war brainrot.
>>16592689
>>16594165Dude AEW would have been bankrupt out of business 2 years ago if it wasn’t for Tony’s daddy continual money keeping it alive. You are utterly clueless.
>>16591593Kyle Fletcher is getting pushed to the moon right now. The other guys are still jobbers, that's true.
>>16594194you understand that most large businesses aren't profitable immediately, right? do you think AEW is being run in the same way as a shitty family owned hardware store.
>>16589239>Realistically will he ever be able to turn the company around?Nope. Tony will never be able to fix AEW because he'll never be able to understand what's wrong with it. Not only is there nothing he can realistically do to turn AEW around, there isn't even anything he can unrealistically do to turn AEW around. The tranny rodeo is genuinely dead.
>>16594358Not even Shane McMahon can help them now. Also, sidenote: the fact that the Elite bailed on Tony is preposterous - those faggots caused so many problems backstage and for what??
>>16594079>Tony is building his own businessNo he's not. He used his dad's money to create an infinite spending black whole. It's neither his (check who owns the trademarks) nor a business. It's a tard containment fed for tony and his assburgers
>>16594138>You dummies just don't get it do you?You're a retarded cultist, what am I missing?
>>16594309It's 5 years old anon, >it's not a startup company >it's never turned a profit >all it's metrics trend downIt's a money pit for a faggot
>>16594372It's hilarious how drones were gifted an off ramp to move on and actually get a life after the TV deal was complete. Nope! Seething about Tony Khan is literally their identity.
>>16594372imagine being so obsessed with WWE that you have to make up an entirely alternative universe in your head to cope, incredible
>>16594390>It's 5 years old anon,It took Amazon 10 years to turn a profit
>>16594390You're right, he took a competitor brand in an incredibly tough market to profitability in five short years. No wonder he just won Deal Maker of the Year!
>>16594401You're obsessed with WWE lmao. The post you're replying to didn't mention it at all but you just had to start talking about WWE out of nowhere, huh?
>>16594415It's a thread seething about Tony Khan. Why pretend?
>>16594415Vince also used his dad's money, you literally have no idea what you're talking about.
>>16589239Nigga going for the 4peat
>>16594405Amazon had it'd IPO in like 97 or 98, which meant it could operate at a loss. A Publicly traded company operating at a loss is vastly different than a privately owned money pit with all its metrics pointing down. >>16594401Cope more pinwheels, you know shad owns the company not your faggot cult leader
honestly i watch aew because wwe is a kids show. aew at least makes content for people who don’t shit in diapers.
>>16594414Tony has spent 5 years failing to compete with WWE. And with every passing year he only fails harder. It's now at a point where Dynamite is losing to NXT. The fact that Tony was able to carny WBD into paying for AEW's corpse, while impressive from a carny point of view, doesn't make AEW any less dead I'm afraid.
>>16594430uh oh we got another midwit pretending they know how businesses work
>>16594423>Vince used his dad's money to turn WWF into the most popular wrestling promotion in the world>Tony used his dad's money to lose to NXTKek seethe harder tranny
>>16594456>NXT is the best WWE brand and Shawn is the booker of the year>Also, it is embarrassing Uh. OK, champ.
>>16594431>bragging about watching a TV show that's rated for 14 year olds
>>16594191Kwab of the year and the runner up link upNeed it or keep it
>>16594470>Also, it is embarrassingCorrect. Having your flagship show get its ass kicked by your competition's wrestling school is very embarrassing indeed.
>>16594478Good morning SAR that is not what TV-14 means lmao
>>16594478had to Google this one because AEW is behind one of your mom's parental locks didn't ya LMAO
>>16594484>drawing a lower rating is kicking ass.afraid not
>>16594438>uh oh someone has a grasp on actual finance so I better oink and copeOink and cope then. You not knowing the difference between a private company and a PTC won't have any bearing on AEWs fortunes anyway. Ignorance won't save the terrible fate of AEW.
>>16594496ratings are about total viewers, not one demo. I made that clear last night
>>16594507sounds good midwit. two more weeks, right?
>>16594479Still Tony
AEW is just another feeder, some of the talent to get a paycheck or rub before they hit the actual big leagues, it's good enough exposure and even more so, seeing what the talent can do with shit sandwiches (which is constant). It's nice that there is another playground, howbeit, somewhat embarrassing. Some of those guys might never recover though? Ricky, Wardlow...
>>16589239It’s the second largest wrestling promotion on earth
>>16589239AEW was never meant to be good. It was always meant to kill whatever interest there was left in the business outside of WWE. Whose prospects have improved in AEW? Are the indies any better? Fuck no. Wrestling is demonstrably shittier than it was before AEW's creation.
>>16594522Two more weeks to what?They have already contracted by canceling rampage, attendance is in the shitter and as are ratings and any other metric. All elite can operate at a 20-40 million dollar loss for probably another 5 years, but if you wanted a real alternative to WWE that ship has sailed. It's a zombie fed that's only kept alive by its owners dad's money, the Terry Schiavo of wrestling companies; Braindead but hooked to a life support system that won't let it go to it's rightful place in the ground. Oink out anymore cope buzzphrases you want, the reality is AEW has failed and the only person who could could course correct is the person who steered it into its current nosedive.
