Was he better than Omega and Ospreay at his prime?
>>16761069As good as Omega, both better than Ospreay.
>>16761069Better than Omega objectively because he carried a blow sex doll to a 5 star match while Kenny did gay video game spots. Ospreay isnt even in Ibussys conversation.
>>16761201You've got that backwards.Yoshihiko carried that fucking match and I'm tired of Ibushi getting all the goddamn credit.
>>16761069He was better than Okada and everyone else excluding Naito in their primes. He was on a surefire trajectory to become one of puro's GOATs and gave it all away over retardation. Sad.
>>16761899He could've surpassed Naito too if he kept on doing what he was doing.
Absolutely He livea 25 hour days after all
why does he have the MITB
>>16761069No.Ibushi always had the athleticism and the look and a lot of physical charisma but his retardation absolutely killed his promo ability and he was never particularly good at selling, or putting wrestling matches together.All of his great matches are definitely piloted by the great opponent he is facing at the time.He's just a guy who performs spots very well, or used to anyway, but he never had any psychology and would fall into the same routine at the end of every match without nuance (he'd get his leg worked an entire match and then just ignore it for 5 minutes straight at the end of the match).Kenny's selling can be goofy at times, and he can act like a geek, but he has much better psychology, much better match layout/agenting, and a much better sense of what pro wrestling should be and should look like than Ibushi.But if Ibushi's opponent knew what he was doing, he was capable of having good matches.
I liked him more. Kenny was barely a blip on the radar and Osprey was still shitting in his nappy. But as much as it pains me to admit, I was a movez fan. So someone who kicks like KENTA but still does flips, that's was my shit. Eventually I watched 2 years of dragon gate and could no longer be satiated on movez alone.Osprey is probably the best of them, he can talk ok, and he's really cut back on his stupid fucking facial expressions, which you can't say about Kenny. If Osprey ever gets the confidence to have matches with that don't just revolve around "can you believe we kicked out of all that stuff?" It's over for those hoes.
>>16761069he probably doesn't even remember most of his matches
>>16762477nah Omega and Ibushi, with the right guy, always made masterpieces. Assplay has rarely wrestled great matches.
>>16761069if he just rehabbed that fucking shoulder injury..seeing him at NOAH and then in AEW was depressing
>>16761069Omega was overall better but I think when Ibushi had the exact right guy to contrast with him (like Nakamura at WK or Tana in the G1 Finals) you could really argue that Ibushi peaked higherBoth are vastly better than Ospreay who is shit
>>16762256great postola
>>16761069He was the perfect guy to be in the Nak/Naito role as IC champ. He can't talk, and none of his best work came with him as the focal point of the program/match. Against Jay may be the exception, but I credit Jay's heel work more than Ibushi being a compelling babyface.Omega>Ibushi>Ospreay
>>16762860He was a lot more compelling when he was younger, his match against Nakamura, etc, when the whole Dark Ibushi gimmick was fresh.But once you had seen him wrestle enough, you recognized his matches were very formulaic. And if you're going to have formulaic matches, you need to be really good at things like putting matches together, psychology, and selling, and those are all weak points for Ibushi.
>>16762885Exactly. Okada has a formula, but he's better than Ibushi in all things you listed. Hence why he could be the ace
>>16761069No. Couldn't sell.
