AEW is literally just matches, literally why the fuck would you watch fake fights with no story attached, Wrestling is like a TV Show, not a sport, AEW fans are truly a disgrace, the Internet Wrestling Community would truly be better off without them
>>16759778ok zoomer
>>16759778Everyone agrees with this and has been saying it.
>>16759778>AEW is literally just matches>15 min in ring promo segment between Jarrett & MJF last nightJust like your precious Attitude era.
>>16759784>ok zoomer
>>16759778Wrestling was a bigger draw when companies focused more on matches, WWE included.
>>16759792Except in the attitude era there would be a reason to bring up owen hart
>>16759792>15 minute promo to explain how hes gonna beat up a 57 fucking year old
>>16759793No, that's (You).You can't refute my point so, rather than engage it like a man, you use the feminine tactic of using greentext with a selfie picrel like a little bitch.Sad.
>>16759796the actual wrestling is supposed to take place on the PPVs, theres a reason WWE doesn't have their talent risk injury doing dumb shit on TV, but Tony and the Smarks wouldnt understand that
>>16759778>gymnastics routine between two guys>gymnastics routine between two women>gymnastics routine between two wrestlers, but with weaponsthere's also zero variety to the match style, which is a bigger problem
>>16759796but that's 100% false, there was very little wrestling during the AE
>>16759815NWO-era WCW/Attitude Era/Ruthless Aggression eras would like a word with you.You can have decent matches on TV with PPV pay offs. That's the formula that worked best.
>>16759828Did you even watch? They had tons of matches.WCW was mostly matches. Again, the point isn't that you don't need story, it's that most people tuned into wrestling to see dudes fighting, not talking.They want fighting with a context.
>>16759821We dont even get gymnastics out of the women, we usually get a sloppy chunky botchfest
>>16759830>NWO-era WCW/Attitude Era/Ruthless Aggression eras would like a word with you.they literally relied on story too you indentured dumbass, yeah sure occasionally there was a good match on TV, dont act like AEW is anywhere close to the stuff they were doing during the Monday Night Wars
>>16759836I don't watch AEW. It's shit and does it poorly.WCW at its best was the epitome of pro-wrestling. You can do stories and regular wrestling. WWE does little wrestling. AEW does little story (and little wrestling -- acrobatics aren't wrestling). This is why they both suck.
>>16759778>you can't tell your story during the entrance or in the ring during the matchI can't tell if this is the promotions fault or zoomer marks that can't understand shit
>>16759849>durr in-ring stories durrrexplain how a german suplex tells me a story fatass, you literally cant, im not denying having good matches is important, but you need to explain beforehand why they are going so hard this banger main event, its literally THAT simple yet AEW cannot follow that.
>>16759849Exactly this.Matches can further stories. You traditionally advanced stories with tags and multi-man matches and *some* promos.This whole "everyone stands around talking at each other until the ppv" thing is a development of the past 20 years and it sucks. It's why people just started tuning out.
>>16759858That's a gross oversimplification of what that poster was saying.Watch Austin vs Hart. There's a story being told in the ring there. All good matches tell a story. The fact that you younger viewers don't get that is a function of the fact that you haven't watched much good wrestling.Again, not defending AEW because it's shit at telling stories in the ring too.
>>16759871>Watch Austin vs Hart.yes it was a good match, but dont act as if there wasnt 4 months or so of build-up with Bret building to his massive heel-turn and Stone Cold becoming the badass anti-hero
>>16759833you are talking out of your ass, zoomie
This upset em
>>16759879You've proven my point dipshit.That's way more matches than your average modern day Raw.And that was all within 2-hours.
>>16759888>30 minutes of wrestling is a lot
AEW would be significantly better if they didn’t let their wrestlers talk or try and fail to do angles.
>>16759796This. Storylines and angles are for when you’re struggling. The marks should just want to see the faces beat the heels regardless if they’ve shot some kind of phony storyline beforehand.