>>16595435yep, two more short weeks and you'll finally stop being tormented when it dies, which is totally gonna happen this time FOR REAL
>>16591213>Darby gave up his title shot for no reasonThat's perfectly in character for Sting's protege thoughever
>>16595477Oink away, make up some imaginary arguement no one is making copewheels, the state of AEW in 2024 is >WCW 2000 levels of attendance>not profitable in year 5>has had to cancel shows to keep a Television deal>ran by an idiot who got a smark award twice and now can't be moved from the bookI don't have to wait two weeks for the failure AEW is today
>>16595590bro you're fucking seething lmaobtw you watch a PG show for children
>>16595612>Oink you're seething oink oinkYeah nothing makes me more upset than the wrestling show ran by a smark I hate failing at every turn. I am the big mad
>>16595732>a smark I hateYeah you're totally not upset. Anyways, go watch your PG show for kids, it'll help you calm down :)
>>16595477>when it diesAEW has been dead since 2023.
>>16595782I don't watch dynamite, it's trash for wheelchairs
Usually in pro wrestling once business starts going down it's honestly hard to right the ship. In my lifetime I've seen WWE do it like 3 different times, WCW did it once with the nWo and Goldberg push.
Maybe if he goes to rehab and his dad puts someone else other than Danielson in charge.But AEW is rotten to the core, they'll basically need a whole new roster, even the handful of guys who are TV ready are use to only working twice a month, you aren't going to get rid of that level of entitlement over night.
>>16595847And then he stopped replying kek
>>16596411Sorry, didn't see the new copeAEW isn't a PG show for kids, though
>>16589239>bring in vince>vince goes right back into this doo rag "sup nigga" gimmick>dimes firing like bullets at vietnamese kids in '65book it you fucking paki.
>>16596434>AEW isn't a show for kidsNo child should be subjected to the tranny rodeo that is aew, unfortunately they are marketing toys to children. And if you oink back >that toy troon is actually marketed for adultsthat's bad too ;)
>>16589239What has he done in the last 5 years to make you think he could turn things around?
>>16597515it's not a show for kids, similar to how the attitude era wasn't designed for kids even though they sold toys for adult austistics like you back then as well. no amount of funko pops or whatever other gay things you buy will change the fact you're watching a PG show designed for children.
>>16597787>AEW's tranny dolls are for the autistic adults that make up our ever shrinking audienceThat's bad too
>>16597787>the attitude Era wasn't designed for childrenNow that's cope lolhttps://youtu.be/P-ZrR5uV9Vw?si=OqBJw498BGJF-yK-Honestly only a person stupid enough to eat themselves into a wheelchair would say that
>>16594423>He used his dad's money by buying the company off from his father with his own money and loans This is some creative rewriting of history.
>>16598588It was a different time. MTV and Nickelodean were only a few channels away and shared a lot of the same programming and advertising. There was more crossover demographically than today even if the show was technically for adults.
Should do more gimmick matches with blood and just be more edgy and different. The whole wwe lite shit sucks
>>16598807That's an advertisement for super soakers by 98 post mania DX. That's for children copefaggot.
>>16589239i personally don't watch AEW but don't hate it either and hope they can turn it around.there needs to be a viable western competitor to the fed or else they'll get complacent and lazy. historically, the product was at its worst during the early 90's and the mid-late 2010's, when there was no fire under their ass from another company.i hope tony and his infinite bag can keep them on their toes.
>>16599898They are already tna 2.0
>>16599907what does that make 2025 TNA then
>>16598771That damn Linda McMahon rewriting history>After finally meeting his father when he was twelve-years old, Vince started his career in the wrestling business as a commentator and ring announcer for matches. He did not inherit the WWE from his father, but instead bought it from him in 1982, using money generated from the company to pay, in what Vince’s wife Linda phrases as “robbing Peter to pay Paul”
>>16599915Future AEW
This thread actually ended up having some pretty even-handed criticism. Inevitably Wheels showed up at one point and had to be rolled back down the hill. For the most part though it explains why Tony isn't going to be able to fix things on his own.
>>16600946Tony is the problem, he's also the moneyman so the product is fucked.
>>16599922So he swindled his father with his own companies money, I stand corrected. Still isn't the same as getting your dad to fork the bill so you can out bid on Ospreaym
>>16600946>pigs squealing about tony khan for two straight daysyeah real groundbreaking discussion going on itt
>>16601423>making fun of my smark faggot God made me madeOink go the wheels, wheels go oink
>>16601430BVLLvert got ya bubblin Ranjesh?
>>16601434You're calling yourself BVLLVert? Like you're a bull? You can't even walk brother?
>>16589239>2000 a show in 2025Jesus christ the AEW 2000 is just like WCW 2000
>WWE Drone circlejerking threadlol, on new year’s eve? kinda pathetic..
>>16601491BVLLvert board i'm afraid
is it true tony khan is paying jim valley's medical bills?
>>16601597But you can't even walk and you watch a show for children
>>16601620>A-A-AEW is t-the show for c-c-c-childrenman who could have seen this one coming
>>16601639Yup AEW is a children's show