>>16759911You need to factor in the fact that those matches had entrances and post-match stuff that happened with them.No one is arguing that they need to be putting on bangers. But there was a lot of story telling going on with all those matches, even if it was as simple as Guy X is a badass who kicks the crap out of people.People would rather see that than bad actors poorly reciting lines.The fact that you think modern Raw is comparable to old Raw tells me you haven't watched much of the latter. As WWE started moving in that direction, more and more people started tuning out and that's a simple fucking fact.
>>16759960>>16759810>>16759796>>16759833Wrestling is FAKE nigga take the wrestling fig out of your ass already
>>16759858>zoomers can't tell how body language, pacing and working your gimmick in ring can portray a face/heel storyGirm
>>16760007Okay; now explain to me why wrestling isn't as popular as it was when it, you know, focused more on telling stories in a match-related context. You know, pre-match, match, and post match.Wrestling *should* tell stories. But AEW's problem isn't that it's too match-focused -- it's that it tells shitty stories that don't get anyone over. It's not the format, it's literally the booking.Having 7 or 8 really short matches is a lot better than 4 or 5 drawn out boring ones. They don't need to be PPV quality. But at the end of the day what people really want to see is people pretending to fight, not people talking.The talking only works as a pretext to the fighting. And slowdripping a bunch of talking over several months to reach a match gets really dull for most people when you could have had some simple in-ring beatdowns during that time instead.
>>16759778Yeah AEW you can just watch the PPV matches and skip everything elseWWE is actually worth watching every week
promos and vignettes are the yellow paint of wresting for the modern audience
>>16760151Cause back then people thought wrestling was real until the steroid trial literally forced them to admit it’s fake. Now the only in ring action people care about is when people use weapons
>>16759802>Jeff Jarret
>>16760228We all knew it was fake back then.I remember my classmates telling me it was fake back when I was a kid in the 80s.The Madison Square Garden Incident happened in 1996. Wrestling's best years happened after that.
>>16759815Current wwe ppvs matches are fucking trash. Only one talked about is drew vs punk which was diet Hangman vs Swerve. When has wwe ever had something like All In to All Out 2024 in terms of match quality, tone, and remembrance?
>>16759845WCW has nwo segments during said matches.
>>16759792>15 min in ring promo segment between Jarrett & MJF last nightChrist no wonder nobody watches anymore
>>16760253I've got no problem with segments and angles and whatnot. You have to have them. And a good promo done right is great.I guess I just don't like watching a show where it feels like the segments and promos are the point, if that makes sense. The balance felt better back in the old days.
>>16759778BASED
>>16760333Based on what?
>>16760345Owning the libs
>>16759778Matches are the main appeal of pro wrestling>BUT THE STORY!You’re conflating characters people like with good stories. There’s a nuance to it, they’re not bad but wrestling is at most well told basics. The most over feud in the history of the business was a rebel beating up his boss.
>>16760509This is well said.One could look at the different ways you could tell that story. The classic way is that the rebel has a bunch of matches that are unfairly rigged against him. Constant interference trying to cost him the match. And in turn he interferes in shit just to fuck things up, including in the boss's cronies matches. He actively screws with the boss's plans in unexpected ways. You use smaller matches as a storytelling platform to tell the bigger story. This is match-based storytelling.The way it feels modern WWE would tell the story is that said rebel comes out. He cuts a promo. The boss comes out and cuts a promo back. Repeat the next week. The week after that, have them trade words again, maybe someone gets put through the announce table. Repeat the following week. Week after that someone gets ambushed backstage. There's match interference, but it happens at the PPV. TV matches rarely have the illusion of actually mattering like they did back then.I'm oversimplifying and perhaps not paying quite enough credit to modern WWE but that's how it often feels. Good storytelling involves showing, not telling. People talking at each other can have value but when it becomes the bulk of things it sort of just feels lazy.
